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I have used the backpack, really very slowwwwww with screen mirror! anyone face the same problem? Pls help!
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I have used the backpack, really very slowwwwww with screen mirror! anyone face the same problem? Pls help!
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Well, I have been saying that for ages, you are the first one who share this with me!
Yep, it is too slowwwwww with me too, but I found a little trick to avoid that!
In the Screen Mirror, go to "Refresh", set the "Predefined Settings" to "PIM, Word, Database". This will make Screen Mirror quite fast and acceptable.
If you set it to be "Photo/Presentation", then the imate will be too slowwwww, while if you set it to be "Animation" or "MPEG video", then the Screen Mirror will never work again!!! and there is no way to use it or make a presentation. I had to Hard-Reset my iamte to change the settings to "PIM, Word, Database"!!
Any way, I was able to make a prsentation on the setup of "PIM, Word, Database", but can not make the display in landscape!!, or, I can run the show in the normal portrait display, using "stretch" option in "layout" but it looks ugly!!
What did you do in this regard?
Luckily, I didn't buy the backpack that I planned to buy soon.
That means I've better to use my notebook to do presentation.
Thanks guys for your comments.
chris_khho said:
Luckily, I didn't buy the backpack that I planned to buy soon.
That means I've better to use my notebook to do presentation.
Thanks guys for your comments.
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The presentation software that comes with the backPack is fantastic. Do not confuse it with Screen Mirror which is the apllication that simply projects your entire PDA screen. Screen Mirror is certainly handy for training in PDA software applications but not used for powerpoint presentations.
One feature the BackPack presentation software has that the laptop does not is the ability to project only the presentation slides (via the lcd projector) but display both the speakers notes and the presentation slides on the screen of the PPC. I find this very handy as I use the speakers notes for questions and answers as part of my test for understanding slides.
Ed
I guess "Chris" and most users (including me) are looking for Powerpoint presentations, if you only need the BackPack for presentation, it will not help at all!! unless you need it to use CF Card!, then it might be useflul to have it, and as you "Ed" mentioned, to make a presentation about xda, to project the data, then yes, it is good to have as well.
Note that Windows 2003SE (2nd Edition) has good features that will help in presentations! (the Landscape View and 640X480 resolution)! I am waiting for it to update my imate and then try BackPack for presentation once again!
Sorry GoldenSands I don't understand
I think the backPack works great for powerpoint presentations, that's the main thing I use it for. I have the presentations saved either on an SD card or a CF if I have to take a lot of large files. But even from the SD or main memory the presentation software works a treat. The backpacks battery is smaller but it does prolong battery life and that is a bonus too. Without the BackPack I cannot use my XDA II for presentations.
What do you mean
if you only need the BackPack for presentation, it will not help at all!!
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Sorry not trying to be silly I just miss your point.
Ed
Dear Ed, may be I did not express my thoughts very well. When I did a presentation using the backpack, I had the following problems:
1- Imate is slow.
2- Presnetation is in portrate, not in landscape (as normal Power Point presentation).
3- Small size (small resolution) not in 640X480.
4- If I use Stretch Option (to get large projection), then quality is poor.
Now, taking above points into consideration, presentaion done through backpack is not powerful and I can not do any presentaion, although I need it badly, I do about 3 to 4 presentaions a week!
That's what I meant by buying it for presentaions (to do Powerpoint ones) will not help since I have to design the Powerpoint presentation in certain size to fit the backpack limitations.
My questions:
1- Are you able to make the presentaion in Landscape?
2- Were you able to use 640X480 resolution?
3- How fast is your imate or xda2 when you use Speed Mirror?
4- What is the version of Speed Mirror you have? (mine is Ver 2.01)
5- In VGA Refresh Settings, do you set it to be "PIM, Word, Database"? or something else?
Regarding the battery, I agree with you, it is a small added value component (600 mAm) only, but it is good to have any way.
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My questions:
1- Are you able to make the presentaion in Landscape?
2- Were you able to use 640X480 resolution?
3- How fast is your imate or xda2 when you use Speed Mirror?
4- What is the version of Speed Mirror you have? (mine is Ver 2.01)
5- In VGA Refresh Settings, do you set it to be "PIM, Word, Database"? or something else?
Regarding the battery, I agree with you, it is a small added value component (600 mAm) only, but it is good to have any way.
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OK, seems like you do things different than me.
Firstly I do not use ScreenMirror for presentations, I use ClearVue Presentation Suite v2.3.377 which came on the CD with my backpack.
Presentations work at "normal" speed with transition effects etc. And as I said earlier I do like ability to see the speakers notes on my XDA II but only project the slides to the LCD projector.
Next in answer to your questions above.
Q1. Yes (Using ClearVue)
Q2, Yes (Using ClearVue), 640 x 480 x 64k @ 85Hz or 800 x 600 x 64K @ 60Hz
Q3. As I said I do not use SpeedMirror for presentations. By the way, my Mirror application is called ScreenMirror v2.01, NOT SpeedMirror, are they different? Anyway, when I use ScreenMirror yes it can be slow but is OK for how to teach using PPC applications etc and it only operates in Portrait. I do not use it for power point slide shows.
Q4. When I use it, and that is not often, I usually have it on PIM, Word, Database. For example It has been OK on how to teach people to use SpriteBackupPremium at a PPC user group meeting. No need for landscape as it is an application to Mirror the PPC screen, that is it only projects the PPC exactly as it looks in on your hand unit. That is why it is good for teaching how to use the PPC applications.
Hope this helps.
Ed
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OK, seems like you do things different than me.
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Dear Ed,
Yep, I guess I was totally not aware about making the presentation through the ClearVue PPT directly (without using the Screen Mirror)!
I went to "Setup" / "Preferences" in ClearVue, then was surprised about the option that allows me to use External Video Adaptor! That was the reason; I was using Screen Mirror (not Speed Mirror).
Thanks for your advice, that's the benefit of this forum, we learn from each other. However, I need a little advice from you, when I choose to use the "External Video Adaptor" in ClearVue, using VGA as an Output. Then try to open a presentation, an error message appears saying "Another Presentation viewer is running, please close the other viewer and try again". While there is nothing else is running. I have even re-installed the VGA Package!
Well, one time after several trials, I got different message: "The External display is in use by another application. Would you like to continue to use the external display?" whatever I chose, nothing appears in the screen.
Note that I am making all these tests using the Monitor, not the projector, do you think this make a different?
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Yep, it helped a lot. Please let me know if you had experienced such problems with the imate and BackPack.
Thank you..
Well I'm glad my coments helped and we are both talking the same language now
I just tried using ClearVue and the backpack connected to my PC monitor rather than my LCD projector and it still worked fine for me. No errors like you mention in your post. So what you are doing should work.
I presume you tried performing a softreset with backpack and monitor connected, then before starting any other applications load clearvue, open your presentation file, then tap on the slideshow icon?
Not sure what else to suggest but please post your results.
BTW, where abouts in Saudi are you? (from your flag) I worked there for a couple of years about 7 years ago. I was in Al Jubail but managed to explore the entire country including the empty quarter. Had a great time and still have some friends there.
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Well I'm glad my coments helped and we are both talking the same language now .
I just tried using ClearVue and the backpack connected to my PC monitor rather than my LCD projector and it still worked fine for me. No errors like you mention in your post. So what you are doing should work.
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I was away for a short business trip. However, I was trying to do more tests and more research. I still get the same error, but what surprised me more today, even if I try to open any presentation using ClearVeu (selecting the option of using External VGA) while the BackPack is not attached; I still get the same error. I also connected the imate to my projector, it works OK with Screen Mirror, but never worked with the ClearVue. I did a lot of trials and restarts.
I also did a little research, and I found this useful link. But I guess I am alone getting this error!!
http://www.ppcw.net/index.php?itemid=1916
Remaining one more test to do, I will use the imate of my brother-in-low, I am going to install the Screen Mirror Software along with ClearVue (of course) and will try to run a presentation, lets see what error we get! hope it works, if so, it means then my imate (or Windows) might have a problem since BackPack works OK.
By the way, what Rom version are you using, is it 1.72 or 1.66?
ednap said:
BTW, where abouts in Saudi are you? (from your flag) I worked there for a couple of years about 7 years ago. I was in Al Jubail but managed to explore the entire country including the empty quarter. Had a great time and still have some friends there.
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That's nice, Juabial is not far from where do I live. I live now in Dhahran (almost 100Km away from Jubail). I have not been in Empty quarter or even a lot of places, except major cities in Kingdom!!
I'm using the 1.66 ROM , standard rom from when I purchased the unit. I have been happy with it so did not upgrade to another.
I'm surprised with your error and I do hope you can get it sorted out as the ClearVue really is fantastic software.
Ed
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I'm using the 1.66 ROM , standard rom from when I purchased the unit. I have been happy with it so did not upgrade to another.
I'm surprised with your error and I do hope you can get it sorted out as the ClearVue really is fantastic software.
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Mmmm, you gave me a good hint again! I will test ClearVue with BackPack and try to make a presentation on 2 imates, one with 1.72 ROM and another one with 1.66 ROM. If it worked, then will see away to downgrade mine to 1.66!! I will try to do this test ASAP. Thanks a lot dear.
Bug in ClearVue
I'm having the same bug with ClearVue with the message "another presentation viewer is running, ...".
I visited the Westtek website and found that there's an updated release of the software. They want money for the update.
I think that the whole thing is offensive. Selling an untested application is offensive, asking for more money to fix it is offensive. I wish I could throw the product back in the face of the Dubai Duty Free employee.
BTW, no one should downgrade their ROM to get one crappy application to function.
Just wondered if you guys had seen this page, on O2 site for a ClearVue update for 1.72
http://www.sourceo2.com/O2_Developers/Devices/O2_Xda_II/VGA_Backpack.htm
I don't have a backpack, so I can't test it but it might solve your problems!
HTH
Fin
Bug in ClearVue and the Expansion Pack
I tested the update and it didn't work. I wrote to club i-mate support.
I'll keep you posted on their reply.
Thanks to all for the forum.
Dear "findus", thanks a lot for the link, but as "OZK" has mentioned, it did not work, hope some one has a solution!
Replies regarding the Presentation Viewer Bug
Club i-Mate:
Thank you for writing in, I personally tested the i-mate back pack with version 1.72 and did not come up with any error messages.
Westtek:
I have not been able to reproduce the problem. Please try the following and let me know at what step you get the error message.
1. Soft reset your device
2. Open ClearVue Presentation
3. Open a Presentation file
4. Run a Slide Show on your pocket PC (without configuring external video)
5. Exit the Slide Show and exit ClearVue Presentation.
6. Plug in the backpack and open ClearVue Presentation
7. Open a Presentation file
8. Configure the External Video Adapter in ClearVue Presentation (do not open the mirror software)
9. Run a slide show
I tried the steps and the problem is still there.
Now I'm out of ways to get help and being in the Middle East, there's no way I can get my money back (no one protects consumers here).
Update to Back Pack Driver
After having denied that they had a problem with the dirver, Club i-mate have posted an update:
http://www.clubimate.com/Support/BackpackDriver.sa.CAB
They never bothered themseleves to reply to my emails, I found the update by chance.
If the above fix doesn't solve the back pack problem, try hard resetting. Hard reseting worked for me even without the updated driver.
Hey guys, I am looking for the best Rom for when it comes to using just your finger and not stylus. I hate having to take out the stylus every time I need to do something on my phone. What are your thoughts on the best Rom for this? Or maybe it would just be a stripped down rom, and you have a better program for it? Let me hear your thoughts!
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Hey guys, I am looking for the best Rom for when it comes to using just your finger and not stylus. I hate having to take out the stylus every time I need to do something on my phone. What are your thoughts on the best Rom for this? Or maybe it would just be a stripped down rom, and you have a better program for it? Let me hear your thoughts!
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You might as well get out a knife and sharpen your finger. No matter how cool the Manila 2D interface is, (or its predecessor, HTC Home), they all break down once you launch a Windows application.
To quote Pushing Daisies: "The facts are these:"
Windows CE was originally written for d-pad operation
In most Windows CE apps, you can still use a d-pad and/or softkeys in lieu of touching the screen
Core Windows apps will probably never live down the use of a stylus. My recommendation is to buy a decent quality dual-operation pen/stylus. I nearly always need a pen for something at work. As long as I don't let anyone else use it (read: steal it), it's always handy.
Currently I am using S.V.I's Hornet Manila Beta 3.8.
I am using my Wizard for internet browsing, viewing my e-mail, working on Word, Excel & Powerpoint documents, playing some games & ofcourse for speaking & messaging.
I am doing all the above with my finger & the D-pad. I use the stylus only for some games.-
hello guys, i was very sad that worms world party is not working on my Topaz device. that's why i 've decided to make simple application - keyboard - to emulate hardware keyboard my keyboard is very simple and it shows in the bottom of the screen (worms are 640*480 so there is free space on the bottom). it was made in 2 hours or something so take it as very alpha build but it works fine for me and i want to share my app with all worms fans
Install notes:
1. put keypad.exe to your topaz.
2. run keypad.exe
3. run worms world party from jamdat.. google for it
4. go to options and assign buttons to fire, jump and flip (X button is used to exit keypad at the moment).
5. play and enjoy!!
there is some flickering window title when pressing buttons. i will fix it later.
awaiting your feedback guys.
2009/08/19 EDIT: changed keypad skin and some bugs fixed.
ok, the pad with the arrow keys and stuff works fine for blackstone. However, it seems that worms does not work with wm6.5. And correct my if i'm wrong, what your app does is to 'simulate' a dpad with buttons right? so could you make one which can be configured to run alongside other games? That way we'll get more vga games running on our wvga devices.
now it's sending fake keyboard messages to worms application. but it's not a problem to make it for any other application. also i'm working on better skin and bigger buttons to make it more finger friendly. if you know a game which needs virtual keypad, tell me and i can make it. and back to worms - i'm using WM6.1 so dunno if it runs on WM6.5
i've got one, erm.. skyforce.
it works for me too - thx
what program language did u use for this? and plz make a bigger screen this is hard to use
Virtual d-pad is really good idea for games. have a nice develop.
hello again. i have updated keypad a little. new design and little bugs fixed. link is in first post.
TeDeV: i'm using c++.. it's all about winapi..
info5i2002: i've tried skyforce and it's not working good. game recieves only some of messages that keypad is sending. i need to investigate why... maybe it will be better to just let user enter name of the window to keypad application and it will send messages to that window. to play any game. i'm busy these days so be patient play worms in the meantime
Hey. If it isn't too much trouble (it isn't), can you compile a Windows CE 5.0 version? You have no idea how much this would help owners of other non-Pocket PC WinCE devices like the Mio C520 or other hacked portable nav units which lack the hardware buttons for games.
As you can see in the screenshot, the exe you posted doesn't currently run on plain Windows CE 5.0 devices. I've found that this is due to a bug/"feature" of the kernel related to buffer underrun protection and some sort of incompatablity with the compiler defaults in the WM5 SDK. It's an easy fix on your end. Just set /GS- in your projects compile settings.
see here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/8dbf701c(VS.80).aspx for more information.
Also, I had to manually lower the Windows CE os version to even get it far enough for this screenshot. Can you please set /subsystem:windowsce,4.20 in the linker command line options for future builds? Hell, make it 3.0. This sort of app will probably still run on Pocket PC 2002 (CE 3.0) or at least CE 4.2. More info here: http://windowsmobilepro.blogspot.com/2006/04/trap-of-copying-project-settings-in.html
It's simple to do and it has the added benefit of exposing your app to many more devices. I'm sure the owners of "other" buttonless 800x480 devices like the Ipaq 310 will thank you.
Also, can you look into supporting other, lower resolutions like 320x240, 400x240, 640x480 or 480x272(most WinCE nav units) or just alow it to scale to anything? It seems offscreen on a VGA PPC. How about landscape/side buttons and the ability to remap buttons? Thanks.
TFGBD: Hello. i agree with everything you wrote. sure, there is no problem to compile for CE and i also have C520. but application is not so smart at the moment to run in those resolutions. i'm afraid it works only for games that are not fullscreen and there is blank space on the screen for keypad. like worms on 480x800. but on device with 480*640 resolution i will have to overlap game window and that is the problem. when i was was writing this app it was only for worms because i love that game and it wasn't playable on TD2. i wasn't thinking about other games not even other devices and resolutions. but it is a good idea. i think i will have some time during weekend so maybe i will take a deeper look into the topic and find out something "portable". anyway, thank you for feedback if you know some mio C520 game that needs keyboard, tell me please. it may help
Heh, I didn't count on you already owning a WinCE PNA. Funny, that. Well, there's always Worms World Party... Granted, I never actually tried it on the Cx20 but I imagine its QVGA version has plenty of extra space on a 480x272 screen. That and like half of the other popular Pocket PC titles. Really, it sucks that so many of these games were hardcoded for 240x320(or upscaled VGA). It really makes them look crappy on higher resolution devices. But I guess it at least lets them leave space at the bottom of the screen for your d-pad. And yeah, you are probably right that it wouldn't be too useful on the more standard resolutions like QVGA/VGA. There are probably more widescreen devices without buttons than standard res ones anyway. Well, unless maybe you want to play 176x220 Smartphone games on a QVGA Pocket PC...
hehe, well, i'm working in mobile navigation software development company and i have around 30 different devices around i've just testet worms on GoClever 4390T device similar to C520 (480x272 @ winCE) and it runs great and there is really plenty of space left on side. ideal for my keypad.. and there is much more space than on my TD2 better for finger use. i'll give it a try on sathurday.
sused said:
hehe, well, i'm working in mobile navigation software development company and i have around 30 different devices around i've just testet worms on GoClever 4390T device similar to C520 (480x272 @ winCE) and it runs great and there is really plenty of space left on side. ideal for my keypad.. and there is much more space than on my TD2 better for finger use. i'll give it a try on sathurday.
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Oh, wonderful. Keep up the good work. I'm glad I could inspire you.
Hrm...you wouldn't happen to work for PDAMill/NavNgo, would you?
not iGO. well, it's agains forum law to make advertisment.. but if you are interested google for "aponia software" i hope admins won't kill me now. but it's not complete offtopic because you can get pretty good navigation for your device there
Not working for my HTC Fuze (WinMo 6.1)
i run keypad.exe.. nothing really happens. I only see keypad.exe on my title bar and and X button on the top right..
I run worms and I still can't select any button, either on teh touch screen, bottom or on the keyboard.. I do see some flickering though... pls help
hdaackda said:
Not working for my HTC Fuze (WinMo 6.1)
i run keypad.exe.. nothing really happens. I only see keypad.exe on my title bar and and X button on the top right..
I run worms and I still can't select any button, either on teh touch screen, bottom or on the keyboard.. I do see some flickering though... pls help
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Your device is VGA? This only works on WVGA screens, because there is empty space while running WWP (that is originally QVGA)
Not sure..
Btw, I dowload key config 1.0 from another thread and used that to save WWPSave.dat... Now I can Fire and Jump (i.e. use two buttons, volume up and down... no other is working)
Cute keypad but doesn t work with me... I don t know why i can see it in the game but it doesn t want to work ... but anyway nice to know that there are so much worms addicts
hdaackda said:
Not working for my HTC Fuze (WinMo 6.1)
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sure it doesn't work, your device is VGA not WVGA. and i think your device has a keyboard, i think you should play worms with no problem with your keyboard.
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Cute keypad but doesn t work with me...
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do you have touch diamond 2? if yes, what version of worms do you use? keypad is looking for window with "Light" in its title. it's because my worms creates window with this title. if your worms window has different title, tell me, and i will add support for your worms window.
Do you think we could make applications for our keyboard phones (WM or Android) that will allow them to sync to the PC over bluetooth and use the phone as a keyboard?
why?
One of my laptops is Windows 7 and the handwriting recognition is great. Surely I would just use a bluetooh/USB keyboard if my "slate" didn't have a keyboard.
On a side note, Slate/Pads.... is there even a market? Have they answered a question nobody asked?
NueUSBKeyboard does this via usb. I've attached the latest version.
Run the exe on your device and follow the onscreen prompts and then run it from the start menu while plugged into any pc.
dwizzy130
Monty Burns said:
why?
One of my laptops is Windows 7 and the handwriting recognition is great. Surely I would just use a bluetooh/USB keyboard if my "slate" didn't have a keyboard.
On a side note, Slate/Pads.... is there even a market? Have they answered a question nobody asked?
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I don't think there is a market for them. They'd end up costing somewhere between a phone you carry everywhere with you and a Tablet PC (the convertible kind) that works as a laptop and is more high-end.
BUT, regardless of this, I'd love to be able to use my (currently a Fuze) as a portable keyboard for numerous devices. Like the HTPC I am building, or a slate PC I might carry with me one day.
(ON a side note - I am extremely worried for the next phone I got. I tried the Droid, the keyboard is a joke. I tried to sequel to the Touch Pro, and that keyboard is decent, but a little awkward with the placement of the backspace.
My Touch Pro, the original, now that is an amazing portable keyboard. I've come to depend on it. Will I be able to adjust to a new phone if the keyboard is not as good?!? Do you guys have any experience in this?)
Hi guys!
I really really want this pad. But im scared that it wont work for what i need it.
I need it to work well with stylus and to take some notes while being on phone. I dont want to use the hardware or software keyboard, just handwriting.
Best would be to write over a pdf file (orderform) that i can send by email when im done.
Would anyone who has the pad want to show how well this screen is in this matter?
Ive searched everywhere for a week without any luck
I would also like to see or have some feedback on the possibility of note taking or adding comments to documents with a stylus.
If anyone does this I wold love to know how well it works and which stylus is recommended.
sorry for the Bump?
check out ezpdf or repligo, you can annotate on any PDF and also use freehand to write, sorry but i dont do videos and if i tried, it will be crap.
did a quick google search and have seen this for ezpdf which I use.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrntS5kc8h4
HasC said:
check out ezpdf or repligo, you can annotate on any PDF and also use freehand to write, sorry but i dont do videos and if i tried, it will be crap.
did a quick google search and have seen this for ezpdf which I use.
Thanx! What a great software on that video.
The xoom looked decent when it comes to writing with the stylus. Would you say the Transformer is as good?
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The transformers display is better than the Zoom as it uses an IPS panel and has much better viewing angles. The software itself is as demoed, one of the best tools for annotating documents and you should easily be able to fill in PDF forms with your handwriting.
If you are going to use handwritten notes then there are a few available, they are:
Handrite
Tab notes - still under development but trial available. Looks very promising.
Genial writing
With a combination of the above software and a good stylus such as a Boxwave one or one that I've ordered by Wacom called the bamboo stylus which I should be receiving on Monday, you will have the right set of tools to fulfill your requirements.