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I have googled the hell out of this, and there just isnt much out there. How much Ram is best for building ROM's? I understand that there is no such thing as too much RAM, but how much is really beneficial? I am currently building from source, and doing some cherry picks with a gateway laptop. 2.1 GHZ dual core AMD vision processor, 4GB Ram DDR3 PC-8500. I am thinking about upgrading to 8GB DDR PC10200. I am wondering if this will speed anything up or not. Or is it just unnecessary spending? The memory is only like $45 shipped so its not overly pricey, but the only thing increasing memory will help me with (or will it?) is compiling and buiding, and syncing. My internet is only ATT DSL and my max download is like 5mb. It is typically my hinderence. Please advise!
And no I cannot upgrade my internet, my complex wont let us have cable from anyone but them and they only offer 1.5mb from bloom, and they want $45 per month. I am paying $20 per month for ATT DSL @ 6mb (which i never get obviously). There are no other DSL providers and like I said the complex wont let any other company bring in cable connections.
It really depends on what OS you're running. A lot of OEMs put x32 Windows on their systems, even though they're all capable of x64 now. If you have a 32-bit system and are running Windows, your OS will limit you to ~3GB of available memory, regardless of how much you have physically installed.
If you're running Linux (which is recommended, I believe, for development), then more memory is always a good thing. The more memory and the faster processor means faster compiling speeds. Faster compiling speed means you can test your ROM/app faster.
Syncing will depend solely on your download speeds, so RAM will not really have any effect on that at all.
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It really depends on what OS you're running. A lot of OEMs put x32 Windows on their systems, even though they're all capable of x64 now. If you have a 32-bit system and are running Windows, your OS will limit you to ~3GB of available memory, regardless of how much you have physically installed.
If you're running Linux (which is recommended, I believe, for development), then more memory is always a good thing. The more memory and the faster processor means faster compiling speeds. Faster compiling speed means you can test your ROM/app faster.
Syncing will depend solely on your download speeds, so RAM will not really have any effect on that at all.
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You can't build source in windows and he has stated he is building from source so he's on linux.
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Illnevertell said:
You can't build source in windows and he has stated he is building from source so he's on linux.
Ram isn't dudes problem your processor could use an upgrade though with a decent dual core building at standard -j4 will take roughly 2 hours on cm
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You can't build source in windows and he has stated he is building from source so he's on linux.
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That wasn't mentioned in the OP, but my comments about 32-bit vs 64-bit still hold. There are ways to virtualize, and that would run differently than a full install.
Ram isn't dudes problem your processor could use an upgrade though with a decent dual core building at standard -j4 will take roughly 2 hours on cm
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The AMD Vision series are dual, quad, and octo core processors. I'm guessing that his is at least a dual core already. Not saying an upgrade wouldn't help, but it's harder to upgrade a laptop processor than a desktop one.
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That wasn't mentioned in the OP, but my comments about 32-bit vs 64-bit still hold. There are ways to virtualize, and that would run differently than a full install.
The AMD Vision series are dual, quad, and octo core processors. I'm guessing that his is at least a dual core already. Not saying an upgrade wouldn't help, but it's harder to upgrade a laptop processor than a desktop one.
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It's a dual core, wish it was quad lol. I am running Linux mint, 64 bit so that won't limit me thankfully. Good info guys!
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I just read that you can't compile 2.3.x+ without a 64-bit OS, so my comments about the OS are rendered mostly useless. Other comments still hold, though.
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I just read that you can't compile 2.3.x+ without a 64-bit OS, so my comments about the OS are rendered mostly useless. Other comments still hold, though.
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At one point in time I was compiling cm9 on my 32bit system. Took about an two and a half hours though. Dual core with 3gig ram
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ICS I could compile on 32 bit jb I need 64 bit
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I think I'm gonna just grab an 8gb kit from crucial and see what happens
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That's dumb no point get a better processor before that much ram it will not help you at all with compiling without something to use that data
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Illnevertell said:
That's dumb no point get a better processor before that much ram it will not help you at all with compiling without something to use that data
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I can't find a processor that's compatible, plus so far building cm10 hasn't even used 75% of my processor. If you can find a way to replace a laptop processor let me know. I hear it's a pain.
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I can do it on my dell inspiron bro and why get 8 gigs of ram your not doing anything that needs it if your also not pushing the processor
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I can do it on my dell inspiron bro and why get 8 gigs of ram your not doing anything that needs it if your also not pushing the processor
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I'll look into finding a drop in quad core, it will take time to research tho.
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Decepticaons said:
I have googled the hell out of this, and there just isnt much out there. How much Ram is best for building ROM's? I understand that there is no such thing as too much RAM, but how much is really beneficial? I am currently building from source, and doing some cherry picks with a gateway laptop. 2.1 GHZ dual core AMD vision processor, 4GB Ram DDR3 PC-8500. I am thinking about upgrading to 8GB DDR PC10200. I am wondering if this will speed anything up or not. Or is it just unnecessary spending? The memory is only like $45 shipped so its not overly pricey, but the only thing increasing memory will help me with (or will it?) is compiling and buiding, and syncing. My internet is only ATT DSL and my max download is like 5mb. It is typically my hinderence. Please advise!
And no I cannot upgrade my internet, my complex wont let us have cable from anyone but them and they only offer 1.5mb from bloom, and they want $45 per month. I am paying $20 per month for ATT DSL @ 6mb (which i never get obviously). There are no other DSL providers and like I said the complex wont let any other company bring in cable connections.
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I'm currently using an old Vista computer with an AMD Athlon Dual core 4600+, GeForce 210 PCIe, & 2GB of DDR2. Nothing fancy nor overclocked. I have Linux Mint 13 "Maya" - Cinnamon (64-bit) installed and it all works quite nicely. Your biggest downfall is going to be your DSL (I have the same) because it takes a few hours to download the repository files. As far as compiling & debugging goes, it's all good.
The Mint linux is simply a Ubuntu based OS with far less GUI issues on my older comp, I've had both but Mint seems to run smoother:
http://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=106
There's lotsa good info here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1801690
I'm still very new to the actual building myself but I've had a blast learning! My phone is actually running on a system I compiled all by myself! I couldn't have done it without all the help from my new friends here on XDA...
Search the forum for more info, it's ALL there, you simple need to look for it! Hope I helped...
Have fun with it!
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scootertrashtx said:
I'm currently using an old Vista computer with an AMD Athlon Dual core 4600+, GeForce 210 PCIe, & 2GB of DDR2. Nothing fancy nor overclocked. I have Linux Mint 13 "Maya" - Cinnamon (64-bit) installed and it all works quite nicely. Your biggest downfall is going to be your DSL (I have the same) because it takes a few hours to download the repository files. As far as compiling & debugging goes, it's all good.
The Mint linux is simply a Ubuntu based OS with far less GUI issues on my older comp, I've had both but Mint seems to run smoother:
http://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=106
There's lotsa good info here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1801690
I'm still very new to the actual building myself but I've had a blast learning! My phone is actually running on a system I compiled all by myself! I couldn't have done it without all the help from my new friends here on XDA...
Search the forum for more info, it's ALL there, you simple need to look for it! Hope I helped...
Have fun with it!
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I should have mentioned my compile time, It took about 5 1/2 hours on JB... you can throttle the output a bit with a command code that sk8ter listed... let me find it...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766862
3rd code block in #1...
If you're using a laptop, set it on a hard, flat surface or better yet, get a cooler... it'll get a bit warm.
Read this too... good info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=667298
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1812253
I've been thinking about this a lot lately and, until I find a decent answer it's going to drive me nuts. I'm posting this from a Nexus 7. It's fast, responds to me almost instantaneously when I ask it to do something, and runs a variety of programs and services that is beginning to rival the pc.
That being said, my laptop has a core I3 processor, 4 gigs of ram, and a 128 gb ssd. Looking at the specs, the nexus doesn't come close to the laptop. But, for most tasks, the nexus is more responsive.
I know that Windows is a pig, so lately, I've been experimenting with ubuntu. This is better, but still slower than android.
Does anybody know of a way to get as much out of my laptop hardware as android gets from mobile hardware?
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Not really posted in the right place this isnt a computer support forum.
But anyway make sure to not have an pointless programs and tasks running. Consider upgrading your RAM as well.
And use google... You will find plenty of guides on increasing computer performace (some better than others)
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If you ask in the **Desktops and Laptops Thread** you may be able to get some more help there.
''Evil corrupts the mind of the weak but fails to feed off the mind of the strong''
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/02/ubuntu-for-smartphones/
So? what's it going to take?
zoltrix said:
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/02/ubuntu-for-smartphones/
So? what's it going to take?
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the new ubuntu OS looks sexy !!
Two Separate Things
To clarify, those are two separate things. One is an entirely new mobile phone OS, the other is a docked desktop OS that runs alongside Android, sharing the kernel and other resources. The Engadget article for the Ubuntu for Android is here: http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/24/ubuntu-for-android-hands-on/. I'm very excited about the possibility of Ubuntu for Android, but it looks like only OEMs can talk to them about it.
I like the way the OS looks, but I rather have buttons than have swipe gestures. Gestures are what my playbook and RIM excel at.
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they should make an Ubuntu development subforum once this bad boy gets ported
WOW
This is simply marvelous:good:, I love it!
I'd pay to have a working port of that!
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I read they are going to release test builds for the galaxy nexus periodicly... But if its Ubuntu... I'm sure its going to be completely open source and it said its built to use android kernel and drivers so I'm sure one day we will get a port. Not sure if our phone is capable of running the Ubuntu os and the desktop dock thing. It said to use desktop dock you have to have a quadcore
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I read they are going to release test builds for the galaxy nexus periodicly... But if its Ubuntu... I'm sure its going to be completely open source and it said its built to use android kernel and drivers so I'm sure one day we will get a port. Not sure if our phone is capable of running the Ubuntu os and the desktop dock thing. It said to use desktop dock you have to have a quadcore
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Reading further you yes they intend to have it completely open source and they also plan to make it easily portable to devices that run android
I'm definitely going to want to see it
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Ubuntu on an XL with a bluetooth kb and mouse and something like a Toshiba Dynadock would rock. We'd have a vga out, multiple powered usb ports, headphone jack and a wired network connection in addition to 3G/4G and wifi.
Given that the One XL outperforms a lot of the quadcore phones on the market, it should be powerful enough to run this.
I'm running desktop Ubuntu on an old G5 imac (1 * 1.8GHz ppc processor). That is fast enough for my uses. It should scream on the dual 1.5GHz S4's.
I do recall putting together a linux from scratch OS while I was at uni ... Hrmm. I was actually due for a new computer. Maybe I'll turn my phone into my desktop.
Just finished watching the youtube intro for this. So excited. This is what I've been waiting for, for a very long time.
I installed Ubuntu natively on my Xoom a while back, it ran a bit slow but was useable. The main problem was the touchscreen driver. The HOXL is quite a bit faster than the Xoom, so it should work nicely. I'd like to get my hands on that smartphone version of Ubuntu.
codeprimate said:
Ubuntu on an XL with a bluetooth kb and mouse and something like a Toshiba Dynadock would rock. We'd have a vga out, multiple powered usb ports, headphone jack and a wired network connection in addition to 3G/4G and wifi.
Given that the One XL outperforms a lot of the quadcore phones on the market, it should be powerful enough to run this.
I'm running desktop Ubuntu on an old G5 imac (1 * 1.8GHz ppc processor). That is fast enough for my uses. It should scream on the dual 1.5GHz S4's.
I do recall putting together a linux from scratch OS while I was at uni ... Hrmm. I was actually due for a new computer. Maybe I'll turn my phone into my desktop.
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I think you sound a little overly optimistic in my opinion. I don't think it'll run nearly as smooth as you think, but hell, compared to a PPC970 it may actually be faster. Your biggest issue is going to be the lack of memory. 1 GB is going to start looking mighty low when it comes to running desktop apps on it.
In their specs, they name a quad core A9 as required to run the desktop mode, but in my opinion I wouldn't really bother getting too excited until you're running at least an A15. An Exynos 5 Quad with 2 GB of RAM would probably run quite nicely. Anything less and I think you'll be dealing with a somewhat slow system. Look at the Chromebooks with the Exynos 5. People are loading Ubuntu on those and saying they run great. That's where I'd put the baseline for a desktop, but again, memory would be your biggest limitation at that point. I suppose it also depends on what they can strip out of the desktop version of Ubuntu that comes bundled. If it can be very lightweight, it would help greatly in the memory use department.
Speaking of stripping things out, the One X isn't likely going to be an ideal device for this due to it's lack of storage space also. You'd run out of space REALLY fast if you tried to install a few desktop apps.
AJerman said:
I think you sound a little overly optimistic in my opinion. I don't think it'll run nearly as smooth as you think, but hell, compared to a PPC970 it may actually be faster. Your biggest issue is going to be the lack of memory. 1 GB is going to start looking mighty low when it comes to running desktop apps on it.
In their specs, they name a quad core A9 as required to run the desktop mode, but in my opinion I wouldn't really bother getting too excited until you're running at least an A15. An Exynos 5 Quad with 2 GB of RAM would probably run quite nicely. Anything less and I think you'll be dealing with a somewhat slow system. Look at the Chromebooks with the Exynos 5. People are loading Ubuntu on those and saying they run great. That's where I'd put the baseline for a desktop, but again, memory would be your biggest limitation at that point. I suppose it also depends on what they can strip out of the desktop version of Ubuntu that comes bundled. If it can be very lightweight, it would help greatly in the memory use department.
Speaking of stripping things out, the One X isn't likely going to be an ideal device for this due to it's lack of storage space also. You'd run out of space REALLY fast if you tried to install a few desktop apps.
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yeah, I'm optimistic. It won't be a highly spec'd desktop by any means, but I'm not really a gamer (the only games I'd play on it would be chess and freeciv. You are correct - 1 GB of RAM is not a lot, and it'd struggle with any heavyweight desktop app, but I've got the Tesltra HTC one XL (which is 32 GB not 16 like the AT&T version), so it should be slightly more usable (at least while I'm waiting for manufacturers to start releasing linux phones).
For storage I'd mostly be using my home NAS, and the cloud options available.
I get that it will be quite limited, but I'd still like to see what it can do
I'm pretty new here and sorry of this has already been asked to death but anyways, I was looking to get into android app and game development. I was wondering what kind of computer would be best for this task. I already run Linux on my old laptop, so not worried about OS, but as far as specs go, what would be preferred (i.e. how much RAM, processing power, hard drive space, brand, etc?
Windows is best. .7 most preferred
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It depends on your budget, and the complexity of the game you are attempting to make. I'm able to do rudimentary dev work on my old rig. An Intel core i3, 3gigs of ram, and a 256gb ssd.
I'd suggest that you go with a good i5, or a low i7. Alternatively, you could wait for the new Haswell chips, but they are more towards power saving, not performance
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R: [Q] What kind of computer would be best for Android app/game development
You can buy what computer you want at least 1gb RAM and 2ghz CPU.
Don't forget to install linux distribution on there
You can have Windows 7 but it's a good thing to have linux if you are going to develop on android.
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Hello all, Hope you are well.
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So I will be buying the 7" version of this tablet before the end of the week and I have a few questions regarding the development side of things, I have previously owned a large range of Android devices and rooted and used custom roms ect on them all so I am not a noob lol.
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My questions are as follows"
1) What is the highest frequency possible for the CPU?
2) How many cores are available for the GPU? and what is the highest frequency it can be set at?
3) Is 4.2.2 JB available in a CM?
4) The ram is stated at 1gb but I guess it would be around 770mb available, is the ext4 or ext3 ram extender available for this device?
5) How are the 3d or HD games running on this device? performance wise.
6) Is it worth $198 Au?
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How does this tab compare to similar ones on the market?
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Thank you all r3NdRag
r3NdRaG said:
Hello all, Hope you are well.
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So I will be buying the 7" version of this tablet before the end of the week and I have a few questions regarding the development side of things, I have previously owned a large range of Android devices and rooted and used custom roms ect on them all so I am not a noob lol.
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My questions are as follows"
1) What is the highest frequency possible for the CPU?
2) How many cores are available for the GPU? and what is the highest frequency it can be set at?
3) Is 4.2.2 JB available in a CM?
4) The ram is stated at 1gb but I guess it would be around 770mb available, is the ext4 or ext3 ram extender available for this device?
5) How are the 3d or HD games running on this device? performance wise.
6) Is it worth $198 Au?
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How does this tab compare to similar ones on the market?
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Thank you all r3NdRag
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1) 1.4 safely
2) don't recall
3) yes
4) yup depending on rom 77x
5) arguably decent
6) barely
7) read the viable option thread
8) seriously all these questions are easy find use the search
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@r3NdRaG
I'm guessing your from Australia, like myself.
I've gone through alot of tablets.
For the retail price of $200 at jb Hifi, **** Smith, officeworks, big w (all are advertising it at that price)
etc it's a good price.
Online - eBay is obviously going to be cheaper obviously.
The tablet is great I myself this week got the Samsung galaxy tab 2 10.1 16gb WiFi ver only for $300 - any of the stores above.
And bought a 64gb card for $50 on eBay.
I bought cause I need more screen estate and will be docking in the car alot.
Any questions ask.
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Try researching for nexus 7.
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I'm not a real fan of devices that don't have expandable memory
Maybe the op is different.
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Thank you all for such a quick response.
Mrkhigh I know I could have searched but I need 10 posts before I can use development forum.
I think I will buy this tablet it seems like a good deal.
I'm hoping it will be able to handle what I throw at it lol.
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its a light weight tab bro....you can get it for $86 now......i wud have recommended you get another...
r3NdRaG said:
Hello all, Hope you are well.
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So I will be buying the 7" version of this tablet before the end of the week and I have a few questions regarding the development side of things, I have previously owned a large range of Android devices and rooted and used custom roms ect on them all so I am not a noob lol.
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My questions are as follows"
1) What is the highest frequency possible for the CPU?
2) How many cores are available for the GPU? and what is the highest frequency it can be set at?
3) Is 4.2.2 JB available in a CM?
4) The ram is stated at 1gb but I guess it would be around 770mb available, is the ext4 or ext3 ram extender available for this device?
5) How are the 3d or HD games running on this device? performance wise.
6) Is it worth $198 Au?
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How does this tab compare to similar ones on the market?
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Thank you all r3NdRag
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