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[Q] Noob question about LTE/4G

I'm thinking about getting this phone for my wife and I was just wondering if it will only be HSPA+ or will it support AT&T LTE whenever it comes out? Thanks.

It is HSPA+ not LTE phones by ATT yet seeing as there is not enough coverage i guess but HSPA works GREAT super fast speeds

malicenfz said:
I'm thinking about getting this phone for my wife and I was just wondering if it will only be HSPA+ or will it support AT&T LTE whenever it comes out? Thanks.
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Nope, that's a hardware requirement.
I am pretty sure you need a different radio (hardware) for LTE.

Papi4baby said:
Nope, that's a hardware requirement.
I am pretty sure you need a different radio (hardware) for LTE.
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by the time att gets lte nationwide the phone will be obsolete. if you are thinking verizon instead, well there data in many areas is not even worth having. my friend has a thunderbolt and gets 20 mbps in manhatten, but at home in orange county he is lucky to get 500kbps at times. i get 5-6 mbps anywhere. which one is better? you tell me.

Hmm well this is for my wife I just want to mess with it for a while I don't have upgrade anyways haha I'm waiting until the Galaxy S2

Papi4baby said:
Nope, that's a hardware requirement.
I am pretty sure you need a different radio (hardware) for LTE.
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Given that they're relatively recent too, probably very heavy on the battery. Takes time to get the modem optimized... Phone manufacturers are still trying to get 3g modems' usage right. I still go on 2G EDGE or turn off data for the most part to get more juice.

AT&T LTE Network Going Live This Sunday

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/att_lte_network_going_live_sunday
The cities included in this initial wave are Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, Houston and San Antonio. Although users in those metro areas will still have very few LTE devices to choose from. Unlike Verizon, which has multiple LTE handsets, AT&T has no phones compatible with the new network. AT&T launched a data stick and a portable hotspot for the LTE network last month. The carrier has also started selling a massively overpriced Android tablet, the HTC Jetstream.

sweet im in San Antonio for a little while, now for AT&T to get some phones for me to use !!!

Now if they could hurry up and increase the HSPA+ speeds. I'm still only getting 3.5mb download and 1mb upload in downtown Dallas.... iPhone 3gs gets about the same download speed, although only half of the upload speed.

Come to the other side of the Metroplex. Downtown Fort Worth and I am getting 5-7mb down, 1.1-1.3 up. I can't wait for the Holiday with LTE. That will be SO sweet.

id10terrordfw said:
Come to the other side of the Metroplex. Downtown Fort Worth and I am getting 5-7mb down, 1.1-1.3 up. I can't wait for the Holiday with LTE. That will be SO sweet.
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X's dos my brotha from anotha motha.
Saved and Texan by the grace of God, Redneck by choice.

I know the Inspire is not a LTE phone, but just launching the network upgrade has helped me to see vastly improved data speeds. I also know the Speed test app is not accurate, but I have never seen it pull these kind of speeds, especially consistently.

Well, I would like if it came out in Madison soon... (and when AT&T has more LTE Android phones)

Ok I live an hour away from Houston. Do you think I would still be getting LTE? Also do we need a new sim card or anything or does it automaticly happends?
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codyperez86 said:
Ok I live an hour away from Houston. Do you think I would still be getting LTE? Also do we need a new sim card or anything or does it automaticly happends?
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first of all you would need an LTE capable phone....the inspire is not

codyperez86 said:
Ok I live an hour away from Houston. Do you think I would still be getting LTE? Also do we need a new sim card or anything or does it automaticly happends?
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As mentioned, you would need a LTE phone first. But, being an hour away from Houston, I wouldn't run out and buy one when they become available. I live in the outskirt of Houston and HSPA+ is non existent at home. In Houston where I work, as posted, I am just now seeing the true benefit of HSPA+. Probably some bottlenecks from ongoing upgrades being freed up, maybe a little congestion as well.
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Knowing how AT&T operates, I'd imagine they opened up more bandwidth to the land-based lines to the area first to make sure their LTE debut went well and you're just seeing some of that extra bandwidth.

fernandezhjr said:
I know the Inspire is not a LTE phone, but just launching the network upgrade has helped me to see vastly improved data speeds. I also know the Speed test app is not accurate, but I have never seen it pull these kind of speeds, especially consistently.
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Turn off your wifi, Comcast customer.
"at&t 4G? lol. It's more like 0.4G"

knarfl1 said:
Turn off your wifi, Comcast customer.
"at&t 4G? lol. It's more like 0.4G"
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I'm not as stupid as you. I know when I'm on wifi. Here is the proof.

Here are some from earlier today. The first two were indoors, a large metal building with offices above on the second floor. The first run was bad, only 2800kbps, but I did hit 4916kbps on the second. I then went outdoors and tested a lil slower than yesterday, but not by much, 6485-7767kbps. I know we can't put too much stock in the Speed Test app, but there is some consistency and I'm getting much higher runs than I had been. Also, it seems to be reading my wifi at home with some accuracy.

fernandezhjr said:
I'm not as stupid as you. I know when I'm on wifi. Here is the proof.
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lol.
Then why do you make statements like LTE network is improving the throughout of a HSPA+ phone on the 3G stack?
"at&t 4G? lol. It's more like 0.4G"

knarfl1 said:
lol.
Then why do you make statements like LTE network is improving the throughout of a HSPA+ phone on the 3G stack?
"at&t 4G? lol. It's more like 0.4G"
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Show me where I made that statement. I stated that since the LTE launch, my data speeds have suddenly increased and I'm finally seeing true hspa+, and that is a fact. I provided a couple of possible reasons for this, as someone else cited a possibility as well. I know what you saw. You saw the hosted by Comcast in the screenshot. Lol. Anybody with half a brain would know that there would have been a wifi icon in the status bar if I was on wifi. Next time you open your mouth, try not to put your foot in it. Your little signature says it all. Just because you are in a crummy area, doesn't mean it is like that everywheres.
Check my screenshot of prior tests and tell me if you see any improvement compared to yesterday and today. LOL.
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Peace my friends peace
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trell959 said:
Peace my friends peace
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I'm good. I just don't appreciate someone implying I'm either stupid or I'm a liar. It certainly isn't inconceivable that while AT&T was building the LTE network here in Houston, they were improving the backhaul for hspa+. Whatever the source of the improvement, I'm thrilled to see true hspa+ speeds. It is something I never expected to see with my Inspire.
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The cities included in this initial wave are Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, Houston and San Antonio. Although users in those metro areas will still have very few LTE devices to choose from. Unlike Verizon, which has multiple LTE handsets, AT&T has no phones compatible with the new network. AT&T launched a data stick and a portable hotspot for the LTE network last month. The carrier has also started selling a massively overpriced Android tablet, the HTC Jetstream.[/QUOTE]
No westcoast cities in the works??

They finally turned on hspa+ in okc ok I'm seeing 7-9 dl constanly ul still around 1 but better signal to at my use to get 10- 30 percent now 70 -95 crazy how just one day they just flipped it on finaly I use to leave my phone on edge as o could surf internet faster that way not anymore
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AT&T did it again, no way to turn off 4G LTE?

Looks like ATampT is becoming notorious for not including any 3G or 4G toggles. Not only can customers not turn off 3G in spotty 3G areas but now they can't turn off 4G LTE????!!!! Does AT&T not realize that someone who is in a spotty 4G LTE area will have their phone die twice as quick? I don't understand for the life in me why they don't give the customer the option to choose which network they want to be on?
I know I have the option to turn off cellular data but then I have no data whatsoever. If my phone sits in the drawer at work most of the day why can't it be forced to EDGE??? I know for a fact AT&T has an EDGE network to fall back on out here.
They allow iPhone 3GS and 4 owners to toggle 3G but not the 4S which is HSPA+. Now they don't allow you to turn off 4G LTE unless you root. WOW!!!

Honestly, they could care less about the battery life, but they do want you to use more data so they make more money. The faster the connection, the easier it would be to exceed your limit without realizing until its too late, or you may upgrade your data package because its faster. Either way is a win win for AT&T which means more money.

americasteam said:
Honestly, they could care less about the battery life, but they do want you to use more data so they make more money. The faster the connection, the easier it would be to exceed your limit without realizing until its too late, or you may upgrade your data package because its faster. Either way is a win win for AT&T which means more money.
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Wow I never thought of that. I have unlimited but I guess the faster the connection the faster I can be throttled. Boy do I wish there was a good cell phone company in America that actually gave a sh*t about their customers.

Hopefully I will be able to add the toggles in on my rom.
another idea, make another APN without the info for LTE.

designgears said:
Hopefully I will be able to add the toggles in on my rom.
another idea, make another APN without the info for LTE.
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was just coming in here to ask if installing a custom rom would allow AT&T users to toggle edge/3g/hspa/lte . that would be REALLY nice!

Genetic517 said:
was just coming in here to ask if installing a custom rom would allow AT&T users to toggle edge/3g/hspa/lte . that would be REALLY nice!
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Yes, there are many roms for the Samsung SkyRocket that allow such toggles. Its a setting with the modem radio.

MattMJB0188 said:
Yes, there are many roms for the Samsung SkyRocket that allow such toggles. Its a setting with the modem radio.
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would there be any way of using these toggles without using another rom?

Genetic517 said:
would there be any way of using these toggles without using another rom?
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No, hence my frustration. Yea I like rooting but I'm pretty new to it and we shouldn't have to do it to gain this functionality.

Genetic517 said:
would there be any way of using these toggles without using another rom?
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yes, but may need a modded kernel, root for sure. there are apps that shut off lte and 3g but require root. like DD said, try changing the apn.

It's also because they want to alleviate their load on the towers. All the people on 4g LTE are not on 3g, they don't care if it kills your battery because the signal is spotty.

does this mean even after sim unlock. i wouldnt be able to use this phone overseas and have 3g working?

Can you not change it under *#*#4636#*#* under phone info and scroll to preferred network type.

someone posted the answer to this question in another thread.
The LTE is integrated. So it just looks for the best available network. If you dont have lte, then it will connect you to 3g or hspa+.

MattMJB0188 said:
Looks like ATampT is becoming notorious for not including any 3G or 4G toggles. Not only can customers not turn off 3G in spotty 3G areas but now they can't turn off 4G LTE????!!!! Does AT&T not realize that someone who is in a spotty 4G LTE area will have their phone die twice as quick? I don't understand for the life in me why they don't give the customer the option to choose which network they want to be on?
I know I have the option to turn off cellular data but then I have no data whatsoever. If my phone sits in the drawer at work most of the day why can't it be forced to EDGE??? I know for a fact AT&T has an EDGE network to fall back on out here.
They allow iPhone 3GS and 4 owners to toggle 3G but not the 4S which is HSPA+. Now they don't allow you to turn off 4G LTE unless you root. WOW!!!
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I don't get it; if you don;t want LTE why not just buy the international One X and have 32gig as well?

alwayslearning said:
I don't get it; if you don;t want LTE why not just buy the international One X and have 32gig as well?
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I don't want to pay $600+ for a phone. I'm going to be on AT&T for at least 2 years so I might as well get a subsidized phone.
zivan56 said:
Can you not change it under *#*#4636#*#* under phone info and scroll to preferred network type.
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Nope. Selecting any option that is not LTE it just bounces back to the "GSM/WCDMA/LTE Auto" option. Heck, even selecting "LTE only" bounces back to the default.
expertzero1 said:
someone posted the answer to this question in another thread.
The LTE is integrated. So it just looks for the best available network. If you dont have lte, then it will connect you to 3g or hspa+.
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This was speculation on the part of that poster. See my response in that thread.

I remember this was also an issue on the Vivid. Toggle widgets don't work, the *#*#4636#*#* code doesn't work.
Try changing the APN to turn off LTE:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19170113
Not a convenient toggle. But once you have the second APN setup, it wouldn't be too much of a pain to switch back and forth APNs (if it does work).

Also for the majority of the US, it doesn't even matter because AT&T LTE coverage is pretty minimal in its current form.

It even shocks me because ...
I'm quite surprised that AT&T does not allow you to turn off LTE.
My Rogers unit specifically allows this, so it's very strange to me.
Peter

I mentioned earlier it killing your battery, but considering the LTE is built in, there's no reason to really worry.

therulebookman said:
This was speculation on the part of that poster. See my response in that thread.
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speculation sounds about right
you posted that you got 13 hours with your phone. Sounds about right. 1.5 hours of talk time with mild usuage. Not sure if you had data on or off during those times. So.....
DING DING DING we have a winner

AT&T: Worst thing about not being able to turn LTE off

I was at the AT&T store playing with the One X yesterday. I had read the complaints about not being able to turn LTE off, mainly centered around battery concerns. Well, I think there is a much bigger concern.
AT&T's LTE network is obviously spotty in most places. It's supposedly pretty robust here in the DC area. Well, the phone I was playing with was constantly switching between LTE and HSPA. And guess what? Every time it switched, it lost its data connection for a good 30+ seconds. So since it was switching back and forth constantly, it would lose data connection for several minutes at a time before it would finally stabilize on either LTE or HSPA for a few minutes. Then it would start switching back and forth again, thereby losing data yet again.
It took me about 10 minutes just to download the SpeedTest app from the market. And then, I could not even get a single speedtest to complete running because it never stabilized on a connection for long enough to complete the test. Web pages wouldn't load. Youtube wouldn't load. Basically rendered the phone useless.
So yeah, battery concerns are there, but they are minor compared to this. If you are in an area with weak LTE, but you do not have the ability to turn LTE off, you might essentially find yourself with no data connection whatsoever as your phone bounces back and forth between LTE and HSPA. I imagine that would be a deal breaker for most people.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that my house and my office both get either strong enough LTE signals to avoid this, or, alternatively, that they get no LTE signal at all so that it just stays on HSPA.
Battery concerns aside, this is why AT&T needs to give us the option to turn LTE off.

No LTE in my area for a while, which is strange because I live near two big cities and neither of them have LTE yet, for that matter no city in TN has LTE yet

I believe you can technically turn the lte off by selecting "hspa only" in mobile network settings.
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pakalrtb said:
I believe you can technically turn the lte off by selecting "hspa only" in mobile network settings.
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From what I've read, you can do this on the Rogers version, but not on the AT&T one.

In the future I can almost guarantee that there will be an option to turn it off and on as you wish. Most likely will require root but, if you aren't going to root it what are you doing here anyways haha

Well for what its worth, A quick flash of a rogers ROM and we are good to go ;-). Not that we should have to, but we shouldn't be kept from doing as we wish with out device. I am sure I will be flashing within the first hour of a released ROM.

Nope they disable it on all their phones. They don't want the customer selecting their network. They can charge more for data on LTE as its faster and you'll use more quickly.
They also don't want us to be able to force EDGE. Totally ridiculous.
I'm referring to the settings under mobile networks
GSM Only
GSM/HSPA ONLY
GSM/HSPA auto
GSM/HSPA/LTE
HSPA only

MattMJB0188 said:
Nope they disable it on all their phones. They don't want the customer selecting their network. They can charge more for data on LTE as its faster and you'll use more quickly.
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Not for those of us on unlimited data! Their plan backfires.
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They also don't want us to be able to force EDGE. Totally ridiculous.
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I might be misremembering an old article, but from what I've read, they're actually starting to repurpose/shut down EDGE towers in cities with a lot of 3G/4G coverage. A good reason to keep us from selecting EDGE only.
I just want them to turn on LTE in Philly.

If the next iPhone (which will have LTE I believe) didn't have a feature where you can disable LTE, then people would go crazy. It's really a shame that the Rogers model allows you to do so but the AT&T model does not. It's not a big deal to me, but certainly I think the consumer should always have that option.

I am one of the lucky ones to still have unlimited on AT&T but there can't be that many of us left where it would affect things.
Pick up an AT&T iPhone 3GS or iPhone 4 and you have an option to turn off 3G. And yes people would go nuts if the next iPhone didn't have an option to turn off LTE.
I hope they don't do away with EDGE. First thing I'd say is, why at home do I get 3 bars of 3G and then if I can switch to EDGE I get a full signal? Call quality isn't broken up like it is on 3G. I'd also like the option to switch my device to EDGE while I'm at work all day to save battery life. EDGE serves a very good purpose for me still.
I think more people need to start calling AT&T technical support and complaining about this. I guess its possible the next update could have this feature.
What good is LTE when its draining my phone sitting in a desk drawer all day?

I remember reading that by "getting rid of EDGE" ATT is actually upgrading those towers to 3G. So, yeah, you lose EDGE, but it gets replaced by better 3G coverage.
Although I entirely agree that not being able to toggle LTE is rediculous.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-12261_...-phones-will-be-thinner-more-efficient-scoop/
I'll just leave this here...
Just because Verizon rushed out LTE phones before the tech was ready which resulted in terrible battery life, doesn't mean AT&T did the same thing.

brandontrout said:
I remember reading that by "getting rid of EDGE" ATT is actually upgrading those towers to 3G. So, yeah, you lose EDGE, but it gets replaced by better 3G coverage.
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Is that even possible? I thought EDGE is still used for voice, and the reason that we can browse and use voice at the same time (like AT&T always advertises). I'm no expert by any means. But I don't think they can get rid of the EDGE towers, until they do something like move completely to 3G for voice, and LTE for all data (which obviously would not happen for a long time).
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If spotty LTE coverage indeed proves to be a problem on the One X, you can try manually enter a new APN to force the phone to HSPA+. I read it worked on the Vivid.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25340058&postcount=16

cant we turn off mobile network all together?
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zonk7ate9 said:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-12261_...-phones-will-be-thinner-more-efficient-scoop/
I'll just leave this here...
Just because Verizon rushed out LTE phones before the tech was ready which resulted in terrible battery life, doesn't mean AT&T did the same thing.
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Did you even read the original post? It really had nothing to do with battery life, which is a minor concern compared to what I described.

tian105 said:
cant we turn off mobile network all together?
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Only a solution if you have WiFi access. This would have no impact on the situation the OP is talking about: spotty LTE coverage causing data connection to be dropped.
Also defeats the purpose of having an LTE phone.

redpoint73 said:
Is that even possible? I thought EDGE is still used for voice, and the reason that we can browse and use voice at the same time (like AT&T always advertises). I'm no expert by any means. But I don't think they can get rid of the EDGE towers, until they do something like move completely to 3G for voice, and LTE for all data (which obviously would not happen for a long time).
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If spotty LTE coverage indeed proves to be a problem on the One X, you can try manually enter a new APN to force the phone to HSPA+. I read it worked on the Vivid.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25340058&postcount=16
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Both GSM and UMTS support circuit switched voice calls. Only LTE does not, as there is not yet a standard defined for voice over LTE...so as long as there is a 2G or 3G network for circuit switched fallback, it will work.
Data is independent of voice in all GSM derived networks, unlike CDMA.

Your data connection does not reflect call quality.
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You know, the current iPhone doesn't give you an option to force EDGE
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mosesman86 said:
You know, the current iPhone doesn't give you an option to force EDGE
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No, but why do the 3GS and 4 allow it?

Apparently the PQ supports simultaneous CDMA voice and Data

I download the Google offiine maps for the cities I go as on previous CDMA phones we can't get simultaneous voice and data. However, I'd noticed on a call the other day that I was getting data updates (as indicated by the arrows) as I was driving around.
I was locked into CDMA-only to save battery (we have some unannounced LTE coverage here in Silicon Valley, but in very limited areas) so I guess this means this chipset supports the simultaneous Voice/Data Revision of CDMA (then again, my CDMA is showing up as eHRPD in this market, so maybe it's a remnant of the ongoing LTE transition?).

I am in Rochester, NY....no NV here at all and I do get 3G while talking (EvDo-rev.A:8)...This phone supports SVDO which is what gives you V+D...please feel free to correct me but this is what I have understood.

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This phone supports SVDO
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Ah, thank you.
I really liked my PQ stock- it was lag-free and solid- but now that it's been rooted and I see little things like this, I'm so over not having an (easily-)replaceable battery nor a useful GSM radio. Excellent handset.

This is a nice little bonus feature on some CDMA handsets with Qualcomm SoCs and radios. Qualcomm licenses the CDMA 2000 standard so they maintain exclusivity on stuff like this and the Evo LTE's HD Voice.
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On all the LTE devices we carry including the lg viper , gs3, EVOLTE, and the g-nex we can use voice + data

BigRitz said:
On all the LTE devices we carry including the lg viper , gs3, EVOLTE, and the g-nex we can use voice + data
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Yea, that's assuming you're ON LTE.
This thread is discussing whether or not it works across EVDO/CDMA, which evidently it does... I'm curious as well, will test today. Sprint doesn't have any plans to put LTE in my city (or state) yet Puerto Rico is evidently getting the entire island covered this year.... Sigh.
Edit - I was NOT on wifi, and I was still able to transfer data over 3g while on a call. Very cool!!

arrrghhh said:
Yea, that's assuming you're ON LTE.
This thread is discussing whether or not it works across EVDO/CDMA, which evidently it does... I'm curious as well, will test today. Sprint doesn't have any plans to put LTE in my city (or state) yet Puerto Rico is evidently getting the entire island covered this year.... Sigh.
Edit - I was NOT on wifi, and I was still able to transfer data over 3g while on a call. Very cool!!
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Welcome to the club.
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arrrghhh said:
Yea, that's assuming you're ON LTE.
This thread is discussing whether or not it works across EVDO/CDMA, which evidently it does... I'm curious as well, will test today. Sprint doesn't have any plans to put LTE in my city (or state) yet Puerto Rico is evidently getting the entire island covered this year.... Sigh.
Edit - I was NOT on wifi, and I was still able to transfer data over 3g while on a call. Very cool!!
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Yo its cool I accept your apologie! Not once did I mention in my post anything about being on 4g! I specifically mentioned the phones we now carry that can over 3g!
Glad you figured it out lmao
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