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AT&T did it again, no way to turn off 4G LTE?

Looks like ATampT is becoming notorious for not including any 3G or 4G toggles. Not only can customers not turn off 3G in spotty 3G areas but now they can't turn off 4G LTE????!!!! Does AT&T not realize that someone who is in a spotty 4G LTE area will have their phone die twice as quick? I don't understand for the life in me why they don't give the customer the option to choose which network they want to be on?
I know I have the option to turn off cellular data but then I have no data whatsoever. If my phone sits in the drawer at work most of the day why can't it be forced to EDGE??? I know for a fact AT&T has an EDGE network to fall back on out here.
They allow iPhone 3GS and 4 owners to toggle 3G but not the 4S which is HSPA+. Now they don't allow you to turn off 4G LTE unless you root. WOW!!!

Honestly, they could care less about the battery life, but they do want you to use more data so they make more money. The faster the connection, the easier it would be to exceed your limit without realizing until its too late, or you may upgrade your data package because its faster. Either way is a win win for AT&T which means more money.

americasteam said:
Honestly, they could care less about the battery life, but they do want you to use more data so they make more money. The faster the connection, the easier it would be to exceed your limit without realizing until its too late, or you may upgrade your data package because its faster. Either way is a win win for AT&T which means more money.
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Wow I never thought of that. I have unlimited but I guess the faster the connection the faster I can be throttled. Boy do I wish there was a good cell phone company in America that actually gave a sh*t about their customers.

Hopefully I will be able to add the toggles in on my rom.
another idea, make another APN without the info for LTE.

designgears said:
Hopefully I will be able to add the toggles in on my rom.
another idea, make another APN without the info for LTE.
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was just coming in here to ask if installing a custom rom would allow AT&T users to toggle edge/3g/hspa/lte . that would be REALLY nice!

Genetic517 said:
was just coming in here to ask if installing a custom rom would allow AT&T users to toggle edge/3g/hspa/lte . that would be REALLY nice!
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Yes, there are many roms for the Samsung SkyRocket that allow such toggles. Its a setting with the modem radio.

MattMJB0188 said:
Yes, there are many roms for the Samsung SkyRocket that allow such toggles. Its a setting with the modem radio.
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would there be any way of using these toggles without using another rom?

Genetic517 said:
would there be any way of using these toggles without using another rom?
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No, hence my frustration. Yea I like rooting but I'm pretty new to it and we shouldn't have to do it to gain this functionality.

Genetic517 said:
would there be any way of using these toggles without using another rom?
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yes, but may need a modded kernel, root for sure. there are apps that shut off lte and 3g but require root. like DD said, try changing the apn.

It's also because they want to alleviate their load on the towers. All the people on 4g LTE are not on 3g, they don't care if it kills your battery because the signal is spotty.

does this mean even after sim unlock. i wouldnt be able to use this phone overseas and have 3g working?

Can you not change it under *#*#4636#*#* under phone info and scroll to preferred network type.

someone posted the answer to this question in another thread.
The LTE is integrated. So it just looks for the best available network. If you dont have lte, then it will connect you to 3g or hspa+.

MattMJB0188 said:
Looks like ATampT is becoming notorious for not including any 3G or 4G toggles. Not only can customers not turn off 3G in spotty 3G areas but now they can't turn off 4G LTE????!!!! Does AT&T not realize that someone who is in a spotty 4G LTE area will have their phone die twice as quick? I don't understand for the life in me why they don't give the customer the option to choose which network they want to be on?
I know I have the option to turn off cellular data but then I have no data whatsoever. If my phone sits in the drawer at work most of the day why can't it be forced to EDGE??? I know for a fact AT&T has an EDGE network to fall back on out here.
They allow iPhone 3GS and 4 owners to toggle 3G but not the 4S which is HSPA+. Now they don't allow you to turn off 4G LTE unless you root. WOW!!!
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I don't get it; if you don;t want LTE why not just buy the international One X and have 32gig as well?

alwayslearning said:
I don't get it; if you don;t want LTE why not just buy the international One X and have 32gig as well?
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I don't want to pay $600+ for a phone. I'm going to be on AT&T for at least 2 years so I might as well get a subsidized phone.
zivan56 said:
Can you not change it under *#*#4636#*#* under phone info and scroll to preferred network type.
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Nope. Selecting any option that is not LTE it just bounces back to the "GSM/WCDMA/LTE Auto" option. Heck, even selecting "LTE only" bounces back to the default.
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someone posted the answer to this question in another thread.
The LTE is integrated. So it just looks for the best available network. If you dont have lte, then it will connect you to 3g or hspa+.
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This was speculation on the part of that poster. See my response in that thread.

I remember this was also an issue on the Vivid. Toggle widgets don't work, the *#*#4636#*#* code doesn't work.
Try changing the APN to turn off LTE:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19170113
Not a convenient toggle. But once you have the second APN setup, it wouldn't be too much of a pain to switch back and forth APNs (if it does work).

Also for the majority of the US, it doesn't even matter because AT&T LTE coverage is pretty minimal in its current form.

It even shocks me because ...
I'm quite surprised that AT&T does not allow you to turn off LTE.
My Rogers unit specifically allows this, so it's very strange to me.
Peter

I mentioned earlier it killing your battery, but considering the LTE is built in, there's no reason to really worry.

therulebookman said:
This was speculation on the part of that poster. See my response in that thread.
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speculation sounds about right
you posted that you got 13 hours with your phone. Sounds about right. 1.5 hours of talk time with mild usuage. Not sure if you had data on or off during those times. So.....
DING DING DING we have a winner

4g toggle and other questions

Ok, i finally got this thing rooted. I have a few questions about this, and these may be more ICS questions than Photon questions.
Do I have to do anything to turn on 4g? I cant find anywhere to do this. I liked the toggle buttons that showed at the top of older version of android, anyway to get those back? I ask because i was in an area yesterday where 4g service is available, but i never saw the phone automatically change to 4g.
Also, a program that i have used alot in the past is Roam Control. This is so that when i was at my hunting land, i could set my phone to roam only. I noticed more options in Preferred Network Mode. Is this how to set my phone to roam only? Because i installed Roam Control, and it doesnt work for this phone.

Check in development for the toggles. Still no 4G toggle. But rangerbry did an awesome job porting the others over.
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In the mobile networks section of the phone there are options, in your case, "CDMA" or "CDMA/LTE". I would think if you leave CDMA/ LTE selected the phone will connect to LTE when it or IF it is available. If not it will simply stay on 3G/CDMA.
How did you know the area you wer ein actually had LTE? Sprint seems to be launching a market when there is like 20% coverage, so good chunks of an area will not see it light up yet on the phones.

not lte but 4g. i know because my other phone got 4g service there. It seems like if u leave this phone on automatic, its not actually automatic cause it wont pickup 4g. which option do i use for roam only?

whitelightnin3006 said:
not lte but 4g. i know because my other phone got 4g service there. It seems like if u leave this phone on automatic, its not actually automatic cause it wont pickup 4g. which option do i use for roam only?
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Which other phone? Was it WiMax capable? This phone will only do LTE, not Sprints WiMax. Both are different forms of 4G for Sprint.

tetrabyt said:
Check in development for the toggles. Still no 4G toggle. But rangerbry did an awesome job porting the others over.
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Would be really nice to have some way to toggle 4g on/off... I know my buddy's Evo3D (yes, wimax...) can easily toggle it on/off. He said his battery life is WAY better when he leaves his wimax radio off, and I would imagine leaving the LTE radio off would be beneficial.
As there isn't a whole lot of Sprint rollout for LTE right now, turning it off permanently isn't a bad thing... But if I'm traveling or just curious - it would be nice to have this toggle!
swintec said:
In the mobile networks section of the phone there are options, in your case, "CDMA" or "CDMA/LTE". I would think if you leave CDMA/ LTE selected the phone will connect to LTE when it or IF it is available. If not it will simply stay on 3G/CDMA.
How did you know the area you wer ein actually had LTE? Sprint seems to be launching a market when there is like 20% coverage, so good chunks of an area will not see it light up yet on the phones.
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Yea, it seems like this is the only method right now. Just set the network to "CDMA" and it will only be able to connect to 3g. I don't see any change in the 4g status, any way to verify this?
I was actually surprised at how granular my buddy's 3vo was with 4g - it was almost like wifi, had everything separate (and this is stock...) So I'm really hoping we can sort out something similar - because I don't see how wimax and LTE are different in these respects - no?

arrrghhh said:
... because I don't see how WiMax and LTE are different in these respects - no?
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Nah, as I suspect that unlike WiMax (which was a separate chipset) the LTE radio is combined with the CDMA radio on the chipset (and maybe even the GSM radio, if the chipset's advanced enough- I know there's combined CDMA/GSM radios).

kcrudup said:
Nah, as I suspect that unlike WiMax (which was a separate chipset) the LTE radio is combined with the CDMA radio on the chipset (and maybe even the GSM radio, if the chipset's advanced enough- I know there's combined CDMA/GSM radios).
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That would suck. So far my battery life on this device is really awful... I've only been awake for 2 hours and I'm down 20%. Granted I have been playing with it more than I usually would (under "normal" usage patterns... new phone and all ), but damn! I wonder how long this thing will be able to stream music...

arrrghhh said:
That would suck. So far my battery life on this device is really awful... I've only been awake for 2 hours and I'm down 20%. Granted I have been playing with it more than I usually would (under "normal" usage patterns... new phone and all ), but damn! I wonder how long this thing will be able to stream music...
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Streams music for the better part of 8hrs for me while at work. And if it isn't music or videos, I'm talking on the phone. I have you tried smart actions yet?
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tetrabyt said:
Streams music for the better part of 8hrs for me while at work. And if it isn't music or videos, I'm talking on the phone. I have you tried smart actions yet?
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I need to play more with the Smart Actions. The only one I have setup now is an overnight one if I forget to plug it in.

arrrghhh said:
I need to play more with the Smart Actions. The only one I have setup now is an overnight one if I forget to plug it in.
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They are sweet...
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I don't know if you "got" your answer, but I was talking with a Sprint Rep and she told me that the LTE just "turns" on. It's kinda like Tmo's HSPA. It's part of the Network. It just switches over if it sees it.
In your settings, you can say CDMA or CDMA/LTE. That's asking 3G or 3G/4G LTE. As far as a toggle, someone needs to come up with it. LoL!!
Your best bet, until a developer comes up with the answer, is to make a shortcut to that. I want this phone. =.P

No_Nickname90 said:
[I was told] the LTE just "turns" on. It's kinda like Tmo's HSPA. It's part of the Network. It just switches over if it sees it.
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The issue, of course, is that having the LTE radio (which appears to be a separate entity, unlike GSM where it's merely another modulation scheme that the chipset understands) be on all the time drains power that's essentially being wasted since Sprint's LTE Network is largely nonexistent.
The reason for wanting a Toggle is for those folks who spend their time in non-LTE (or marginal LTE signal) areas, who'd like a quick way to either test for an upcoming rollout, or to use LTE only when in a known LTE-enabled area.

kcrudup said:
The issue, of course, is that having the LTE radio (which appears to be a separate entity, unlike GSM where it's merely another modulation scheme that the chipset understands) be on all the time drains power that's essentially being wasted since Sprint's LTE Network is largely nonexistent.
The reason for wanting a Toggle is for those folks who spend their time in non-LTE (or marginal LTE signal) areas, who'd like a quick way to either test for an upcoming rollout, or to use LTE only when in a known LTE-enabled area.
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Yea. I completely understand that. That's why I also stated that OP should just have a shortcut to their setting where they can change from CDMA to CDMA/LTE. That way OP can turn off LTE when not using it. A toggle, of course, would make this process a whole lot easier. I don't see why there isn't a toggle. There's a toggle for 4G WiMax. It does the same thing. When it's not connected, it just idles and scans again. It uses more battery looking for 4G to connect to than actually using it. LoL!! I've noticed that 4G WiMax "sleeps" quickly once it connects. I hope LTE would do the same.
Let me stop before I start ranting on. LoL!!

tetrabyt said:
They are sweet...
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I looked at them briefly....am I missing something or does the battery saving one not give you the ability to give parameters like syncing every 30 minutes/1 hour or the like? If the ability is there, I couldn't figure out how to edit that one properly. I only saw 3 options and the one that'd be closest to what I'd want basically read like it will only sync when you're actively using the phone. I want that, but additionally would like it to connect and sync periodically and shut data back off. I'd used Green Power Premium on my Epic for that but thought maybe Smart Actions would give me the ability to do away with using it.

No CDMA/LTE option

So i havent really been paying that much attention to LTE, since i live out where it is not available yet. But today, i am working in Atlanta, where i know there is LTE coverage from Sprint, and my phone never connects to LTE and it does not connect to 4g in alot of places where my Epic did. So i realized that in my mobile network options, I have an option for CDMA/4g, but I do not have an option for CDMA/LTE. I called Sprint and of course they want me to take it to a service and repair center, but my phone is rooted. I am afraid all they are going to say is me rooting the phone is why it is not working and that I should not have done that, and probably void my warranty. Does anyone else have this problem and know a fix for it? Please let me know if you do!
Thanks!

I was under the impression that it would automatically connect to LTE when it was available. I haven't seen/heard of a way to toggle LTE. you're wondering if something is wrong because you were not able to connect to LTE in an area which is supposed to have LTE? Are certain that LTE was available?
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It is my understanding that it does auto connect to LTE if you have it set to CDMA/LTE or Automatic. I am in an area where I know LTE is available because i checked the coverage map, and called to verify as well. Also, when connected to LTE, i thought i had heard that instead of saying 4g, there is actually a symbol that says LTE. I was also told by the Sprint rep, that my option should read CDMA/LTE instead of CDMA/4g.

whitelightnin3006 said:
It is my understanding that it does auto connect to LTE if you have it set to CDMA/LTE or Automatic. I am in an area where I know LTE is available because i checked the coverage map, and called to verify as well. Also, when connected to LTE, i thought i had heard that instead of saying 4g, there is actually a symbol that says LTE. I was also told by the Sprint rep, that my option should read CDMA/LTE instead of CDMA/4g.
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Pretty sure it says 4g when connected to lte. There is no wimax chip so lte is there 4g
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Rangerbry said:
Pretty sure it says 4g when connected to lte. There is no wimax chip so lte is there 4g
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That makes sense to me, because that would explain why I dont get 4g in some spots where I used to get it with my Epic. But, I still dont think it is correct, I am showing 4g right now and my speed is 5.5mb down. LTE should be higher than that shouldnt it? Also, that still doesnt explain why I would have the CDMA/4g option instead of having CDMA/LTE option.
Can anyone confirm on the Photon Q that when connected to LTE is shows an LTE icon, and that your option in mobile networks does say CDMA/LTE?

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Pretty sure it says 4g when connected to lte. There is no wimax chip so lte is there 4g
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I would have to agree, I don't think there's anything in the Android framework to show "LTE" as a radio status... It should show 4g.
I say this, and I've never seen the phone connected to LTE/4G.
Also, OP - I'm sure this goes without saying, but you seem to think that because you had Wimax there before, you'll have LTE there now - that is certainly not going to be the case. In my area we have great Wimax service, but we're not even on the roadmap for LTE from Sprint...
So just because you had 4g on Sprint there before does not mean you'll automatically have 4g there! I hope their rollout is pretty aggressive, but obviously it's a heavy capital cost.

CDMA/4G is what you want it set to for LTE. Also, not all of Atlanta is lit up yet...maybe like 30-40%. If it exists where you are it will connect.

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CDMA/4G is what you want it set to for LTE. Also, not all of Atlanta is lit up yet...maybe like 30-40%. If it exists where you are it will connect.
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The map that i am looking at on Sprint's website shows basically 100% of Atlanta, and much of the outskirts and suburbs as well having LTE coverage. It looks like most of about a 50 mile radius of Atlanta is lit up, but I only get coverage for a very small percentage of the area that their map is showing that supposedly gets LTE service. So either my phone is messed up, or they are full of sh**

My option in settings says cdma/4g.
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The icon is 4g on the phone, I've seen at least one video review of the phone somewhere where it shows 4g on the screen. And the others are correct, 4g *is* LTE on this phone in terms of the network settings.

I would look at this forum (on another website, www.s4gru.com), it shows all the current released markets and the percent complete. The Atlanta market is only 30% complete so you probably half to be in the right spot to get 4G and in the perfect spot to get over 10 mbps. But as the days (weeks, months etc) go on it will get better. I'm in Rochester NY and we are in the 3rd round for release which wont see any LTE until Summer 2013.....I think Sprint's completion plan of end of 2013 is not going to work out...but I am hoping that Sprint proves me wrong.

zrmxp95 said:
I would look at this forum (on another website, www.s4gru.com), it shows all the current released markets and the percent complete. The Atlanta market is only 30% complete so you probably half to be in the right spot to get 4G and in the perfect spot to get over 10 mbps. But as the days (weeks, months etc) go on it will get better. I'm in Rochester NY and we are in the 3rd round for release which wont see any LTE until Summer 2013.....I think Sprint's completion plan of end of 2013 is not going to work out...but I am hoping that Sprint proves me wrong.
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This seems to be more accurate than Sprints site. That is what pisses me off, you can go to their site and check coverage, and according to it, and their reps on the phone, LTE should be available now, all over Atlanta. That is obviously not the case though. Thanks for the link

whitelightnin3006 said:
Can anyone confirm on the Photon Q that when connected to LTE is shows an LTE icon, and that your option in mobile networks does say CDMA/LTE?
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Nope, it says "4G" both on the indication icon and on the Mobile Data connection options page.
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"4G" is just dumb marketing-speak anyway.

Doesn't it bother you AT&T customers that...

You have no 32GB phone available, and it could be weeks or months before you guys see a 32GB version?
You guys can't TRULY talk & surf because AT&ampT throttles your speeds during calls? Pings also drastically increase. Test it out!
NO unlimited data plan option. Those who were lucky to keep the $30 unlimited plan are throttled at 5GB.
AT&T RAT locks their modems, making it near impossible to force EDGE or HSPA only to preserve battery life.
Pre-orders are ALWAYS a mess. Galaxy Note 2 had no white option available during pre-order.
All of this sure as hell bothers me, and makes me crave T-Mobile, except I don't want 2G.
So what's with all these AT&T threads? Why are there that many people on them if they are like this?

MattMJB0188 said:
You have no 32GB phone available, and it could be weeks or months before you guys see a 32GB version?
You guys can't TRULY talk & surf because AT&ampT throttles your speeds during calls? Pings also drastically increase. Test it out!
NO unlimited data plan option. Those who were lucky to keep the $30 unlimited plan are throttled at 5GB.
AT&T RAT locks their modems, making it near impossible to force EDGE or HSPA only to preserve battery life.
Pre-orders are ALWAYS a mess. Galaxy Note 2 had no white option available during pre-order.
All of this sure as hell bothers me, and makes me crave T-Mobile, except I don't want 2G.
So what's with all these AT&T threads? Why are there that many people on them if they are like this?
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not sure of your trolling or not? im on at&t because for me they have the best coverage. as far as having no 32gb models yes im upset but im over it now.

fix-this! said:
not sure of your trolling or not? im on at&t because for me they have the best coverage. as far as having no 32gb models yes im upset but im over it now.
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I'd like if T-Mobile was an option for me, but I like to have reception to make phone calls. Also - I don't think you're getting the 32 at T-mobile.

AT&T works best for me, GSM, Great coverage, fast data speeds, Great phone selections, Great company discount on monthly bill.
I am not sure if its AT&T or Samsung's Fault for not having a 32gb option available for pre order but I am sure it wont be long before the 32 model is available.

Also the fact that as an ATT customer, I can buy the international version and have a 3g working phone. Since there is no LTE from ATT in my area, I have no plans to get the quad core version that ATT offers.

cygnet17 said:
AT&T works best for me, GSM, Great coverage, fast data speeds, Great phone selections, Great company discount on monthly bill.
I am not sure if its AT&T or Samsung's Fault for not having a 32gb option available for pre order but I am sure it wont be long before the 32 model is available.
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no carrier is getting the 32gb models now. i talked to samsung and they told me it won't be anytime soon.

+ best coverage for my area out of the big 4
+ good (best?) phone selection
- HORRIBLE customer service. 611 is junk. 10% chance of getting someone you can actually understand and speaks clear English. The AT&T policies change depending on who you talk to. No consistency.
- The AT&T reps at the corp stores are extremely rude and always expect that you have no idea what you are talking about.... for example, while I was looking at a Lumia 920, the rep said "this is the newest Android phone we have", which I politely stated that this is actually a Windows Phone 8. He laughed and said "does this look like a computer to you?" This is just one example of many.
- The HSPA+ coverage at my home is laggy and often times doesn't work at all. I have better luck with 3G/EDGE for some reason.
- Heaven help you if you have a Nexus phone. They have NO IDEA what it is, how you have it or why it works with their network. It's like some kind of alien device that breaks their understanding of how cell phones are supposed to work. For example, I'm standing in the store with my GSM Galaxy Nexus with "No Service" showing. No amount of rebooting or factory resetting is getting me back on the network, so I assume it's a problem with my account. The guy says "I don't see this phone in our system. You can't use a Verizon phone on AT&T"... I said "yes I agree, but this is a GSM phone and has ALWAYS worked on AT&T until today". He shrugged and said "You're gonna have to call 611 cuse you lost me". Turns out someone somewhere sometime had put me on an "iPhone data plan"...which is somehow DIFFERENT from a "every other phone data plan". I figured that out from looking at my account online.
Very sorry for the above rant. T-Mobile and Sprint coverage is non-exsistant and I'm not a huge fan of Verizon's phone selection.

Not trolling at all.
No one mentions the fact that they throttle speeds during calls to 1mbps or less with high pings??? Doesn't anyone want the option to turn LTE off and use HSPA only? This comes in handy if your phone sits in your desk drawer all day at at work?

MattMJB0188 said:
AT&T RAT locks their modems, making it near impossible to force EDGE or HSPA only to preserve battery life.
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I have to admit, this pisses me off something severe. Let me force edge and HSPA, you dirty bastards!
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MattMJB0188 said:
Not trolling at all.
No one mentions the fact that they throttle speeds during calls to 1mbps or less with high pings??? Doesn't anyone want the option to turn LTE off and use HSPA only? This comes in handy if your phone sits in your desk drawer all day at at work?
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Never had trouble with throttling or pings while on a phone call, but I haven't been able to turn LTE off. Luckily with the S4, I won't want to since the battery is so big.

gzrecoil said:
Never had trouble with throttling or pings while on a phone call, but I haven't been able to turn LTE off. Luckily with the S4, I won't want to since the battery is so big.
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Test it out!!! Run a speedtest during a call. I bet you anything you won't get anything greater than 1mbps down and your ping will be high. Run the test off the call and you'll have better results.
Frustrates me to know end.
T-Mobile does not do this.

I'm on AT&T because in my area Anchorage, Alaska AT&T offers newest phones and when I travel to the lower 48 states I'm pretty much guaranteed coverage in the major cities I visit. Verizon is coming up here this summer so we'll see how they compare to AT&T.

Doesn't bother me at all. I don't need a 32gb phone. I have no idea why I need to surf and talk at the same time. And I don't need an unlimited plan as most places I go have wifi.
At most I use 500mb of my 2gb plan per month. At most. Even with tons of streaming of music.

MattMJB0188 said:
Test it out!!! Run a speedtest during a call. I bet you anything you won't get anything greater than 1mbps down and your ping will be high. Run the test off the call and you'll have better results.
Frustrates me to know end.
T-Mobile does not do this.
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I'm going to check on it when I get the GS4, that doesn't make sense since the call is not using LTE.
I'll probably write a few letters once I confirm and make some noise, that is just absurd.

gzrecoil said:
Never had trouble with throttling or pings while on a phone call, but I haven't been able to turn LTE off. Luckily with the S4, I won't want to since the battery is so big.
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gzrecoil said:
I'm going to check on it when I get the GS4, that doesn't make sense since the call is not using LTE.
I'll probably write a few letters once I confirm and make some noise, that is just absurd.
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Yes it is. Uploads are like 0.01mbps. Test it out!!! I have called many, many times. AT&T doesn't acknowledge this.
If you are pulling 5-7mbps on HSPA+ then you should pull that on a call. They are throttling everyone's speeds during calls and returning them to normal once the call ends.
Pings are significantly higher also. Talking and surfing is pretty much unusable. It wasn't always like this though. Can't wait to see what they do once calls are made over LTE. I bet they'll throttle with LTE too.
Test it out!
And the fact that AT&T wants me on the fastest network is absurd too. I should be able to force H+ or 2G when I WANT TO SAVE DATA USAGE!!! I don't always need LTE. WHY CAN'T WE FN TURN IT OFF???

To answer your question, yes, all those things bother me. But, Sprint and T-Mobile both have spotty coverage and a very limited selection of phones, and Verizon is the devil. (locked bootloaders, losing unlimited data when using an upgrade, etc.)
AT&T is truly the best option for me. Good coverage, huge selection of phones, more dev support since the phones are GSM.

U MAD BRO?
Seriously, what is the point of this thread? You want to force slower speeds, get an original Galaxy S, I don't know what the complaints are about, but it sounds like you work for another carrier and trying to hate on the big boys for no reason

KryptosXLayer2 said:
U MAD BRO?
Seriously, what is the point of this thread? You want to force slower speeds, get an original Galaxy S, I don't know what the complaints are about, but it sounds like you work for another carrier and trying to hate on the big boys for no reason
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I'm a consumer just like you. I am mad that a smaller carrier doesn't throttle speeds during calls during calls and gives customers the option to turn off 3G/4G.
You tell me how its beneficial if my device sits on LTE all day when I don't need it too? If it was on HSPA or EDGE I could still maintain a data connection and preserve battery life.
Not to mention, if I am close to my data limit, forcing HSPA or EDGE will help me by not going over my limit, because its slower.
GET IT NOW?

MattMJB0188 said:
I'm a consumer just like you. I am mad that a smaller carrier doesn't throttle speeds during calls during calls and gives customers the option to turn off 3G/4G.
You tell me how its beneficial if my device sits on LTE all day when I don't need it too? If it was on HSPA or EDGE I could still maintain a data connection and preserve battery life.
Not to mention, if I am close to my data limit, forcing HSPA or EDGE will help me by not going over my limit, because its slower.
GET IT NOW?
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You can set caps on your phone so you don't go over. Very easy to do. Forcing HSPA or EDGE doesn't prevent you from going over. It just goes slower but uses the same amount of data to accomplish the same goal. I have heard that LTE as part of SoC uses much less power. But haven't tested it myself. Considering I have wifi at work I just turn off data completely and use wifi.

MattMJB0188 said:
I'm a consumer just like you. I am mad that a smaller carrier doesn't throttle speeds during calls during calls and gives customers the option to turn off 3G/4G.
You tell me how its beneficial if my device sits on LTE all day when I don't need it too? If it was on HSPA or EDGE I could still maintain a data connection and preserve battery life.
Not to mention, if I am close to my data limit, forcing HSPA or EDGE will help me by not going over my limit, because its slower.
GET IT NOW?
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Just cause its slower doesn't mean it uses any less data...regardless of speed your still going to end up using the same amount of data...although I do agree you should have the option to turn off LTE, however you can always add a non LTE apn and just switch sons when ever you want to toggle LTE
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Talk and Surf - Really Verizon???

I love my S6, but I can't believe Verizon doesn't let you talk and surf at the same time, like you could with the S5.
I have advanced calling on, which theoretically let's you do it, but if you are not on LTE, it won't work.
Really Verizon? I thought we were in 2015.

Wait so if you're in 3g we can't do voice and data? That sucks been doing it since my note 2 days

I have no problem doing both while connected to advanced calling. However, if advanced calling isn't available, I can't surf the internet. This isn't a Verizon thing, it's a Samsung deal. They didn't include the radio to allow for it. This may very well have sealed the deal for me to take it back and stick with the Note 4. Being in a rural area a lot, I need both no matter what network is currently available.

It's a CDMA carrier issue with these newer phones that only have a single antenna for cellular radio.
Droid Turbo, Moto X, Nexus 6, HTC m9, etc...
It would be the same on other CDMA carriers such as Sprint.

I first noticed it when I got a Droid Turbo, and it was really frustrating. You also notice it when using SignalCheck Pro, on my G3 you see a 1X and LTE connection active, but on the S6 you see either or depending on your connection.

You wouldn't think it would add much cost to the phone with the second antenna.

VoLTE has always required LTE to function. The giveaway is the freaking "LTE" in the name.

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VoLTE has always required LTE to function. The giveaway is the freaking "LTE" in the name.
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I'm fairly certain everyone in here knows this. The issue isn't with VoLTE, it's that they left a radio out that allows talking and surfing without VoLTE. Note 4 and LG G3 could do it before they received the update that made them VoLTE capable.

You're confusing simultaneous voice and data with VoLTE. OP sure didn't understand that LTE is required for VoLTE.
What has changed is that Verizon is starting to ONLY support simultaneous voice/data VIA VoLTE, in place of extra radios.

Unfortunately this is Verizon's trend. In theory it should improve battery life vs a two radio system. In theory...
They're pushing for this and honestly I think it's a bad choice, at least in the short term. Calls while using VoLTE on Verizon are 100% dependent on your LTE signal. So if it gets too weak or you have to switch to 3G, the call drops. It also can be unusable if the LTE signal is weak. Verizon's FAQ even says if you're in an area of weak LTE or spotty LTE, to disable VoLTE. AT&T and T-Mobile have a fallback so the call won't drop.

To be sure that I am understanding correctly, let me ask it in a dumb downed way.
When you are on 3g and make a call, you can NOT use internet simultaneously.
If you make a call while in LTE, you CAN use the internet while in the call.
This has been the case with VZ and LTE as far as I can remember. No LTE, no internet+call.
Is this situation different? Think I am just misreading and not understanding.
EDIT: And to be clear, I am talking about the beginnings of LTE. Like in the Thunderbolt days. The advanced calling feature was not around that I am aware of.

fire3element said:
To be sure that I am understanding correctly, let me ask it in a dumb downed way.
When you are on 3g and make a call, you can NOT use internet simultaneously.
If you make a call while in LTE, you CAN use the internet while in the call.
This has been the case with VZ and LTE as far as I can remember. No LTE, no internet+call.
Is this situation different? Think I am just misreading and not understanding.
EDIT: And to be clear, I am talking about the beginnings of LTE. Like in the Thunderbolt days. The advanced calling feature was not around that I am aware of.
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There are a number of techs involved with have both voice and data for CDMA phones/network like VZW. In the past, VZW LTE phones could connect Data on the 4G LTE and have voice connection over 3G/CDMA simultaneously but on the newer phones like the Turbo, Nexus 6, S6 this is no longer possible UNLESS you have VoLTE enabled and are in a 4G LTE location.
The Thunderbolt actually can have both 3G data and Voice simultaneously and one of the few phones which could do that but the battery quickly dries up
my 2 cents

Ah ok, makes sense. That is what I thought, just wanted to make sure.
Guess I will hold on longer to my Note 3 and S3(love it)for a while longer. The S3 is still a great phone in my opinion. Does what you need, and fairly well. Plus you pretty much can recover from any brick status.
Sad to see the way phones are going. Locked bootloaders, no root, forced crapware, no sd card, built in battery.
Next up will be DNA link to your device for "Security". That silly fingerprint reader is so yesteryear.

Radios
WTF? Am I the only one who needs to use data while on a long (conference) call?
I spend most of my time in metro areas with LTE, but Verizon wants to alter my unlimited data plan to activate voLTE. Not happening.
My VZW LG G3 didn't have this issue. I'm no expert here, but there won't be a root or ROM that is going to help me with this problem, right? This is a hardware issue, correct?
Looks like my wife is getting a shiny new Samsung phone.

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WTF? Am I the only one who needs to use data while on a long (conference) call?
I spend most of my time in metro areas with LTE, but Verizon wants to alter my unlimited data plan to activate voLTE. Not happening.
My VZW LG G3 didn't have this issue. I'm no expert here, but there won't be a root or ROM that is going to help me with this problem, right? This is a hardware issue, correct?
Looks like my wife is getting a shiny new Samsung phone.
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Talk and data works fine on LTE.
You won't lose your unlimited plan to use VoLTE, I use it just fine.
The G3 was one of the last phones to use two radios simultaneously. A ROM won't fix it.
Sent from my SM-G920V

With the original Edge I know you sacrificed an antenna for the screen so no surfing and voice. Are you all saying even the regular S6 only has 1 antenna?

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With the original Edge I know you sacrificed an antenna for the screen so no surfing and voice. Are you all saying even the regular S6 only has 1 antenna?
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Yes. If you don't have an LTE connection and don't have Advanced Calling enabled, you won't get simultaneous voice and data.

thuddome said:
With the original Edge I know you sacrificed an antenna for the screen so no surfing and voice. Are you all saying even the regular S6 only has 1 antenna?
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It's all recent Verizon phones. The Nexus 6, Droid Turbo, One M9, S6, etc. None can talk and surf at the same time without VoLTE.

Yeah I'm guessing we are headed towards total VOIP.

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Yeah I'm guessing we are headed towards total VOIP.
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That's what Verizon wants. It would be great if Verizon had a fallback if LTE was weak or drops... but as it is right now, it simply takes what Verizon was known for (call reliability) and throws it down the toilet. Ok, it's not that bad... but in the years we were with Verizon before VoLTE, I really don't think I ever dropped a call. I'm sure that's not true, but it was rare. Since VoLTE, it probably happens a few times a month, easy, maybe more . And since I got the S6 last Friday, I've had 4 total due to what appears to be a weaker LTE signal in general on the S6.