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Hi guys,
You probably already know me from my other threads, mostly the support thread. If not, I would like to give a brief introduction: in june, I received an upgrade from at&t and decided to purchase the infuse 4g my first android phone.
I was thrilled with its performance, and the community started off strong. ROM's were coming out surprisingly fast, actually too fast for me to figure out which one I liked best.
I began to see that the developers threads were getting cluttered up with silly, often repeated questions, so I created a support thread to help lessen the load for the devs. I know it wasn't a perfect solution, but I helped build a small team of people who have been incredibly helpful so far, who I am beyond impressed with.
Now comes the bad part. Even my support thread, originally designed to avoid clutter, has become a landfill of lazy people who don't look for the answer to their question which has been asked and answered 30 times already.
All the devs have been subjected to so much bs that they are afraid to even release their work. Everyone flames everyone like crazy, but none of you guys can help the community. I am disgusted by most of your behaviors, and hope that you see how childish your arguments are.
Now, for my point: this community is still young, and we have accomplished so much already. We have the chance to have one of the strongest development teams out there, and a kick-ass community, in which we look out for each other's best interest.
I would like to propose a way to get things started again: we need a campaign to delete clutter/flame.
Neo works hard, but we need to help him out. Everyone, I urge you to look through your posts, find bad ones, and mark them in some way to be deleted. This is in order to resuscitate this potentially unbeatable community.
Thank you all, and I hope you understand my intentions
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constructive crticism welscome
Moderator's(Neo) intervention was required as gtg's thread was going out of control.
as after his intervention members have started behaving themselves and Neo has removed/locked unnecessary threads this forum is at peace.
let the dead bury the dead and do not remind people again of what happened.
Just post relevant stuff and that is sufficient for everybody.
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if issues are not resolved then it never will be as no one will accept blame and any such thread will eventually result in blame game.
right now see that people are just paying attention to information,now calling them for campaign is also a distraction.
btpd21 said:
Hi guys,
You probably already know me from my other threads, mostly the support thread. If not, I would like to give a brief introduction: in june, I received an upgrade from at&t and decided to purchase the infuse 4g my first android phone.
I was thrilled with its performance, and the community started off strong. ROM's were coming out surprisingly fast, actually too fast for me to figure out which one I liked best.
I began to see that the developers threads were getting cluttered up with silly, often repeated questions, so I created a support thread to help lessen the load for the devs. I know it wasn't a perfect solution, but I helped build a small team of people who have been incredibly helpful so far, who I am beyond impressed with.
Now comes the bad part. Even my support thread, originally designed to avoid clutter, has become a landfill of lazy people who don't look for the answer to their question which has been asked and answered 30 times already.
All the devs have been subjected to so much bs that they are afraid to even release their work. Everyone flames everyone like crazy, but none of you guys can help the community. I am disgusted by most of your behaviors, and hope that you see how childish your arguments are.
Now, for my point: this community is still young, and we have accomplished so much already. We have the chance to have one of the strongest development teams out there, and a kick-ass community, in which we look out for each other's best interest.
I would like to propose a way to get things started again: we need a campaign to delete clutter/flame.
Neo works hard, but we need to help him out. Everyone, I urge you to look through your posts, find bad ones, and mark them in some way to be deleted. This is in order to resuscitate this potentially unbeatable community.
Thank you all, and I hope you understand my intentions
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997R using XDA Premium App
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Good post!
We need to be able to rule ourselves or somebody else will!
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rohit3192 said:
i am sure that neo will close this thread as this is not required.
Moderator's(Neo) intervention was required as gtg's thread was going out of control.
as after his intervention members have started behaving themselves and Neo has removed/locked unnecessary threads this forum is at peace.
let the dead bury the dead and do not remind people again of what happened.
plz ask Neo to close this thread.
Just post relevant stuff and that is sufficient for everybody.
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Hey, thanks for sharing your opinion with me in a respectful manner. However, I feel that the issue is not yet resolved, and the general forum is definitely the appropriate place to post it. The development is virtually at a standstill and I am not talking about gtg, but the other devs and would be devs who are now discouraged. I find that although your response was polite, it was completely inappropriate, especially considering what my original post stated. If you have an issue with my posts please message in private as opposed to calling me out/ racking up your post count.
Corvette Dave said:
Good post!
We need to be able to rule ourselves or somebody else will!
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Thank you for your support! I appreciate it.
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I doubt the devs read half the crap, and know that most if the quiet folks really enjoy there work, and in no means are they scared to
release there work, but rather punish and don't release, which its necessary to shut alt of people up, can always find them on irc
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I'm glad you guys are willing to help out in getting this show on the road. This can only be done by helpful members, especially the ones who read the rules and abide by them.
I think the main issue at hand is that people tend to speak their mind too often, in situations where a moderator should intervene. The best course of action is to report a post or PM a mod (for the Infuse, that's me ) and let them know what's going on.
I'm not on the board 24/7, so I too can miss stuff. But there are ALWAYS other mods who look after the Infuse forums when I can't, so reporting is the BEST thing you can do.
About "rebooting" the community: People are already getting annoyed by the lazy, demanding types, who don't use the search and just post another question which has been asked a million times before. Well, at least if it's in the Q&A forum, it's controlled. So that's our main focus for now: get people to ask their questions there, instead of the development or general forums.
This thread can stay open, as long as it's constructive criticism. All ideas are welcome, as long as it helps us out, right?
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This thread can stay open, as long as it's constructive criticism. All ideas are welcome, as long as it helps us out, right?
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Neo just as you posted this I was editing my post in this thread.
I was concerned that this thread doesn't become a place for blaming other members or finding faults of others.as long as this stands for supporting devs my vote is there.
Right now I think forum is going well
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About "rebooting" the community: People are already getting annoyed by the lazy, demanding types, who don't use the search and just post another question which has been asked a million times before. Well, at least if it's in the Q&A forum, it's controlled. So that's our main focus for now: get people to ask their questions there, instead of the development or general forums.
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I wasn't aware that there was a Q&A forum until you mentioned it. I'm using the xda app and have the SAMSUNG Infuse 4g as my favorite, but within that category, the Q&A forum isn't listed. I clicked onto the forum tab and scrolled till I found the Q&A forum. Yeah people can search for it, but I wasn't even aware that forum existed. I just suggest adding the forum into the Infuse 4g category. I think there will be less questions asked in the wrong section if it was listed.
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I am guilty of posting topics that I know have been disgust before, the issue that I have and others I'm sure is that the search feature from the app seems to search the entire forum. I think it would be great if a filter feature could be added.
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nash2000 said:
I am guilty of posting topics that I know have been disgust before, the issue that I have and others I'm sure is that the search feature from the app seems to search the entire forum. I think it would be great if a filter feature could be added.
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I will flag this to our admins, so it can be looked into. Thanks for your feedback.
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I wasn't aware that there was a Q&A forum until you mentioned it. I'm using the xda app and have the SAMSUNG Infuse 4g as my favorite, but within that category, the Q&A forum isn't listed. I clicked onto the forum tab and scrolled till I found the Q&A forum. Yeah people can search for it, but I wasn't even aware that forum existed. I just suggest adding the forum into the Infuse 4g category. I think there will be less questions asked in the wrong section if it was listed.
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My app shows the Q&A section. But it didn't until I reinstalled. Had to reinstall it after I put CM7 on.
To get the new subforum to show on the app you have to re-add the infuse forum to your favorites.
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apallohadas said:
To get the new subforum to show on the app you have to re-add the infuse forum to your favorites.
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Indeed. Unsubscribe and then resubscribe.
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Indeed. Unsubscribe and then resubscribe.
Sent from my Infuse using my fingers.
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Heh well that worked. Thank you.
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NeoS2007 said:
I'm glad you guys are willing to help out in getting this show on the road. This can only be done by helpful members, especially the ones who read the rules and abide by them.
I think the main issue at hand is that people tend to speak their mind too often, in situations where a moderator should intervene. The best course of action is to report a post or PM a mod (for the Infuse, that's me ) and let them know what's going on.
I'm not on the board 24/7, so I too can miss stuff. But there are ALWAYS other mods who look after the Infuse forums when I can't, so reporting is the BEST thing you can do.
About "rebooting" the community: People are already getting annoyed by the lazy, demanding types, who don't use the search and just post another question which has been asked a million times before. Well, at least if it's in the Q&A forum, it's controlled. So that's our main focus for now: get people to ask their questions there, instead of the development or general forums.
This thread can stay open, as long as it's constructive criticism. All ideas are welcome, as long as it helps us out, right?
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Thanks for your support. Is there a way we could mark our bad posts to be deleted without reporting ourselves?
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I think alot of people like myself are new android users. I knew nothing 3 months ago about Android then I got the infuse my first smartphone which seems like its a lot of peoples first android. So I admit I posted questions then went and found the answer when I got no replies. I think people just need to understand that this is very fresh for a lot of people. It was ridiculous on gtg's post but on the other hand people got so angry at othrs that knew very little.
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ZeroIsntTheHero said:
Indeed. Unsubscribe and then resubscribe.
Sent from my Infuse using my fingers.
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You don't even have to unsubscribe just subscribe again (referring to the xda app)
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And I think another reason why we see a lot of similar topics being posted especially regarding support is because new users (like myself) feel we need support about our specific situation, even tho we may have already read a similar thrend. Its happened to me were I posted help and either ill get a smart reply ie "its been posted 10 times already" or they may reply with a link. The link will be exactly what I've already read but, the thrend doesn't 100% pertain to my situation so I'm afraid I may mess up even more if I follow those steps (its actually already happened,my first brick) This is why we may see a lot of repeat thrends. I usually will encourage my support giver to pm me but I hardly receive any.
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Why not have a separate section for rom support? I realize that sounds goofy but in the rom thread could be development related questions and in support section help and tech support?
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Well, xda-developers is for... DEVELOPERS. Although most people on xda are in it for the custom roms and leeching of apps.
I agree there should be some kind of a "noob sandbox" where new users can ask their questions and get answers from more seasoned users/devs. But how do you guys propose we do that?
Why can't MIUI Roms be posted posted in here?
I think its because MIUI doesnt want it posted any where but the MIUI site. had the same problem at the G2x threads.. but someone managed to get a thread and link up and keep it up, some how..lol
They can be posted, just not the one from Trip as he's banned from here
Yes, as the poster above me has stated, this ROM is not allowed on XDA, I have to close the threads referring to MIUI, he has expressly asked that it not be posted on XDA.
I am not allowed to let it on unless he has given permission, if memberskeeep posting this it is violating our rules meaning that I have to give out a lot of infractions. If he gives permission, I will happily re-open these thread if this is OK with the Admins.
If anyone has any questions, send me a PM or let me know in here
Thanks Guys
BW
I'm running it now!!!!!! Been looking for a good Sensless rom and MIUI has just fitted the bill nicely
Badwolve1 said:
Yes, as the poster above me has stated, this ROM is not allowed on XDA, I have to close the threads referring to MIUI, he has expressly asked that it not be posted on XDA.
I am not allowed to let it on unless he has given permission, if memberskeeep posting this it is violating our rules meaning that I have to give out a lot of infractions. If he gives permission, I will happily re-open these thread if this is OK with the Admins.
If anyone has any questions, send me a PM or let me know in here
Thanks Guys
BW
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This only applies to the port by Trip though right, any other MIUI port is allowed? There are a couple of ports for the Desire S:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1194397
ems328i said:
This only applies to the port by Trip though right, any other MIUI port is allowed? There are a couple of ports for the Desire S:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1194397
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Yes, Trip has asked us specifically not to allow his ROM on here, other MIUI roms that are not by him are fine, and his is also fine if he says that it is allowed on here
BW
Wait.. So if I want to download MIUI for my phone, where do I find it? The MIUI site doesn't list Sensation in the devices list, and the links here have been removed..
Google it - it's not hard if you know the site Paul O'Brien runs...
And MIUI have said they are probably going to do an official version for the Sensation soon
EddyOS said:
Google it - it's not hard if you know the site Paul O'Brien runs...
And MIUI have said they are probably going to do an official version for the Sensation soon
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I wait for this. I try some of ver but have some serious bug on my sensation!
He's kicked out some real kick ass ROMs in a short period of time. MIUI is running VERY well. Totally worth it.
Something tells me that Trip has no problems with his ROM being posted on XDA (with all credits to him, of course), but that's only me, I won't talk instead of him. Too bad because his ROM is faster than any other around here, even it is still beta. Come on people, let's make a deal here and enjoy our Sensations
markoko1 said:
Something tells me that Trip has no problems with his ROM being posted on XDA (with all credits to him, of course), but that's only me, I won't talk instead of him. Too bad because his ROM is faster than any other around here, even it is still beta. Come on people, let's make a deal here and enjoy our Sensations
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AFAIK Trip had no problems with the thread here at XDA and just didn't want mirrors posted, seeing as the thread was just a link to his original thread and seeing as he okay'd it, I don't know why the thread was closed down anyway.
Can you give me the link for the miui rom by Paul O'Brien please?
Thanks
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BonesRed said:
AFAIK Trip had no problems with the thread here at XDA and just didn't want mirrors posted, seeing as the thread was just a link to his original thread and seeing as he okay'd it, I don't know why the thread was closed down anyway.
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I'm pretty sure he does mind. Quote from his current thread on Modaco:
Dont misunderstand me, i dont have a problem with sharing it, i do have a problem with sharing it to a place that kills everything that have something to do with me. That is not how a community should be. Even users who support me there get bashed, they are going to wrong way there.. They always had a great community where you could learn alot and everyone was excepted in there own ways.
There where alot of users helping each other, now the mods control the place on there personal likings. And people just take whatever they need to get more attention then another.
I want to help as much as i can, but giving everything for free to a community that fights against me.. no sorry thats a no go.
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Source: http://android.modaco.com/topic/346...199-released/page__view__findpost__p__1802749
xnpu said:
I'm pretty sure he does mind. Quote from his current thread on Modaco:
Source: http://android.modaco.com/topic/346...199-released/page__view__findpost__p__1802749
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This isn't going to go anywhere so I will basically just chime in since this has greatly affected me personally. Trip basically is unhappy how users such as myself get trashed for even mentioning his ROM, on XDA. I basically was trying to help a user yesterday, and I mentioned I was using Trips ROM, but was going to offer my help with an installation of an app he had an issue with. I posted a link to that app, and instead of the moderators here seeing I was NOT posting any links to the ROM, but rather to an app, I was trashed by several users saying that I should know better, and then was forced to delete references. I never posted any direct link to Modaco nor his ROM. The link was to an app, I simply googled. Suffice it to say, after posting more than 3100 threads here and helping out literally with 100's of users over the last two years with my Nexus one and now Sensation, I probably at least in the near term will basically help over at Modaco and move on for a while from here. The attitudes of many here totally sour the situation. Especially on a phone that has lack support for so long and has finally gotten to the point of enjoyment with development, past the same old same old copies of Sense Roms we see here from day one. All the developers here brag they have the fastest, slickest, ad nauseum same old Sense ROMs that for the most part are just clones of each other. Sure, I might be offending a lot of the hard working OPs here and I will say I'm sorry I had to make such a statement, since I know a lot of hard work goes into any of this. But now we finally are seeing CM7, and MIUI opening up on the Sensations doorstep and because of the piss and moaning going on here with Trip over issues from the past, we end up with being either near banned, threatened with points actions, told we must delete references that have zero to do with his ROM, but they are afraid that some will just "think" that there are links. The hysteria after yesterday really left a sour taste in my mouth and many other fellow long time XDAers I speak with all the time, that have all basically PMed me stating they could NOT believe how I basically was trashed on a thread here.
Anyways, just wanted to speak my peace. This is NOT on a development thread so hopefully I won't have threats coming at me for speaking my peace. The actions here only hurt a community as a whole.
http://android.modaco.com/topic/346...a-sensational-s002b199-released/page__st__260
You can read there " the thread by t0ny0 in the xda development area is the useful one" ... Does anyone need more proof that he in fact didnt mind the idea of his rom being here?
And even with that - thread was closed. Not cool.
We have the proof that he approves, and still closed...
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Closing the threads just cuz he got banned. Wow. His rom is by far way better than others. MIUI all day everyday!! signature!!!
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Badwolve1 said:
If he gives permission, I will happily re-open these thread if this is OK with the Admins.
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and his is also fine if he says that it is allowed on here
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Pretty sure THIS negates any reason for deleting t0ny0's thread in the first place.
edit* side note, miui goes against the entire spirit of cm by kanging cm source then redistributing it closed. i think it should be banned completely.
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Pretty sure THIS negates any reason for deleting t0ny0's thread in the first place.
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Thaaaank you...
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Remember I am not a moderator. I am only here to help!
Hi all,
As you all know we have a very nice collection of ROMS here in this section of XDA. And I must say, I love it and I will continue testing ROMS and kernels.
It is amazing how this section has grown. And more ROMS and developers are comming here to share their work.
However, every single thread I see people asking:
ETA's
Battery life
Will this work, will that work
Can you please add.....
When will you update this ROM with this base etc..
These things are not on the right place here.
As you all know we also don't have an own Q&A and General subforum like the Samsung Galaxy S / S Advance. I do understand why you put these questions here. It's the I9001 subforum.. But these questions are not on the right place here.
So we made these threads ourselfs:
[Q&As][REQs][etc]Q&A, REQ, PLEASE POST HERE!
Samsung Galaxy S Plus I9001 General
Samsung Galaxy S Plus I9001 Q&A
Yes I know these threads are somewhat chaotic. But, these threads are for us and our beloved phone.
I think we need some basicrules in here. Remember one important thing THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT SECTION OF THE SAMSUNG GALAXY S PLUS AKA ARIESVE AKA I9001.
Da rulez:
Read the XDA Rules: Link
Do not ask for ETA's (ETA stands for Estimated Time of Arrival)
Do not ask the developer to update the ROM with the newest base. If he/she has time it will be done. (it is not a must!!)
Do not ask the same thing in every thread (so if you ask something about a governor ask this in one kernel thread not in three)
Try before you ask. If you want to know something about a ROM read the thread, try and then ask.
Always read the instructions given bij the OP/Developer
Do not spam the thread. Trolling is funny I know but it has nothing to do with development. (WE NEED AN OFF TOPIC THREAD HERE :silly: )
If you have an important bug to report. Make a logcat.
Before posting anything, you must use the SEARCH button at the top of the webpage.
Respect each other. This is important. We all started as noobs as explaind here: Link
Use English when you are posting something here. If you are sending a private message to someone with the same language as you it's fine to use it. But post in English please.
If you are a new member here then please take a look here: Link
If you see something completly unfair/ against the rules / disrespectfull or whatever. Please use the report button it has an !
As a senior member of XDA I wish you good luck here. Happy flashing/modding/tweaking.
Cheers
Mrjraider
Reserved (if possible)
This behaviour cannot be changed now...it's too late...
If we should have sub-forum for our device, things would probably be different.
TwinHeadedEagle said:
This behaviour cannot be changed now...it's too late...
If we should have sub-forum for our device, things would probably be different.
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We just must ask admin's for forum to our phone. We have a really nice number of users and new roms, threads here. Why we don't try?
Harrocan said:
We just must ask admin's for forum to our phone. We have a really nice number of users and new roms, threads here. Why we don't try?
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I did. A while ago. I sent a message to Whisky01 and he said it will be discussed.. But I havent heard from him ever since.
AW: [IMPORTANT][INFORMATION]Da Rulez
In my opinion opening a topic for general things, will lead into a complete mess, because everyone wants to post questions to a different Rom or topic. So I would support these subforums i9000 users have for our phone.
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Okay, before we get any discussion I want to explain why I made this thread.
As we all know this community is huge, our section is getting bigger and bigger. New ROMS, Kernels and developers.
We also get new users who wants to help and got questions. For me as a newbie 7 months ago it was hard to get answers and solutions for my problems. I was hoping I got my 10 postcount as soon as possible so that I could participate in the development section. Back then I was very noob and was helping and answering where ever I could and that lead to problems and random posts/discussions. To prevent suchs issues I create this topic to get the basic rules of XDA easy explaind in one simple topic. I refer to the original rules and topics made by moderators and admins. But still, this thread is easy to read (at least I hope )
Another reason for this thread is this:
I see comments like this:
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When will you update this ROM
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Any news????
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When are you releasing a fix
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Etc etc.
These comments are annoying, and in particular the +1 comments.. I hate them, and they fill the topic for no reason.
I also want to prevent "problems". Problems like spamming and misunderstanding.
These rules are in no way against anything on XDA. If you as user got any problems with this topic or even me. Sent me a PM please.
TwinHeadedEagle said:
This behaviour cannot be changed now...it's too late...
If we should have sub-forum for our device, things would probably be different.
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What do you mean??
I said that it's hard to learn an old dog something...
Samsung Galaxy Mini has it's own forum, and has 2 time less topics...
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I said that is hard to learn an old dog something...
Samsung Galaxy Mini has it's own forum, and has 2 times less topics...
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Jup thats true.
I think I make a poll to show to the moderator/admins to get our own subforum
Wrong threat
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This is no discussion thread! These are the XDA rules, if you want to stay here, follow them, if you dont follow them, leave. Theres nothing to discuss about.
Also, we asked for a i9001 forum multiple times, i dont get why they dont do **** about that. Its annoying as hell everything is mixed with i9000 things. I saw a guy who flashed a i9001 kernel on his 9000 because he thought the 9001 kernel are the "new ones".
For gods sake even the GS Advance has his own forum....whats the matter?
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Maybe it's a lot of work now for mods to move all threads, and because of that they don't wanna give us our own forum...
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TwinHeadedEagle said:
Maybe it's a lot of work now for mods to move all threads, and because of that they don't wanna give us our own forum...
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So they can give moderator to any developer on this forum, ex. broodplank, or someone else. I think we can move threads at us own. Only baricade is ... we don't have forum...
I have an idea. It's a little annoyng but we all can report this post to mod's with reason ex. "We want to have forum for our phone, please, read that topic". But OP must insert info about that in 1st post. What do you think about that?
we need to vote for a new forum and show them the votes (just to say that we are a lot and we want it)
Guys guys guys, this.topic.of.us getting a new forum has been discussed many times in the past, all with the negative ans frm mods.
The mods may not want to start this again.
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Aldokazer said:
Guys guys guys, this.topic.of.us getting a new forum has been discussed many times in the past, all with the negative ans frm mods.
The mods may not want to start this again.
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In my eyes is this bulls**. Even the lowend devices placed under legacy and low activity have their own forum. There is absolutly no reason to give our phone not an own place...
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Please stop this discussion, I doubt we get our own place so stop it...
Please go ontopic again..
mrjraider said:
In my eyes is this bulls**. Even the lowend devices placed under legacy and low activity have their own forum. There is absolutly no reason to give our phone not an own place...
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Please stop this discussion, I doubt we get our own place so stop it...
Please go ontopic again..
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And you try to tell this to the moderators.
And yes, let's get back to the topic.
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XDA Forums generally have bad organization and very bad moderation. They are here only to punish you...
I am and was mod/supermod on many Tech Forums in my country, the biggest has 300.000 members, and it's organization is 100 times better then this. I had hundreds of posts, and know how good forum work. A lot sub-forums for better member orientation, gentle and kind mods who always have advice for you how to be better, and not warnings...
That's why simple members treat them with respect and not with arogance...
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TwinHeadedEagle said:
XDA Forums generally have bad organization and very bad moderation. They are here only to punish you...
I am and was mod/supermod on many Tech Forums in my country, the biggest has 300.000 members, and it's organization is 100 times better then this. I had hundreds of posts, and know how good forum work. A lot sub-forums for better member orientation, gentle and kind mods who always have advice for you how to be better, and not warnings...
That's why simple members treat them with respect and not with arogance...
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What? Punish? Do you even know how many people have an.account here? 300.000 is maybe the point on the i here at xda.
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To be honest, I dont see a moderator here very often. I believe (and this may be wrong) that they are only moderating the populair devices:
Samsung Galaxy SII/SIII HTC One X/X+ etc.. Our device is not so populair....
But please stop this discussion, this is not going to end..
They weren't only used to discuss availability. Very bad over moderating, tut tut. Please unlock uk thread or direct me to uk specific thread which discusses new colour and 32gb/64gb availability, carrier specific questions, where to find good uk deals, uk firmware, etc......all in one place.
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I agree, found it quite useful for local information,
I understand some of the reasoning behind it but even if they were becoming too big to find information, someone could just post their region specific question in that thread and one of the regular visitors would help out. Saves another new thread being started. Plus they are a great way to track regional changes and progress of the life of the gs4 in a specific country, if you has time to read start to finish.
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Enough said OP, totally agree with you. I hope moderators would change their mind.
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Simple, you just don't argue with moderators.. They possess the power to send you on a nice vacation.
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Totally agreed. They were extremely useful.
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It wasn't completely off topic, the Australian one was in discussion of a few things, one I was following was the best modem for the Optus carrier
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Simple, you just don't argue with moderators.. They possess the power to send you on a nice vacation.
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This isn't North Korea, I am sure the moderators can accept constructive, opinions and the requests from users of this forum. This isn't trolling, this is a genuine sentiment which is going to be shared by other users. They were useful threads for those who followed them.
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This isn't North Korea, I am sure the moderators can accept constructive, opinions and the requests from users of this forum. This isn't trolling, this is a genuine sentiment which is going to be shared by other users. They were useful threads for those who followed them.
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Obviously you'll have people thinking otherwise and I think I'm one of them. They were cluttering the general section.
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Obviously you'll have people thinking otherwise and I think I'm one of them. They were cluttering the general section.
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Then say that, not rhetoric about being banned. In response to clutter, far better have region specific threads than new ones each time one provider gets updated and another doesn't, or three threads excitedly taking about a new gs4 model released in a certain country. It does the exact opposite of clutter
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The thread opened again, si XDA is not North Korea then LOL
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Obviously you'll have people thinking otherwise and I think I'm one of them. They were cluttering the general section.
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if cluttering is the issue then it can be put into a rolling sticky inside a single thread isnt it?
Its advantages overcome the disadvantages to be frank, say for example
*if i were about to ask a question related to free sview covers samsung is providing in india where should i ask for the progress ,status and opinions?
* if a service provider in india has issues with s4 , say its temporarily down where can i ask for the opinion,status etc?
* If there is a new user coming into the thread and if he/she can see their country thread they feel like home and they can ask for questions or atleast move a bit social.
More can be said, but i dont want to make it biggy , I still beleive the moderation commitee will have fair hearing once again. But whatever the final verdict, its upto them to decide
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For bala (and continuing further )...
I used to go directly to Indian Offic.....thread to know the updates, accessories, availability, roms, and other regional info ...but now after closing these ...i am feeling stranded.....
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Please suggest me if i want to know/discuss about the exact price of galaxy s4 in India/Australia/Etc ..then where should i go......if i am planing to visit UK THEN wouldn UK specfic thread be more useful to clear doubts... ...or in such conditions should i open new topic for this???...no way
I think ...after this action...there is more chance of new threads to be opened for small querries..every second..this may cause more cluttering which will need more thread cleaning process...
I Politely request Moderators to consider little bit attention about my opinion...
Thanks XDA & @LL
Please re open the Brazilian Thread.... We change a lot of useful information there!
Thanks!
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I understand some of the reasoning behind it but even if they were becoming too big to find information, someone could just post their region specific question in that thread and one of the regular visitors would help out. Saves another new thread being started. Plus they are a great way to track regional changes and progress of the life of the gs4 in a specific country, if you has time to read start to finish.
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This!! This alone made the region specific threads worth it. Please bring them back
You only have to look at the numbers of replies in the Ireland/UK topic to understand it was heavily used where a number of members would come to find out any info on their area phones.
I personally found it of great value and am very surprised it was closed without any other topic of it's kind being brought into use....
The trouble is by closing this one single topic it will in turn now create many, many other topics of greater problematic use.
I've owned all the Samsung models (S1, S2, S3, S3 4g and now S4) and country specific threads have been around for all of them.
I followed the Aussie threads for all those models. It will be a pain now searching for all Aussie related info. One thread will now become a hundred.
Why this decision now?
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Moderator should understand what needed and not.dont just simply closing thread that lot of views and comment.its mean the threat is usefull.check out other threat like s2.note.note2...they also having country specific threat and stil not closing by their moderator.i m not complaining bout moderator decision but this time i think this is not a right decision...with specific country threat..new comer and new bie easily asking for other member from their country coz its more friendly to them.others thing..every country have their own internet network provider,not same so in country specific threat they can discuss about it.hope moderator thinking again bout their decision.ty
Soooooo, any chance of unlocking the UK/IRE thread...
+1 on this this is where we discuss region specific releases. Philippines thread has a healthy topic
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Sorry guys.... As another dev shuts up shop due to users/noobs that don't read opening posts or explain the bugs they having.
Custom roms will soon be a thing of the pass.
I for one knows how much time/effort goes into making a rom. It's no easy task. The amount of flashing/bricking to bring roms to us.
All the roms on xda are free but if this continues then devs may start charging for their roms (maybe not on xda but who knows) Wouldn't blame them really though.
All users need to understand if we don't have devs on Android. Then basically we will end up like iPhone users that are locked down. We should be grateful for all devs that brings us root without it then no custom roms would exist.
Do the Android community wanna end up like iPhone? I doubt it very much.
Respect the devs
Read the first post, search the thread! All answers are there. This excuse "I searched but couldn't find anything" is BS basically.
We will lose them all eventually.
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Post of the month!
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As much as I agree, this is flogging a dead horse
Until you can change the impatient 'fix it now, I refuse to read the first post post anyway, that bits not important' mentality of the average user, nothing will change
I agree. most users in this community are selfish. most likely they demand fix this please, when's the next update, port it please, comparing their work to another's hard work, flaming and so on.
they neither try to read back the thread or use the search function. or has no clue with the forum rules. it's a sad thing but yeah it's here. it's really a sad thing but there's nothing we can do unless they learn to respect the free work devs have put into their work. people should realize devs are doing it on their spare time on their own will to share to people for users to enjoy for free.
Agree
I was hoping to find a thread like this and I totally agree with you.
But maybe that is not the end cause I think that the devs will still love what they do just that they try not to address certain people.
As great as the idea of XDA is and as much as I'm happy that this awesome forum exists..I think that it should be talked/discussed about the forum rules!!!
Example:
How can it be possible that you become senior member with 100 posts?
This leads to flaming in some cases and is no way near related on how helpful you are
The process in being allowed to post
While some are annoyed that they can't discuss right after logging the first time....for others it is way to simple to join and flame.
Rules enforcement
We all know that some posts we make are not related to the devices...and I think that this shouldn't be seen as an issue in general...XDA to me is also a communication page as long as the dev doesn't have a problem with it... BUT being disrespectful to the work you receive for free and claiming bugs where there are reported to be none and most important refusing to read should be looked after more often.
At last I really don't want to criticize XDA or what it stands for cause I still love it... I just hope it stays what it was created for and won't loose the devs which are doing so many awesome things for us because some people just can't follow the rules and be thankful for what they get
Maybe some new rules when people sign up?like private reference or something?but then again that would drop Ads revenue of this site drasticly
Unfortunately it's fact that most of the users are never happy enough with the things they get FOR FREE. They don't see the hard work of the devs behind a custom ROM. They only see what they have on their phones, and if there's something they don't like, they complain and blame the dev. And the fact that many users don't read instructions or simple informations gives the devs more work. They have to watch their thread 24 hours a day and always be friendly and helpful. If that's not given, some users become rude. My favorite thread was closed this morning because of such stupidity. The dev pulls his heart and soul in his project and gets more negative than positive feedback. That's not fair.
@4aces: you know what thread I'm talking about, i think you agree, it's a sad sad day for us.
Exactly @speedwayfan75 that why I had to voice my rant over that thread. And @DSA same for your thread too shut due to some users. Black box was great used on s3 then got discontinued on s4
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So you are announcing the end of the custom ROMs, because of some impatient noobs, who have always been around and probably always will be? Are you for real?
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So you are announcing the end of the custom ROMs, because of some impatient noobs, who have always been around and probably always will be? Are you for real?
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Did I day that :banghead:
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In my opinion it's also the fault of XDA in general.
Just take a look in the Q&A section. So many question that have been anwsered before, so many people that just won't read.
In my opinion every thread that doesn't have a decent opening post should be closed untill they put some effort in it. But the more users XDA gets, the more money they make. So the skill level will only keep lowering and then some other decent website opens and replaces XDA.
Users just get to much space to do anything they want. I'm not blaming the mods in any way, because I think they are doing a good job. People higher up the ladder should take action or XDA will go down true their own succes.
I agree that there are many noob who do not read the post before replying.
But every boby was a noob before no?
just give them a chance to become good Android users...
PS: sorry for my english, i'am french !
You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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Its not as simple as that
If I create a development thread and include all relevant info in the first post, which is then populated with nothing but questions that are answered in the first post it makes it incredibly hard to find any proper posts which could contribute to the rom or for me to help a genuine user having issues
I created a specific q&a thread for these types of posts and everyone ignored it and filled up my dev thread instead
XDA has a chronic problem with users atm, I can't explain it or understand it, but I'm seeing more and more devs close their threads because of the users populating it
Have a read of the gravitybox thread in the xposed section...its unbelievable..
ETA: just had a read of the echorom thread...check @friedrich420 last posts in there..I feel for him as I know exactly how he feels
Users should be understanding about this. I think XDA should double the number of moderators so that useless posts are deleted on regular basis. For developers; they should create a third post on their ROM topic, that has a big list of all FAQs in bold.
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You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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I agree. I'm not sure if Devs will start charging, to be honest I'd probably pay, But anyways.... I work in Service Management for a Global IT company, and this behaviour is pretty standard when you are dealing with this many users..
I for one respond ONCE and the ignore users that make demands or unreasonable requests or are just plain offensive or rude.
What makes it worse though is the number of more experienced users that actually reply to these people in the thread. Honestly is some threads they have doubled the useless post count! Now, before I get flamed, I have done it myself because its just plain RUDE!!! But it doesn't take every 'good' user to flame back or stick up for the dev or say not to ask for ETAs! Just once will do and then ignore them!
If you ask any service professional or SixSigma bod, they will say 'focus on the good users and ignore the bad'.
Please please though reading multiple posts from good users responding to bad users is just as annoying as having to read the original bad post.
Peace Out People!
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Its not as simple as that
If I create a development thread and include all relevant info in the first post, which is then populated with nothing but questions that are answered in the first post it makes it incredibly hard to find any proper posts which could contribute to the rom or for me to help a genuine user having issues
I created a specific q&a thread for these types of posts and everyone ignored it and filled up my dev thread instead
XDA has a chronic problem with users atm, I can't explain it or understand it, but I'm seeing more and more devs close their threads because of the users populating it
Have a read of the gravitybox thread in the xposed section...its unbelievable..
ETA: just had a read of the echorom thread...check @friedrich420 last posts in there..I feel for him as I know exactly how he feels
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I thank you from the bottom of my heart!! I know if anyone can understand is you my man!! I create a basic custom rom at best (and kernels lately). You create the most awesome rom i have ever used!! Way way over my head!! And you get the same treatment?? Its really not worth it!! People (im not generalizing because there are some EXCEPTIONAL USERS who deserve recognition) dont get (or dont want to get) what it takes to create a masterpiece like yours for example...
Thank you and my wish is that we will see you back!!
But one thing is for sure, something has to change...
It seems that people value something only if they have to pay for it... Im not say this should happen here but something that protects us (the creators/ providers of roms. kernels, recoveries, mods, apps etc etc) for the **** we get should be put in place... Some kind of mechanism that protects spamming and protects flaming... Something with more success than the current measures we have in place now...
Also THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR YOUR SUPPORT and opening this thread is a good thing!!
It needs to stay up and we need to make it into a "brainstorming pool" of ways to make sure devs who do this for free (therefore they do it because they love sharing) are protected...
How to stop stupid questions?
Firstly if devs want to be paid then good for them. Whatever they get it wont be enough. This might leave some users feeling empowered though - they would feel they were owed answers as they had paid "where is my promised bug fix you lazy asshole!". And we don't want that. So how about a testers thread for each ROM were the dev controls who can post and a general thread for each ROM were you have to pay to post ($0.20). It would encourage only real questions after peole have searched.
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How to stop stupid questions?
Firstly if devs want to be paid then good for them. Whatever they get it wont be enough. This might leave some users feeling empowered though - they would feel they were owed answers as they had paid "where is my promised bug fix you lazy asshole!". And we don't want that. So how about a testers thread for each ROM were the dev controls who can post and a general thread for each ROM were you have to pay to post ($0.20). It would encourage only real questions after peole have searched.
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You are so so right about that!!
Thats why i would never want to sell anything here..
Can you imagine what they would do to me???
I mean i get abuse from offering free stuff for so many devices... can you imagine making money for it? People would think im their slave...
goodgood hahahahhahah
stevendeb25 said:
Sorry guys.... As another dev shuts up shop due to users/noobs that don't read opening posts or explain the bugs they having.
Custom roms will soon be a thing of the pass.
I for one knows how much time/effort goes into making a rom. It's no easy task. The amount of flashing/bricking to bring roms to us.
All the roms on xda are free but if this continues then devs may start charging for their roms (maybe not on xda but who knows) Wouldn't blame them really though.
All users need to understand if we don't have devs on Android. Then basically we will end up like iPhone users that are locked down. We should be grateful for all devs that brings us root without it then no custom roms would exist.
Do the Android community wanna end up like iPhone? I doubt it very much.
Respect the devs
Read the first post, search the thread! All answers are there. This excuse "I searched but couldn't find anything" is BS basically.
We will lose them all eventually.
Rant over.
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friedrich420 said:
You are so so right about that!!
Thats why i would never want to sell anything here..
Can you imagine what they would do to me???
I mean i get abuse from offering free stuff for so many devices... can you imagine making money for it? People would think im their slave...
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Gasp! I donated $1!!!!! You mean I don't own you????