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I know that many are excited about the 'sweetness' of ICS that's suppose to drop this month. I did have a TF Prime for 2 weeks (returned it due to issues). I miss the shiny svelte tab for sure, but it had way too many issues to deal with. No thx on being a BETA tester for ASUS unless they decide to send me a tablet for free.
Anyway it seems we've been hearing/talking about ICS for ages now (in fact it's only been 9 months or so I'd guess). When details where finally released on it, I admit I was somewhat disappointed.
Sure for people on Gingerbread, ICS is a huge step forward, but for all of us that have been using HC for up to nearly a year now, it didn't seem to offer that much.
Looking over wikipedia the only thing that I see that gets me excited is Hardware Acceleration of the UI, just about every other feature either exists in HC, is available in apps, or makes little difference to those of us using a TF101 (IMHO).
Now i will admit that once the Dev's create a stable ROM I'll drop that onto the device but I'm just not that excited for a new font. I do think that ICS being both a tablet and phone OS is good going forward for app development, and we should see those advantages play out over time in a more stable environment as well as more available apps, but as it stands currently I'm just not that excited for ICS.
I just looked at Platform stats;
Cupcake 0.6%
Donut 1.0%
Eclair 7.6%
Froyo 27.8%
Gingerbread 58.6%
Honeycomb 3.4%
Ice Cream Sandwich 1.0%
Talk about different user experiences ....WOW....I wish that Google could somehow shut down everything prior to Gingerbread, and force everyone up, with at least 37% of devices using these long outdated OS versions, it's no wonder that we constantly hear the 'fragmented' comment about Android.
I'm not sure what kind of ground breaking innovative features you were expecting in ICS. Although I agree that some of these features are available with third party apps, I believe your average everyday user will benefit from having them built in rather than needing to search through the market once they hear of some feature they would enjoy. You have to remember that we are almost surely the minority of overall Android users here on XDA compared to the general public, as we are more comfortable tinkering with our devices than others. And anything that can bring Android tablets closer to on par with the iPad, currently at the top of the tablet world, is a benefit to the Android platform and is "worth it."
As far as the fragmentation goes, I don't think the different OS versions you mentioned are what most people refer to as the "fragmentation" of Android. Rather, it is the manufacturers skin (HTC's Sense, Motorola MotoBlur, etc.) of each platform, which can be confusing to common users when switching between them. However, this is part of the beauty of Android; users can pick which skin suits them best, or as power users such as those of us on XDA can do, change the Android software if we like the hardware of the device but don't care for the software. Granted, more to your point, most iPhone users are probably on IOS 4 or above compared to those on Gingerbread or above, although I can't verify this fact with a quick Google search.
IMHO, I'm more excited to see CyanogenMod 9 on the TF101 than ICS in general. I've been a loyal user of Android Revolution HD, but I'm looking forward to see what the CM team has to offer in regards to the options/customizations available seen in every other CM ROM (AR is based on stock TF101 ROM, with plenty of enhancements of course).
If you would have tried out paulburton's ICS port you would see the truly immense differences that it brings. Honeycomb was not a finished product on is release and was only pushed out to compete with the iPad so there were a lot of things wrong with it. Now with ICS we will have a smother experience along with greater uniformity. The promise of CM9 is just the icing on the cake
Yeah I'm looking forward to CM9 on the TF101 as well...I did try out an Ipad2 after i returned my Prime. I didn't find much that i could criticize about the device ( other then price)....the thing was solid and just worked (which is more then i can say about the Prime)....I'm looking forward to the MeMo hopefully by then ICS will have been patched up to a level that makes it robust. The padphone as well looks good (and being able to use this dock is sweet)...but i do wonder if it will even make its way to NA
As for expectations for ICS....I don't know maybe I thought we'd see something revolutionary....like User profiles....more support for external devices like DVD drives... native printer support
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Yeah I'm looking forward to CM9 on the TF101 as well...I did try out an Ipad2 after i returned my Prime. I didn't find much that i could criticize about the device ( other then price)....the thing was solid and just worked (which is more then i can say about the Prime)....I'm looking forward to the MeMo hopefully by then ICS will have been patched up to a level that makes it robust. The padphone as well looks good (and being able to use this dock is sweet)...but i do wonder if it will even make its way to NA
As for expectations for ICS....I don't know maybe I thought we'd see something revolutionary....like User profiles....more support for external devices like DVD drives... native printer support
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lol its a mobile OS not linux..
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lol its a mobile OS not linux..
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Its virtual machine on top of linux so most of what he is saying could be done but would obviously be cm based or aosp done by our devs
User profiles are available already theres a root app that creates partitions for each profile or user
Printer support i know through bluetoth theres a couple apps for it but nothing native or other than wifi/bluetooth
Im just saying its good to dream and in this guys case both the things he mentioned are do-able
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I wouldn't mind being able to print web pages and graphics from the tf on my wifi printer.
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I wouldn't mind being able to print web pages and graphics from the tf on my wifi printer.
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Have a look in the market. There are printing apps from canon for example.
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I've tried the HoneyComb on a variety of Android tablets (transformer, Toshiba thrive, galaxy tab 10.1, acer, and some others), and it seems laggy: scrolling the home screen left and right lags when doing it fast. is ICS better and faster on the original transformer (for those who tried the ports)?
I'm planning on getting an EEE Transformer (not Prime) soon, before they get out of the market. Already it got sold out in 2 local shops who put them on promotion, preparing for the prime. I might find the base 16GB Wifi only for around €350.
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Have a look in the market. There are printing apps from canon for example.
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All android printing apps are printer dependent. Android has no printing layer. I think this is ridiculous. Android has much more potential for being a desktop replacement than iOS (I use it for 90% of the tasks I use my MacBook Pro for) but there is no printing layer.
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For the whiny little snots who don't think the TF101/HC is fast enough or must always have the latest versions, ICS ought to be worth it. Everything else is just evolution like Froyo -> Gingerbread. Worth it but not a game killer as long as stuff works. I prefer ICS to HC the same as I prefer GB to Froyo.
On the Prime I really noticed the speed difference in ICS, but was already 250% satisified with the TF101 speed under HC (which isn't all that different from the Prime on HC IMHO).
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im an update junkie first and foremost but i am eager for ics for other reasons as well. CM9 is awesome. But a stable release allows custom roms to pick out the latest working code. Even a semi stock but optimized rom with custom oc kernel is great.
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but was already 250% satisified with the TF101 speed under HC (which isn't all that different from the Prime on HC IMHO).
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The only thing that you must have notice was the browser speed. It lags terribly on HC during loading of the page, but from what I read it also lags on ICS sometimes, so I don't know if the update will be worth it.
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Have a look in the market. There are printing apps from canon for example.
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Hmmm..thanks! I never even thought to look in the market, i have a canon pixma mp495, which is listed under compatible printers with the app Canon EPP, so maybe it will work
I'll let you guys know if it is worth it. (replacing more and more functions of my laptop daily this transformer is)
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Wow. Just what i was looking for scan and print! Nice..
Brother Printer App available too
luna_c666 said:
Hmmm..thanks! I never even thought to look in the market, i have a canon pixma mp495, which is listed under compatible printers with the app Canon EPP, so maybe it will work
I'll let you guys know if it is worth it. (replacing more and more functions of my laptop daily this transformer is)
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Wow. Just what i was looking for scan and print! Nice..
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I have a brother wifi printer and there is a nice app for it. It has been updated several times since I first downloaded it. I have it on my tf and my captivate. It has helped me greatly.
For example, yesterday I picked up my daughter after work and went home. She fell asleep about 15 minutes before we got home. And, we were planning on going to dinner because we had a coupon. So, I pulled in the driveway, left the car running, let my cappy connect to my wifi and printed the coupon from my phone. My wife grabbed it and joined us in the car while my daughter continued to sleep peacefully.
I never thought a smart phone could help my daughter get a better nap until yesterday.
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The only thing that you must have notice was the browser speed. It lags terribly on HC during loading of the page, but from what I read it also lags on ICS sometimes, so I don't know if the update will be worth it.
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Opera Mobile has been my daily browser on each, so I can't say that I noticed much. Page loading in the stock still tends to be slow. What is different on the Prime, is how much faster/smoother the ICS UI is compared to HC on the Prime. I'm almost tempted to hit the force GPU rendering option in Settings -> Developer Options, just to see how wide spread it can be.
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I just looked at Platform stats;
Cupcake 0.6%
Donut 1.0%
Eclair 7.6%
Froyo 27.8%
Gingerbread 58.6%
Honeycomb 3.4%
Ice Cream Sandwich 1.0%
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You should see Apple's OS fragmentation, it's MUCH worse than that. Steve Jobs was a liar when we told the world of Android fragmentation.
Fragmentation plagues any device with frequent OS changes..I'm still on Windows XP on one PC, windows Vista on two of them, and Win7 on another PC..also, my wife has gingerbread on her phone, I have honeycomb on my tab, and ICS on my (identical model to my wife's) phone. Eh..any technology that becomes so quickly updated and made obsolete so easily will create such fragmentation..people can't always afford to upgrade just because their device is replaced with a new model, some people just don't like change even when OS updates are available. This is also exacerbated when the old OS will not run on older devices thus updates are not possible for many people who would like to have them. Perhaps ICS will run for a while until Jelly Bean comes out and allow old froyo and GB devices to leave the market and consumers retire them, and more devices will be consolidated on Android 4.x- will certainly make developing cross-platform apps easier to achieve.
Of course, now that I have ICS, I can't wait to see what JB is going to add to my device..
Yes it will. Because of this: https://market.android.com/details?id=com.android.chrome - I want ICS NOW!
Wondering if someone that is a lot smarter than me can help me understand this device more. I'm debating whether to return it and would like to know the following:
1. Is it likely that further firmware updates from Asus will improve the speed of scrolling through picture heavy websites and Facebook?
2. Will firmware updates increase speed to open websites?
3. As part of helping me understand the above questions, could someone please point out the hardware components of this device that contribute to the above lag (if there are any).
4. As much as I hate to admit it, the ipad almost does everything I want. My hypocrisy only goes so far though and I absolutely refuse to use itunes. Is there any specific hardware (other than display) that the ipad has that is better than this tablet? This question may help restore my faith that this device will eventually work more smoothly.
Thanks so much for any info you can provide. Hoping for unbiased answers if possible.
Put it this way... At its current state ICS and Tegra 3 are not working very well with each other. The new upgrade to ICS is Jelly Bean which will supposedly eliminate most issues that everyone is having. The new Nexus 7in tablet made by ASUS has JB which from what I've heard and seen will make the Infinity and its siblings complete. So looking forward to some Jelly Bean smoothness!!!
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Lurchy24 said:
Wondering if someone that is a lot smarter than me can help me understand this device more. I'm debating whether to return it and would like to know the following:
1. Is it likely that further firmware updates from Asus will improve the speed of scrolling through picture heavy websites and Facebook?
2. Will firmware updates increase speed to open websites?
3. As part of helping me understand the above questions, could someone please point out the hardware components of this device that contribute to the above lag (if there are any).
4. As much as I hate to admit it, the ipad almost does everything I want. My hypocrisy only goes so far though and I absolutely refuse to use itunes. Is there any specific hardware (other than display) that the ipad has that is better than this tablet? This question may help restore my faith that this device will eventually work more smoothly.
Thanks so much for any info you can provide. Hoping for unbiased answers if possible.
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1) To be honest i don't even know if it's Asus fault and i'm saying this because i've heard many complains about lag on Facebook application and site and those complains were coming from people with different devices/platforms
2) I'm positive that with firmware updates (from Asus or custom roms from XDA devs) the performance will get better as for now development on this device is still in early stages
3) Hardware related could be only the poor internal storage chip (also to be seen if this "bottleneck" is hardware or driver/software related)
4) I also have an Apple device (was a gift) but i don't like Apple... but maybe for a productive enviroment i would go with it.But if i want a device that i can "feel" as my own and do everything i want with it (good or bad) i would go with an Android device.
P.S: IMHO nobody can tell you better what is good for you than yourself...
Thanks for the feedback. It sounds like we won't know more until the next firmware update. I just hope it comes out soon in case it turns out to be a hardware deficiency so I can return the device.
Does the Nexus tablet have any better hardware? Is it just Jelly Bean that makes it operate better?
Lurchy24 said:
Wondering if someone that is a lot smarter than me can help me understand this device more. I'm debating whether to return it and would like to know the following:
1. Is it likely that further firmware updates from Asus will improve the speed of scrolling through picture heavy websites and Facebook?
2. Will firmware updates increase speed to open websites?
3. As part of helping me understand the above questions, could someone please point out the hardware components of this device that contribute to the above lag (if there are any).
4. As much as I hate to admit it, the ipad almost does everything I want. My hypocrisy only goes so far though and I absolutely refuse to use itunes. Is there any specific hardware (other than display) that the ipad has that is better than this tablet? This question may help restore my faith that this device will eventually work more smoothly.
Thanks so much for any info you can provide. Hoping for unbiased answers if possible.
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Ok, an unbiased answer, huh.... I'll give it a shot.
1) and 2) I'll answer these in cnjunction with eachother, as I think they are intertwined. I think that in the coming months ASUS will give out more updates that quite possibly will tackle any remaining issues with the tablet software-wise. Quite obviously, any hardware-related issues will remain fully in effect. So, as far as any stuttering or hiccups related to the OS or drivers are concerned, I think we should be seeing improvement; that goes for opening websites and scrolling speed, etc. as well. (However, keep in mind that comparing loading and scrolling speed is not exactly trivial due to a lot of parameters involved.)
3) Nobody in here will be able to tell you this, I'm afraid, or somebody has opened up his TF700 without me noticing the post. We have suspicions it's the emmc storage that is causing the I/O issues (Hynix?), but it might be (partly) due to the driverset used.
4) If the iPad suits your needs, why not pick an iPad? There are several good applications available that provide sync without iTunes being involved.The display is an obvious numerical]/i]advantage over the TF700, although the TF700 has visibly higher screen bightness and the screen resolution is not noticeably better in practical usage. To me, the extra (removable) storage availabe is priceless, and the charging dock is a real boon!
Lurchy24 said:
Thanks for the feedback. It sounds like we won't know more until the next firmware update. I just hope it comes out soon in case it turns out to be a hardware deficiency so I can return the device.
Does the Nexus tablet have any better hardware? Is it just Jelly Bean that makes it operate better?
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The hardware of the Nexus 7 is slower than the one from the Infinity.
The Infinity has a higher resolution though so at the end it's probably more or less the same.
But I can tell you Jelly Bean is a huge improvement in terms of fluidity.
Not without a reason costs the Galaxy Nexus now 50 bucks more than before the update.
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Lurchy24 said:
Thanks for the feedback. It sounds like we won't know more until the next firmware update. I just hope it comes out soon in case it turns out to be a hardware deficiency so I can return the device.
Does the Nexus tablet have any better hardware? Is it just Jelly Bean that makes it operate better?
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Its not better in specs it has the same tegra 3 processors as the infinity just slower at 1.2ghz vs the infinity that is clocked at 1.6ghz. The key to it is that it is optimized by the new Jelly Bean os. Things run a lot smoother when processors and os (ICS) is not fighting over how things should run when an application is launched navigating from screen to screen, browsing, power management etc. Once it drops everyone hopefully will be satisfied with there investment. This is of coarse just my opinion from reading and trying out the nexus 7 tablet.
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Thanks again for the answers. I think that I'll hold out for the update as I do appreciate the added functionality this tablet carries.
I'll admit that I'm still a bit noob about tablets and such, so figured better safe than sorry. In terms of rootability/rom modding/custom recovery/etc, is there any difference between TF700T and TF700 or is it just a designation between if the tablet can use the keyboard setup or not? While I love my Toshiba Thrive 10', Toshiba has not endeared themselves to me with their update schedules and I've been looking around for a new tablet that allows a LOT of customization (ie, stuff listed above) and isn't locked down and has good updates. would this tablet fit that criteria?
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I'll admit that I'm still a bit noob about tablets and such, so figured better safe than sorry. In terms of rootability/rom modding/custom recovery/etc, is there any difference between TF700T and TF700 or is it just a designation between if the tablet can use the keyboard setup or not? While I love my Toshiba Thrive 10', Toshiba has not endeared themselves to me with their update schedules and I've been looking around for a new tablet that allows a LOT of customization (ie, stuff listed above) and isn't locked down and has good updates. would this tablet fit that criteria?
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as far as I know there is only one model out there in view of custom roms, unlock tools, etc.
masiegel said:
as far as I know there is only one model out there in view of custom roms, unlock tools, etc.
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ahh okay, so pretty probable than that its just something people usually omit from the name? well that makes it easier than =3
I am new to the Custom rom world and I have seen multiple roms out there. Since I am a Newb , can anyone explain the rom they have and its pros and cons? I am not to big on the customization, more of the most normal settings chosen on the roms and its overall performance. I have seen CleanRom with all these different CPU frequencies and such, but I dont know which one to pick. I dont want to OC my stuff at all as a quad core tegra is more then enough. If I could get some personal views that would be wondeful.
Also, since it is a custom rom, would it be already rooted?
Tylor
Who is a newb to this society
CROMI is based off stock Asus. Just let the installer do its thing and take all the default recommendations and you won't be over-clocking and you'll have very good performance.
Yes roms come rooted
I am on CROMI 3.3, which was developed by sbdags up top here, who carefully avoided to toot his own horn - and he doesn't have to since there are so many like me who are just ecstatic about what this ROM did for this tablet.
CROMI is the first (and probably the last) custom ROM I have tried, so I cannot compare it to the ClockworkMods.
But what I can tell you is, that CROMI is a giant improvement of the original Asus ROM, which stayed pretty close to pure Android already. CWM is build from the ground up and my GUESS would be: Potentially more conflicts with the hardware.
So the pros would be: close to stock rom only much better, excellent support by very dedicated people on this forum, it's stable and works like a dream....
No cons - not from my side.
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I installed CleanRom yesterday and I would agree that it is a great rom. the best move asus could ever do in developing 4.2 is to ask people who own their tablets to help build their roms. and I agree no cons with it that I can see. Thanks for the reply and I do regret waiting so long to put this rom on my tablet
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I'm simply confused of why does asus release updates on the lower end model?
I ditched the 300 for the infinity, and never looked behind but now it kind of backfires, i'm still hoping 4.2 will solve some of the lag issues, i just don't understand why the 300 is smoother with lower specs, ( dont bring screen res in this please )
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ray3andrei said:
i just don't understand why the 300 is smoother with lower specs, ( dont bring screen res in this please )
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Sounds to me like you don't want to understand.
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I'm simply confused of why does asus release updates on the lower end model?
I ditched the 300 for the infinity, and never looked behind but now it kind of backfires, i'm still hoping 4.2 will solve some of the lag issues, i just don't understand why the 300 is smoother with lower specs, ( dont bring screen res in this please )
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Well if you would ask me i would say they are experimenting on the lower end tablet before updating their flagship. I know many won't agree with me and though Tein from Asus said that the teams for software development of each of the devices are different I would say why would Asus openly admit that they are testing out their firmware on tf300t. That would outrage tf300t owners.
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Well if you would ask me i would say they are experimenting on the lower end tablet before updating their flagship. I know many won't agree with me and though Tein from Asus said that the teams for software development of each of the devices are different I would say why would Asus openly admit that they are testing out their firmware on tf300t. That would outrage tf300t owners.
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+1 right on bro!!
Didn't we already discuss 4.2 and TF300 and the release here? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2178399
If you don't want to hear "Because of the screen resolution", don't ask the question to which that is the answer. Again, this has been discussed a thousand times.
Deja vu....
And no, there are different development teams... They are different enough devices that even the features on the firmwares are different.
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If you tell me that the screen res is what's causing the problem i'll return the tablet right now, it has a powerful gpu that is capable of running more pixels on some very basic graphics, and a cpu that is even more powerful so dont throw that **** at me that the tf300 is smoother because of the screen res. Sure 3d gaming is where the tf300 outperforms because of the res, but in menu's i bet its something else
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ray3andrei said:
If you tell me that the screen res is what's causing the problem i'll return the tablet right now, it has a powerful gpu that is capable of running more pixels on some very basic graphics, and a cpu that is even more powerful so dont throw that **** at me that the tf300 is smoother because of the screen res. Sure 3d gaming is where the tf300 outperforms because of the res, but in menu's i bet its something else
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The screen res no matter still has something to do with it. On cyanogen 10.1 it is very smooth, in Cromi it is fast but doesnt seem as smooth as cyanogen. I think that is the difference between 4.1.x and 4.2.x. And the bloatware on the tf700 by ASUS seems to be what slows in down tremondously. Also drivers are an issue on it as well. The bloatware when taken away, in Cromi's case, leaves a very fast tablet. ASUS should take some advice from sbdags LOL.
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I do not believe 4.2.1 (or 4.2.2) will solve any of the problems we've been running into -- it might even make them far worse.
@ray3andrei: I'd sell the 700 if I were you. It makes at leats two people on this Earth significantly happier: you, and me. You because you will no longer have to put up with this mediocre POS-in-your-view, and me for not visiting a forum and seeing a "question" posted that has been answred before, and before... Nothing personal in that, mind you, but we all do our best in here to help anyone with issues out, and no one in here has been on the design team for the TF700. Whining won't help -- put your wallet where your opinion is: away from ASUS.
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I do not believe 4.2.1 (or 4.2.2) will solve any of the problems we've been running into -- it might even make them far worse.
@ray3andrei: I'd sell the 700 if I were you. It makes at leats two people on this Earth significantly happier: you, and me. You because you will no longer have to put up with this mediocre POS-in-your-view, and me for not visiting a forum and seeing a "question" posted that has been answred before, and before... Nothing personal in that, mind you, but we all do our best in here to help anyone with issues out, and no one in here has been on the design team for the TF700. Whining won't help -- put your wallet where your opinion is: away from ASUS.
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lol you made my day, all the negative responses, and btw the question was about 4.2 not the lagginess of the tablet, and i have a lot of asus products and im very happy with them,
XDA is just great right now with members like you, nothing personal bro
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lol you made my day, all the negative responses, and btw the question was about 4.2 not the lagginess of the tablet, and i have a lot of asus products and im very happy with them,
XDA is just great right now with members like you, nothing personal bro and last time i checked no1 forces you to post or read this
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ray3andrei said:
I'm simply confused of why does asus release updates on the lower end model?
I ditched the 300 for the infinity, and never looked behind but now it kind of backfires, i'm still hoping 4.2 will solve some of the lag issues, i just don't understand why the 300 is smoother with lower specs, ( dont bring screen res in this please)
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ray3andrei said:
lol you made my day, all the negative responses, and btw the question was about 4.2 not the lagginess of the tablet, and i have a lot of asus products and im very happy with them,
XDA is just great right now with members like you, nothing personal bro
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Get your act together -- you specifically said in your OP that you hoped 4.2 fixed the lag issues. SELL THE 700 AND BUY AN IPAD.
EDIT: How the hell can you tell XDA has gone downhill when you only registered in June 2012, probably when you got your 700? Pffff...
ray3andrei said:
lol you made my day, all the negative responses, and btw the question was about 4.2 not the lagginess of the tablet, and i have a lot of asus products and im very happy with them,
XDA is just great right now with members like you, nothing personal bro
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You asked a question in which you didnt want to be given the answer that is the answer. Yes there are bugs in the Rom but you cannot expect people to give you answer they dont have or you dont want given to you. 4.2 will eventually be released for the tf700, why they released it on the 300 first idk, maybe there was more bugs to work out on the tf700 than on the 300. If you are not happy with the tf700 then go back to the 300. Other then that there are no other answers to be given.
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Rom: Cyanogen Nightlies 10.1 or CleanRom 3.4.4 - Depends on the mood .
They always release stuff for the TF300 first. I would imagine that it has a larger user base and that it's a bit of a guinea pig release for them. I have noted that with previous releases that Asus are fairly quick and knocking out updates to fix things and then the TF700 gets the new patched release as its first release. This is what happened with 4.1.1
Not sure why everyone keeps asserting that they are somehow using the tf300 to improve the update before releasing to the tf700 crowd. Just because it has some logic behind it does not mean that Asus is in any way as logical as your reasoning.
I repeat, Tien has stated in no uncertain terms that the development teams are different and if you look at the features of the devices, they are similar but not the same in most cases, but different enough to require different teams and feature support.
Sdbags... U da man, but sorry, as illogical as it is, Asus is sharing little from one team to the other. It is a total crap shoot at this point what features get implemented and what bugs carry over from one device to another. This has upset me from the beginning and been a point of contention with my many transformer users whom I support in a corporate setting.
As far as I am concerned, they should get some help from the talented developers here, like yourself to get this running properly.
The tf300 is a lower priced device and they are less concerned about backlash from upset users who pay as much as an iPad to get a high end device... They can always claim that it is an entry level device when issues occur with the tf300.
If you look at the features that the 700 has, you can see that there are some additional things that need to be supported before releasing it. IPS+, resolution, different CPU/GPU profiles, support for more ps3 controller profiles, the list goes on.
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jordanmw said:
Not sure why everyone keeps asserting that they are somehow using the tf300 to improve the update before releasing to the tf700 crowd. Just because it has some logic behind it does not mean that Asus is in any way as logical as your reasoning.
I repeat, Tien has stated in no uncertain terms that the development teams are different and if you look at the features of the devices, they are similar but not the same in most cases, but different enough to require different teams and feature support.
Sdbags... U da man, but sorry, as illogical as it is, Asus is sharing little from one team to the other. It is a total crap shoot at this point what features get implemented and what bugs carry over from one device to another. This has upset me from the beginning and been a point of contention with my many transformer users whom I support in a corporate setting.
As far as I am concerned, they should get some help from the talented developers here, like yourself to get this running properly.
The tf300 is a lower priced device and they are less concerned about backlash from upset users who pay as much as an iPad to get a high end device... They can always claim that it is an entry level device when issues occur with the tf300.
If you look at the features that the 700 has, you can see that there are some additional things that need to be supported before releasing it. IPS+, resolution, different CPU/GPU profiles, support for more ps3 controller profiles, the list goes on.
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Having examined the rom files for the TF700 and TF300 the two devices are a lot closer than you think. The firmwares also share many similarities. In fact a TF300 file and a TF700 file are 99% the exact same files so I don't buy the fact that the dev teams don't talk or are different. They are clearly sharing the same source and at times sharing the same outputs.
If you take a TF700 rom and flash it on a TF300 even with a TF700 kernel everything works except the front facing camera. I believe the hardware is different thus causing that. Otherwise they work the same. Even TF300 users have success overclocking to the same speeds as TF700 users..... The reverse is also true - in fact they don't remove the higher res files form the TF300 because in my opinion it is easier to build one version that fits both.
If I were them I would release new stuff to one user base first, get the bugs ironed out and then release to the higher end user base. Seems very logical and a very good IT release strategy to me. And in fact this is what they did with the JB 4.1.1 release and they appear to be doing with the 4.2.1 release. There is no release date for the TF700. Why? Imo (not based on any facts of course) they are waiting to see if it works well. If so they release a version of it for the TF700, if not they patch the TF300 and we wait a bit longer. So far the reviews from the TF300 users is good - no major bugs (unlike the 4.2 google nexus release) so I expect us to have the TF700 version in the first week of April if history repeats itself.
You make a lot of sense man, if I had not heard it from tien and Gary, I wouldn't believe it either. And as much as I agree with your logic, it's just not the case... They both start with the same base from Google, add their custom framework- that IS 99% of the code. They are very close, but as you have seen with the camera, they are not the same device... Bad strategy, I agree.
The only "facts" I have are what the reps have said in dealing with troubleshooting those devices with Asus.
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MartyHulskemper said:
Get your act together -- you specifically said in your OP that you hoped 4.2 fixed the lag issues. SELL THE 700 AND BUY AN IPAD.
EDIT: How the hell can you tell XDA has gone downhill when you only registered in June 2012, probably when you got your 700? Pffff...
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I had an ipad and sold it, because i didnt like it, and i got my tf700 before june, aaaand i like the tablet tbh. And yeah i said i hope 4.2 fixes the lag issues but thats not what im focusing on,
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Tylorw1 said:
You asked a question in which you didnt want to be given the answer that is the answer. Yes there are bugs in the Rom but you cannot expect people to give you answer they dont have or you dont want given to you. 4.2 will eventually be released for the tf700, why they released it on the 300 first idk, maybe there was more bugs to work out on the tf700 than on the 300. If you are not happy with the tf700 then go back to the 300. Other then that there are no other answers to be given.
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I asked that where exactly?
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ray3andrei said:
I asked that where exactly?
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ray3andrei said:
... i just don't understand why the 300 is smoother with lower specs, ( dont bring screen res in this please )...
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ray3andrei said:
I had an ipad and sold it, because i didnt like it, and i got my tf700 before june, aaaand i like the tablet tbh. And yeah i said i hope 4.2 fixes the lag issues but thats not what im focusing on,
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Wat other improvement are you expecting from 4.2 then? Muti-user capability? Hardly game-chaning, isn't it? Very few users actually use it on the devices that provide the capability.