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[Q] CWM,Vegan,etc What order do I do these things?

(I've spent a long time reading and I don't want to waste your time, so if the answers to this have been posted before please just tell me to keep searching.)
New G tablet arrives in 3 days. I have very little tech knowledge, but I enjoy the journey. Would someone mind please putting the following in the CORRECT order for me?
1. Fully charge G tab and turn it on
2. Install Titanium Backup on G tab (is this done like I would install an app on an iphone, or do I download to my PC and move it to the g tab?)
3. Backup stuff (everything)? To where? My PC?
4. Install clockwork as per instructions here (I think I'll use G tab's internal SD card)
5. Use clockwork to repartition internal SD card (2048 and 0)
6. Use clockwork to delete data and cache
7. Install Vegan 5.1 as per instructions here.
8. Install Flah and Market capability as per instructions here.
9. Install ADW launcher (not sure what this is, but it looks good on youtube). How do I install it? Is it like an iphone app installation, or...?
10. Some of the posts I've read mention a need for a file browser. Do they mean on my PC, or on the G tab? How do you get one on the G tab? Through Market?
11. Calibrate touch screen as per instructions here.
12. Anything I've forgotten?
Thanks for your help and understanding for a complete novice.

This has all been posted before as you thought.
I would not worry about backing up when you first get it as there will be nothing really on it but the stock rom.
if you goal is to load a Rom like TNT or Vegan from day one.
Root
Clockwork Mod
load Rom
and away you go.
There are directions all over the place to the above.
Once you get the rom loaded and all setup then get titanium backup installed and do a backup. Save yourself hours and pay for the pro version, it will allow you to run batch backup/restores and not touch your tablet while it runs.
Hope that helps now go read and search while you await your Gtab and have FUN! that is what it is all about.

Chances are you wont even have to root first.
Install Clockwork
Partition
Install Vegan

thebadfrog said:
Chances are you wont even have to root first.
Install Clockwork
Partition
Install Vegan
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Thanks guys. I like the sound of these 3 simple steps, but what do you mean "chances are..."? Is it a random thing?

goog64 said:
Thanks guys. I like the sound of these 3 simple steps, but what do you mean "chances are..."? Is it a random thing?
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This is my first Android device but I'm good with PC's.
Anyway, I fired it up from new installed clockwork, did the partition 2048,0 as suggested and for me installed tnt-lite and all is good. It was probably stock for about 10 minutes of its life.

Thanks Stuggy. That's what I'll try (except with Vegan, I think).

goog64 said:
Thanks guys. I like the sound of these 3 simple steps, but what do you mean "chances are..."? Is it a random thing?
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For some reason I had to root first when I installed the update after the 3389 update. I think it was just me but it was just another step. Installed z4root, got root, and moved on

Thanks badfrog.
Just to give you an idea where I'm at.....I had no idea what 3389 is so I searched for it. Many pages came up, but they all assume a certain level of background knowledge that I don't have. Please tell me, is 3389 the ROM that comes with the G tab?
If so, why would you be updating that if you had a different ROM already installed (Vegan, TNTlite, etc)?
Other pages I've seen have said that installing Vegan or TnTlite IS rooting, whilst still other pages have said that installing clockwork mod is rooting? Is this correct?
I can't find out what rooting actually means because every page I find assumes the reader already knows what rooting is. I will keep searching for a site for android dummies (and stop wasting your time).

rooting a device is basically changing system permissions so that you have full access to read, write and manipulate all files on the device. In Linux if you are root you have total control over the system. I believe that I read somewhere that the GTab is already set so that you have total control. Other devices you would use an app like z4root and it would change the security settings so that you had root access.

hmmm....the plot thickens. Thanks Sm0k3d 0ut, I'm looking forward to confirmation of that to clear up my confusion!

Hello - New user here and planning to do the same. My tablet arrives today but my SD arrives next week.
Can I use an 128MB micro SD to do the Clock mod before the larger card arrives?
Thanks.

bevbeng said:
Hello - New user here and planning to do the same. My tablet arrives today but my SD arrives next week.
Can I use an 128MB micro SD to do the Clock mod before the larger card arrives?
Thanks.
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Check this thread on clockwork
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865245
goog64 said:
Thanks Stuggy. That's what I'll try (except with Vegan, I think).
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Try them both, they are both great roms and you will become more comfortable the more roms you flash.
Most important tools are this site and titanium backup "PRO"

copc said:
Try them both, they are both great roms and you will become more comfortable the more roms you flash.
Most important tools are this site and titanium backup "PRO"
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Thanks copc. I also read somewhere that backing up can be done with Clockwork. Is that true? If so, does a novice like me really need titanium backup?
Also, one more question: in case I ever want to restore to the stock ROM that the G tab comes with, do I need to do anything special BEFORE I install Clockwork and the new ROM? Or can I just change back to original no matter what I do now?
(G tab arrives tomorrow. Can't wait!)

goog64 said:
I also read somewhere that backing up can be done with Clockwork. Is that true? If so, does a novice like me really need titanium backup?
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I still haven't received my Zpad yet, so can't talk from experience. But from what I have read it seems that titanium backup backs up the apps (and maybe data?) and clockwork makes a ROM image of you Tablet (or something similar to that). So I think they are different types of backups and you should probably do both.
But I could be horribly wrong.

SnakeManJayd said:
I still haven't received my Zpad yet, so can't talk from experience. But from what I have read it seems that titanium backup backs up the apps (and maybe data?) and clockwork makes a ROM image of you Tablet (or something similar to that). So I think they are different types of backups and you should probably do both.
But I could be horribly wrong.
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You are spot on, Titanium Backup allows you to back up and restore individual apps and data (you can also use it to sideload apps you have already installed on another Android device). CW will make a backup of your entire system (internal SDCard) so you can restore if something goes awry.
goog64 said:
(I've spent a long time reading and I don't want to waste your time, so if the answers to this have been posted before please just tell me to keep searching.)
New G tablet arrives in 3 days. I have very little tech knowledge, but I enjoy the journey. Would someone mind please putting the following in the CORRECT order for me?
1. Fully charge G tab and turn it on
2. Install Titanium Backup on G tab (is this done like I would install an app on an iphone, or do I download to my PC and move it to the g tab?)
3. Backup stuff (everything)? To where? My PC?
4. Install clockwork as per instructions here (I think I'll use G tab's internal SD card)
5. Use clockwork to repartition internal SD card (2048 and 0)
6. Use clockwork to delete data and cache
7. Install Vegan 5.1 as per instructions here.
8. Install Flah and Market capability as per instructions here.
9. Install ADW launcher (not sure what this is, but it looks good on youtube). How do I install it? Is it like an iphone app installation, or...?
10. Some of the posts I've read mention a need for a file browser. Do they mean on my PC, or on the G tab? How do you get one on the G tab? Through Market?
11. Calibrate touch screen as per instructions here.
12. Anything I've forgotten?
Thanks for your help and understanding for a complete novice.
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1,4,5,7,8, and 11 in that order will get you in business. Titanium Backup should be installed after you get Vegan installed, as there is really nothing to back up in stock. Data and cache will be deleted as part of the partitioning process (that's how I've understood it), and a file browser is already installed with the Vegan image. #9 is just fluff, ADW is a great launcher, but is not necessary to get up and running. If I recall correctly, it will install like an app - you should be able to find it in the Market.
#12 - Though it is not necessary, Root Explorer is a real handy app to have if you are going to tear around with Android's inner workings. Less than $5 on the market, but I found it worth every penny so far.
You will find many different thoughts on the process laid out above, this is just worked for me when I was starting out. The most important thing is Clockwork. Do. That. First.
bevbeng said:
Hello - New user here and planning to do the same. My tablet arrives today but my SD arrives next week.
Can I use an 128MB micro SD to do the Clock mod before the larger card arrives?
Thanks.
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I did mine (CW .8 and TNTLite) from a 256MB card, and there was still plenty of room - a 128MB card should do you fine. In fact, if you are doing it from a PC (I can't confirm for Mac as I don't have one), you can install CW off of the card, use CW to partition the tablet storage, connect the tablet to your PC, and then use CW to mount the tablet as USB storage so you can copy over the ROM image to the tablet and install.
As far as CW, use the .8 version. I have heard of problems from others using newer versions, and it seems that .8 is what the devs recommend. You can find a link to it in here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865245
BigJohn

Thanks BigJohn. I REALLY appreciate the time you took with that answer, and you explained it very clearly. My tablet arrives today (I hope), and you have given me a lot of confidence.

goog64 said:
Thanks BigJohn. I REALLY appreciate the time you took with that answer, and you explained it very clearly. My tablet arrives today (I hope), and you have given me a lot of confidence.
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Welcome to MOD-dom, it's awesome.

My unofficial increasing the ram thread

I have been on this kick trying to figure how to increase my ram by either reformatting an sd card or just making the most out of the factory ram. I am using the app ram boost and it says i have usually around 600-700 free ram memory right after i clear all the processes. I did download the app debloat so i can delete the apps but it backs them up automatically. I went through and deleted the obvious apps but honestly dont know what alot of them are or what they do. Lets bounce ideas around for increasing the ram.

Why would you need more free RAM? Android is good at RAM management: the less free RAM, the better. It's not only about numbers and synthetic tests, what a device feels like is much more important.
Trimis de pe ASUS Transformer Pad TF300T

What do you gain from persistently having loads of free RAM? It's there to be used.
And as vap mentioned, Android has good ram management. It'll clear processes to free up more RAM when it needs to.

My biggest beef with this tablet is when im downloading something it completely slows the whole tablet down. Almost to the point where i can even use it

shdybrady said:
My biggest beef with this tablet is when im downloading something it completely slows the whole tablet down. Almost to the point where i can even use it
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That is not due to RAM, it is and I/O problem that has haunted ASUS in their devices. It seems the internal disk is crap and/or software issues. I can tell you that the JB update made Writing and Reading speeds of the internal disk a bit faster maybe around 40% faster than in ICS, still it doesn't compare to other devices.
There are a couple of workarounds, for example tweaking the kernel, using custom kernels and even making a Class 10 Ultra Sandisk MicroSD as your "internal sdcard" (that is tweaking the pad into thinking the external is internal). Most of this tweaks were started in the Prime forums, and were tailored for the kernel version we all had before JB update.
Hopefully when the prime gets the JB update we will see new work on the new kernel.
Take a look at this threads (remember these probably won't work on the new kernel and were made for the Prime so try at your own risk):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1803252
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1714253
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1735887

I put a post on here asking how to make the external sd work as the internal, so im glad you posted that. For whatever reason my tablet doesn't pic up the jb yet so i haven't updated. But ill check out those sites you posted. Thanks alot.

Being that i have to deal with code i am assuming i need a computer to do those three things on my tablet correct?

shdybrady said:
Being that i have to deal with code i am assuming i need a computer to do those three things on my tablet correct?
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only for the sdcard swap thingy, the other two post are discussing the same thing. You just need to download the latest atp apk and select siomschedule from the list making sure it has a check mark then select sio from drop down menu and check the two boxes on the top, reboot and you are done.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF300T using Tapatalk 2

Alright that sucks. I just tried to download the apk file and it opened up in my adrozip program when i have root explorer designated for opening files. So i exited out and root explorer wouldn't open. Saying i don't have root access. I go to root checker and it confirmed im not rooted anymore. I go to my voodoo root keeper and it says i am rooted but i dont have root permission. Whats the deal?

shdybrady said:
Alright that sucks. I just tried to download the apk file and it opened up in my adrozip program when i have root explorer designated for opening files. So i exited out and root explorer wouldn't open. Saying i don't have root access. I go to root checker and it confirmed im not rooted anymore. I go to my voodoo root keeper and it says i am rooted but i dont have root permission. Whats the deal?
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Download and run SuperSU then re run ota root keeper and check. If that doesn't work try rebooting and check again.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF300T using Tapatalk 2

I downloaded superuser back when i rooted it. I have tried reebooting several times

shdybrady said:
I downloaded superuser back when i rooted it. I have tried reebooting several times
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I'm not talking about superuser I'm talking about supersu
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF300T using Tapatalk 2

[Q] Paranoid newbie questions re replacement ROM

I have a Galaxy Gio GT-S5660V (Australia) with a 16GB SD card, having (currently) a 500MB ext2fs partition in addition to the FAT32 partition. I've rooted the phone with universal_gb_root_v20.zip and moved everything that can be moved to the SD card.
But I have installed some 42 additional apps (on top of those that came built-in), and despite uninstalling some built-in apps (using Titanium Backup Root Pro), am forever running out of storage. To the extent that I now can't update some storage-intensive apps (like Google Maps).
I know this is a developers' forum, and I'm not a developer. But it looks like the best place to come for the advice I need. I'm a raw beginner (this is my first and, so far, only smartphone), and am fearful of doing something to the phone that would reduce its usefulness or (worse) stop it working completely. So because the solution to my problem probably involves replacing the stock ROM code with a 'special' ROM, and those ROMs are so poorly documented, I have heaps of questions before I'm confident to proceed.
I've read the 'Big thread For New Users (Rooting, Flashing, Firmwares, Mods, Tips, Tricks)'. I've installed Odin 4.42, and think I understand how to download a new ROM to the phone (but of course haven't tried it yet!!). I looked for a GT-S5660V specific forum, but couldn't find one.
1. If I install a custom ROM, what happens to all the built-in apps that came with the phone? [Some of these are vital to me!] Obviously the basic phone/SMS/data, Bluetooth and WiFi functions must continue to operate correctly.
2. What happens to all the additional apps I've bought and installed?
3. I don't especially want to change the 'look and feel' of my phone. I just want to free up internal storage by using the SD card as an 'extension' to internal storage, so I can continue adding and updating apps without running out. So which ROM is likely to achieve this on the GT-S5660V (I'd particularly like to hear from any Australians who have ROMmed their GT-S5660V with this feature, since I've read warnings about ROM versions that are for the GT-S5660 but NOT the GT-S5660V)?
4. In case the custom ROM doesn't work for me, how do I backup my current ROM so I can reinstall it?
Sorry for the long (and paranoid!) post, and I hope someone here can help me. Many thanks.
PS: I enjoyed the 'Noob Video' - very professionally made!
Daniel
(Gerroa, Australia)

DanielFFF said:
1. If I install a custom ROM, what happens to all the built-in apps that came with the phone? [Some of these are vital to me!] Obviously the basic phone/SMS/data, Bluetooth and WiFi functions must continue to operate correctly.
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The only thing you'll have are what comes with the ROM you flash. That, of course, includes phone/SMS/data, Bluetooth and Wifi. If you run Astro (the free version is enough) you can save an apk file of any app you absolutely need, just to be sure it's available after you flash a ROM. (Then install Apk Installer, and it can install the apk file in the new ROM.)
2. What happens to all the additional apps I've bought and installed?
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See #1. You should have the apk files for all the apps you need (free, paid and original) saved to your laptop/desktop or somewhere.
3. I don't especially want to change the 'look and feel' of my phone.
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The look and feel is the apps. The "desktop" is the launcher. You may find some that you actually like better than the stock one.
I just want to free up internal storage by using the SD card as an 'extension' to internal storage, so I can continue adding and updating apps without running out.
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With CM you can use up to 1GB on the SD card as internal storage. (Making the partition larger than 1GB in CM seems to cause problems. There's at least one ROM that can take a larger partition, but there's no version for your phone.)
So which ROM is likely to achieve this on the GT-S5660V (I'd particularly like to hear from any Australians who have ROMmed their GT-S5660V with this feature, since I've read warnings about ROM versions that are for the GT-S5660 but NOT the GT-S5660V)?
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NEVER flash a ROM that's not for your specific phone. At best it won't work. At worst you won't be able to recover the phone and you'll have to buy another one.
4. In case the custom ROM doesn't work for me, how do I backup my current ROM so I can reinstall it?
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Use Nandroid backup in the recovery boot. (And save the backup to your computer - the SD card will get wiped.)

Re: Paranoid newbie questions re replacement ROM
Many thanks, Rukbat, you reply has been very helpful. But as with any learning process, your answers have raised new questions!...
Rukbat said:
The only thing you'll have are what comes with the ROM you flash. That, of course, includes phone/SMS/data, Bluetooth and Wifi. If you run Astro (the free version is enough) you can save an apk file of any app you absolutely need, just to be sure it's available after you flash a ROM. (Then install Apk Installer, and it can install the apk file in the new ROM.)
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I had Astro File Manager before, but uninstalled it when I started running short of storage, as I didn't think it offered anything that I couldn't do with ES File Explorer and Titanium Backup Pro. Do I really need to reinstall it, or will the backups from Titanium Backup do?
Rukbat said:
See #1. You should have the apk files for all the apps you need (free, paid and original) saved to your laptop/desktop or somewhere.
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I believe Titanium Backup Pro backs up user apps and data, so once I reinstall Titanium with the new ROM, I should be able to recover my previous apps, yes?
Rukbat said:
With CM you can use up to 1GB on the SD card as internal storage. (Making the partition larger than 1GB in CM seems to cause problems. There's at least one ROM that can take a larger partition, but there's no version for your phone.)
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I'm guessing that 'CM' is CyanogenMod? I'm still looking for a version specifically for the GT-S5660V. It worries me (I really am paranoid! ) that so many versions are 'unofficial', and so poorly documented.
Rukbat said:
NEVER flash a ROM that's not for your specific phone. At best it won't work. At worst you won't be able to recover the phone and you'll have to buy another one.
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This is what worries me most, as there are very few ROMs and such specifically made for the GT-S5660V – quite a few for the 'generic' Gio (GT-S5660), but few for the 'V' specifically. I read somewhere that the main difference is probably in the 3G frequencies used in Australia, and that some people had tried a 'generic' Gio ROM and lost some of their telephone functionality. Some mention of flashing the Modem code separately, but that just confuses me more!
Rukbat said:
Use Nandroid backup in the recovery boot. (And save the backup to your computer - the SD card will get wiped.)
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I looked up Nandroid backup, and it seems to get this I need to install ClockworkMod Recovery. ROM Manager is also recommended as an adjunct, so I've already installed v5.0.2.0 of that. Just need to find a GT-S5660V version of ClockworkMod Recovery now! I guess since it doesn't affect telephone functionality, a version for the generic Gio should be OK, such as http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1421650
It's so confusing for a beginner like me, with so many different versions around!
But I really appreciate your help so far, and hope you can continue to enlighten me.

Storage Swap

Hi, i'm facing some problems with the swapping i did (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1857391)
I honestly don't know what to do, i'm not very good at these things. I tried it twice on my samsung galaxy note 10.1 and both times the swap is sucessful BUT it still saves in the internal.... I'm running stock kernel if you need more information you can ask. Oh and I did it with script manager
Please, help me. I really need the space
(using Sandisk ultra class 10 64 gb)

No suggestions at all?

SMN65 said:
No suggestions at all?
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Give it time. Not everyone checks XDA on an hourly basis.

So when you run the script it moves everything and does what it should? But then you get new apps and they continue to install on internal?

bigtoysrock said:
So when you run the script it moves everything and does what it should? But then you get new apps and they continue to install on internal?
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Exactly...I really would appreciate any help I could get, maybe some new steps? I'm really not so good though I believe I followed the steps well.
Thanks for your time
If you need more information ask please, and my android version is 4.1.2 (don't know if its useful)

SMN65 said:
Exactly...I really would appreciate any help I could get, maybe some new steps? I'm really not so good though I believe I followed the steps well.
Thanks for your time
If you need more information ask please, and my android version is 4.1.2 (don't know if its useful)
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Did you happen to read anywhere that it needs to be run again when adding new apps? Like it only moves them the one time and it's not like a setting that future apps go to sd.

bigtoysrock said:
Did you happen to read anywhere that it needs to be run again when adding new apps? Like it only moves them the one time and it's not like a setting that future apps go to sd.
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If i understood corectly, I didn't read anything like that but i made the script (via script manager) executable and to run at boot. It should just install in the external without boot or anything else needed.

I read on other forums about other devices that the easiest way to swap internal with external is by modifying your vold.fstab, but the mine is really wierd (I can post it if needed) , it's not like the other peoples devices. Maybe its that way on all SG note 10.1 because no one else has done it on the note 10.1.

Maybe I should flash a new rom? Like omega? I really don't know

So, I understood what I was doing wrong. I had updated the version of my device and the script wasnt compatible with JB. Though I have a quick question for anyone. Now that I used the one for JB and swapped the internal with external when i download a game for example Iron man (which is 800MB) a small part (around 10MB) goes in the internal,that happends with all games (some even take more 15MB or so). Is that normal?
EDIT: Nah, it still fully installs in the internal, swap is still sucessful though, at least it shows so.... Maybe if I can go back to ICS?

New Builder Question

This should probably go in some general Q&A forum, but this is by far the most helpful community I've come across so I wanted to try here first. I've finally got my Ubuntu box up and running again (upgrading to 14.04 wasn't pretty) and was able to build for both my 700t and my n5 without error, but I'm afraid to pull the trigger and flash it. I'm building straight CM for the tablet and AOSP for the phone, so what is the worst that could happen? I haven't gotten either of them to run in the emulator, but I'm not completely sure that is even possible. Any insight you may have would be most appreciated.
Thanks in advance!
Just thought of this, since I'm running Crombi ROM2SD, could I just install my zip on external, and then refresh the right kernel?
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk

psudeke said:
but I'm afraid to pull the trigger and flash it. I'm building straight CM for the tablet and AOSP for the phone, so what is the worst that could happen?
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The worst thing that can happen is that you brick your device, but you must do something sufficiently stupid for that to happen. I can't say anything about your phone, but for the TF700T, as long as you have a working recovery, flashing a ROM won't brick it. You may want to create the nvflash blobs if you want to have another safety net - it is possible to brick the TF700T if you force it to boot to the recovery and the recovery is broken.
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I haven't gotten either of them to run in the emulator, but I'm not completely sure that is even possible.
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That's normal - ARM devices are just too different, and the emulator is just another different device.
psudeke said:
Just thought of this, since I'm running Crombi ROM2SD, could I just install my zip on external, and then refresh the right kernel?
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See my Android dual-booting thread in the dev subforum. I originally developed ROM2SD to be able to test my self-built ROMs without breaking my working installation.

_that said:
The worst thing that can happen is that you brick your device, but you must do something sufficiently stupid for that to happen. I can't say anything about your phone, but for the TF700T, as long as you have a working recovery, flashing a ROM won't brick it. You may want to create the nvflash blobs if you want to have another safety net - it is possible to brick the TF700T if you force it to boot to the recovery and the recovery is broken.
That's normal - ARM devices are just too different, and the emulator is just another different device.
See my Android dual-booting thread in the dev subforum. I originally developed ROM2SD to be able to test my self-built ROMs without breaking my working installation.
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Thanks _That, I appreciate your help! After reading your post and the f2fs post, i thought i was in the clear, but i still managed to screw something up. i'm unable to get the tablet to boot off of external, regardless of whether its my ROM or CROMBi. I see a "segmentation error" listed in the output from the the preinit, and then it always boots to internal. I thought maybe i got the mount points reversed in recovered, so i reflashed recovery, but no luck. i also tried deleting the preinit script and then reinstalling CROMBi, but i still get the same error. any thoughts?

psudeke said:
I see a "segmentation error" listed in the output from the the preinit
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For some unknown reason, dynamically linked executables don't work for preinit in KitKat. So if your *internal* ROM is not stock 4.2-based (I have no data about 4.3), the only way to run a preinit script is to use a statically linked busybox.

You still get that fault with a static busybox but it seems to copy files fine.
@psudeke you can compile the static busybox yourself simply with make static-busybox in your build folder - or just steal mine from /system/boot

sbdags said:
You still get that fault with a static busybox but it seems to copy files fine.
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Your fault may come from one of the programs that you call in your script (did you forget to prefix some line with "busybox"?).

_that said:
Your fault may come from one of the programs that you call in your script (did you forget to prefix some line with "busybox"?).
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it comes from the ls -l /init* which indeed doesn't have the busybox prefix but if I do it gives some other error I forget now
Anyway it doesn't harm the boot process - just an error message

_that said:
For some unknown reason, dynamically linked executables don't work for preinit in KitKat. So if your *internal* ROM is not stock 4.2-based (I have no data about 4.3), the only way to run a preinit script is to use a statically linked busybox.
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_that said:
Your fault may come from one of the programs that you call in your script (did you forget to prefix some line with "busybox"?).
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Internal is the 5/17 build of Crombi, and its a brand new install. with a full format of the data partition (which in my haste to get this working yesterday, i wiped out my nandroid from right before i tried this).
is there any connection between when the internal is flashed compared to the external? in other words, if i reflash the internal rom, it should still recognize an existing external rom? hope that makes sense, i'm still shaking off the effects of a little too much whiskey last night.:laugh:

psudeke said:
Internal is the 5/17 build of Crombi, and its a brand new install. with a full format of the data partition (which in my haste to get this working yesterday, i wiped out my nandroid from right before i tried this).
is there any connection between when the internal is flashed compared to the external? in other words, if i reflash the internal rom, it should still recognize an existing external rom? hope that makes sense, i'm still shaking off the effects of a little too much whiskey last night.:laugh:
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No currently if you reflash internal it will only see internal. You need to reflash external for that to work.

sbdags said:
No currently if you reflash internal it will only see internal. You need to reflash external for that to work.
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Ahh, thanks sbdags! that fixed the issue with ROM2SD. i got that impression when i pulled the preinit and saw it only had an entry for internal. but, i'm still very much in a learning phase so i didn't want to jump to a conclusion.
and after getting crombi to boot on external, i swapped sd cards and my build of CM11 actually booted! now the real learning process begins as i figure out how to customize it.
Thanks again to both you and @_that, you guys are the best:good:

@sbdags and @_that
Just wanted to thank you both again for your help. After much trial and error, i was able to build the 5/27 version of CM and merge in that's 9 f2fs kernel, its running well so far. not a bad quadrant score for someone who doesn't know what they're doing!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/khq17h04b715eyd/C11%20Benchmark%20ART.png
Hats off to both of you! :good:
--- Guess I can't insert an image directly from my DropBox, link is to a screenshot of my score ---

psudeke said:
After much trial and error, i was able to build the 5/27 version of CM and merge in that's 9 f2fs kernel, its running well so far. not a bad quadrant score for someone who doesn't know what they're doing!
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Congratulations! If you can build a working ROM from source, you're already in the top 1% of people here who know what they're doing.

_that said:
Congratulations! If you can build a working ROM from source, you're already in the top 1% of people here who know what they're doing.
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Good to finally be a "One Percenter" in something! :laugh:
Thanks again for your help, I'm sure that was the first of many questions I can't figure out.

psudeke said:
Good to finally be a "One Percenter" in something! :laugh:
Thanks again for your help, I'm sure that was the first of many questions I can't figure out.
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Just ask away and congrats! :good:

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Just ask away and congrats! :good:
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Be careful what you wish for, I've got a laundry list of questions ranging from basic Linux commands to the nature of the multiverse, lol.
I do have one question out of the gate about the update-binary file. I'm trying to add a couple apps to either the system or data folders, but I'm not sure what commands are available from the stock CM file. I think for the most part by looking at your updater-script file I can figure out the commands to do what I want, but given the little I know about this and the size difference of the binary file between CM and the one i was looking at of yours, I'm curious. Is the best way to see what's available CM's git? I basically just want to install a different Launcher and Viper instead of DSP manager for sound. Do I need to study up on edify to look at the binary or is there an easier way?
Thanks again!
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk

psudeke said:
Be careful what you wish for, I've got a laundry list of questions ranging from basic Linux commands to the nature of the multiverse, lol.
I do have one question out of the gate about the update-binary file. I'm trying to add a couple apps to either the system or data folders, but I'm not sure what commands are available from the stock CM file. I think for the most part by looking at your updater-script file I can figure out the commands to do what I want, but given the little I know about this and the size difference of the binary file between CM and the one i was looking at of yours, I'm curious. Is the best way to see what's available CM's git? I basically just want to install a different Launcher and Viper instead of DSP manager for sound. Do I need to study up on edify to look at the binary or is there an easier way?
Thanks again!
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk
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yes the easiest way to do it is just make 2 folders with your extra apps in it say /extras/app
then add the following to the updater-script (you don't need to touch the update-binary unless you start using aroma)
package_extract_dir("extras", "/system");
delete("/system/app/DSPManager.apk");
delete("/system/priv-app/Trebuchet.apk");
What that does is copies the extras/app folder into system and deletes your unwanted apps
note apps can be installed into 2 folders /system/app or /system/priv-app
similarly you can install your user apps into /data/app but this is dangerous with launchers as if the user manually uninstalls it you can't do anything on the tab

sbdags said:
yes the easiest way to do it is just make 2 folders with your extra apps in it say /extras/app
then add the following to the updater-script (you don't need to touch the update-binary unless you start using aroma)
package_extract_dir("extras", "/system");
delete("/system/app/DSPManager.apk");
delete("/system/priv-app/Trebuchet.apk");
What that does is copies the extras/app folder into system and deletes you unwanted apps
note apps can be installed into 2 folders /system/app or /systempriv-app
similar you can install your user apps into /data/app but this is dangerous with launchers as if the user manually uninstalls it you can't do anything on the tab
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Thanks again! i can see how this becomes addicting fast :fingers-crossed:

@sbdags do I need to mount data before installing anything to the /data/app folder? I saw in your updater-script this line, and i'm assuming i need the same:
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mount("f2fs", "EMMC", "/dev/block/mmcblk0p8", "/data");
one other quick question (hopefully), I saw in the XDA WIKI that i can possibly test the script using the update-binary, do i have to do this on the tablet itself? i spent all afternoon trying to fix a problem that amounted to an errant quotation mark in my script (and i knew it was something like that too. too many years of non-terminated string errors to not look there first:laugh, but the only way i could find to test it was to rezip the file and flash. any suggestions?
thank you good sir! :highfive:

psudeke said:
@sbdags do I need to mount data before installing anything to the /data/app folder? I saw in your updater-script this line, and i'm assuming i need the same:
Code:
mount("f2fs", "EMMC", "/dev/block/mmcblk0p8", "/data");
one other quick question (hopefully), I saw in the XDA WIKI that i can possibly test the script using the update-binary, do i have to do this on the tablet itself? i spent all afternoon trying to fix a problem that amounted to an errant quotation mark in my script (and i knew it was something like that too. too many years of non-terminated string errors to not look there first:laugh, but the only way i could find to test it was to rezip the file and flash. any suggestions?
thank you good sir! :highfive:
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just zip the /meta-inf folder, and flash that to test. obviously comment out any format commands as they will fail. That is what I do.

Hey @psudeke you ever need any help with anything to do with source or git let me know
I am also willing to help out
and just a FYI be careful of @sbdags :cyclops: LOL
Just kidding....
Let me know thx Josh