So here I am getting ready to order the note from best buy...then the new Sony tablet is announced. Will be $400 for 16gb, with sd card expansion.
Will run on tegra3 with a 6000mAh battery. It'll have a 9.4 inch screen, not sure how much smaller is that compared to 10.1 screen.
It does look very beautiful, even without the s pen....what do you guys think?
Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCooO09Vhwo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Well it doesn't have a pen.
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what do you guys think?
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I think the Teg2 Tablet S it is replacing was embarassing from a company like Sony and that this evolution of it is a better effort. I accepted the 720P display on the Note in order to get the additional features. What additional features are you getting on the Sony tablet that makes putting up with a 720P display at premium prices acceptable?
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Well it doesn't have a pen.
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No Pen, no go for me too. The pen is way too useful, no matter what the new tablets look like.
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No Pen, no go for me too. The pen is way too useful, no matter what the new tablets look like.
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Yes if you don't need a pen just get an iPad3. Without the pen the Note is just a fast tablet with an average screen. The pen is the thing.
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Get the GN 10.1. Even though I like Sony the S tablet is just a more expensive and slightly larger Nexus 7. Don't waste your time with the dumbPad3.
You should probably decide if you want any type of alternate input method. If you don't, the Note is not really a factor unless Sony build quality is as poor as Asus. Personally, after reading the TF300/TF700 problems threads, I'd give Sony a chance before buying an Asus. You could also look the Lenovo S2110 (Qualcom S4 Krait). It's very price compatible with the other tabs ($400 for 16GB, 1280x800 IPS Display).
If you are at all attracted using a pen, get the Note.
Well never mind, here is a demo of web browsing on Sony's tablet....yikes
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/29/sony-xperia-tablet-s-hands-on/
It has Tegra 3 SoC. That is a code for.. "avoid at all cost"...
Nexus 7 is the only "successful" Tegra 3 device.... but even that device has QC issue (granted, made by Asus). But in general, Tegra 3 devices in general have issues....
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It has Tegra 3 SoC. That is a code for.. "avoid at all cost"...
Nexus 7 is the only "successful" Tegra 3 device.... but even that device has QC issue (granted, made by Asus). But in general, Tegra 3 devices in general have issues....
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Too bad Demandarin isn't here; he'd get a kick out of me defending Teg3. I have a Teg3 One X. After its last update a week ago, it outperforms the Exynos SGS3 in Quadrant and AnTuTu (although Mali kicks GeForce’s butt in pure GPU tests, especially off-screen). With the performance boost the update improved battery life at the same time. There was initially some flickering issues from dynamic power management but they were cleaned up after the first update. Moral of the story: it's not the "chip" but what the manufacturers do with it that matters most.
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Too bad Demandarin isn't here; he'd get a kick out of me defending Teg3. I have a Teg3 One X. After its last update a week ago, it outperforms the Exynos SGS3 in Quadrant and AnTuTu (although Mali kicks GeForce’s butt in pure GPU tests, especially off-screen). With the performance boost the update improved battery life at the same time. There was initially some flickering issues from dynamic power management but they were cleaned up after the first update. Moral of the story: it's not the "chip" but what the manufacturers do with it that matters most.
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That flickering issue that you speak of... well, pretty much all Tegra 3 devices have it at some stage (also in various f/m updates... some go away, some return). That includes Nexus 7....
As for benchmarks ... too bad it doesn't translate into real world performance. Browsing in any Tegra 3 devices that I have tried (Prime, Acer A500 & 700, Toshiba tablet) has been absolute nightmare. My HP Touchpad easily outperforms all 3 of those Tegra 3 tablets....
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It has Tegra 3 SoC. That is a code for.. "avoid at all cost"...
Nexus 7 is the only "successful" Tegra 3 device.... but even that device has QC issue (granted, made by Asus). But in general, Tegra 3 devices in general have issues....
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Can't say if it's software or hardware but my Nexus 7 hangs in Dead Trigger everyone so often prompting to wait, report or close with the only real option to close and reopen it. Also, I notice the Tegra3 runs rather warm but probably because of the 40nm process. GN 10.1, on the other hand, has never hung in Dead Trigger and the Exynos runs rather cool.
Agreed...It is simple...Tegra 3 vs. Exynos ... no competition...
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It has Tegra 3 SoC. That is a code for.. "avoid at all cost"...
Nexus 7 is the only "successful" Tegra 3 device.... but even that device has QC issue (granted, made by Asus). But in general, Tegra 3 devices in general have issues....
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Hmm..
It is technically $100 cheaper, but several features lacking
1. Tegra 3 chip, which is NOT as good as the one in the infinity. Exynos chip on the Galaxy Note 10.1 is equivalent for infinity's tegra 3 chip on CPU side and for GPU side Exynos is better; hence, easily concluded CPU/GPU is inferior.
2. Memory. Standard 1GB memory, not 2GB as in Galaxy Note.
3. Standard 160 DPI screen & Smaller Screen....
4. No S-pen.
Personally I didn't care about S-pen in fact, I haven't used it since the day #1 I got the system... But still Samsung seemed to have some reason for its premium price despite lack of HD Screen i.e. better GPU, memory, and S-pen. $100 cheaper, but Xperia is inferior to infinity and galaxy note in every aspect. I just cannot believe why Sony even thought this would sell at all... They should have at least included HD display especially with smaller screen...
Sorry. Not for me. I'm very happy.
Let's not forget that it's a Sony. All of the good things you've been hearing about Sony's handset division in terms of developer friendliness do NOT apply to their tablets!
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WTF is this??
http://www.sammobile.com/2012/02/13/this-is-the-galaxy-tab-2/#.Tzk_2VnRwqc
Wow.
quoted from a cnet article..
The Galaxy Tab 2 will also become the first mobile device from Samsung to ship with its AllShare Play service. ????
So this was holding up our 4.0 update == the same hardware! doh!
to hit stores this march. I dont see anyreason why we wouldnt have our "update" by then.
clever marketing strategy Sammy, does this mean the new update will automagically transform our devices to become the new "Galaxy Tab 2"?
probably still no phone function in US.
I saw that too on Engadget, and I do not know if it's a good news or a bad one .
That "thing" seems to be quite the same as out G7+, so I wonder if we'd be able to flash the ICS FW straight from that one, before our device will be officially updated
By the way, I believe it's just the same device , slightly modified due to the recent apple/samsumg legal battle.
P_
http://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-computing/tablets/hands-on-samsung-galaxy-tab-2-review-1062954
hands on..
lets just hope for a leaked FW anyday now..
I think they may have been testing the sale of the 7+ in diff regions, and may release this as a universal release. except for US of course getting a Wifi only most likely.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1495134
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nice.
so we do have better hardware.
they probably also trying to cut costs as well as the processor issue.
well good to know we have the better hardware, so any ICS leaks wont work 100% then.
Wonder if its the end of the line for the 7+ ?
another forum on xda hopefully which means good fur us dev wise.. even if their ROMs wont run on our equpment.
Looks like they are going back to the Tegra2. Why break something when it's not fixed.
Here's the thing. Aside from the fact that it has a lower clock speed on the processor, (possibly a different, cheaper processor, e.g. Tegra 2), and the fact that it has no LED flash, lower resolution front facing camera; if you look carefully at the official press photos, you will notice that it is a bit more "touchwizzed" (look at the icons, they are a lot like the icons on the phone and the OG Galaxy Tab 7, (with colored squares behind each app icon.) It seems that this may in fact be Samsung's answer to the new ASUS 7in, $250 ICS tablet. If this is Samsung's "budget tablet" then it makes sense. If this is true, it will show up on all of the carriers, (subsidized and contracted, of course,) and may hit retailers as a sub-$300 tablet. At that price point, this makes sense.
This is becoming a bit ridiculous. The Tab Plus is not even properly introduced to market and we already have another version out?
This new one will be less expensive, maybe much less.
I would not be surprised if people start getting confused with
tab 7
tab 7 2
tab 7 plus
tab 7.7
and then all wifi and wifi/3g versions..
Why did they present it at a small show in Prague instead of MWC in few days? Does it make sense to you?
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Here's the thing. Aside from the fact that it has a lower clock speed on the processor, (possibly a different, cheaper processor, e.g. Tegra 2), and the fact that it has no LED flash, lower resolution front facing camera; if you look carefully at the official press photos, you will notice that it is a bit more "touchwizzed" (look at the icons, they are a lot like the icons on the phone and the OG Galaxy Tab 7, (with colored squares behind each app icon.) It seems that this may in fact be Samsung's answer to the new ASUS 7in, $250 ICS tablet. If this is Samsung's "budget tablet" then it makes sense. If this is true, it will show up on all of the carriers, (subsidized and contracted, of course,) and may hit retailers as a sub-$300 tablet. At that price point, this makes sense.
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The asus 250$ tablet is a tegra 3.
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The asus 250$ tablet is a tegra 3.
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I stand corrected. I was getting a bit confused. The $250 tablet, (which is still little more than a CES teaser,) is slated to be the ME370T. (I won't comment on build quality yet, since ASUS has serious issues building even their top of the line devices, i.e. Transformer Prime) The tablet I was referring to was the official $250 EeePad MeMo (ME171) which will have a 7-inch WXGA (1,280 x 800) IPS capacitive touchpanel, a 1.2GHz dual-core Qualcomm 8260 processor, a gigabyte of memory, 16GB / 32GB of storage, 802.11b/g/n WiFi, Bluetooth 2.1+EDR, a 1.2 megapixel front / 5 megapixel rear camera (with 1080p recording), an A-GPS sensor, gyroscope, proximity sensor and a micro-USB port. There's a 4,400mAh Li-polymer battery reportedly good for some 8.5 hours of video playback, and Android 4.0.1. The unit checks in with dimensions of 7.8- x 4.6- x 0.50-inches (and a weight of 14.2 ounces). Seeing as they haven't even announced a release date for the Tegra 3 ME370T, I have a feeling that the Galaxy Tab 2 is going to be competing with the similarly specced ME171. I hope that clears up any confusion I may have caused with my lack of clarity.
Its not quite a teaser. Reps from my company had it in hand at CES. It's pretty much official and will likely be a game changer, if Asus doesn't botch the roll out.
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Its not quite a teaser. Reps from my company had it in hand at CES. It's pretty much official and will likely be a game changer, if Asus doesn't botch the roll out.
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Unfortunately, it was a prototype unit, (and it felt like it,) While I don't doubt that Asus intends to bring it to market, I do doubt that they'll be able to make it very well at that price point with the types of parts they are claiming. Also, it's ASUS, they'll botch the roll out. They always do. Their devices always launch with build quality issues.
I wasn't there personally but a prototype makes sense. Looks like we're going to have to wait and see. I agree that a budget tab makes the most sense. With the 7+ being the big brother.
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I wasn't there personally but a prototype makes sense. Looks like we're going to have to wait and see. I agree that a budget tab makes the most sense. With the 7+ being the big brother.
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Will the average consumer understand the difference between tab plus and tab 2?
Many will think a Tab *2* is newer and better then a Tab *Plus*. like a S 2 is better then a S plus.
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Will the average consumer understand the difference between tab plus and tab 2?
Many will think a Tab *2* is newer and better then a Tab *Plus*. like a S 2 is better then a S plus.
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I don't know. Depends how they market it. The cynic in me says that the 7+ will become an after thought to both consumers and Samsung. It wouldn't be the first time they've done it.
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All I want to know is will the 7+ get ICS?
From what I see it seems that they'll switch to snapdragon s4, 1.7Ghz most likely which uses a15 compared to the Penta core tegra 3 which uses a9.. now don't come with the trash....
Oh oh s4 is better... no its not., you want proof ? I get 12000 CPU score on quadrant while s4 got 8000 that's 50% faster sorry.. as of battery life... companion core...........
BUT, there is always a but, the s4 is good enough to handle pretty much anything and the adreno 225 is better than geforce ulp which helps with those pixels .. also the tegra 3 seems to lag somehow.. in browsing.. when the page is loading if you scroll or pinch to zoom it lags on the prime as well as on the one x..in the rest it's the fastest..
In terms of raw power the tegra 3 is still the king. But it that what we need ?
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Cool story bro
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Ditto
why start a new thread when we have a thread about this tab already?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1523811
Soooooo many things wrong with your line of thinking.
First, quadrant measures IO of memory as well as processor speed and many other things. If you have, say class 10 memory on your device and a craptastic processor it could rate higher on quadrant than a device with class 4 memory and a extremely fast processor. Hell some roms even tweak to read extremely fast to rank very high on quadrant at the expense of everything else.
Quadrant tests mean nothing because they can be easially mutilated. If i want high quadrant its easy, if i want a fast device that does what i want, its not so easy.
next, the browser itself is what lags, not the tegra3 chip. Take the stock browser and put it in ANY other device, it will lag just as much. Its a **** browser, get one that works and then talk.
If you drive a ferrarri and say "wow this car is amazing but the windshield gets very dirty and the wipers dont clean it that well" does it mean the car is ****? No! it means you need new wipers. The same way if your browser or launcher or whatever is laggy dont complain, try a different browser and it will work better.
I swear, can we have a "UnThanks" button for some of these people? im tired of seeing these threads...
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Soooooo many things wrong with your line of thinking.
First, quadrant measures IO of memory as well as processor speed and many other things. If you have, say class 10 memory on your device and a craptastic processor it could rate higher on quadrant than a device with class 4 memory and a extremely fast processor. Hell some roms even tweak to read extremely fast to rank very high on quadrant at the expense of everything else.
Quadrant tests mean nothing because they can be easially mutilated. If i want high quadrant its easy, if i want a fast device that does what i want, its not so easy.
next, the browser itself is what lags, not the tegra3 chip. Take the stock browser and put it in ANY other device, it will lag just as much. Its a **** browser, get one that works and then talk.
If you drive a ferrarri and say "wow this car is amazing but the windshield gets very dirty and the wipers dont clean it that well" does it mean the car is ****? No! it means you need new wipers. The same way if your browser or launcher or whatever is laggy dont complain, try a different browser and it will work better.
I swear, can we have a "UnThanks" button for some of these people? im tired of seeing these threads...
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not really...... you know the browser doesn't lag as much on my nexus....
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http://www.stuff.tv/news/phone/news-nugget/exclusive-htc-one-x-vs-htc-one-xl-%E2%80%93-tegra-3-vs-snapdragon-s4
Here read below the antutu benchmark
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Tegra 3 GPU is probably too weak to support the 1920 x 1080 display. Anandtech points this out in their iPad 3 review.
What about the S4 Pro? Is the only difference between the Pro and Non Pro the GPU?
Tegra 3 > Snapdragon S4?
Tegra 3 < Snapdragon S4?
DOES NOT MATTER
Personally I think the Tegra 3 is a better option, but that doesn't matter. They are only switching to the Snapdragon on the LTE versions and are switching to the Snapdragon because the Tegra 3 SoC doesn't support LTE. If you want LTE, you can't get Tegra 3.
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not really...... you know the browser doesn't lag as much on my nexus....
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The browser doesn't lag at all on my Prime. Not since I did a factory reset anyway.
There are a lot of things that can impact the performance or a particular app including the processor. However just because an app lags on one device and not on the other, that isn't proof that one processor is better than another. In fact that kind of comparison is practically worthless for judging the relative abilities of two different chipsets.
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Tegra 3 GPU is probably too weak to support the 1920 x 1080 display. Anandtech points this out in their iPad 3 review.
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If that were really true, it is unlikely that Asus would be using the Tegra 3 on the WiFi TF Infinity tablets.
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Tegra 3 GPU is probably too weak to support the 1920 x 1080 display. Anandtech points this out in their iPad 3 review.
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Here's the thing, anadtech, like pretty much most other tech media sites, have been taken over by apple fanboys who would say/do anything to put apple in a better light than others. Some times they would lie right through their teeth just to put apple in a better light. Some times it's more subtle.
The 32gb TFP model sells at $499. Everyone knows this. Last month, there was a review comparison of the prime versus the new ipad. The author dared to say the prime starts at like $600 and he proved it by linking to to an awefully overpriced website. When myself and several others spammed the hell out of their inbox demanding they change it, they changed it and said it was a "typo". I just find it amazing that all these mistakes and typos are always made to make apple look better.
Anyway, nowadays I don't trust anything the tech media says about the performances of apple devices versus others. They don't even try to hide their apple bias anymore.
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And I recently tried to use the ipad again. Smooth device. However, it still feels like an oversized ipod touch because everything is oversized. I'm not 80 years old. I don't need the icons to be that big.
Most reviews on YouTube do the same,all these so called tech website are been bought buy Apple...
Very sad......
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Thicker? Heavier? Shorter battery life? Pass.
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Here's the thing, anadtech, like pretty much most other tech media sites, have been taken over by apple fanboys who would say/do anything to put apple in a better light than others. Some times they would lie right through their teeth just to put apple in a better light. Some times it's more subtle.
The 32gb TFP model sells at $499. Everyone knows this. Last month, there was a review comparison of the prime versus the new ipad. The author dared to say the prime starts at like $600 and he proved it by linking to to an awefully overpriced website. When myself and several others spammed the hell out of their inbox demanding they change it, they changed it and said it was a "typo". I just find it amazing that all these mistakes and typos are always made to make apple look better.
Anyway, nowadays I don't trust anything the tech media says about the performances of apple devices versus others. They don't even try to hide their apple bias anymore.
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And I recently tried to use the ipad again. Smooth device. However, it still feels like an oversized ipod touch because everything is oversized. I'm not 80 years old. I don't need the icons to be that big.
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Anandtech liked the Prime so much they did a pre review and a redo (due to radio issues with first unit), plus collaborated with Asus on the wifi radio issues. The Tegra 3 gpu is too weak to support 1920 x 1080. Takes a lot of power and the reason the gpu is a big part of the A5X in the iPad 3. Not fanboy a issue, but a LOT of pixels to push issue. There will need to be a new gpu if the Tegra 3 is used- if users expect smooth performance.
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Anandtech liked the Prime so much they did a pre review and a redo (due to radio issues with first unit), plus collaborated with Asus on the wifi radio issues. The Tegra 3 gpu is too weak to support 1920 x 1080. Takes a lot of power and the reason the gpu is a big part of the A5X in the iPad 3. Not fanboy a issue, but a LOT of pixels to push issue. There will need to be a new gpu if the Tegra 3 is used- if users expect smooth performance.
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Ok, I'll take that I guess.
I'm just weary about tech websites nowadays. Last year, I stumbled upon an article comparing the ipad 2 to an android tablet. From start to finish, the author never even mentioned what the android tablet was. When I zoomed into the picture, I could have sworn it was one of those cheap chinese tablets that ran on android 2.2 or 1.6. This was about the time when praising the ipad got you a lot of readers because the ipad 2 had just come out.
Almost every tech review of the TF101 said typing using the docking station was annoying because the mouse pointer was jumping around too much. Get it? Not a single one of these so-called tech reviewers and experts knew the 4th button from the left top row disables the trackpad.
What I've found most interesting is the fact that for almost a year most tech reviewers just ignored the TF101 completely. There were plenty of "top 10 tablets" or "ipad killer tablets" articles. 99% of them left out the TF101 completely even though the transformer was even more popular than the xoom.
Let's go back even further. I remember when asus chairman launched the asus transformer along with several other new products. I was watching live blogs made by various "journalists". What I noticed was they were all criticizing the transformer even before they got their hands on it. I specifically remember one "journalist" writing he thought no one would be interested in a laptop-tablet hybrid.
The tech media needs to start doing some heavy self-censuring if they want me to start trusting them again. As far as I'm concern, they're a bunch of liars who would say anything to put apple above everything else.
Agreed with the fanboy bias, since there are a few major sites that prefer Apples in their diet.
comon guys lets face it: tegra 3 will get pwnd by the nextgen a15 cpu's. thats how it works , simple.
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Kind of a tough decision for me. The 7.7 has battery life, screen quality/resolution, has better tablet app support (1024x600 on the 7.0 makes some apps appear in non-tablet mode), and better build/feel...while the 7.0 fits in my pocket, is cheaper, and doesn't seem to have as many issues (the 7.7 seems to have screen/color issues and overall sluggishness).
Advice? I'd be using it as my primary device (and making phone calls off of it), and I'm looking mostly at the screen size (so phones like the GS3 or Note don't appeal to me).
how about google nexus 7 tablet ，will coming soon.
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how about google nexus 7 tablet ，will coming soon.
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Because it probably won't have 3G, let alone GSM phone service...I've owned too many Wi-Fi tablets to know I won't use them unless they're my primary device.
P6800 is a beautiful device. Can be used as primary phone (if you can make past the funny remarks), an be used as any tablet. You must install a custom ROM from here on XDA, the tablet will fly. Samsung is a bunch of greedy idiots that interest only on money, not on support. But that's why we have the friends on XDA that work hard to give us a better and optimized firmware.
Galaxy Tab 2 is with a very slow CPU, games will stutter, P6800 has the same GPU as S III, that performs on par with Tegra 3 Geforce ULP.
So yes, the better choice would be the P6800. But you need to be just a little more patient, until ICS will be fully compatible, than your tablet will really fly.
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P6800 is a beautiful device. Can be used as primary phone (if you can make past the funny remarks), an be used as any tablet. You must install a custom ROM from here on XDA, the tablet will fly. Samsung is a bunch of greedy idiots that interest only on money, not on support. But that's why we have the friends on XDA that work hard to give us a better and optimized firmware.
Galaxy Tab 2 is with a very slow CPU, games will stutter, P6800 has the same GPU as S III, that performs on par with Tegra 3 Geforce ULP.
So yes, the better choice would be the P6800. But you need to be just a little more patient, until ICS will be fully compatible, than your tablet will really fly.
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Um, two things - I'm talking about the Galaxy Tab 7+, not the 2, which has the same CPU/GPU as in the 7.7 (but clocked a little slower). And the Exynos in either is dual-core, not the much faster quad-core in the GS3.
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Um, two things - I'm talking about the Galaxy Tab 7+, not the 2, which has the same CPU/GPU as in the 7.7 (but clocked a little slower). And the Exynos in either is dual-core, not the much faster quad-core in the GS3.
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The GPU is the same: Mali400. A quad-core GPU. On par with Geforce ULP with 12-core (Tegra3).
But the 7.7" has a SUPER AMOLED screen. Very good in sunlight, consumes less (if you read a lot with black background). Bigger resolution than Plus.
This is being released apparently in close proximity to the release date of the TF700 - probably by no accident.
Considering all the reservations people have had with the TF700 Tegra 3 and I/O issues it might pay to wait two more weeks and see how this performs:
http://www.jr.com/samsung/pe/SAM_N8013EAVXAR/
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/13/galaxy-note-10-1-pre-order-amazon/
Amazon also had a pre-order up and pulled it. So the release date is in question. Would be interesting if it happens go on sale on July 16. Certainly seems like its release is imminent.
I was certain that I would buy an Infininty as soon as it becomes available in the US. Now, for the first time, I think I might wait. A 10 inch tablet with a quad core exynos sounds impressive, and might really give all tegra 3 tabs some serious competiton.
Trade off is a 720p screen and no dock for potentionally much more capable processor. And of course you would have to consider Samsung's lousy track record with software updates. Course there would likely be big potentional for custom firmware, and then there is the S pen stylus thingy which is sort of interesting...
Touch Wizz is a bit of a turn off for me. The exynos, although better in some synthetic benchmarks will probably be no better for day to day use and the lack of 1080p display is a real bummer. I would still go with an Infinity if it were available.
I agree about touchwiz. I hate it with a passion. On my galaxy note phone, the home screen doesn't even rotate to landscape - at least I haven't found a way to make it do so.
I disagree about exynos however. You can't judge a processor that hasn't been released and benchmarked yet (however synthetically) or tested in real world use.
Everyone touted the Tegra 2 as being the best thing since sliced bread, well before it was released, and same with the Tegra 3
Both have been less than perfect in actual practice. I think I will wait and see. Also remember Samsung is responsible for some very impressive displays - the retina display of the ipad 3, and the amoled screen of the tab 7.7 and excite 7.7 for example. The display of this tab might be quite good. Won't know until its available.
Also, I'll bet a quad core exynos pushing a 720p screen will be blazing fast compared to a Tegra 3 trying to push a 1080p screen..
Honestly, if just the web browsing were smooth it would be a major improvement!
Sounds like a great unit. Shame indeed it doesn't have the battery-powered dock. I want the best of both worlds!
I was considering the Note, but it hasn't got a HD screen and to be honest the keyboard dock clinches it for me...
Will need to see the screen resolution before assessing if this really is a competitor to the TF700.
If you don't know that tf700 holds the benchmark for the best CPU, you shouldn't be talking , it uses Tegra 3 t33 which is the best as far as cpu's and gpu's go and if you guys knew a single thing not the CPU pushes the pixels but the GPU in which case the exynos has a very slight advantage because of the lower resolution screen but Samsung will use the cheap plastic back, and worse back camera, and ****ty updates, sure the infinity has some I/o problems but mine hardly lags, sure it's inconsistent but, but it can be fixed.. sorry no go for samsung
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Touch Wizz is a bit of a turn off for me. The exynos, although better in some synthetic benchmarks will probably be no better for day to day use and the lack of 1080p display is a real bummer. I would still go with an Infinity if it were available.
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Wrong wrong wrong... the exynos is slightly behind t33
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If you don't know that tf700 holds the benchmark for the best CPU, you shouldn't be talking , it uses Tegra 3 t33 which is the best as far as cpu's and gpu's go and if you guys knew a single thing not the CPU pushes the pixels but the GPU in which case the exynos has a very slight advantage because of the lower resolution screen but Samsung will use the cheap plastic back, and worse back camera, and ****ty updates, sure the infinity has some I/o problems but mine hardly lags, sure it's inconsistent but, but it can be fixed.. sorry no go for samsung
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All the benchmarks point that the Exynos found on the GS3 its more powerful than the Tegra 3 T30 wich is almost the same as the Tegra 3 T33 found on the new infinity. I don't think the Tegra 3 will be powerful enough to handle such a big screen resolution.
Here is the chart for GPU performance.
as you can see the new exynos is much powerful than the Tegra 3.
Don't go with a Tegra 3 full hd screen tablet. Wait for a better GPU
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Wrong wrong wrong... the exynos is slightly behind t33
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Is it, that's great to hear! I was going by the T30 vs the Exynos quad core not the T33
Best advice though, feel them both if you can, find out which feels best and has the best experience. I doubt the T33 is too weak for the 1080p display as it is still a very up to date CPU. You have Samsung crappy build quality vs aluminium and a little plastic on the TFI, for me thats a winner.
if this had a better screen and USB port, i'd consider it. If the Toshiba Excite 10, took a micro sd card ( i already purchased a couple of 64gb micro cards) and had a USB port, i'd consider that too. Damn you Asus for making something that has everything i need, but then making these mistakes.
I'd strongly consider it if it had a high DPI screen. As is, its not an option for me. Still picking up a TF700 in a week when it launches.
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All the benchmarks point that the Exynos found on the GS3 its more powerful than the Tegra 3 T30 wich is almost the same as the Tegra 3 T33 found on the new infinity. I don't think the Tegra 3 will be powerful enough to handle such a big screen resolution.
Here is the chart for GPU performance.
as you can see the new exynos is much powerful than the Tegra 3.
Don't go with a Tegra 3 full hd screen tablet. Wait for a better GPU
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geforceulp is powerfull enough despite it being a little slower that mali 400, but you cant deny that cpu is superior to exynos quad
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All the benchmarks point that the Exynos found on the GS3 its more powerful than the Tegra 3 T30 wich is almost the same as the Tegra 3 T33 found on the new infinity. I don't think the Tegra 3 will be powerful enough to handle such a big screen resolution.
Here is the chart for GPU performance.
as you can see the new exynos is much powerful than the Tegra 3.
Don't go with a Tegra 3 full hd screen tablet. Wait for a better GPU
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besides jelly bean is around the corner for the infinity so performance wont be an issue and btw i can run dead trigger without an issue, and it is optimized for 1920x1200
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geforceulp is powerfull enough despite it being a little slower that mali 400, but you cant deny that cpu is superior to exynos quad
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Thanks for the benchmark results. Actually, could you tell me if you always get a similar result? And what governor and power mode were these done on? (performance?)
My results tend to vary, in various benchmarks too.
Does anyone know how much better the SPen is compared to a regular capacitive stylus. I know it has the pressure sensitivity and all, but can it compare to a Wacom Bamboo in the slightest?
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Does anyone know how much better the SPen is compared to a regular capacitive stylus. I know it has the pressure sensitivity and all, but can it compare to a Wacom Bamboo in the slightest?
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AFAIK its main strength is being used with Samsung's "Note" devices because of the induction technology, otherwise it won't give better results.
It seems to bounce around 12000 on antutu, 4800 on quadrant and 1500 they're not always constant and I did it on balanced and I seem to get better results than performance
Could you post some of your benchmark results ?
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It seems to bounce around 12000 on antutu, 4800 on quadrant and 1500 they're not always constant and I did it on balanced and I seem to get better results than performance
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Interesting. I get all sorts of results. Maybe less varied with sio. Probably something faulty about my device, but it runs ok apart from that. I'd still prefer the Krait.
Could you post some of your benchmark results ?
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Sure, first thing tomorrow [I'm on low battery now ;>]
So are you running the "interactive" CPU governor? (+ sio or noop?)
What are your LinPack scores? Are they consistent?
My last result in AnTuTu was 12219, but these were done in performance mode + with performance governor and I remember getting as low as 4xxx in balanced mode with noop.
The only thing that kept this device from being a better device was the GPU not designed to support the 1080p for pushing anything efficiently except video.
Surprised there has not been an update yet with a better GPU and memory channel efficiency. Seems the newer Qualcomm chips woud work great if the wait is Tegra 4 mass availability, which is being allocated first to Nvidia's Shield.
I suspect the Infinity hasn't sold enough to warrant them making a new one. Their cheaper devices including the nexus 7 have done much better.
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Surprised there has not been an update yet
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The TF700 is not even one year old, and most other tablets still have crappy 1280*800 screens.
The only current device that looks interesting is the Sony Xperia Tablet Z - with a Snapdragon S4 Pro and 2 GB RAM, the same 1920*1200 screen resolution as our Infinity, thin and light, and even waterproof. No "transformer" dock though.
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I suspect the Infinity hasn't sold enough to warrant them making a new one. Their cheaper devices including the nexus 7 have done much better.
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I think you may be right. The Infinity was a bit pricey, but I don't regret for a second going for it instead of a lower-res tablet. And the Nexus 7 is a great piece of hardware, but as I was looking into a laptop replacement, it wouldn't have been a choice (too small a screen, no dock, even if there are external keyboards available).
Maybe they'll make another premium device in a year or so. With Tegra 4 or some other latest-gen SoC. And maybe I'll be wanting to upgrade then. If one were to come out right now, it would be way too soon for me
That's because the hardware isn't outdated yet.
There are only 2 or 3 other Full HD screens (1280x800 is not Full HD. 1080 and above is.) out there. Barely any competition. (Apple doesn't count.)
There are no new advancements in terms of displays (meaning the change from LCD to LED.)
There is no Tegra 4 yet.
There is no significant improvement in battery.
There are no 128GB internal drives.
There are no other dock-intergrated devices out there that aren't Asus; and the W8 versions are a step back, not forward. (you can't set it on your lap.)
There have been no extreme camera improvements to warrant a new device.
So what would a new version add? The only thing it could change would be to add another GB of RAM, a different storage because of the I/O issues, an even higher resolution which will cause even more lag, and a Snapdragon, which won't happen as Transformers have always used Tegra.
So there is nothing to really improve on; Asus isn't officially acknowledging the I/O issues.
Agreed on the Sony. I have a TF300 32gb with dock and iPad 4 128gb. The iPad is a lot faster device and better battery life (even when counting the dock), but love the emulator options and easier file transfer on the TF300.
Next tab will be 1080p Android.
I think they re-tooled for the Win8 devices for a bit as well so they probably are busy with that.
I would guess that they are waiting for Tegra 4 to enter mass production. I would love to see a Snapdragon 800 tablet though.