Do you think we could make applications for our keyboard phones (WM or Android) that will allow them to sync to the PC over bluetooth and use the phone as a keyboard?
why?
One of my laptops is Windows 7 and the handwriting recognition is great. Surely I would just use a bluetooh/USB keyboard if my "slate" didn't have a keyboard.
On a side note, Slate/Pads.... is there even a market? Have they answered a question nobody asked?
NueUSBKeyboard does this via usb. I've attached the latest version.
Run the exe on your device and follow the onscreen prompts and then run it from the start menu while plugged into any pc.
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why?
One of my laptops is Windows 7 and the handwriting recognition is great. Surely I would just use a bluetooh/USB keyboard if my "slate" didn't have a keyboard.
On a side note, Slate/Pads.... is there even a market? Have they answered a question nobody asked?
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I don't think there is a market for them. They'd end up costing somewhere between a phone you carry everywhere with you and a Tablet PC (the convertible kind) that works as a laptop and is more high-end.
BUT, regardless of this, I'd love to be able to use my (currently a Fuze) as a portable keyboard for numerous devices. Like the HTPC I am building, or a slate PC I might carry with me one day.
(ON a side note - I am extremely worried for the next phone I got. I tried the Droid, the keyboard is a joke. I tried to sequel to the Touch Pro, and that keyboard is decent, but a little awkward with the placement of the backspace.
My Touch Pro, the original, now that is an amazing portable keyboard. I've come to depend on it. Will I be able to adjust to a new phone if the keyboard is not as good?!? Do you guys have any experience in this?)
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I've roamed the forum and didn't found much about this possibity.
Could a wm6 ppc such as a Kaiser could be used as a bluetooth keyboard and paired with, let's say, a PS3 ?
I know there is a BT gps forwarding app (gps2blue) and so it doesn't seem totally undoable...
any thoughts ?
Have a look at http://www.mulliner.org/bluetooth/xkbdbthid.php .
I wanted to port it to wm6 but I do not have enough knowledge and experience in ppc programming. It uses GTK and Bluez and runs on linux, so I think porting it would mean rewriting mostly everything (the bluetooth part as well as the window system part).
But who knows, there are such great developers on xda-dev. Maybe someone has enough time to do this ? If so, I'm really interested.
you could use an application like TabletRemoteControlSuite of SallingClicker. they don't implement Bluetooth HID protocol, but they can be used to remotely control keyboard and mouse over bluetooth / wifi...
Thanks for the link. Sallingclicker is a nice concept but requires a host client, which is a no-no for using in non mac/pc environment.
xkbd-bthid is actually closer to what i'm looking for, sadly not running on wm6...
true, all tools I know require a 'server' application running on you computer...which can be annoying
mabye you can make over your request to Teksoft. They already made the BlueMouse application which enables your PDA to function as a real bluetooth mouse...so I guess they have enough knowledge to create a similar application for a virtual bluetooth keyboad HID, but then it will probably also be shareware instead of opensource...
EDIT: while looking thru the forum at Teksoft, I just noticed that they are already working on a Bluetooth Keyboard HID for theire program Bluemouse...http://teksoftco.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1583&highlight=keyboard
Hu...no, from what i gathered from the teksoft site, what i'm looking for is the exact opposite: pairing my kaiser AS a standard bt keyboard, not pairing it WITH one.
thanks for the link anyway.
you're right, I mixed them up...
hi,
did you already found something for wm6? I'm looking for exactly the same function.
regards
for now this is the solution which is the closest by far:
anyRemote
otherwise tuxmobil.org has some programs listed, but nothing really compareable to xkbd-bthid. sadly.
BlueTooth Windows Media Player control???
Does any one know If I can use my ppc to control windows media player remotely??
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You can try GRemote, you can connect it through ActiveSync/BT/WiFi, it can use any SIP as keyboard or the hardware keyboard (it has an option for the side of opening the hardware keyboard, for Touch Pro and TyTN II (they open in different directions)), it can be used to control WMP, and not shure about WinAmp, it can be used as TouchPad and as a GameePad. It can be used as Logitech MX Air, but your phone needs a G-Sensor.
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Does any one know If I can use my ppc to control windows media player remotely??
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Salling clicker is a really good solution for that.
i'm using it to control the mouse/media player/winamp/screen....
there are many scripts out there for this app which let you control a lot of aspects of your comp.
Gremote did not work with my device or computer. too hard to set up. spent an hour and a half before I realized that it is in the diamond section, and probably will not work for me anyway. The rest of the stuff I found is for java.
This reallly bugs me. didn't anyone at MS think about using a ppc to control wmp through activesync??? I bet they thought of it at apple.
F""K it. I give up.
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Gremote did not work with my device or computer. too hard to set up. spent an hour and a half before I realized that it is in the diamond section, and probably will not work for me anyway. The rest of the stuff I found is for java.
This reallly bugs me. didn't anyone at MS think about using a ppc to control wmp through activesync??? I bet they thought of it at apple.
F""K it. I give up.
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GRemote should work on other devices, altough without acceloremeter some parts will not work completely, but I expect the keyboard and mouse to be working. I'll try myself on my wizard this week.
Did you try Salling Clicker? Very nice tool with very good integration for windows mobile and itunes remote control. and you extend with many script from their forum.
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I need to be able to either plug my Touch Pro into the computer via USB cable which i use to sync or connect it via bluetooth by plugging in some sort of USB dongle.
Either way, I will need to be able to not have to install activesync or any other drivers. I need a plug-n-play solution.
I will be working on multiple computers which have just been re-imaged at work. I do not want to swap keyboards & mouse back and forth between them constantly; however, swapping the dongle or USB cord to my phone wouldn't be as bad. I cannot install software on these PC's to support this.
I would like to plug it in and it recognizes it as a keyboard/mouse just like it would with a real keyboard or mouse.
How would I go about doing this?? Does the Salling Clicker software support this??
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I need to be able to either plug my Touch Pro into the computer via USB cable which i use to sync or connect it via bluetooth by plugging in some sort of USB dongle.
Either way, I will need to be able to not have to install activesync or any other drivers. I need a plug-n-play solution.
I will be working on multiple computers which have just been re-imaged at work. I do not want to swap keyboards & mouse back and forth between them constantly; however, swapping the dongle or USB cord to my phone wouldn't be as bad. I cannot install software on these PC's to support this.
I would like to plug it in and it recognizes it as a keyboard/mouse just like it would with a real keyboard or mouse.
How would I go about doing this?? Does the Salling Clicker software support this??
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no it doesn"t... so far I couldn't find any application wich will work without installing some kind of 'server' on your pc, you always need a PDA and PC application. The apps which are working like this are: SallingClicker (many nice extra features for music and presentations), GRemote (freeware) and PPC Table (nice interface).
My small sony ericsson very simple mobile phone supports a bt mouse and bt keyboard interface. I don't need anything to be installed on pc (except bluetooth stack) and it will recognize my phone as if it is a standard bluetooth mouse or keyboard. Such an application would be very nice for Windows Mobile...
Hi everyone.
I have my new Touch Pro and i saw it have a "full" TouchPad under the Screen.
My question is, might it be possible to display a Mouse-courser and control it with this TouchPad?
I dont know if this is usefull.
Badly i never coded for Windows Mobile, so is someone thinking this would be a nice application and want to code something like this?
Maybe if i get this damn Microsoft Visual Express Edition running, i will try something myself.
//Edit: just like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpKQOP9LJRU
It's a good idea, the touchpad is even multi-touch capable...
hate it on i900...
could be more interesting on touch pro/diamond, since the surface is larger
Hi everyone Im using remote touch for this. take a look at that freeware on this site here. as it is a beta there is no further guide on how to use this tool. anyway figure it out for yourself. it works for me, not always but it does most of the time.
have fun
hm.
maybe you did not understand me or i dont know if remote touch can control a mouse on your PocketPC and not on your Desktop PC.
best look at the movie in my first post to get a impression how i was thinking for a use of this touchPad.
Yes, like Samsung-i900 (Omnia). It's possible?
i think it is possible (but i am really new in WinCE developing).
I have finaly succesfully installed an IDE on my Work-PC.
And i think i also found somethink to move the "mouse".
Now i only need to install the IDE on my Home PC, loading DLLs into the program and i need to look into the SDK for the TouchPad. (Badly i have read that it has only one event that reads the rotations? this would be bad.)
Of course it would be faster if someone that is a lot more experienced in WinCE developing would try it.
Hello, I was the first one to come up with this idea. Check it out here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=431522
Is it possible to make the area around the Dpad as touch buttons (touching the up button = pressing the up button, etc)? Since the Dpad is hard to press, it makes some games kinda unplayable...
Hi guys,
I'm trying to pick between the two. The main problem I'm having is whether I'll miss having a physical keyboard. As I wont be able to have a play with either of these phones before I make a purchase I want to be completely sure that I'm picking the phone I'm going to prefer.
So whats your opinion? Is the HD's keyboard suitable for you?
Do you miss playing silly small games on your HD? How are games on the Pro?
Also another important thing for me is the performance, I heard the Diamond can be quite laggy (With the Touchflow, which I plan on turning off anyway) but I would still like to know if the Pro is just as bad as the Diamond, and whether the HD is a significant improvement!
Cheers,
Luke
diamond rocks
There is a small lag , BUt it again depends on wether the ROM is a light one or a packed one . There are many out here , lighter ones ..for eg V7 , and there is one other fact about these phones , that if you do have a lot of calender enteries and contacts ...it lags a little ...
Calender entries aren't a big deal, don't tend to take full advantage of the calender. Though I do have 60+ contacts.
Have Diamond and I like it but wish I'd waited for the HD. I don't miss the keyboard from the hermes much as I expected.
Keyboard
I'm using a Herald. During some days I used the Diamond keyboard SIP, but after a hard-reset I did not install it again.
I'm using the physical keyboard when sitting or stopping in a comfortable place (office, train, restaurant) and I must work a lot (i.e. writing some project memories or preparing some lectures); on other cases, I usually try to use the stylus. When at building, I fear about missing the stylus (or maybe missing myself) in some concrete reservoir or some hole, so I liked to use the Diamond keyboard SIP, to write some small notes. So, my experience is I use keyboard about 30% of my time.
Looking the HD and the Pro specifications, I suppose they don't defer more than in design and small details.
If you need to work as "at home", I suggest you to get the device with built-in keyboard.
Thanks for the replys guys.
As I do a fair amount of blogging and web browsing I have been thinking that the Pro might be best suited for me, but on the other hand I do use remote desktop a lot (From work to my home PC) so being able to use remote desktop "On-the-go" would be rather handy especially on the large screen of the HD.
Another question I have is how often do you Pro and Diamond users make use of the D-pad? It doesn't seem like it would have very much use on a touch screen WM device.
D-Pad? Hardly ever.
Is there any way to get opera mobile 10 running on a smartphone?
I have a samsung jack and it installs fine and loads perfectly. But I can't get past the eula screen as it doesn't accept soft-key input...
A quick search on google shows that this is not unique to the jack but is common across all smartphones.
Is there a work-around or a solution? Perhaps a registry hack?
Thanks
I would like to know this as well
you could use a fakecursor to get the touch functionality, but it is really lagging and artifact... but it works
opera10 is great, i am really sorry (and disappointed) by the avalaibility only for touchscreens (and for standard display nokia)
you could use a fakecursor to get the touch functionality, but it is really lagging and artifact... but it works
opera10 is great, i am really sorry (and disappointed) by the avalaibility only for touchscreens (and for standard display nokia)
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It. sucks.
The effort needed to port it would be trivial. They already have a non-touch interface (for symbian) and a program that will work perfectly on my Jack except for UI issues.... It would take *one* programmer 1 week tops to get it to work.
And then they'd have their customer base increase by *millions*....
What really annoys me is that opera mobile would have been one of the few apps that might have harnessed the massive power my Jack has (my previous phone was a 200mghz HTC gene) but sadly, 'twas not to be.
Quick vid to show off HID profile support in 2.2 firmware builds, really enjoying it with TV Out, like having another laptop in the house (one with a 42inch screen mind). Need to sort out some remote desktop action, should be sweet with this setup!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21aVbYpgrRA
...and here is another showing the Zeemote in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8y5Z_Xc7fI
EDIT: Although I believe any HID-based keyboard/mouse should work, here is an ongoing list of those confirmed by users to work -
- Palm 3245WW BT keyboard, fully working on JPH and JPK ROM's.
- The wireless (bluetooth) apple keyboard
- Microsoft Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000 fully working on JPH & JPK ROM's.
- Logitech Dinovo Working like a charm. Keyboard as well as the mouse.
- DealExtreme Mini Bluetooth keyboard
- SU-8W is a go!
- Logitech DiNovo EDGE
- KeySonic "Super Mini Keyboard" ACK-340BT works, including the touchpad
EDIT EDIT: Just so its here on the front page - WiiMotes still do not work despite the addition of HID support.
Is anybody else able to confirm that BT HID devices do not work with the JPU 2.2.1 firmware?
OMG so HID works on 2.2? Does that mean apple keyboards and crap will work (cause they seem to be easily available, not that i like them "that" much)
I really want a close to fullsize BT keyboard (or something which is very easy to type with (i wanna use it for uni), any recommendations?
Before I updated to 2.2 I confirmed that with another user who was using an Apple keyboard, so I'm assuming its all good. By its nature HID-supporting keyboards should all work with 2.2 builds.
Great news, thanks for sharing mate
If you try another keyboard post here and let us know how you get on.
WiiMote support would be awesome! Can somebody check that please...
That's so cool! Thanks for sharing. Does that BT keyboard you use include the stand for your phone?
@Zvenn: Yep, it has the stand.
I've not tried WiiMotes yet, but another user says they still don't work (I'm inclined to believe him, since the WiiMote Android software only works with a particular BT implementation - not Samsungs).
Name of keyboard?
Its an iGo Ultraslim Stowaway keyboard (Dell branded in this case because it was half the price of the iGo one, despite being made by them...not sure how that works, but was happy at the time). For my money its still the best ultraportable folding keyboard (its hinge mechanism is sheer genius), but sadly its been out of production a couple of years now. If you can get your hands on one somehow it really is great.
I have a Palm 3245WW BT keyboard, fully working on JPH and JPK ROM's.
Thanks for that, updated first post to include that info.
I impulse bought the microsoft bluetooth mobile keyboard 6000 (only cause managed to haggle it down by 20 bucks ).
It doesn't work on JM7 (as expected. It pairs but doesn't connect), but I will try on froyo soon. I want to wait for official froyo or at least the next stable release before updating though.
I really hope this keyboard is compatible cause i just spent 80AUD on it lol.
Hope it works! Can't see why not, providing its a HID device.
I was using the Apple key-board on the G1...
I know, I know...I hate Apple too, but on my G1 I was connecting the the Apple bluetooth keyboard. Nice piece of equipment - metal.
Although it was not an automatic connection, I had to manually start the drivers every time I want to use it. A bit of a pain, but it was working fine....and that on the G1!
I'll try it sometime in the next few days and report back on how I did it and if it even works with the Vibrant.
hy guys
i have a very old version of Freedom Universal bluetooth keyboard.
i don't found the model on the Freedom web site, but is similar of these: http://www.freedominput.com/technical-support/technical-support/technical-support.
mi have follow the android installation guide concerning the universal keyboard pro, i have make a paring of keyboard, i have download and install the drivers, but a message tell me that this driver are only for a universal keyboard pro and not for my model.
some time ago, with my iphone, the problem was that my keyboard had not a spp mode, and for me was impossible connect it.
now, my impression is that the problem is more simple because i can make a pair, i can install the drivers and these work fine! but..i see this message and the keyboard don't work...
i know that this is a very old keyboard..but before change it, i want to be sure that i can't use them with my device android.
and second question..if i must change it..some suggestion for the model? i don't like yet universal keyboard, becasue i think that is impossible that this product is not supported in after market.
sam213 Don't change the keyboard. It WILL work with froyo. I have had the freedom universal keyboard for a few years now and it works great with any device that supports HID. (Nokia n95, n900, my laptop, lego NXT). The drivers that freedom input make are for devices which don't natively support HID
Hi Rc-Blob
thanks for your reply...
but..i have on my galaxy S already a froyo relaise (the "famous" jpk version)...
how i can connect thie two device to work with him?
i don't know what is the HID..samsung galaxy s support this? and if is supporte..how i can use them?
thanks and i'm sorry!!!
Thanks OP for this!
I'm really looking forward to 2.2 now, if only the WiiMotes would work!
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I know, I know...I hate Apple too, but on my G1 I was connecting the the Apple bluetooth keyboard. Nice piece of equipment - metal.
Although it was not an automatic connection, I had to manually start the drivers every time I want to use it. A bit of a pain, but it was working fine....and that on the G1!
I'll try it sometime in the next few days and report back on how I did it and if it even works with the Vibrant.
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The wireless (bluetooth) apple keyboard works great with the Samsung Galaxy S international (Froyo JPK). Absolutely no hassle. Turn on bluetooth, press a key on the keyboard and *bam* connected..