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Hello XDA community!
I recently had a problem with my HTC one XL, the AT&T version. I know I'm not in the right section but, as both phone are very similar, I would like to know if anybody as already encouter a problem as mine.
I recently try to convert my HOXL into an international version by following this tuto. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2356401
Everything was fine until the point 4.b. To make quick, (more informations on my thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2430573 )
As said in the tuto, my HTC One get stuck at about 3/4 completed, So I reboot it, and type the folling commands: "fastboot oem writemid PN0710000" but instead of getting a successful message, I get an error
<bootloader> [ERR] Command error !!!
OKAY [ 0.009s]
finished. total time 0.009s
I've been stuck on the black HTC screen with 4 triangles and "!" in each corner until I found a command on the web "fastboot oem boot". After this command, the phone has booted directly on the viper boot screen but without the white HTC screen "Quietly Brilliant". Now, my phone is working perfectly, as before under the Viper rom. But when I reboot the phone there is no more the HTC screen, and moreover, I no more have the bootloader ! If I reboot the phone and select the "reboot to bootloader" option, my phone go back to the black HTC screen with 4 triangles and "!" in each corner.
I would like to go back in stock rom, but I'm afraid to flash my phone without bootloader. I think it's to risky. So do you think I can fix my bootloader before flashing ? Anyone already had kind of problem like this one ?
My phone is Tampered unlocked, S-OFF, I was in super CID, but I get back to the original ROGER001.
Thanks for reading...
That's not a tutorial for this phone. The title indicates that it's how to turn an at&t HTC One into an intentional HTC One. You've tried to flash firmware that isn't intended for your device. If you can still boot it up it might be recoverable.
I'd suggest you try running a Rogers RUU (one that's actually for your phone) to see if it helps. I don't know if it will though.
In future don't go looking all over the place, stay in the One XL forum and only EVER flash software/firmware from it. You'll find it here.
Sent from my Evita
I ended up in a state similar to yours once.
Fastboot was still working so I flashed a modified hboot from this thread and then I was able to boot into bootloader. from there I think I ran an RUU.
exad said:
I ended up in a state similar to yours once.
Fastboot was still working so I flashed a modified hboot from this thread and then I was able to boot into bootloader. from there I think I ran an RUU.
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Seems to be a good idea, but unfortunatly my hboot is 1.11 and there is no hboot 1.11 file ...
That's because you've put a non One XL bootloader on your phone by following that tutorial. You're not looking for an RUU that matches your current setup, you're looking for an appropriate RUU for your phone.
I suggest you do a lot of reading and learning before you attempt anything else though, you're in way over your head which is pretty dangerous as you've found out.
Sent from my Evita
timmaaa said:
That's because you've put a non One XL bootloader on your phone by following that tutorial. You're not looking for an RUU that matches your current setup, you're looking for an appropriate RUU for your phone.
I suggest you do a lot of reading and learning before you attempt anything else though, you're in way over your head which is pretty dangerous as you've found out.
Sent from my Evita
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Yeah, I admit that it's a bit complicated... I use to flash rom on phone but I found it's very special on HTC's phone !
BUT, maybe (and certainly you're gonna proove me I'm wrong!^^) I think bootloader 1.11 is also good for HTC one XL. I've been looking at the link in you signature, and in that link there is stock RUU for HTC one XL : Stock ruu and related > HTC OTA and RUU collection > brings us here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=37227608
And here, in ROGER cannada there is this one with my hboot :
1.94.631.3
File Timestamp: 29/06/12
Publically Seen: 30/07/12
Android: 4.0.3
Kernel: 3.0.8-01169-g209f9dc
hboot: 1.11.0000
radio: 0.18as.32.09.28L_10.103.32.24
adsp: 28.1.0.32.0504
wcnss: 1031120A
tp_syn3202: 3.0_PR1100755
tz: 001.031.511
sbl1: 001.031.503
sbl2: 001.031.501
sbl3: 001.031.502
OTA: OTA_Evita_UL_Rogers_WWE_1.94.631.3-1.73.631.1_release_268994d5lde1latibkco05.zip
RUU: RUU_Evita_UL_Rogers_WWE_1.94.631.3_Radio_0.18as.32 .09.28L_10.103.32.24L_release_268972_signed.exe
Source: evita-ics-crc-3.0.8-209f9dc.zip
Am I completly wrong ?!
No you're not wrong, I was wrong, that is an RUU for our phone. As long as you're still s-off you should be ok to run that. You might want to take Exad's advice and fix up your hboot first though.
Sent from my Evita
The tutorial linked in the OP seems so convoluted. If the OP already has S-off, why bother with this stuff? You were already in a state (S-off) where you could flash whatever you want, whenever you want. Not have to wait around for OTAs and be limited by stock firmware.
timmaaa said:
No you're not wrong, I was wrong, that is an RUU for our phone. As long as you're still s-off you should be ok to run that. You might want to take Exad's advice and fix up your hboot first though.
Sent from my Evita
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Ok, that's what I've planned to do but,as I said it before, in Exad's topic, there is no my hboot, do you know where can I find mine ?
redpoint73> what do you call "OP" ?!
The OP is the original post, as in your first post. It's also short for original poster, as in you
There are multiple links to downloads in the thread Exad linked to.
Sent from my Evita
timmaaa said:
The OP is the original post, as in your first post. It's also short for original poster, as in you
There are multiple links to downloads in the thread Exad linked to.
Sent from my Evita
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Okay,I've read the whole topic, but there is no 1.11 to dowload. But there is people which were in 1.11 just like me and flash 1.09.
So gonna try with 1.09
You can get hboot 1.11.0000 inside any OTA that shipped it, eg Rogers 1.94.
I am not following why you want hboot 1.11, you can upgrade hboot to 1.14.
Typically downgrading hboot is harder than upgrading it
Why not just flash the AT&T 3.18 RUU?
twistedddx said:
You can get hboot 1.11.0000 inside any OTA that shipped it, eg Rogers 1.94.
I am not following why you want hboot 1.11, you can upgrade hboot to 1.14.
Typically downgrading hboot is harder than upgrading it
Why not just flash the AT&T 3.18 RUU?
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EXCELLENT !
I had my bootloader back !!! (and the white HTC screen !)
Thank you to all of you... Really !
Gonna ask you few more questions ...
I 'm now TAMPERED, unlocked, S-OFF super CID, hboot 1.09. It means that I can install a european RUU right now ? Nothing else to do than plug the phone and run the RUU ?
As long as you run an RUU meant for your phone you should be fine.
Sent from my Evita
timmaaa said:
As long as you run an RUU meant for your phone you should be fine.
Sent from my Evita
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Hey !
Still having a problem ...
I'm trying to put a french RUU (the only one I've found...) RUU_EVITA_UL_ICS_40_S_Vodafone_FR_2.34.163.2_Radio_0.20os.32.09.10_2_10.113.32.28L_release_275673_signed
But I got an error when I tried to flash my phone:
An error (-5001 : 0x0070002) has occured while running the setup .....
I've read that it's because I'm trying to downgrade or something like that... I've been typing fastboot getvar version-main
Version-main: 3.17.707.1
So, what can I do ?
[edit] I'm not looking especially for a french version if there is some kind of HTC "pure" international version...
Are you sure you're s-off? Click on the link in my signature, it's a resource thread and there you'll find RUU threads.
Sent from my Evita
timmaaa said:
Are you sure you're s-off? Click on the link in my signature, it's a resource thread and there you'll find RUU threads.
Sent from my Evita
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Yes, I'm sure. I've been into differents threads, I always find this vodafone RUU (which I just see isn't a "naked" RUU)
There is no HTC evita "international" RUU ?
Check here, the HTC Hong Kong RUUs are WWE.
Sent from my Evita
timmaaa said:
Check here, the HTC Hong Kong RUUs are WWE.
Sent from my Evita
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Hello !
I'm stuck with an other problem right now. (hope it's gonna be the last !). I've put the EVITA vodaphone FR RUU and everything is working perfectly. But, when I try to do an OTA with the phone, it doesn't work: thephone download the OTA but when finished, I got a message saying it's not gonna be installed because of differrent version...
I've been looking for a solution in the forum, but most of the time it just say to relocke the bootloader, and flash an original recovery. That's what I've done from the .zip of a vodafone FR that I've found. I even try to put the vodafoneFR CID instead of the superCID, but I still got the same error...
Am I missing something ?
You can't install an OTA on a modified phone. If you want to use Android 4.2.2 / Sense 5 why don't you just flash one of the many ROMs available in our development section? They're all based on the official update.
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Hey guys, here's my current setup.
VLE PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
CID-11111111
HBOOT-1.13.0000
RADIO-0.16.31501S.17_2
kernel version
3.0.8-01136-g9d2ad31
[email protected] #1
SMP PREEMPT Wed Apr 25 19:50:43 CST 2012
Baseband Version
0.16.31501S.17_2_10.23.31501S.10L
Build number
1.78.401.2CL58751 release-keys
Currently on Ruu ICS
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My question is, how to I upgrade my phone to jelly bean? I wanna know also if should I upgrade my HBOOT? I'm kinda in a dilemma here because I honestly don't know what to do, Last time I flashed was last year and now I feel totally new again, especially because of this new HBoot upgrade thing. thank you and hope you can help me.
No update needed for jelly bean. CM 10 is a jelly bean based ROM (4.1) that will work for you.
You will need to upgrade your hboot if you plan on using any 3.4 kernels (most 4.2 jelly bean ROMs).
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I have a big problem and can't fixed it
Now I'm on Hboot 2.15 and S-ON and CID:Roger001
I want to S-off or supercid but I'm follow all methods included All in one kits
Supercid after corrected in hex editor and push to sdcard had same cid.
CID ROGER001 and not change to 11111111
So I'm choose S-off without supercid, but its error 99 codes
and no s-off
I want to go back low hboot but now I can't install stock RUU cause ROGER RUU.exe had lower hboot than 2.15
after execute stock RUU it has error
Oh...no.. What should I do?
Anyone help me?,please
I think SuperCID is impossible with 2.15. At least it didn't work for me.
Don't know about s-off.
abracadabra11 said:
No update needed for jelly bean. CM 10 is a jelly bean based ROM (4.1) that will work for you.
You will need to upgrade your hboot if you plan on using any 3.4 kernels (most 4.2 jelly bean ROMs).
Sent from my One S using xda app-developers app
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thanks mate!
kasuma_asuma said:
thanks mate!
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Latest cm roms require jb firmware because of kernel and hboot checks.
Just read op.
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add114 said:
I have a big problem and can't fixed it
Now I'm on Hboot 2.15 and S-ON and CID:Roger001
I want to S-off or supercid but I'm follow all methods included All in one kits
Supercid after corrected in hex editor and push to sdcard had same cid.
CID ROGER001 and not change to 11111111
So I'm choose S-off without supercid, but its error 99 codes
and no s-off
I want to go back low hboot but now I can't install stock RUU cause ROGER RUU.exe had lower hboot than 2.15
after execute stock RUU it has error
Oh...no.. What should I do?
Anyone help me?,please
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To do SuperCID you have to, not just push it back, but also replace a partition by dd command with root privileges. I was on 2.15 and I changed SuperCID then I've just choose RUU that was suggested by Moonshine. Moonshine didn't work but Facepalm eventually did.
Hello My Dear Learners & Teachers....:angel:
my question is my At&t HOX is on 4.0.3 ICS Wanted To Install JB i went to htc site and got the RUU Link
(RUU_EVITA_UL_JB_45_S_Cingular_US_3.18.502.6_Radio_0.24p.32.09.06_10.130.32.34_release_signed_With_Partial)
The Filename mentioned ... want to know is it correct RUU for my At&t HOX?
My Current Info is
Software Number "1.85.502.3" | Radio 0.17.32.09.12 | Hboot 1.09.0000
That is the right RUU for the AT&T version.
Is your phone stock or modded?
xoreg93 said:
Hello My Dear Learners & Teachers....:angel:
my question is my At&t HOX is on 4.0.3 ICS Wanted To Install JB i went to htc site and got the RUU Link
(RUU_EVITA_UL_JB_45_S_Cingular_US_3.18.502.6_Radio_0.24p.32.09.06_10.130.32.34_release_signed_With_Partial)
The Filename mentioned ... want to know is it correct RUU for my At&t HOX?
My Current Info is
Software Number "1.85.502.3" | Radio 0.17.32.09.12 | Hboot 1.09.0000
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If you have Super CID, do not run the RUU. It will brick your phone.
If you're not sure, type the following command into your command line:
fastboot oem
readcid
redpoint73 said:
That is the right RUU for the AT&T version.
Is your phone stock or modded?
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//JavaJ said:
If you have Super CID, do not run the RUU. It will brick your phone.
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If the phone is s-on, yes that is right.
First of All Thanksss
yeahhhh its S-on
and please let me know why super cid will brick?? I thought super cid means any ruu will work..lol :silly:
and no mine is not super cid ... so I will upgrade it. :highfive:
SuperCID just means that at&t phones were able to unlock via htcdev because the at&t CID was blocked. SuperCID + s-on + jb RUU = brick. This is because a CID check that occurs halfway through the RUU update doesn't allow the RUU to finish, therefore ending up with a partially completed RUU, which means a bricked phone.
Sent from my Evita
xoreg93 said:
and please let me know why super cid will brick?? I thought super cid means any ruu will work..lol :silly:
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What timmaaa mentioned is basically a bug. The RUU shoudn't run halfway like that, but for some reason on JB RUUs, it does (past RUUs were fine with SuperCID).
But also, what you said above is not true. SuperCID will not allow "any" RUU to work. It only bypasses CID check. Trying to run a RUU for an older hboot will fail version check. You need s-off to run "any" RUU.
thanksssss ALL Update Successful.....
Hey guys,
Where can I find the RUU for HBOOT 2.15.0000, RADIO 1.13.50.05.31 ?
I've looked all over and cannot find it.
Any help appreciated.
Seconded. I've looked for a RUU on and off for the last several months.
808phone said:
Hey guys,
Where can I find the RUU for HBOOT 2.15.0000, RADIO 1.13.50.05.31 ?
I've looked all over and cannot find it.
Any help appreciated.
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What is your CID?
92lucio92 said:
what is your cid?
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my cid:
TMOBO010
thanks!
808phone said:
my cid:
TMOBO010
thanks!
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Why you need this specific ruu?
It may be this one: http://www.androidruu.com/getdownlo..._10.30.50.08L_release_309489_signed_ICS_2.exe
92Lucio92 said:
Why you need this specific ruu?
It may be this one: http://www.androidruu.com/getdownlo..._10.30.50.08L_release_309489_signed_ICS_2.exe
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Thanks! I was told that I needed the same RUU as what I had on the phone or else I could not restore if I didn't have S-OFF.
Are you saying that I can install a _newer_ RUU at any time than what I have?
Thanks,
Aron
Yes, you can always install the same or newer version. To install older you need to be S-off.
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WOW! OK, well that opens things up.
Here's my plan, please tell me if it makes sense.
1: I will try firewater s-off. Let's see if that works. Right now I am back to RELOCKED so we will see if the temporary root method works for firewater s-off.
2: Assuming the above works, I will them put in TWRP recovery (fastboot flash recovery xxxxx)
I would think that this would give me s-off, and finally a custom recovery software.
I am not sure at this point if I need SuperSU if I have s-off and TWRP installed and an unlocked boot loader.
Thanks!!!!
BTW: I had previously unlocked boot loader, installed TWRP, superSU. Tried to install CM11 and when I flashed the boot.img it screwed up my phone. Now I am back to RELOCKED and stock Jellybean.
808phone said:
WOW! OK, well that opens things up.
Here's my plan, please tell me if it makes sense.
1: I will try firewater s-off. Let's see if that works. Right now I am back to RELOCKED so we will see if the temporary root method works for firewater s-off.
2: Assuming the above works, I will them put in TWRP recovery (fastboot flash recovery xxxxx)
I would think that this would give me s-off, and finally a custom recovery software.
I am not sure at this point if I need SuperSU if I have s-off and TWRP installed and an unlocked boot loader.
Thanks!!!!
BTW: I had previously unlocked boot loader, installed TWRP, superSU. Tried to install CM11 and when I flashed the boot.img it screwed up my phone. Now I am back to RELOCKED and stock Jellybean.
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I would look into moonshine s-off first. I've read of some people having problems with firewater.
Moonshine S-Off
You have to be patient with it, but it's completely foolproof. I've used it on two HTC One S models without fail.
OK, but with moonshine I need to go to HTC dev an unlock the boot loader again. Also I'm worried that it will change HBOOT. Seems spooky.
808phone said:
OK, but with moonshine I need to go to HTC dev an unlock the boot loader again. Also I'm worried that it will change HBOOT. Seems spooky.
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It's not spooky at all. Even though it changes the hboot, the hboot is technically still listed as 2.15 and is compatible with any ROM in the dev section (except the ones that require 2.16, of course).
Thanks. I noticed another thing. With moonshine I have to update my ROM to :3.14.531.11
808phone said:
Thanks. I noticed another thing. With moonshine I have to update my ROM to :3.14.531.11
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Yep. It has to be on the stock version of Jelly Bean 4.1 to work. Although I've read that it's also okay if you've upgraded to 3.14.531.17. It will work with that firmware upgrade too if you just use the same process as if it were on 3.14.531.11.
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Yep. It has to be on the stock version of Jelly Bean 4.1 to work. Although I've read that it's also okay if you've upgraded to 3.14.531.17. It will work with that firmware upgrade too if you just use the same process as if it were on 3.14.531.11.
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OK I know my software number is 3.14.531.17
But when you look at something like HBOOT 2.15.0000, RADIO 1.13.50.05.31 how does that correlate to the software number? Is there a way to find out? Very confused by this.
Thanks!
808phone said:
OK I know my software number is 3.14.531.17
But when you look at something like HBOOT 2.15.0000, RADIO 1.13.50.05.31 how does that correlate to the software number? Is there a way to find out? Very confused by this.
Thanks!
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Hboot version is the version of the bootloader. Radio is the version of the firmware for the equipment in the phone that controls your mobile data/WiFi connection. These usually are upgraded along with a major software update like 3.14.531.11.
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Thanks! I was just wondering why the software version is not listed in the RUU number.
Something like:
HBOOT 2.15.0000, RADIO 1.13.50.05.31 Version 3.14.531.17 RUU
OK, never mind. I can't believe it was so easy to find the RUU. Right on HTC's site!
And HTC DOES list the software number:
RUU_Ville_U_JB_45_S_TMOUS_3.14.531.17_Radio_1.13.50.05.31_10.30.50.08L_release_320836_ICS_2_JB.exe
OK, I am ready to try S-OFF.
Thanks for the help.
808phone said:
Thanks! I was just wondering why the software version is not listed in the RUU number.
Something like:
HBOOT 2.15.0000, RADIO 1.13.50.05.31 Version 3.14.531.17 RUU
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The software version usually is in the RUU number, actually. The one for yours is:
RUU_Ville_U_JB_45_S_TMOUS_3.14.531.11_Radio_1.13.50.05.31_10.30.50.08L_release_309489_signed_ICS_2
It notes that it's for the Ville and not VilleC2, and that it is JB (Jelly Bean), that its for T-Mobile US, then the software number, then the radio version. They're all named pretty much in this order.
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Thanks for the help guys but moonshine and firewater s-off didn't work for me.
Moonshine gets stuck with a ton of .............. over and over.
Firewater crashes out of adb shell.
Another user has the same ROM etc... he tried all of the options (except all in one toolkit) and none work.
I thought I saw a manual way of getting s-off but I can't find the link now.
Hello Xda
i am using phone one x att and i need upgrade it to 4.2.2 current update at htc.com
i know lot abt adb/shell and work up things if i have instructions as i updated my htc one m7 att to sense 6 ota also yesterday from 4.1.2..
am just confused a little and cannot find info related in forum that i had to be s-off and flash ruu or i have to clear up my cid before doing so
i be heartly thankful to you to guide me on this
need instructions to update my one x att to 4.2.2 via ota or ruu
my phones info is
***TAMPERED***
***UNLOCKED***
EVITA PVT SHIP S-ON RL
HBOOT- 1.14.0002
RADIO- 0.19as.32.09.11_2
OpenDSP- v29.1.0.45.0622
SUPERCID- 2222222
P.s am currently on 4.0.4 rom
You definitely need to either get s-off or change your CID back to stock before running any RUU (s-on + SuperCID + jb RUU = brick). Do you currently have root on the 4.0.4 ROM you're on? Try issuing this fastboot command:
Code:
fastboot oem writecid CWS__001
It most likely won't work but it's worth a shot. Check the CID afterwards with this command:
Code:
fastboot oem readcid
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timmaaa said:
You definitely need to either get s-off or change your CID back to stock before running any RUU (s-on + SuperCID + jb RUU = brick). Do you currently have root on the 4.0.4 ROM you're on? Try issuing this fastboot command:
Code:
fastboot oem writecid CWS__001
It most likely won't work but it's worth a shot. Check the CID afterwards with this command:
Code:
fastboot oem readcid
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hello timmaaa
yes am on 4.0.4 and its rooted yes
i see it have custom recovery not stock ....
i did the command in cmd and now it showing my cid as CWS__001
@timmaaa
what to do next kindly
Cool, now that you have the stock CID you can just go ahead and run the RUU. If you need directions there is an RUU tutorial in our General Section.
Sent from my Evita
timmaaa said:
Cool, now that you have the stock CID you can just go ahead and run the RUU. If you need directions there is an RUU tutorial in our General Section.
Sent from my Evita
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thnx @timmaaa
just one thing lastly
can i run any ruu version related to att one x
am on 4.0.4 and hboot 1.14
so it wont have any affect? if i want direct to run 4.2.2 ruu from htc.com webiste which have 5.18.502.1 and sense 5
Running that RUU will be fine.
Sent from my Evita
@timmaaa
i ran the ruu i mentioned but i gives me error 159 i tried both ways ... running while phone is on and while putting it in bootloader
while it try to send the image it gives error 159
any assisstance here ?
@timmaaa
thankyou for your assisstance .. i appreciate alot
and finally i updated my one x at to 4.2.2 with official ruu on htc site
so here was wat i should have done
i knewed there was problem of cid .. and u told me to redo it to stock one and thank you u saved me from brick lol cuz i knewed that was the consequence of that
Ruu was giving me error ... all i had to do was ... relock bootloader and run ruu and that all ... am on 4.2.2
thank you again .... i hope this info might help some other too
adeel617 said:
@timmaaa
thankyou for your assisstance .. i appreciate alot
and finally i updated my one x at to 4.2.2 with official ruu on htc site
so here was wat i should have done
i knewed there was problem of cid .. and u told me to redo it to stock one and thank you u saved me from brick lol cuz i knewed that was the consequence of that
Ruu was giving me error ... all i had to do was ... relock bootloader and run ruu and that all ... am on 4.2.2
thank you again .... i hope this info might help some other too
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Excellent, glad to see you got it updated. I forgot to mention you would need to relock the bootloader, sorry about that. Thanks for posting your results and how you overcame that problem, that's the best thing to do here on XDA, the more information available the better.
Sent from my Evita
timmaaa said:
Excellent, glad to see you got it updated. I forgot to mention you would need to relock the bootloader, sorry about that. Thanks for posting your results and how you overcame that problem, that's the best thing to do here on XDA, the more information available the better.
Sent from my Evita
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its alright i had feeling abt the bootloader and when u didnt replied me earlier i relock and tried and it worked so phone is running smoother now than 4.0.4 lol
exactly u said well more info the best thing
and i love this site from long it helped me lot past couple years .. so far the best web that is full of info and help and great fellow members and admins
thnx