Hi xda,
I have small hands. I have largish hands for a female, but still too small to reach the upper left corner of my Nexus 4's screen when using it with one hand. Very annoying, since many important controls reside there; I often end up dropping the phone if I try to reach them.
It annoys me greatly that there are no Android devices with high-end specs that have a screen smaller than 4.3" All I want is a phone with Nexus 4 specs, in the body of, say, the Galaxy minis. But all I see is smaller screens with crippled hardware. The HTC One mini comes close, with 2GB of RAM (in my opinion, the needed amount for snappy performance in 4.2), but it's months dow the road with too many ifs, and I tire of waiting. I see many phones outside the US that fit my needs, but I don't see importing as a viable option, since rom support would be questionable.
As much as I dislike Apple's ecosystem, I'm about to switch back, since the iPhone is the only option that meets my needs. I recognize that the iPhone 5 has hardware commensurate to a much weaker phone on the Android side, but iOS, in my experience, is a bit less demanding. I would rather stick with Android, but handset makers do not cater to me
I'm female too, and my hands are relatively small (glove size 6/S). Yet I'm actually intending to buy a bigger phone: the 5.99" Note 3, because I find my SGS3 not big enough.
I don't know what you're doing wrong, but I can easily reach the top left corner of my screen with one hand. No, not if I keep my pinky around the phone, but if I slide it a bit, I can reach past the screen. And it's never in danger of falling out of my hand during the process.
The reason smaller phones have lesser hardware is because they don't require high-end specs: there's no point in having a 1080p screen in 4". And if your resolution is low, your hardware doesn't need to work as hard. So they put in lower-end hardware. What's the point of having and paying for high end hardware if it's never going to be used by the phone itself?
Bigger phones bigger ****
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Lol a girl in my school used to have a galaxy note 2 she had it around a few months and got rid of it... I guess she didn't like it. P.S if you're gonna drop your phone don't do it while you are lay down because it really hurts getting hit in the face with a big chunk of metal/plastic
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ShadowLea said:
The reason smaller phones have lesser hardware is because they don't require high-end specs: there's no point in having a 1080p screen in 4". And if your resolution is low, your hardware doesn't need to work as hard. So they put in lower-end hardware. What's the point of having and paying for high end hardware if it's never going to be used by the phone itself?
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I do not entirely agree. While true, a smaller screen is less demanding, the difference between a browser on 1GB of memory vs. 2GB is huge. My Galaxy Nexus before my Nexus 4 was much slower at rendering pages. I had a TF700t as well, and 1GB of memory did not sustain a comfortable experience and there was considerable lag launching and using applications.
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I do not entirely agree. While true, a smaller screen is less demanding, the difference between a browser on 1GB of memory vs. 2GB is huge. My Galaxy Nexus before my Nexus 4 was much slower at rendering pages.
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My guess is that the amount of RAM has nothing to do with page rendering, it helps with multitasking, the difference in page rendering you see is due to the raw CPU power the Nexus 4 has over the G.Nexus, not the amount of RAM, may i remind you the Nexus 4 has a S4 Pro with 4 cores @ 1.5 GHz while the G.Nexus is a TI OMAP dual core @ 1.2 GHz, not to mention the Krait cores on the S4 Pro have better performance than the A9 cores on the TI OMAP.
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My guess is that the amount of RAM has nothing to do with page rendering, it helps with multitasking, the difference in page rendering you see is due to the raw CPU power the Nexus 4 has over the G.Nexus, not the amount of RAM, may i remind you the Nexus 4 has a S4 Pro with 4 cores @ 1.5 GHz while the G.Nexus is a TI OMAP dual core @ 1.2 GHz, not to mention the Krait cores on the S4 Pro have better performance than the A9 cores on the TI OMAP.
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Ah, yeah, I realized my bad choice of words after posting, but couldn't edit for five minutes so went to do other things.
I completely get that the Nexus 4 has a better CPU. Bad example on my part.
Perhaps better though, is when I got my TF700t. That and the Nexus 4 have *somewhat* comparable CPUs, at least in terms of Ghz/Cores, correct me if I'm wrong. However, the Transformer was painful to use due to having half the RAM. Opening Chrome became a frustrating waiting game. The Galaxy Note 8 that I had for a short time, however, was much snappier. There was much less waiting for pages to become responsive.
What are the important things which reside in the upper left corner?? hmm.. never gave it a thought- pls tell!!
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Ah, yeah, I realized my bad choice of words after posting, but couldn't edit for five minutes so went to do other things.
I completely get that the Nexus 4 has a better CPU. Bad example on my part.
Perhaps better though, is when I got my TF700t. That and the Nexus 4 have *somewhat* comparable CPUs, at least in terms of Ghz/Cores, correct me if I'm wrong. However, the Transformer was painful to use due to having half the RAM. Opening Chrome became a frustrating waiting game. The Galaxy Note 8 that I had for a short time, however, was much snappier. There was much less waiting for pages to become responsive.
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Have you bothered to read even one page in the TF700 forum? Because we've made it abundantly clear that the amount of RAM is not the issue: The I/O issue is what's responsible for the lag. Flash a different ROM (Cromi-x) and the Tab is the fastest on the market.
Also, and I am getting quite tired of saying this time and time again: The Nexus 4 is 1280x768, the TF700 is 1920x1200. That's almost twice as many pixels it has to push, on a screen almost three times as big. Do the math. The N4 is pretty much a Vehron in an urban 30kph zone. Way too much power it's never going to need.
And also a small point regarding the comparison between the tf700t and the nexus 4. The nexus 4 has the s4 pro, which far and away destroys the tegra 3 because of the superior architecture. Just because both are quad core does not mean you can expect similar performance.
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The new release of IPAD3 will hit Verizon and ATT on March 16, equipped with 4G+Wifi and non 4G. It's the fact that apple A5X chip (quad core) is 4 time faster that droid tegra 3, higher resolution (2048 x 1536 ipad vs Asus transformer 700series 1920 x 1200, which suppose to release around June, 2012). Together with the high end hardware, apple also boost their software with amazing video editor, autodesk (hand draw graphic design), camera editing software and namco games designed just for Ipad...I'm a droid fan but I just have to admit, Apple is one of warrior that we may NOT able to beat...I'm thinking of pick one up, the one without 4G (extra $30 a month) and use my charge for 4g tethering every time I'm on the road.
You fell for Apple's use of fancy words. The A5X chip is a dual core cpu with a quad core gpu. Yes, you get no more CPU performance, just more graphics performance, which almost nothing takes advantage of fully now with the A5. Besides the updated screen and new software, there is really nothing spectacular about the new iPad. Just like the iPhone 4S update, it's a few minor spec bumps that Apple marketing (they are a marketing company that just happens to also sell stuff) made sound like the latest and greatest technology. Wait until other manufacturers get a chance to actually start using the new and upcoming quad-core SoCs
It's also not a Droid Tegra 3 or Droid pad. It is a Tegra 3 processor, which can be used by anyone on any platform, and Android Tablets. The Tegra 3 is actually a quad core cpu with 12 core gpu (technically 5 core cpu), and who knows how it will benchmark against Apple's chip, since Apple didn't release any firm details about how the new A5X benchmarked higher than the Tegra 3, or how much higher, or if it was a production Tegra 3 chip.
Personally, I would wait to see what Samsung comes up with this summer/fall to counter it, and even if they don't have anything, I would still take a GalaxyTab 7.7 over an iPad any day of the week.
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You fell for Apple's use of fancy words. The A5X chip is a dual core cpu with a quad core gpu. Yes, you get no more CPU performance, just more graphics performance, which almost nothing takes advantage of fully now with the A5. Besides the updated screen and new software, there is really nothing spectacular about the new iPad. Just like the iPhone 4S update, it's a few minor spec bumps that Apple marketing (they are a marketing company that just happens to also sell stuff) made sound like the latest and greatest technology. Wait until other manufacturers get a chance to actually start using the new and upcoming quad-core SoCs
It's also not a Droid Tegra 3 or Droid pad. It is a Tegra 3 processor, which can be used by anyone on any platform, and Android Tablets. The Tegra 3 is actually a quad core cpu with 12 core gpu (technically 5 core cpu), and who knows how it will benchmark against Apple's chip, since Apple didn't release any firm details about how the new A5X benchmarked higher than the Tegra 3, or how much higher, or if it was a production Tegra 3 chip.
Personally, I would wait to see what Samsung comes up with this summer/fall to counter it, and even if they don't have anything, I would still take a GalaxyTab 7.7 over an iPad any day of the week.
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Yea ***** what he said!....no offense buhohitr
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Yea ***** what he said!....no offense buhohitr
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Non taken, I'm here for a nice hobby and for fun....that's all.
Question: are you a Droid fan or Android fan?
Anyway,not much more to say than what Imnuts said. The thing is, the iPad 2's A5 chip proved to beat Tegra 3 in a series of benchmarks, though T3 was running on Honeycomb(and they were offscreen benchmarks). I wonder if the results would have been different if T3 was running on ICS.
What I'm very curious to see is Samsung's offering(higher resolution screen and quad core Exynos). Maybe even with bone stock ICS. That would be my dream tablet
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I have friends who are diehard apple fanboys and even they say they're not getting it because its "pretty much the same as the 2"... a lot of people are starting to catch on to what Imnuts said about marketing gimmicks and releasing old tech as "revolutionary"
that said I also agree that I'll be waiting for the next quad core beast from Asus ($200 Google Nexus tablet anyone?) or maybe Samsung but I don't want their ugly ass bloated touchwiz over ICS
p.s. the only good thing I could see being brought about by this 3rd iPad would be hopefully display manufacturers will see that its possible to make higher-than-1080p displays for a reasonable price... also LOL at them for including what is basically a laptop capacity battery in it, and I doubt it would really get 10 hours on 4G
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It still isn't worth getting one if the OS is just a magnified iPhone OS (like it can't do anything new compared to the iPhone 4s)
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You fell for Apple's use of fancy words. The A5X chip is a dual core cpu with a quad core gpu. Yes, you get no more CPU performance, just more graphics performance, which almost nothing takes advantage of fully now with the A5. Besides the updated screen and new software, there is really nothing spectacular about the new iPad. Just like the iPhone 4S update, it's a few minor spec bumps that Apple marketing (they are a marketing company that just happens to also sell stuff) made sound like the latest and greatest technology. Wait until other manufacturers get a chance to actually start using the new and upcoming quad-core SoCs
It's also not a Droid Tegra 3 or Droid pad. It is a Tegra 3 processor, which can be used by anyone on any platform, and Android Tablets. The Tegra 3 is actually a quad core cpu with 12 core gpu (technically 5 core cpu), and who knows how it will benchmark against Apple's chip, since Apple didn't release any firm details about how the new A5X benchmarked higher than the Tegra 3, or how much higher, or if it was a production Tegra 3 chip.
Personally, I would wait to see what Samsung comes up with this summer/fall to counter it, and even if they don't have anything, I would still take a GalaxyTab 7.7 over an iPad any day of the week.
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Uh... no. iOS is GPU accelerated. Its interface and UI relies heavily on the GPU, much more so than Android. The stronger the GPU, for example, the less checkerboarding you experience when scrolling webpages. Of course this is more than negated by 4x the pixels, so day to day performance may not be as good as on the iPad 2.
In Anand's testing they found the iPad 2's GPU to be about 30% faster on average than the Tegra 3. Apple's 2x claim is probably based on a specific test that targets one of Tegra's numerous weaknesses. That said, the iPad 3 uses the same GPU as the PS VITA (albeit without the dedicated VRAM and to-the-metal programming). It's a beast. The same goes for that hi-res screen, which won't be surpassed by a shipping product for a year at least.
Apple claimed that in order to support such a super high resolution display, the A5X graphic chip is the key. But..what ever, Nvidia is going to bench mark the A5X and their Tegra 3...the true will reveal. I may add if indeed Tegra3 is faster, I'm a very happy guy, cause I have my eyes on the coming Asus Transformer 700 due to release sometime in June 2012. Beside the hardware, Apple also released 5 killer apps; video editor(amazing photo editor and movie maker), autodesk(free hand graphic design), 2 new games from Namco and Epic, icloud garage band where 4 people (drumer,guitar,keyboard,bass) can play the same song over the internet.
http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/123pibhargjknawdconwecown/event/index.html
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Apple claimed that in order to support such a super high resolution display, the A5X graphic chip is the key. But..what ever, Nvidia is going to bench mark the A5X and their Tegra 3...the true will reveal. I may add if indeed Tegra3 is faster, I'm a very happy guy, cause I have my eyes on the coming Asus Transformer 700 due to release sometime in June 2012. Beside the hardware, Apple also released 5 killer apps; video editor(amazing photo editor and movie maker), autodesk(free hand graphic design), 2 new games from Namco and Epic, icloud garage band where 4 people (drumer,guitar,keyboard,bass) can play the same song over the internet.
http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/123pibhargjknawdconwecown/event/index.html
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iCloud seems very similar to Google's cloud services.
As for Autodesk, doesn't that company have an app(or apps) for android as well? Both OS systems have Photoshop Touch, which seems like a great photo editing tools in its own right.
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DirgeExtinction said:
iCloud seems very similar to Google's cloud services.
As for Autodesk, doesn't that company have an app(or apps) for android as well? Both OS systems have Photoshop Touch, which seems like a great photo editing tools in its own right.
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Obviously, you haven't read the link for apple event. We're not talking about photoshop and Autodesk for ipad3 is not same as android. Sure google has gcloud, but here we're talking about using the cloud to play music as a band using Ipad3 as music instrument. Click on the link and find out more....
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Uh... no. iOS is GPU accelerated. Its interface and UI relies heavily on the GPU, much more so than Android. The stronger the GPU, for example, the less checkerboarding you experience when scrolling webpages. Of course this is more than negated by 4x the pixels, so day to day performance may not be as good as on the iPad 2.
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The UI is no more or less accelerated now with ICS for Android from what I've read. The only stuff left in Android that isn't GPU driven isn't going to tax the CPU to render it. The only reason that the added GPU power will be needed is the high resolution, which is pointless IMO. Why get a higher resolution other than to brag about it? You think Samsung/LG/etc. couldn't make a higher resolution display if they wanted to? They're sticking to 1080p/720p because it's a standard resolution and you won't be powering unnecessary pixels if you don't have to, which you will be doing on that display when watching HD videos. Either way, I give it 3-4 months before someone displays a better product, if not sooner. No one has any idea how the OMAP5 really performs, or the quad-core Exynos chips, and if anyone will best the A5X, those are probably the best candidates.
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Obviously, you haven't read the link for apple event. We're not talking about photoshop and Autodesk for ipad3 is not same as android. Sure google has gcloud, but here we're talking about using the cloud to play music as a band using Ipad3 as music instrument. Click on the link and find out more....
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Playing music as a band using the iPad 3 using "the cloud"(which pretty much means using the iPad's LTE modem) sounds like what multiplayer games on iOS and Android do.
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Ugh iPad is only quicker cause it's less complex OS
Android will always be light years ahead of apple in technological advances it has usb plug ins since atrix and honeycomb
Apple is far more interested in marketing than creating the best device as long as they can keep u buying everything thru their e-stores they will be happy
I have an iPad 2 and tegra devices will ALWAYS have more features and a faster platform nuff said
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I would still take a GalaxyTab 7.7 over an iPad any day of the week.
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The display on the Galaxy Tab 7.7 is gorgeous. Also, I have some Apple fanboy coworkers who admit that having a 7" iPad would be awesome, and that typing/holding an iPad can be cumbersome.
Oh iPad, you are so revolutionary.
Side rant: I love how Apple upgraded the cameras on the iPad3 and acted like it's a big deal. Cameras... on a tablet.. Who in the **** uses their tablet's cameras that often to warrant a hardware upgrade? The cameras were fine! How about updating the damn OS.
Don't get me started on Siri. Aimbot, anyone?
OK, for better comparison, let just comparing ONLY 4G device; Ipad3 clearly the winner here over any android tablet currently on the Market. Let's not even talk about the future, because it's endless and mute discussion.
People are so offensive when ever we talk about the "competitor". Like 'Ipad3 has the highest screen resolution", Oh that's not needed, it's not make that much of different. Come on admitted, they do have higher resolution than any other device out there. Sometime, we should hold back our egos and watch and listen, we may learn something new. I'm an Android fan, but sometime the competitor is better and I will admit they're better and sometime when Android is better, we should be proud. Only kids bashing other kids.
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OK, for better comparison, let just comparing ONLY 4G device; Ipad3 clearly the winner here over any android tablet currently on the Market. Let's not even talk about the future, because it's endless and mute discussion.
People are so offensive when ever we talk about the "competitor". Like 'Ipad3 has the highest screen resolution", Oh that's not needed, it's not make that much of different. Come on admitted, they do have higher resolution than any other device out there. Sometime, we should hold back our egos and watch and listen, we may learn something new. I'm an Android fan, but sometime the competitor is better and I will admit they're better and sometime when Android is better, we should be proud. Only kids bashing other kids.
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I agree. Having competition is good for Google. I have recently changed my view of IOS devices, and I'd have no problem getting an IP3 ..(if it were free and Jail broken.)
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Side rant: I love how Apple upgraded the cameras on the iPad3 and acted like it's a big deal. Cameras... on a tablet.. Who in the **** uses their tablet's cameras that often to warrant a hardware upgrade? The cameras were fine! How about updating the damn OS.
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The FFC is still the same VGA camera that was on the iPad2, they only upgraded the rear camera.
buhohitr said:
OK, for better comparison, let just comparing ONLY 4G device; Ipad3 clearly the winner here over any android tablet currently on the Market. Let's not even talk about the future, because it's endless and mute discussion.
People are so offensive when ever we talk about the "competitor". Like 'Ipad3 has the highest screen resolution", Oh that's not needed, it's not make that much of different. Come on admitted, they do have higher resolution than any other device out there. Sometime, we should hold back our egos and watch and listen, we may learn something new. I'm an Android fan, but sometime the competitor is better and I will admit they're better and sometime when Android is better, we should be proud. Only kids bashing other kids.
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I would still take the GalaxyTab 7.7. And yes, it has a higher screen resolution, but how is it useful? The only good thing about that high resolution is that you could see pictures without zooming in as much. The more screen real estate you're getting, it's going to take developers a while to take advantage of it because it is such a huge increase. It's pointless for movies and videos, when is the last time you saw a movie with a resolution greater than 1080p? For video viewing, you have wasted screen space. I'm sure the display looks great, but until we actually have videos that are >1080i/p, I don't see a reason to have a higher resolution display.
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The FFC is still the same VGA camera that was on the iPad2, they only upgraded the rear camera.
I would still take the GalaxyTab 7.7. And yes, it has a higher screen resolution, but how is it useful? The only good thing about that high resolution is that you could see pictures without zooming in as much. The more screen real estate you're getting, it's going to take developers a while to take advantage of it because it is such a huge increase. It's pointless for movies and videos, when is the last time you saw a movie with a resolution greater than 1080p? For video viewing, you have wasted screen space. I'm sure the display looks great, but until we actually have videos that are >1080i/p, I don't see a reason to have a higher resolution display.
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Higher resolution is great for gaming!
Ipad 3 is amazing but dont android OS my favorite tablet samsung asus vs.!
2048 x 1536 pixels
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That is the MAX VGA resolution is it not? Am I the only one who is seeing this or is this just a quirky thing....
I really don't believe that the thing has that insane high resolution...something just irks me about the thing.
How the "hell" does that mobile gpu handle the resolution without lagging up a ****storm.......I want to know.....I don't however want that its powered by fairy dust
I mean the device only has 1gb of ram........where does it get its video memory? that res would eat up memory like craxy
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Its hella strange.
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I held both the iPad 2 and 3 in my hands today. When browsing the Internet the difference is minimal (more stuff on page) but it does help when reading text book/email as you get to see more at better clarity.
Overall not such a big deal and Android tablets will get this res soon enough.
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2048 x 1536 pixels
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That is the MAX VGA resolution is it not? Am I the only one who is seeing this or is this just a quirky thing....
I really don't believe that the thing has that insane high resolution...something just irks me about the thing.
How the "hell" does that mobile gpu handle the resolution without lagging up a ****storm.......I want to know.....I don't however want that its powered by fairy dust
I mean the device only has 1gb of ram........where does it get its video memory? that res would eat up memory like craxy
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It's just good software engineering, something Apple is darned good at. The 1Gb of ram is enough for a device that does not multitask in the same way android does.
I don't think other manufacturers can produce such very high resolution in small inch like ipad3 within this 2 years.
Apple is insane, pitty that it is not android.
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Nothing strange at all. Already iPad 2 has a huge GPU, but iPad 3 has an even larger GPU, iPad 3 uses an PowerVR SGX543MP4 and the complete SOC measures 162 mm2, that is twice as large and basically twice as expensive as an Tegra 3!
That GPU is basically 4 times as powerful as PowerVR SGX540 GPU, i e the GPU in Galaxy Nexus. But iPad has lower clock than Galaxy Nexus though.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5685/apple-a5x-die-size-measured-16294mm2-likely-still-45nm
Apple can afford such big SOC because iPad are expensive and also because of all the money the get from app-sales.
But that SOC is probably not working in an iPhone, they need a new more power efficient SOC made on 28/32 nm for iPhone 5.
It's all in the design. The way the A5/A5X SOCs are designed, they really do a better job of pushing the limits on what is possible with the specs. The A5/X is just that good of a design that they can run 512mb/1gb ram and be lag free. And also the way in which Apple handles multitasking.
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It's all in the design. The way the A5/A5X SOCs are designed, they really do a better job of pushing the limits on what is possible with the specs. The A5/X is just that good of a design that they can run 512mb/1gb ram and be lag free. And also the way in which Apple handles multitasking.
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No, the GPU in A5/A5x is not more efficient or better designed than GPU's in Android phones, it is just more powerful because it has many more calculation units/transistors (more expensive).
In fact many Android phones uses the same architecture in their GPU's but with 1/4th of the calculation units in A5x.
Hope this pushes all other companies to increase screen resolutions.
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2048 x 1536 x 3 bytes = 9.5 MB. And in most cases an image that big will be compressed in DRAM. 1GB is plenty.
However, refreshing the screen with that much data 30 or more times/second could consume a lot of the DRAM bandwidth. Those 4 CPU cores may slow down when displaying a full-size image. (Not that it'd matter - quad core on a tablet is mostly a marketing gimmick. They're not doing anything a single slower core couldn't handle just as well.)
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I don't think other manufacturers can produce such very high resolution in small inch like ipad3 within this 2 years.
Apple is insane, pitty that it is not android.
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I thought there is a 2560x1600res 11.6" tablet coming in the form of 10.1" this year from samsung with a15 based exynos5
Higher resolutions are nice, but they should be useful. 2560*1600 sounds nice, but if everything will be unreadably small, there's no use in having such a resolution.
However, I do think it's strange Apple sticks to 4:3 resolutions even though their devices are shaped differently...
From what I see it seems that they'll switch to snapdragon s4, 1.7Ghz most likely which uses a15 compared to the Penta core tegra 3 which uses a9.. now don't come with the trash....
Oh oh s4 is better... no its not., you want proof ? I get 12000 CPU score on quadrant while s4 got 8000 that's 50% faster sorry.. as of battery life... companion core...........
BUT, there is always a but, the s4 is good enough to handle pretty much anything and the adreno 225 is better than geforce ulp which helps with those pixels .. also the tegra 3 seems to lag somehow.. in browsing.. when the page is loading if you scroll or pinch to zoom it lags on the prime as well as on the one x..in the rest it's the fastest..
In terms of raw power the tegra 3 is still the king. But it that what we need ?
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Ditto
why start a new thread when we have a thread about this tab already?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1523811
Soooooo many things wrong with your line of thinking.
First, quadrant measures IO of memory as well as processor speed and many other things. If you have, say class 10 memory on your device and a craptastic processor it could rate higher on quadrant than a device with class 4 memory and a extremely fast processor. Hell some roms even tweak to read extremely fast to rank very high on quadrant at the expense of everything else.
Quadrant tests mean nothing because they can be easially mutilated. If i want high quadrant its easy, if i want a fast device that does what i want, its not so easy.
next, the browser itself is what lags, not the tegra3 chip. Take the stock browser and put it in ANY other device, it will lag just as much. Its a **** browser, get one that works and then talk.
If you drive a ferrarri and say "wow this car is amazing but the windshield gets very dirty and the wipers dont clean it that well" does it mean the car is ****? No! it means you need new wipers. The same way if your browser or launcher or whatever is laggy dont complain, try a different browser and it will work better.
I swear, can we have a "UnThanks" button for some of these people? im tired of seeing these threads...
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Soooooo many things wrong with your line of thinking.
First, quadrant measures IO of memory as well as processor speed and many other things. If you have, say class 10 memory on your device and a craptastic processor it could rate higher on quadrant than a device with class 4 memory and a extremely fast processor. Hell some roms even tweak to read extremely fast to rank very high on quadrant at the expense of everything else.
Quadrant tests mean nothing because they can be easially mutilated. If i want high quadrant its easy, if i want a fast device that does what i want, its not so easy.
next, the browser itself is what lags, not the tegra3 chip. Take the stock browser and put it in ANY other device, it will lag just as much. Its a **** browser, get one that works and then talk.
If you drive a ferrarri and say "wow this car is amazing but the windshield gets very dirty and the wipers dont clean it that well" does it mean the car is ****? No! it means you need new wipers. The same way if your browser or launcher or whatever is laggy dont complain, try a different browser and it will work better.
I swear, can we have a "UnThanks" button for some of these people? im tired of seeing these threads...
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not really...... you know the browser doesn't lag as much on my nexus....
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http://www.stuff.tv/news/phone/news-nugget/exclusive-htc-one-x-vs-htc-one-xl-%E2%80%93-tegra-3-vs-snapdragon-s4
Here read below the antutu benchmark
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Tegra 3 GPU is probably too weak to support the 1920 x 1080 display. Anandtech points this out in their iPad 3 review.
What about the S4 Pro? Is the only difference between the Pro and Non Pro the GPU?
Tegra 3 > Snapdragon S4?
Tegra 3 < Snapdragon S4?
DOES NOT MATTER
Personally I think the Tegra 3 is a better option, but that doesn't matter. They are only switching to the Snapdragon on the LTE versions and are switching to the Snapdragon because the Tegra 3 SoC doesn't support LTE. If you want LTE, you can't get Tegra 3.
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not really...... you know the browser doesn't lag as much on my nexus....
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The browser doesn't lag at all on my Prime. Not since I did a factory reset anyway.
There are a lot of things that can impact the performance or a particular app including the processor. However just because an app lags on one device and not on the other, that isn't proof that one processor is better than another. In fact that kind of comparison is practically worthless for judging the relative abilities of two different chipsets.
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Tegra 3 GPU is probably too weak to support the 1920 x 1080 display. Anandtech points this out in their iPad 3 review.
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If that were really true, it is unlikely that Asus would be using the Tegra 3 on the WiFi TF Infinity tablets.
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Tegra 3 GPU is probably too weak to support the 1920 x 1080 display. Anandtech points this out in their iPad 3 review.
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Here's the thing, anadtech, like pretty much most other tech media sites, have been taken over by apple fanboys who would say/do anything to put apple in a better light than others. Some times they would lie right through their teeth just to put apple in a better light. Some times it's more subtle.
The 32gb TFP model sells at $499. Everyone knows this. Last month, there was a review comparison of the prime versus the new ipad. The author dared to say the prime starts at like $600 and he proved it by linking to to an awefully overpriced website. When myself and several others spammed the hell out of their inbox demanding they change it, they changed it and said it was a "typo". I just find it amazing that all these mistakes and typos are always made to make apple look better.
Anyway, nowadays I don't trust anything the tech media says about the performances of apple devices versus others. They don't even try to hide their apple bias anymore.
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And I recently tried to use the ipad again. Smooth device. However, it still feels like an oversized ipod touch because everything is oversized. I'm not 80 years old. I don't need the icons to be that big.
Most reviews on YouTube do the same,all these so called tech website are been bought buy Apple...
Very sad......
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Thicker? Heavier? Shorter battery life? Pass.
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Here's the thing, anadtech, like pretty much most other tech media sites, have been taken over by apple fanboys who would say/do anything to put apple in a better light than others. Some times they would lie right through their teeth just to put apple in a better light. Some times it's more subtle.
The 32gb TFP model sells at $499. Everyone knows this. Last month, there was a review comparison of the prime versus the new ipad. The author dared to say the prime starts at like $600 and he proved it by linking to to an awefully overpriced website. When myself and several others spammed the hell out of their inbox demanding they change it, they changed it and said it was a "typo". I just find it amazing that all these mistakes and typos are always made to make apple look better.
Anyway, nowadays I don't trust anything the tech media says about the performances of apple devices versus others. They don't even try to hide their apple bias anymore.
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And I recently tried to use the ipad again. Smooth device. However, it still feels like an oversized ipod touch because everything is oversized. I'm not 80 years old. I don't need the icons to be that big.
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Anandtech liked the Prime so much they did a pre review and a redo (due to radio issues with first unit), plus collaborated with Asus on the wifi radio issues. The Tegra 3 gpu is too weak to support 1920 x 1080. Takes a lot of power and the reason the gpu is a big part of the A5X in the iPad 3. Not fanboy a issue, but a LOT of pixels to push issue. There will need to be a new gpu if the Tegra 3 is used- if users expect smooth performance.
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Anandtech liked the Prime so much they did a pre review and a redo (due to radio issues with first unit), plus collaborated with Asus on the wifi radio issues. The Tegra 3 gpu is too weak to support 1920 x 1080. Takes a lot of power and the reason the gpu is a big part of the A5X in the iPad 3. Not fanboy a issue, but a LOT of pixels to push issue. There will need to be a new gpu if the Tegra 3 is used- if users expect smooth performance.
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Ok, I'll take that I guess.
I'm just weary about tech websites nowadays. Last year, I stumbled upon an article comparing the ipad 2 to an android tablet. From start to finish, the author never even mentioned what the android tablet was. When I zoomed into the picture, I could have sworn it was one of those cheap chinese tablets that ran on android 2.2 or 1.6. This was about the time when praising the ipad got you a lot of readers because the ipad 2 had just come out.
Almost every tech review of the TF101 said typing using the docking station was annoying because the mouse pointer was jumping around too much. Get it? Not a single one of these so-called tech reviewers and experts knew the 4th button from the left top row disables the trackpad.
What I've found most interesting is the fact that for almost a year most tech reviewers just ignored the TF101 completely. There were plenty of "top 10 tablets" or "ipad killer tablets" articles. 99% of them left out the TF101 completely even though the transformer was even more popular than the xoom.
Let's go back even further. I remember when asus chairman launched the asus transformer along with several other new products. I was watching live blogs made by various "journalists". What I noticed was they were all criticizing the transformer even before they got their hands on it. I specifically remember one "journalist" writing he thought no one would be interested in a laptop-tablet hybrid.
The tech media needs to start doing some heavy self-censuring if they want me to start trusting them again. As far as I'm concern, they're a bunch of liars who would say anything to put apple above everything else.
Agreed with the fanboy bias, since there are a few major sites that prefer Apples in their diet.
comon guys lets face it: tegra 3 will get pwnd by the nextgen a15 cpu's. thats how it works , simple.
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nice mate ，cool
So here I am getting ready to order the note from best buy...then the new Sony tablet is announced. Will be $400 for 16gb, with sd card expansion.
Will run on tegra3 with a 6000mAh battery. It'll have a 9.4 inch screen, not sure how much smaller is that compared to 10.1 screen.
It does look very beautiful, even without the s pen....what do you guys think?
Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCooO09Vhwo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Well it doesn't have a pen.
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what do you guys think?
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I think the Teg2 Tablet S it is replacing was embarassing from a company like Sony and that this evolution of it is a better effort. I accepted the 720P display on the Note in order to get the additional features. What additional features are you getting on the Sony tablet that makes putting up with a 720P display at premium prices acceptable?
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Well it doesn't have a pen.
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No Pen, no go for me too. The pen is way too useful, no matter what the new tablets look like.
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No Pen, no go for me too. The pen is way too useful, no matter what the new tablets look like.
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Yes if you don't need a pen just get an iPad3. Without the pen the Note is just a fast tablet with an average screen. The pen is the thing.
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Get the GN 10.1. Even though I like Sony the S tablet is just a more expensive and slightly larger Nexus 7. Don't waste your time with the dumbPad3.
You should probably decide if you want any type of alternate input method. If you don't, the Note is not really a factor unless Sony build quality is as poor as Asus. Personally, after reading the TF300/TF700 problems threads, I'd give Sony a chance before buying an Asus. You could also look the Lenovo S2110 (Qualcom S4 Krait). It's very price compatible with the other tabs ($400 for 16GB, 1280x800 IPS Display).
If you are at all attracted using a pen, get the Note.
Well never mind, here is a demo of web browsing on Sony's tablet....yikes
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/29/sony-xperia-tablet-s-hands-on/
It has Tegra 3 SoC. That is a code for.. "avoid at all cost"...
Nexus 7 is the only "successful" Tegra 3 device.... but even that device has QC issue (granted, made by Asus). But in general, Tegra 3 devices in general have issues....
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It has Tegra 3 SoC. That is a code for.. "avoid at all cost"...
Nexus 7 is the only "successful" Tegra 3 device.... but even that device has QC issue (granted, made by Asus). But in general, Tegra 3 devices in general have issues....
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Too bad Demandarin isn't here; he'd get a kick out of me defending Teg3. I have a Teg3 One X. After its last update a week ago, it outperforms the Exynos SGS3 in Quadrant and AnTuTu (although Mali kicks GeForce’s butt in pure GPU tests, especially off-screen). With the performance boost the update improved battery life at the same time. There was initially some flickering issues from dynamic power management but they were cleaned up after the first update. Moral of the story: it's not the "chip" but what the manufacturers do with it that matters most.
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Too bad Demandarin isn't here; he'd get a kick out of me defending Teg3. I have a Teg3 One X. After its last update a week ago, it outperforms the Exynos SGS3 in Quadrant and AnTuTu (although Mali kicks GeForce’s butt in pure GPU tests, especially off-screen). With the performance boost the update improved battery life at the same time. There was initially some flickering issues from dynamic power management but they were cleaned up after the first update. Moral of the story: it's not the "chip" but what the manufacturers do with it that matters most.
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That flickering issue that you speak of... well, pretty much all Tegra 3 devices have it at some stage (also in various f/m updates... some go away, some return). That includes Nexus 7....
As for benchmarks ... too bad it doesn't translate into real world performance. Browsing in any Tegra 3 devices that I have tried (Prime, Acer A500 & 700, Toshiba tablet) has been absolute nightmare. My HP Touchpad easily outperforms all 3 of those Tegra 3 tablets....
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It has Tegra 3 SoC. That is a code for.. "avoid at all cost"...
Nexus 7 is the only "successful" Tegra 3 device.... but even that device has QC issue (granted, made by Asus). But in general, Tegra 3 devices in general have issues....
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Can't say if it's software or hardware but my Nexus 7 hangs in Dead Trigger everyone so often prompting to wait, report or close with the only real option to close and reopen it. Also, I notice the Tegra3 runs rather warm but probably because of the 40nm process. GN 10.1, on the other hand, has never hung in Dead Trigger and the Exynos runs rather cool.
Agreed...It is simple...Tegra 3 vs. Exynos ... no competition...
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It has Tegra 3 SoC. That is a code for.. "avoid at all cost"...
Nexus 7 is the only "successful" Tegra 3 device.... but even that device has QC issue (granted, made by Asus). But in general, Tegra 3 devices in general have issues....
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Hmm..
It is technically $100 cheaper, but several features lacking
1. Tegra 3 chip, which is NOT as good as the one in the infinity. Exynos chip on the Galaxy Note 10.1 is equivalent for infinity's tegra 3 chip on CPU side and for GPU side Exynos is better; hence, easily concluded CPU/GPU is inferior.
2. Memory. Standard 1GB memory, not 2GB as in Galaxy Note.
3. Standard 160 DPI screen & Smaller Screen....
4. No S-pen.
Personally I didn't care about S-pen in fact, I haven't used it since the day #1 I got the system... But still Samsung seemed to have some reason for its premium price despite lack of HD Screen i.e. better GPU, memory, and S-pen. $100 cheaper, but Xperia is inferior to infinity and galaxy note in every aspect. I just cannot believe why Sony even thought this would sell at all... They should have at least included HD display especially with smaller screen...
Sorry. Not for me. I'm very happy.
Let's not forget that it's a Sony. All of the good things you've been hearing about Sony's handset division in terms of developer friendliness do NOT apply to their tablets!
I see no reason for this. I have yet to find an Android tablet that has equivalent or better specs than say a Galaxy Note 3, Galaxy S 4, LG G2, etc.
It seems all these tablets have just 1GB of RAM on average (some have 2) and a dual-core CPU at most and are usually less than 2 GHz.
What REALLY bothers me is that tablets don't have 1080p displays. I fail to see the logic in this. Even the brand new Galaxy Note 8 or Tab 3 have 1280x800 displays. It is more expensive to shove 1920x1080 into a 5-inch or smaller screen than a freaking 7" to 12" screen. Also, would it not make more sense to add MORE pixels to a bigger screen to have a sharper image? These smaller phones that have 1080p displays are overkill because there is nearly no visible difference. I went from an S 3 with a 720p display to an S 4 with a 1080p and I see no difference. It seems these companies are doing everything bass-ackwards.
And how is it that they can't put a quad-core Snapdragon 800 into a tablet? Derp???
It's cheaper to make things bigger when it comes to silicon dies and chipsets.
Can anyone help explain this? Thanks. Ha.
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I think it's better to look at this in terms of business.
There is more demand for smartphones than there is for tablets because everyone needs a smartphone but not everyone wants a tablet because phones such as Galaxy Note have replaced tablets and combined the experience of having a large display and multitasking. So I think that manufacturers look to doing more research and development on smartphones due to demand.
However, this doesn't go to say that tablets can't have better hardware. Tablets can be as fast as phones and not only in terms of RAM memory, if you rationally look at the products you'll find that there also needs to be upgraded CPU, GPU and screens which obviously require more power. Conclusively all I can really think of is that businesses look to maximise profits with least costs and it's cheaper to produce smartphones than it is to produce tablets and there is also more demand in the smartphone market than there is in the tablet market.
Hope that answers your question.
The business perspective with supply and demand makes sense. Best answer I've found so far. Thanks.
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