I have discovered just how similar the Q and the Razr M are.
The 2 phones, other than the obvious keyboard, differ only in their touchscreen input. One is the mirror of the other. I know this because I restored the twrp backup of JB 412 for the Q (posted elsewhere in this forum) and everything worked! Phone, data (calls worked & I am on VZW Too) & hardkeys... every thing I used. But it was quite awkward as the touch input needed the mirror of the actual screen graphics. In order to click the back button I had to touch the top of the screen at about 11 o'clock.
So the root question is: Is it hard wiring at the input touchpoints OR some code (SW, UI app) doing the crossing?
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Could We flash our Qs into Ms & our Ms into Qs?
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I think the real question is - why would you want to?
All the msm8960 moto's share a common kernel, so yea there's quite a bit in common with all of 'em. But they all also have slight differences as you noted.
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I think the real question is - why would you want to?
All the msm8960 moto's share a common kernel, so yea there's quite a bit in common with all of 'em. But they all also have slight differences as you noted.
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Please ignore the attempt at humor : "Could We flash our Qs into Ms & our Ms into Qs?"
Well IF (big) all the "higher level" code is the same & we can alter the lower then development could be shared. Unlikely as it seems, couldn't it be a possibility?
The answer I seek is one that you might be willing to provide. Is there some piece of code that would do the "crossing"?
aviwdoowks said:
Please ignore the attempt at humor : "Could We flash our Qs into Ms & our Ms into Qs?"
Well IF (big) all the "higher level" code is the same & we can alter the lower then development could be shared. Unlikely as it seems, couldn't it be a possibility?
The answer I seek is one that you might be willing to provide. Is there some piece of code that would do the "crossing"?
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What is the point though? I don't understand what you gain from doing this.
I don't know any magical piece of code to fix your issue, no.
aviwdoowks said:
Please ignore the attempt at humor : "Could We flash our Qs into Ms & our Ms into Qs?"
Well IF (big) all the "higher level" code is the same & we can alter the lower then development could be shared. Unlikely as it seems, couldn't it be a possibility?
The answer I seek is one that you might be willing to provide. Is there some piece of code that would do the "crossing"?
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Motorola Photon Q xt897 (GSM)
Motorola Photon Q xt897c (CDMA)
Motorola Droid RAZR M (XT907)
Motorola RAZR HD (XT925)
Motorola Droid RAZR HD (XT926)
Motorola Atrix HD (MB886)
These are all devices that share development (the razrqcom-dev-team: epinter, dhacker29, Hashcode, nadlabak, Skrilax_CZ). A lot is the same for all these devices. I do not know what exactley differs but it is mostly some proprietary device drivers. The touch input firmware is one of those.
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Motorola Photon Q xt897 (GSM)
Motorola Photon Q xt897c (CDMA)
Motorola Droid RAZR M (XT907)
Motorola RAZR HD (XT925)
Motorola Droid RAZR HD (XT926)
Motorola Atrix HD (MB886)
These are all devices that share development (the razrqcom-dev-team: epinter, dhacker29, Hashcode, nadlabak, Skrilax_CZ). A lot is the same for all these devices. I do not know what exactley differs but it is mostly some proprietary device drivers. The touch input firmware is one of those.
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WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
Do you know the path where these reside?
Probably bad firmware for the touchscreen, who knows. But yeah, lots of things are shared (except firmware for touchscreen, modem, some modem libraries). And there is a difference in the configuration of course.
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Probably bad firmware for the touchscreen, who knows. But yeah, lots of things are shared (except firmware for touchscreen, modem, some modem libraries). And there is a difference in the configuration of course.
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Please read the post again. You missed my point.
Probably here. And/Or here
If just swapping device specific firmware would help. No gurantees everything would still fully work.
Btw., Skrilax_CZ is one of the lead developers around here and there. Read more.
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https://supportforums.motorola.com/community/manager/softwareupgrades
so sad......
Someone has to do something!!!!!
Maybe an adaptation of the motoroi 2.2????
Real shame.
Especialy after an anouncement who said that it will...
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Real shame.
Especialy after an anouncement who said that it will...
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cant believe they actually stop supporting a phone that's not even one yr old. time to switch camp, my next phone will not be motorola again.
en0203 said:
cant believe they actually stop supporting a phone that's not even one yr old. time to switch camp, my next phone will not be motorola again.
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The same for me... Samsung never deceive me like that....
I m in France and i bought my xt720 in july!!!! Just 4 month old !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, but Motoroi IS getting 2.2 in Q4. Isn't that the same as XT720? Also, I have an XT720, I'm in the US, and they don't even list that model for US phones at all!
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Yes, but Motoroi IS getting 2.2 in Q4. Isn't that the same as XT720? Also, I have an XT720, I'm in the US, and they don't even list that model for US phones at all!
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yes, currently US XT720 and Asia-Pacific Milestone XT is not in the list yet. According to what's happened to Backflip, only US backflip got 2.1 update and the rest of the whole world has to live with 1.5. So, US XT720 has a very high chance of getting the upgrade.
for Motoroi, The WCDMA module and camera module is different. so, I'm not sure it would work with your US XT720. At least, you'll loose your 3G and camera functions.
hiz
what about StarHub XT 720 from Singapore?
will they dumb us like the rest of the world
if that so this is the last time I buy Motorola phone
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hiz
what about StarHub XT 720 from Singapore?
will they dumb us like the rest of the world
if that so this is the last time I buy Motorola phone
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according to what's written on Motorola's Forum, StarHub's XT 720 is officially called Milestone XT and they have not yet put it into the list. so, just wait and see.
let assume starhub milestone xt will get froyo update
would it be possible to flash uk xt720 to starhub firmware?
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let assume starhub milestone xt will get froyo update
would it be possible to flash uk xt720 to starhub firmware?
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Absolutely possible. But you'll need a way to find your own language pack. (that's the only different). And that's also I'm having doubt for Milestone XT to get Froyo update. Language pack is so easy to add in the rom for them. So, if they're planning to upgrade Milestone XT, there definitely should be an update for XT720 EMEA (Europe, Middle East & Africa) phones.
Let's wait and see what they'll do for US XT720. If I'm not wrong, they'll deliver update for US XT720 (similar things happened to BackFlip).
My main doubt is about 8MP camera module. Seems like they can't make it work with Froyo. That's why XT720 Froyo update is pending (MOTOROI has got 5MP module)
I`m not sure that the camera is problem... 5 or 8MP is all most the same... I think that the camera hardware is same in all XT/Motoroi series, but in XT720 is 8MP with software emulation.
My hope is Motoroi XT720 (XT711)... This Korean version will receive 2.2 this year (will see...), the hardware is 98% the same, difference are minimal (according gsmarena.com) :
- Some DVB-T tuner
- Only 2100 HSDPA (In europe this is the same)
I`m trying to find Korean 2.1 original rom to flash my XT720... if 2.1 works, I think that 2.2 will work too.
if some one can give me link to Korean rom I will try and write result.
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I`m not sure that the camera is problem... 5 or 8MP is all most the same... I think that the camera hardware is same in all XT/Motoroi series, but in XT720 is 8MP with software emulation.
My hope is Motoroi XT720 (XT711)... This Korean version will receive 2.2 this year (will see...), the hardware is 98% the same, difference are minimal (according gsmarena.com) :
- Some DVB-T tuner
- Only 2100 HSDPA (In europe this is the same)
I`m trying to find Korean 2.1 original rom to flash my XT720... if 2.1 works, I think that 2.2 will work too.
if some one can give me link to Korean rom I will try and write result.
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http://and-developers.com/sbf:xt720
you can download Korean ROM at the above link. I support your idea. may be we can install Korean ROM and do a little modification to our needs.
OK, Now I`m with Korean Service rom.. The phone boot and work normal for the moment.
I will check it today, but I think that this will be the solution if Motorola dont release update to 2.2....
I must change keyboard... my korean is not very good
This is good news! Waiting 2.2 on motoroi
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Mmm... no so good for the moment.
Sorry, but my English is not very good to describe everything. After I flash Korean rom (service version) I have this problems:
- Must add manual my operator
- cannot find APN in the menus and for the moment don`t have data
- The touch buttons don`t lights (but light when tel. boot up...)
- The proximity sensor have his own opinion how and when to work ;-)
I decide to flash because I have another phone to use. Today I was out of time to test more precise the phone with Korean rom, but I will these days.
It will be better if someone how knows Android OS well support us in this, because I`m not a software expert... It`s no problem to use me for all king of tests and experiments, but don`t ask me to create scripts and roms
thats sounds good so far!
It's no prolem to chance the "apns-conf.xml". Then there will be Data again
The Light of the touchbottoms is also a setting in the "build.prop". So no problem again
The sensor MIGHT be a problem but if it sometimes works, then a wrong setting will be the problem.
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The same for me... Samsung never deceive me like that....
I m in France and i bought my xt720 in july!!!! Just 4 month old !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hm.Before Motorola my phone was Samsung.Same thing.6 months old phone (from worldwilde introduce) was too old for update.Only new phones say Samsung.So... Maybe HTC?
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register and sign the petition online....
https://supportforums.motorola.com/message/287671
motorola sucks. its no wonder they havent had profit at all recently
Now Motorola sucks... before Samsung... maybe next year HTC will sucks with some model...
We cannot change them... The are too big and don`t care for few clients (because the angry clients are 2-10%).
And of course.. Google is wrong... It`s impossible to control, support and update new OS every 6 months... and for 5-10 phones from a brand.
The only way is customization...
it does not mean we cant just give up. i mean what have we got to loose if we sign the petition?
I have tried several apps with multitouch (Phone Tester, android-multitouch-controller...), all of them show that the gtablet has a maximum of 2 touch points in the gtablet.
I am using the Vegan-tab 5.1, anyone has better results? Is it a hardware or a software limitation?
Dont know if its a hardware limitation, but as I posted in another thread before, this is "normal" imo. I have tested a Droid, Droid Inc, Evo, and the Gpad. Every device else Evo, has 2 finger detection. Evo has 5.
Cheers
Htc G2 has 4 finger detection just fyi
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Wrong section I would think..
xBANGx said:
Wrong section I would think..
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not if its a software limitation and there is opportunity for development...
renau said:
I have tried several apps with multitouch (Phone Tester, android-multitouch-controller...), all of them show that the gtablet has a maximum of 2 touch points in the gtablet.
I am using the Vegan-tab 5.1, anyone has better results? Is it a hardware or a software limitation?
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I've already looked into this in the kernel source code, if that's what you're asking.
It's hard to know for certain, but it appears to be a limitation of the microcontroller code for the touchscreen subsystem, based on the at168 driver code. The raw capacitive sensor readouts are done by this microcontroller, translated into up to two sets of X and Y coordinates, and read in by the driver.
There is some unused data in there - the driver is relatively simple, and we could try debug dumping out everything it can read from the Atmel chip, and see if some of that unused data could prove useful, but I am skeptical that we'd have any luck without re-programming the Atmel. That requires a microcontroller person to figure out, not me.
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Dont know if its a hardware limitation, but as I posted in another thread before, this is "normal" imo. I have tested a Droid, Droid Inc, Evo, and the Gpad. Every device else Evo, has 2 finger detection. Evo has 5.
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Evo has either 3 or 5, depending on the touch controller revision (literally 4 characters of hex). I got pwned when I traded in my faulty 002/Nova/.76hboot for my new 003/Nova/2.02hboot... LAME.
Anyway, toastcfh did a thread on it back when they were first figuring the evo out.
Moved to general
mmm. Interesting. The kernel has the option to load new firmware to the atmel chip. These are fairly easy to program, the problem is that we do now have the original code.
Did anyone find specs about the display? If this at164 chip just does the touch display, it may be possible to recreate the firmware if we have the hardware specs.
It may be interesting project,
The at164 kernel code only handles 2 touches, but if you see the driver capabilities (AT168_Capabilities), it sets the handler to 2 fingers *MaxNumberOfCoorReported". This value is written to th nvram that the AT168 reads.
Did anyone tried to change this value? (Something like 4)
The AT128 I2C registers may change when the NVRAM changes. If I were the designer I would have read the capability, and added as may AT168_X/Y pos as necessary. This will shift the registers, but it may be interesting to check.
I have the 002 Evo model and I only have 2 touch points. I would love to have more for certain apps that use more. Is there a fix for this? I've seen many people say that their Evo has 4 or 5 points. Is there a way to update to a newer version?
So I've been doing research on the Gtab on this issue because although it's a great device, I really want something that can do more than 2 inputs. so far what I've found is that the touch sensor in this device is the tango S32 controller shown by this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10062618&postcount=134
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/149/digitizerx.jpg
I found the companies main website and found some interesting facts about the chip. Firstly they don't have a number of touch points listed and it also says the max screen size the chip handles is 5" (maybe this is compensated because the gtab has 2 S32 chips).
http://www.pixcir.com.cn/e-product.asp?classId=2
http://donar.messe.de/exhibitor/007...1/links/20090226153411-DS TANGO-S32 Brief.pdf
All the videos I've seen concerning the s32 chip have only shown 2 touch points and knowing that there are plenty of android devices on 2.2/2.3 that support more than 2 points I believe I've come to the conclusion that the Gtab is limited to 2 points at a hardware level.
Anyone want to confirm or deny?
Hello everyone, I know this is a long shot but: is anyone interested in porting Android to this excellent eBook Reader?
Device description is here: http://www.bookeen.com/en/cybook/odyssey
It is basically a Nook Touch Simple/Sony PRS T1 like device that features a very fast e-Ink display (amazingly fast for an e-Ink) and should support some tablet like use (browsing the web, reading a RSS feed) quite well. You can see here and here what HSIS (High Speed Ink System) can do.
Stock version is using a Linux 2.6.31 based OS (doesn't specify what flavor)
From the little I know the main problems with porting a Android whould be:
- possible locked bootloader on the Cybook Odyssey -> no way to know without the device
- supported chipset -> an ARM A8 based chipset is listed
- display drivers -> maybe those from regular pearl e-Ink can be used?
- wi-fi drivers -> again, depends on the chipset
I'm out of my league (php, web stuff) here but I plan to buy the device next month if there's hope for it
Ideas?
Hi!
I would point out, before getting your hopes up on the porting, the fact that you asked just one day after the launch of the device, makes one think that you're thoughts are audaciously early. So unless some xda-developers are Bokeen insiders and, ahem, unbound by their job to work on this matter, either waiting or is the thing to do. Or, ahem, , learning how to port?
The chances I see for this port to happen are small (but than again still possible). Perhaps we could see if the linux running it might offer more flexibility and run apps directly (?). Porting would would have it's obvious advantages ... an Android with it's screen technology superior to any current eInk readers, except the Mirasol powered ones perhaps (those are limited to Korea for now) would we awesome.
csioucs said:
Hi!
I would point out, before getting your hopes up on the porting, the fact that you asked just one day after the launch of the device, makes one think that you're thoughts are audaciously early. So unless some xda-developers are Bokeen insiders and, ahem, unbound by their job to work on this matter, either waiting or is the thing to do. Or, ahem, , learning how to port?
The chances I see for this port to happen are small (but than again still possible). Perhaps we could see if the linux running it might offer more flexibility and run apps directly (?). Porting would would have it's obvious advantages ... an Android with it's screen technology superior to any current eInk readers, except the Mirasol powered ones perhaps (those are limited to Korea for now) would we awesome.
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Is there any news on debugging and or development possibilities on that platform? I have seen the gpl'ed linux source released at bookeen's site.
I have yet not found any pictures of a disassembled device and do not know if customized firmware updates are possible.
Would very much appreciate any news on that topic!
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Is there any news on debugging and or development possibilities on that platform? I have seen the gpl'ed linux source released at bookeen's site.
I have yet not found any pictures of a disassembled device and do not know if customized firmware updates are possible.
Would very much appreciate any news on that topic!
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I would also be interested in customized firmware for cybook odyssey. thanks
Any news on this anybody?
Anyone still watching this? I'd like to try to do it, but it's over my head, skill wise...
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Anyone still watching this? I'd like to try to do it, but it's over my head, skill wise...
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I know that internally some version of android ran on the device, but it's really not worth to do this. Android is absolutely not suited for such device and screen.
To install personalised linux/software, first crack the update format, then the device will be open to you...
Does anyone have the Motorola Atrix Lapdock? If so can you connect the Razr HD to it? I just picked one up online for 40 bucks and am curious.
Nope. Webtop was removed from the new Razr interactions. I was pretty bummed.
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hmm.
cj2566 said:
Nope. Webtop was removed from the new Razr interactions. I was pretty bummed.
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I wonder if there is an APK floating around out there....
There’s a system dump on almost every Razr forum. I've seen a couple guys mod their lap docks to work in mirror mode, but as far as the whole Webtop, maybe someone has a tut on it...
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Already asked the question here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1972838
Apparently it does work - but with HDMI mirror mode, so you will get big chunky icons and fonts on the screen (regardless of being in 720p). Difference to Webtop 3.0 is that Webtop automatically changes the DPI turning it into "tablet mode" as opposed to "Phone mode". Webtop 2.0 uses Linux and not confident that this will be compatible.
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Already asked the question here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1972838
Apparently it does work - but with HDMI mirror mode, so you will get big chunky icons and fonts on the screen (regardless of being in 720p). Difference to Webtop 3.0 is that Webtop automatically changes the DPI turning it into "tablet mode" as opposed to "Phone mode". Webtop 2.0 uses Linux and not confident that this will be compatible.
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Perhaps botbrew basil + debian + vnc + mirroring?
There are plenty of CHROOT solutions out there (Debian, Ubuntu, Backtrack) - just not sure how well they are. I've decided to choose the RAZR classic instead of the HD to replace my Atrix until someone figures out how to change the DPI settings on the fly between modes and getting higher resolutions (full screen) on the Lapdock.
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Does anyone have the Motorola Atrix Lapdock? If so can you connect the Razr HD to it? I just picked one up online for 40 bucks and am curious.
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To answer the OP's actual question, Yes you can connect it. It takes a bit of tinkering though. You have to dissasemble the dock part and revers the direction of the usb and hdmi ports. The lapdock will only function as a mirrored display + keyboard/mouse. It works none the less. I am sure the webtop app is redundant at this point in time due to the convergence of androids desktop like features.
The display itself is a bit washed out but a great buy if you want a bit more screen real estate while traveling for netflix, hulu movies etc.
Also, If you are saavy and they are in stock, you can go to radio shack and pick these up for $9.97. I work at RS and have bought most of the remaining ones from our district so good luck elsewhere!
I have acquired a Driod Bionic Lapdock which mates perfectly with and charges my Photon Q. Has anyone been able to install a version of Webtop that allows them to fully utilize a Photon Q with a Lapdock? I've seen there are versions of Webtop for the Atrix available on XDA - any thoughts on whether or not that would work with my Photon Q? Thanks in advance for any input/advice!
I have the exact same situation. Can't find much of anything out there. It's sad that this phone didn't receive much interest from anyone either. Almost no dev happened/happening at all it seems. The device actually has decent guts and I'd LOVE to figure out how to put webtop on it. Or even something that will just allow the keyboard to interface with the device in mirror mode. I might actually prefer that MORE than clunky webtop but i'm sure there is more of a chance of getting webtop to work on it than that happening
Could you please help me with choice: what is better - photon q+android tablet or photon q+bionic lapdock=mirror mode?
hard to decide, because in Russia we have no lapdock, so I will order one. Is it usable in mirror mode?i heard that with some firmware and mousepad and keyboard will work without issues.