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[Q] Tegra 2 GPU Is Weak??

I've just emailed the folks at Rubicon development complaining that their Great Little War Game (which is a great game btw) is laggy on my ASUS EEE Pad Transformer which is powered by the Tegra 2 SOC when you set the detail to high or ultra. Setting it to medium plays the game smoothly. Some folk posted a review of the game in the Android market praising the game runs smoothly even on his Incredible S which runs on the Adreno 205 GPU. Running the game on high / ultra adds in an excellent water effect which causes the game to slowdown on the Transformer.
I highlighted this to the Rubicon developers and one of them said that while the Tegra 2 CPU is powerful, the GPU isn't as powerful as the Adreno 205 GPU on the Incredible S. I seriously find that really really hard to believe because the benchmark figures here shows that Tegra 2 even beats the PowerVR GPU in Nexus S which is more powerful than the Adreno 205:
http://androidandme.com/2011/03/news/tegra-2-benchmarks-motorola-atrix-4g-vs-lg-optimus-2x/
So I emailed them to see if they can actually optimize it for Tegra 2 because as I understand it, you have to optimize your game for Tegra 2 chipsets in order to make full use of the GPU much like in games such as RipTide GP which has excellent graphics and I dont believe the Adreno 205 could render the water effect that brilliantly.
Could someone shed some light on this?
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Here's what the developers of "Great little war game" have to say about tegra 2 tablets:
We've done just that with v1.0.4 - have a play in the new settings screen.
We've kind done all we can do now tbh, of the 4 different GPU's in Android phones, Tegra 2 comes bottom and its in most of the devices with the biggest screens.
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Can you believe that? Sounds to me they are getting lazy rather than trying to optimize it for Tegra 2 because right now, they have two modes in the game with the new update - a fast graphics and a best graphics mode. Fast graphics mode appears to set the game resolution at a horrible 640x480 to speed things up but makes things very very ugly with heavy pixelation on tablets. while best graphics uses the native resolution, everything is sharp but slows down on certain larger levels of the game.
I suggested to them to change this to 800x600 when toggling to fast graphics which i believe will reduce the pixelation effect while still maintaining a decent graphics for the player. What do you guys think?

Nexus S should be right about the same hardware as the Galaxy Tab, and I do run RipTide GP at full quality equally smooth on that thing. Tegra 2 is a kinda all around lame chipset, but you really notice the single core when a mail comes in, and the TF keeps you splashing around while the Galaxy stutters badly for a moment... Also no choice on the chipset at the moment if you want a tablet.
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AlexTheStampede said:
Nexus S should be right about the same hardware as the Galaxy Tab, and I do run RipTide GP at full quality equally smooth on that thing. Tegra 2 is a kinda all around lame chipset, but you really notice the single core when a mail comes in, and the TF keeps you splashing around while the Galaxy stutters badly for a moment... Also no choice on the chipset at the moment if you want a tablet.
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Nexus S is powered by the PowerVR GPU - its not the same as the Galaxy Tab at all (i'm referring to the Galaxy Tab 10.1).

And I'm talking about the one they sold one year ago, the 7" Froyo little monster using the same Hummingbird coupled with an SGX 540 that the Nexus S has
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AlexTheStampede said:
And I'm talking about the one they sold one year ago, the 7" Froyo little monster using the same Hummingbird coupled with an SGX 540 that the Nexus S has
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how did you manage to run RipTide GP which is a Tegra only game? I suppose you used something like chainfire 3d? ( I havent tried it tho)

Exactly, Chainfire 3D and the Tegra plugin. No settings changed it just works, exactly like the pinball game. I didn't try any other game.

It requires a lot more power to render a game at 1280x720 than 800x480. As for which SoC is more powerful, I think benchmarks prove that Tegra 2 > Snapdragon S2.

AlexTheStampede said:
Exactly, Chainfire 3D and the Tegra plugin. No settings changed it just works, exactly like the pinball game. I didn't try any other game.
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I see. cool. but it still doesnt make sense why Rubicon mentioned that the Adreno 205 is more powerful than the Tegra 2.

Killer Bee said:
It requires a lot more power to render a game at 1280x720 than 800x480.
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this part i totally agree in terms of resolution but to say the Adreno 205 GPU is more powerful than the Tegra 2 GPU is wrong in every sense. Just because a game plays well in 800x480 doesnt make that GPU more powerful than the Tegra 2 GPU which plays game on 1280x800 in tablets. If it were the same resolution in the incredible S i'm pretty sure the game would be just as sluggish or worse.

mlbl said:
Could someone shed some light on this?
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Assuming the game runs at the Transformer's native resolution, the ULP GeForce would be required to push nearly three times as many pixels as the Adreno 205 in the Incredible S. Consider then that the ULP GeForce is maybe 50% faster in best-case scenarios.
As for Tegra optimizations, all that really is is a proprietary texture format that only Tegra chips can use. It provides a few benefits.. that can already be implemented in OpenGL ES 2.X anyway.
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Man it obviously took me a long time to type that.. got ninja'd three times over..
mlbl said:
I see. cool. but it still doesnt make sense why Rubicon mentioned that the Adreno 205 is more powerful than the Tegra 2.
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Just because they are developers, doesn't mean they aren't ignorant of certain hardware.

Sjael said:
Assuming the game runs at the Transformer's native resolution, the ULP GeForce would be required to push nearly three times as many pixels as the Adreno 205 in the Incredible S. Consider then that the ULP GeForce is maybe 50% faster in best-case scenarios.
As for Tegra optimizations, all that really is is a proprietary texture format that only Tegra chips can use. It provides a few benefits.. that can already be implemented in OpenGL ES 2.X anyway.
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Man it obviously took me a long time to type that.. got ninja'd three times over..
Just because they are developers, doesn't mean they aren't ignorant of certain hardware.
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Your explanation makes a lot of sense and yep doesn't mean they are developers, they're always right. Its possible they've made a mistake there and just make some assumptions on their own instead of basing off facts.

To begin with, the "Tegra Zone" means quality exactly like say, Amazon AppStore. Example? Galaxy on Fire 2 runs smooth-ish (I'd say 20fps or so) on an iPhone 3G. Not a 3GS. The mighty 600mhz (is it still underclocked to 400?) money printer Apple sold in 2008 with 128mb of ram. But hey, I'm sure the resolution of the screen is low enough to counterbalance the amazing graphics possible only thanks to Nvidia!
Anyway the Galaxy Tab runs at 1024x600 that is closer to the 1280x720 of the TF (the lower bar is 80 pixels, and there isn't any game using those obviously).

Here's what the developers of "Great little war game" have to say about tegra 2 tablets:
We've done just that with v1.0.4 - have a play in the new settings screen.
We've kind done all we can do now tbh, of the 4 different GPU's in Android phones, Tegra 2 comes bottom and its in most of the devices with the biggest screens.
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Can you believe that? Sounds to me they are getting lazy rather than trying to optimize it for Tegra 2 because right now, they have two modes in the game with the new update - a fast graphics and a best graphics mode. Fast graphics mode appears to set the game resolution at a horrible 640x480 to speed things up but makes things very very ugly with heavy pixelation on tablets. while best graphics uses the native resolution, everything is sharp but slows down on certain larger levels of the game.
I suggested to them to change this to 800x600 when toggling to fast graphics which i believe will reduce the pixelation effect while still maintaining a decent graphics for the player. What do you guys think?

Sjael said:
Just because they are developers, doesn't mean they aren't ignorant of certain hardware.
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I gotta bump that one up. I'm in a development shop and the majority of the developers wouldn't know what CPU they had if there wasn't a sticker on their laptop.
Understanding software and hardware is a completely different skill set.

Well, could just be gpu optimization. Adreno uses a VLIW5, similar to AMD gpu, with an extra scalar unit, which apparently is hard to develop for, but can yield great results on shader heavy prgrams that are designed for it (or just happen to favor it). The Adreno 205 does outpace the [email protected] in vertex shader heavy benchmarks... and most implementations of snapdragon only use one of its two memory channels! ( because the first is PoP, but thesecond must be off package).
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while the Tegra 2 CPU is powerful, the GPU isn't as powerful as the Adreno 205 GPU on the Incredible S.
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That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Rubicon mainly develops for the iOS platform; I'd reckon they are just lazy at optimizing for several different SOCs.

grainysand said:
That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Rubicon mainly develops for the iOS platform; I'd reckon they are just lazy at optimizing for several different SOCs.
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There is another point I didn't address. Adreno 205 is Unified shaders. So is sgx540. Tegra 2, however, is 4 pixel, 4 vertex. So there are definately situations, even entire genres, that would be potentially slower on Tegra 2 compared to what a benchmark would say.
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I had bought Great Little War Game 2 weeks ago. But after few minutes of playing I canceled the purchase and refunded. Why? Because of poor optimization for Asus.
I have this game also on Ipad2. It runs smoothly and much better.

Orion66 said:
I had bought Great Little War Game 2 weeks ago. But after few minutes of playing I canceled the purchase and refunded. Why? Because of poor optimization for Asus.
I have this game also on Ipad2. It runs smoothly and much better.
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generally not just the asus but all the tegra 2 tablets have poor performance for this game

So is the issue that the tegra 2 in some respects is slower or that developers need to write with the way the tegra 2 gpu works in mind?
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Can Droid pad keep up with IPAD 3?

The new release of IPAD3 will hit Verizon and ATT on March 16, equipped with 4G+Wifi and non 4G. It's the fact that apple A5X chip (quad core) is 4 time faster that droid tegra 3, higher resolution (2048 x 1536 ipad vs Asus transformer 700series 1920 x 1200, which suppose to release around June, 2012). Together with the high end hardware, apple also boost their software with amazing video editor, autodesk (hand draw graphic design), camera editing software and namco games designed just for Ipad...I'm a droid fan but I just have to admit, Apple is one of warrior that we may NOT able to beat...I'm thinking of pick one up, the one without 4G (extra $30 a month) and use my charge for 4g tethering every time I'm on the road.

You fell for Apple's use of fancy words. The A5X chip is a dual core cpu with a quad core gpu. Yes, you get no more CPU performance, just more graphics performance, which almost nothing takes advantage of fully now with the A5. Besides the updated screen and new software, there is really nothing spectacular about the new iPad. Just like the iPhone 4S update, it's a few minor spec bumps that Apple marketing (they are a marketing company that just happens to also sell stuff) made sound like the latest and greatest technology. Wait until other manufacturers get a chance to actually start using the new and upcoming quad-core SoCs
It's also not a Droid Tegra 3 or Droid pad. It is a Tegra 3 processor, which can be used by anyone on any platform, and Android Tablets. The Tegra 3 is actually a quad core cpu with 12 core gpu (technically 5 core cpu), and who knows how it will benchmark against Apple's chip, since Apple didn't release any firm details about how the new A5X benchmarked higher than the Tegra 3, or how much higher, or if it was a production Tegra 3 chip.
Personally, I would wait to see what Samsung comes up with this summer/fall to counter it, and even if they don't have anything, I would still take a GalaxyTab 7.7 over an iPad any day of the week.

imnuts said:
You fell for Apple's use of fancy words. The A5X chip is a dual core cpu with a quad core gpu. Yes, you get no more CPU performance, just more graphics performance, which almost nothing takes advantage of fully now with the A5. Besides the updated screen and new software, there is really nothing spectacular about the new iPad. Just like the iPhone 4S update, it's a few minor spec bumps that Apple marketing (they are a marketing company that just happens to also sell stuff) made sound like the latest and greatest technology. Wait until other manufacturers get a chance to actually start using the new and upcoming quad-core SoCs
It's also not a Droid Tegra 3 or Droid pad. It is a Tegra 3 processor, which can be used by anyone on any platform, and Android Tablets. The Tegra 3 is actually a quad core cpu with 12 core gpu (technically 5 core cpu), and who knows how it will benchmark against Apple's chip, since Apple didn't release any firm details about how the new A5X benchmarked higher than the Tegra 3, or how much higher, or if it was a production Tegra 3 chip.
Personally, I would wait to see what Samsung comes up with this summer/fall to counter it, and even if they don't have anything, I would still take a GalaxyTab 7.7 over an iPad any day of the week.
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Yea ***** what he said!....no offense buhohitr
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Yea ***** what he said!....no offense buhohitr
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Non taken, I'm here for a nice hobby and for fun....that's all.

Question: are you a Droid fan or Android fan?
Anyway,not much more to say than what Imnuts said. The thing is, the iPad 2's A5 chip proved to beat Tegra 3 in a series of benchmarks, though T3 was running on Honeycomb(and they were offscreen benchmarks). I wonder if the results would have been different if T3 was running on ICS.
What I'm very curious to see is Samsung's offering(higher resolution screen and quad core Exynos). Maybe even with bone stock ICS. That would be my dream tablet
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I have friends who are diehard apple fanboys and even they say they're not getting it because its "pretty much the same as the 2"... a lot of people are starting to catch on to what Imnuts said about marketing gimmicks and releasing old tech as "revolutionary"
that said I also agree that I'll be waiting for the next quad core beast from Asus ($200 Google Nexus tablet anyone?) or maybe Samsung but I don't want their ugly ass bloated touchwiz over ICS
p.s. the only good thing I could see being brought about by this 3rd iPad would be hopefully display manufacturers will see that its possible to make higher-than-1080p displays for a reasonable price... also LOL at them for including what is basically a laptop capacity battery in it, and I doubt it would really get 10 hours on 4G
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It still isn't worth getting one if the OS is just a magnified iPhone OS (like it can't do anything new compared to the iPhone 4s)

imnuts said:
You fell for Apple's use of fancy words. The A5X chip is a dual core cpu with a quad core gpu. Yes, you get no more CPU performance, just more graphics performance, which almost nothing takes advantage of fully now with the A5. Besides the updated screen and new software, there is really nothing spectacular about the new iPad. Just like the iPhone 4S update, it's a few minor spec bumps that Apple marketing (they are a marketing company that just happens to also sell stuff) made sound like the latest and greatest technology. Wait until other manufacturers get a chance to actually start using the new and upcoming quad-core SoCs
It's also not a Droid Tegra 3 or Droid pad. It is a Tegra 3 processor, which can be used by anyone on any platform, and Android Tablets. The Tegra 3 is actually a quad core cpu with 12 core gpu (technically 5 core cpu), and who knows how it will benchmark against Apple's chip, since Apple didn't release any firm details about how the new A5X benchmarked higher than the Tegra 3, or how much higher, or if it was a production Tegra 3 chip.
Personally, I would wait to see what Samsung comes up with this summer/fall to counter it, and even if they don't have anything, I would still take a GalaxyTab 7.7 over an iPad any day of the week.
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Uh... no. iOS is GPU accelerated. Its interface and UI relies heavily on the GPU, much more so than Android. The stronger the GPU, for example, the less checkerboarding you experience when scrolling webpages. Of course this is more than negated by 4x the pixels, so day to day performance may not be as good as on the iPad 2.
In Anand's testing they found the iPad 2's GPU to be about 30% faster on average than the Tegra 3. Apple's 2x claim is probably based on a specific test that targets one of Tegra's numerous weaknesses. That said, the iPad 3 uses the same GPU as the PS VITA (albeit without the dedicated VRAM and to-the-metal programming). It's a beast. The same goes for that hi-res screen, which won't be surpassed by a shipping product for a year at least.

Apple claimed that in order to support such a super high resolution display, the A5X graphic chip is the key. But..what ever, Nvidia is going to bench mark the A5X and their Tegra 3...the true will reveal. I may add if indeed Tegra3 is faster, I'm a very happy guy, cause I have my eyes on the coming Asus Transformer 700 due to release sometime in June 2012. Beside the hardware, Apple also released 5 killer apps; video editor(amazing photo editor and movie maker), autodesk(free hand graphic design), 2 new games from Namco and Epic, icloud garage band where 4 people (drumer,guitar,keyboard,bass) can play the same song over the internet.
http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/123pibhargjknawdconwecown/event/index.html

buhohitr said:
Apple claimed that in order to support such a super high resolution display, the A5X graphic chip is the key. But..what ever, Nvidia is going to bench mark the A5X and their Tegra 3...the true will reveal. I may add if indeed Tegra3 is faster, I'm a very happy guy, cause I have my eyes on the coming Asus Transformer 700 due to release sometime in June 2012. Beside the hardware, Apple also released 5 killer apps; video editor(amazing photo editor and movie maker), autodesk(free hand graphic design), 2 new games from Namco and Epic, icloud garage band where 4 people (drumer,guitar,keyboard,bass) can play the same song over the internet.
http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/123pibhargjknawdconwecown/event/index.html
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iCloud seems very similar to Google's cloud services.
As for Autodesk, doesn't that company have an app(or apps) for android as well? Both OS systems have Photoshop Touch, which seems like a great photo editing tools in its own right.
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DirgeExtinction said:
iCloud seems very similar to Google's cloud services.
As for Autodesk, doesn't that company have an app(or apps) for android as well? Both OS systems have Photoshop Touch, which seems like a great photo editing tools in its own right.
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Obviously, you haven't read the link for apple event. We're not talking about photoshop and Autodesk for ipad3 is not same as android. Sure google has gcloud, but here we're talking about using the cloud to play music as a band using Ipad3 as music instrument. Click on the link and find out more....

ambrar12 said:
Uh... no. iOS is GPU accelerated. Its interface and UI relies heavily on the GPU, much more so than Android. The stronger the GPU, for example, the less checkerboarding you experience when scrolling webpages. Of course this is more than negated by 4x the pixels, so day to day performance may not be as good as on the iPad 2.
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The UI is no more or less accelerated now with ICS for Android from what I've read. The only stuff left in Android that isn't GPU driven isn't going to tax the CPU to render it. The only reason that the added GPU power will be needed is the high resolution, which is pointless IMO. Why get a higher resolution other than to brag about it? You think Samsung/LG/etc. couldn't make a higher resolution display if they wanted to? They're sticking to 1080p/720p because it's a standard resolution and you won't be powering unnecessary pixels if you don't have to, which you will be doing on that display when watching HD videos. Either way, I give it 3-4 months before someone displays a better product, if not sooner. No one has any idea how the OMAP5 really performs, or the quad-core Exynos chips, and if anyone will best the A5X, those are probably the best candidates.

buhohitr said:
Obviously, you haven't read the link for apple event. We're not talking about photoshop and Autodesk for ipad3 is not same as android. Sure google has gcloud, but here we're talking about using the cloud to play music as a band using Ipad3 as music instrument. Click on the link and find out more....
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Playing music as a band using the iPad 3 using "the cloud"(which pretty much means using the iPad's LTE modem) sounds like what multiplayer games on iOS and Android do.
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Ugh iPad is only quicker cause it's less complex OS
Android will always be light years ahead of apple in technological advances it has usb plug ins since atrix and honeycomb
Apple is far more interested in marketing than creating the best device as long as they can keep u buying everything thru their e-stores they will be happy
I have an iPad 2 and tegra devices will ALWAYS have more features and a faster platform nuff said
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imnuts said:
I would still take a GalaxyTab 7.7 over an iPad any day of the week.
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The display on the Galaxy Tab 7.7 is gorgeous. Also, I have some Apple fanboy coworkers who admit that having a 7" iPad would be awesome, and that typing/holding an iPad can be cumbersome.
Oh iPad, you are so revolutionary.
Side rant: I love how Apple upgraded the cameras on the iPad3 and acted like it's a big deal. Cameras... on a tablet.. Who in the **** uses their tablet's cameras that often to warrant a hardware upgrade? The cameras were fine! How about updating the damn OS.
Don't get me started on Siri. Aimbot, anyone?

OK, for better comparison, let just comparing ONLY 4G device; Ipad3 clearly the winner here over any android tablet currently on the Market. Let's not even talk about the future, because it's endless and mute discussion.
People are so offensive when ever we talk about the "competitor". Like 'Ipad3 has the highest screen resolution", Oh that's not needed, it's not make that much of different. Come on admitted, they do have higher resolution than any other device out there. Sometime, we should hold back our egos and watch and listen, we may learn something new. I'm an Android fan, but sometime the competitor is better and I will admit they're better and sometime when Android is better, we should be proud. Only kids bashing other kids.

buhohitr said:
OK, for better comparison, let just comparing ONLY 4G device; Ipad3 clearly the winner here over any android tablet currently on the Market. Let's not even talk about the future, because it's endless and mute discussion.
People are so offensive when ever we talk about the "competitor". Like 'Ipad3 has the highest screen resolution", Oh that's not needed, it's not make that much of different. Come on admitted, they do have higher resolution than any other device out there. Sometime, we should hold back our egos and watch and listen, we may learn something new. I'm an Android fan, but sometime the competitor is better and I will admit they're better and sometime when Android is better, we should be proud. Only kids bashing other kids.
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I agree. Having competition is good for Google. I have recently changed my view of IOS devices, and I'd have no problem getting an IP3 ..(if it were free and Jail broken.)

letsgophillyingeneral said:
Side rant: I love how Apple upgraded the cameras on the iPad3 and acted like it's a big deal. Cameras... on a tablet.. Who in the **** uses their tablet's cameras that often to warrant a hardware upgrade? The cameras were fine! How about updating the damn OS.
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The FFC is still the same VGA camera that was on the iPad2, they only upgraded the rear camera.
buhohitr said:
OK, for better comparison, let just comparing ONLY 4G device; Ipad3 clearly the winner here over any android tablet currently on the Market. Let's not even talk about the future, because it's endless and mute discussion.
People are so offensive when ever we talk about the "competitor". Like 'Ipad3 has the highest screen resolution", Oh that's not needed, it's not make that much of different. Come on admitted, they do have higher resolution than any other device out there. Sometime, we should hold back our egos and watch and listen, we may learn something new. I'm an Android fan, but sometime the competitor is better and I will admit they're better and sometime when Android is better, we should be proud. Only kids bashing other kids.
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I would still take the GalaxyTab 7.7. And yes, it has a higher screen resolution, but how is it useful? The only good thing about that high resolution is that you could see pictures without zooming in as much. The more screen real estate you're getting, it's going to take developers a while to take advantage of it because it is such a huge increase. It's pointless for movies and videos, when is the last time you saw a movie with a resolution greater than 1080p? For video viewing, you have wasted screen space. I'm sure the display looks great, but until we actually have videos that are >1080i/p, I don't see a reason to have a higher resolution display.

imnuts said:
The FFC is still the same VGA camera that was on the iPad2, they only upgraded the rear camera.
I would still take the GalaxyTab 7.7. And yes, it has a higher screen resolution, but how is it useful? The only good thing about that high resolution is that you could see pictures without zooming in as much. The more screen real estate you're getting, it's going to take developers a while to take advantage of it because it is such a huge increase. It's pointless for movies and videos, when is the last time you saw a movie with a resolution greater than 1080p? For video viewing, you have wasted screen space. I'm sure the display looks great, but until we actually have videos that are >1080i/p, I don't see a reason to have a higher resolution display.
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Higher resolution is great for gaming!

Ipad 3 is amazing but dont android OS my favorite tablet samsung asus vs.!

Asus transformer prime infinity

From what I see it seems that they'll switch to snapdragon s4, 1.7Ghz most likely which uses a15 compared to the Penta core tegra 3 which uses a9.. now don't come with the trash....
Oh oh s4 is better... no its not., you want proof ? I get 12000 CPU score on quadrant while s4 got 8000 that's 50% faster sorry.. as of battery life... companion core...........
BUT, there is always a but, the s4 is good enough to handle pretty much anything and the adreno 225 is better than geforce ulp which helps with those pixels .. also the tegra 3 seems to lag somehow.. in browsing.. when the page is loading if you scroll or pinch to zoom it lags on the prime as well as on the one x..in the rest it's the fastest..
In terms of raw power the tegra 3 is still the king. But it that what we need ?
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Ditto

why start a new thread when we have a thread about this tab already?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1523811

Soooooo many things wrong with your line of thinking.
First, quadrant measures IO of memory as well as processor speed and many other things. If you have, say class 10 memory on your device and a craptastic processor it could rate higher on quadrant than a device with class 4 memory and a extremely fast processor. Hell some roms even tweak to read extremely fast to rank very high on quadrant at the expense of everything else.
Quadrant tests mean nothing because they can be easially mutilated. If i want high quadrant its easy, if i want a fast device that does what i want, its not so easy.
next, the browser itself is what lags, not the tegra3 chip. Take the stock browser and put it in ANY other device, it will lag just as much. Its a **** browser, get one that works and then talk.
If you drive a ferrarri and say "wow this car is amazing but the windshield gets very dirty and the wipers dont clean it that well" does it mean the car is ****? No! it means you need new wipers. The same way if your browser or launcher or whatever is laggy dont complain, try a different browser and it will work better.
I swear, can we have a "UnThanks" button for some of these people? im tired of seeing these threads...

pileot said:
Soooooo many things wrong with your line of thinking.
First, quadrant measures IO of memory as well as processor speed and many other things. If you have, say class 10 memory on your device and a craptastic processor it could rate higher on quadrant than a device with class 4 memory and a extremely fast processor. Hell some roms even tweak to read extremely fast to rank very high on quadrant at the expense of everything else.
Quadrant tests mean nothing because they can be easially mutilated. If i want high quadrant its easy, if i want a fast device that does what i want, its not so easy.
next, the browser itself is what lags, not the tegra3 chip. Take the stock browser and put it in ANY other device, it will lag just as much. Its a **** browser, get one that works and then talk.
If you drive a ferrarri and say "wow this car is amazing but the windshield gets very dirty and the wipers dont clean it that well" does it mean the car is ****? No! it means you need new wipers. The same way if your browser or launcher or whatever is laggy dont complain, try a different browser and it will work better.
I swear, can we have a "UnThanks" button for some of these people? im tired of seeing these threads...
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not really...... you know the browser doesn't lag as much on my nexus....
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http://www.stuff.tv/news/phone/news-nugget/exclusive-htc-one-x-vs-htc-one-xl-%E2%80%93-tegra-3-vs-snapdragon-s4
Here read below the antutu benchmark
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Tegra 3 GPU is probably too weak to support the 1920 x 1080 display. Anandtech points this out in their iPad 3 review.

What about the S4 Pro? Is the only difference between the Pro and Non Pro the GPU?

Tegra 3 > Snapdragon S4?
Tegra 3 < Snapdragon S4?
DOES NOT MATTER
Personally I think the Tegra 3 is a better option, but that doesn't matter. They are only switching to the Snapdragon on the LTE versions and are switching to the Snapdragon because the Tegra 3 SoC doesn't support LTE. If you want LTE, you can't get Tegra 3.

ray3andrei said:
not really...... you know the browser doesn't lag as much on my nexus....
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The browser doesn't lag at all on my Prime. Not since I did a factory reset anyway.
There are a lot of things that can impact the performance or a particular app including the processor. However just because an app lags on one device and not on the other, that isn't proof that one processor is better than another. In fact that kind of comparison is practically worthless for judging the relative abilities of two different chipsets.
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Tegra 3 GPU is probably too weak to support the 1920 x 1080 display. Anandtech points this out in their iPad 3 review.
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If that were really true, it is unlikely that Asus would be using the Tegra 3 on the WiFi TF Infinity tablets.

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Tegra 3 GPU is probably too weak to support the 1920 x 1080 display. Anandtech points this out in their iPad 3 review.
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Here's the thing, anadtech, like pretty much most other tech media sites, have been taken over by apple fanboys who would say/do anything to put apple in a better light than others. Some times they would lie right through their teeth just to put apple in a better light. Some times it's more subtle.
The 32gb TFP model sells at $499. Everyone knows this. Last month, there was a review comparison of the prime versus the new ipad. The author dared to say the prime starts at like $600 and he proved it by linking to to an awefully overpriced website. When myself and several others spammed the hell out of their inbox demanding they change it, they changed it and said it was a "typo". I just find it amazing that all these mistakes and typos are always made to make apple look better.
Anyway, nowadays I don't trust anything the tech media says about the performances of apple devices versus others. They don't even try to hide their apple bias anymore.
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And I recently tried to use the ipad again. Smooth device. However, it still feels like an oversized ipod touch because everything is oversized. I'm not 80 years old. I don't need the icons to be that big.

Most reviews on YouTube do the same,all these so called tech website are been bought buy Apple...
Very sad......
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Thicker? Heavier? Shorter battery life? Pass.
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goodintentions said:
Here's the thing, anadtech, like pretty much most other tech media sites, have been taken over by apple fanboys who would say/do anything to put apple in a better light than others. Some times they would lie right through their teeth just to put apple in a better light. Some times it's more subtle.
The 32gb TFP model sells at $499. Everyone knows this. Last month, there was a review comparison of the prime versus the new ipad. The author dared to say the prime starts at like $600 and he proved it by linking to to an awefully overpriced website. When myself and several others spammed the hell out of their inbox demanding they change it, they changed it and said it was a "typo". I just find it amazing that all these mistakes and typos are always made to make apple look better.
Anyway, nowadays I don't trust anything the tech media says about the performances of apple devices versus others. They don't even try to hide their apple bias anymore.
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And I recently tried to use the ipad again. Smooth device. However, it still feels like an oversized ipod touch because everything is oversized. I'm not 80 years old. I don't need the icons to be that big.
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Anandtech liked the Prime so much they did a pre review and a redo (due to radio issues with first unit), plus collaborated with Asus on the wifi radio issues. The Tegra 3 gpu is too weak to support 1920 x 1080. Takes a lot of power and the reason the gpu is a big part of the A5X in the iPad 3. Not fanboy a issue, but a LOT of pixels to push issue. There will need to be a new gpu if the Tegra 3 is used- if users expect smooth performance.

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Anandtech liked the Prime so much they did a pre review and a redo (due to radio issues with first unit), plus collaborated with Asus on the wifi radio issues. The Tegra 3 gpu is too weak to support 1920 x 1080. Takes a lot of power and the reason the gpu is a big part of the A5X in the iPad 3. Not fanboy a issue, but a LOT of pixels to push issue. There will need to be a new gpu if the Tegra 3 is used- if users expect smooth performance.
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Ok, I'll take that I guess.
I'm just weary about tech websites nowadays. Last year, I stumbled upon an article comparing the ipad 2 to an android tablet. From start to finish, the author never even mentioned what the android tablet was. When I zoomed into the picture, I could have sworn it was one of those cheap chinese tablets that ran on android 2.2 or 1.6. This was about the time when praising the ipad got you a lot of readers because the ipad 2 had just come out.
Almost every tech review of the TF101 said typing using the docking station was annoying because the mouse pointer was jumping around too much. Get it? Not a single one of these so-called tech reviewers and experts knew the 4th button from the left top row disables the trackpad.
What I've found most interesting is the fact that for almost a year most tech reviewers just ignored the TF101 completely. There were plenty of "top 10 tablets" or "ipad killer tablets" articles. 99% of them left out the TF101 completely even though the transformer was even more popular than the xoom.
Let's go back even further. I remember when asus chairman launched the asus transformer along with several other new products. I was watching live blogs made by various "journalists". What I noticed was they were all criticizing the transformer even before they got their hands on it. I specifically remember one "journalist" writing he thought no one would be interested in a laptop-tablet hybrid.
The tech media needs to start doing some heavy self-censuring if they want me to start trusting them again. As far as I'm concern, they're a bunch of liars who would say anything to put apple above everything else.

Agreed with the fanboy bias, since there are a few major sites that prefer Apples in their diet.

comon guys lets face it: tegra 3 will get pwnd by the nextgen a15 cpu's. thats how it works , simple.
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nice mate ，cool

Another one: Note 10.1 vs. Sony Xperia Tablet

So here I am getting ready to order the note from best buy...then the new Sony tablet is announced. Will be $400 for 16gb, with sd card expansion.
Will run on tegra3 with a 6000mAh battery. It'll have a 9.4 inch screen, not sure how much smaller is that compared to 10.1 screen.
It does look very beautiful, even without the s pen....what do you guys think?
Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCooO09Vhwo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Well it doesn't have a pen.
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what do you guys think?
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I think the Teg2 Tablet S it is replacing was embarassing from a company like Sony and that this evolution of it is a better effort. I accepted the 720P display on the Note in order to get the additional features. What additional features are you getting on the Sony tablet that makes putting up with a 720P display at premium prices acceptable?

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Well it doesn't have a pen.
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No Pen, no go for me too. The pen is way too useful, no matter what the new tablets look like.

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No Pen, no go for me too. The pen is way too useful, no matter what the new tablets look like.
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Yes if you don't need a pen just get an iPad3. Without the pen the Note is just a fast tablet with an average screen. The pen is the thing.
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Get the GN 10.1. Even though I like Sony the S tablet is just a more expensive and slightly larger Nexus 7. Don't waste your time with the dumbPad3.

You should probably decide if you want any type of alternate input method. If you don't, the Note is not really a factor unless Sony build quality is as poor as Asus. Personally, after reading the TF300/TF700 problems threads, I'd give Sony a chance before buying an Asus. You could also look the Lenovo S2110 (Qualcom S4 Krait). It's very price compatible with the other tabs ($400 for 16GB, 1280x800 IPS Display).
If you are at all attracted using a pen, get the Note.

Well never mind, here is a demo of web browsing on Sony's tablet....yikes
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/29/sony-xperia-tablet-s-hands-on/

It has Tegra 3 SoC. That is a code for.. "avoid at all cost"...
Nexus 7 is the only "successful" Tegra 3 device.... but even that device has QC issue (granted, made by Asus). But in general, Tegra 3 devices in general have issues....

shinzz said:
It has Tegra 3 SoC. That is a code for.. "avoid at all cost"...
Nexus 7 is the only "successful" Tegra 3 device.... but even that device has QC issue (granted, made by Asus). But in general, Tegra 3 devices in general have issues....
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Too bad Demandarin isn't here; he'd get a kick out of me defending Teg3. I have a Teg3 One X. After its last update a week ago, it outperforms the Exynos SGS3 in Quadrant and AnTuTu (although Mali kicks GeForce’s butt in pure GPU tests, especially off-screen). With the performance boost the update improved battery life at the same time. There was initially some flickering issues from dynamic power management but they were cleaned up after the first update. Moral of the story: it's not the "chip" but what the manufacturers do with it that matters most.

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Too bad Demandarin isn't here; he'd get a kick out of me defending Teg3. I have a Teg3 One X. After its last update a week ago, it outperforms the Exynos SGS3 in Quadrant and AnTuTu (although Mali kicks GeForce’s butt in pure GPU tests, especially off-screen). With the performance boost the update improved battery life at the same time. There was initially some flickering issues from dynamic power management but they were cleaned up after the first update. Moral of the story: it's not the "chip" but what the manufacturers do with it that matters most.
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That flickering issue that you speak of... well, pretty much all Tegra 3 devices have it at some stage (also in various f/m updates... some go away, some return). That includes Nexus 7....
As for benchmarks ... too bad it doesn't translate into real world performance. Browsing in any Tegra 3 devices that I have tried (Prime, Acer A500 & 700, Toshiba tablet) has been absolute nightmare. My HP Touchpad easily outperforms all 3 of those Tegra 3 tablets....

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It has Tegra 3 SoC. That is a code for.. "avoid at all cost"...
Nexus 7 is the only "successful" Tegra 3 device.... but even that device has QC issue (granted, made by Asus). But in general, Tegra 3 devices in general have issues....
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Can't say if it's software or hardware but my Nexus 7 hangs in Dead Trigger everyone so often prompting to wait, report or close with the only real option to close and reopen it. Also, I notice the Tegra3 runs rather warm but probably because of the 40nm process. GN 10.1, on the other hand, has never hung in Dead Trigger and the Exynos runs rather cool.

Agreed...It is simple...Tegra 3 vs. Exynos ... no competition...
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It has Tegra 3 SoC. That is a code for.. "avoid at all cost"...
Nexus 7 is the only "successful" Tegra 3 device.... but even that device has QC issue (granted, made by Asus). But in general, Tegra 3 devices in general have issues....
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Hmm..
It is technically $100 cheaper, but several features lacking
1. Tegra 3 chip, which is NOT as good as the one in the infinity. Exynos chip on the Galaxy Note 10.1 is equivalent for infinity's tegra 3 chip on CPU side and for GPU side Exynos is better; hence, easily concluded CPU/GPU is inferior.
2. Memory. Standard 1GB memory, not 2GB as in Galaxy Note.
3. Standard 160 DPI screen & Smaller Screen....
4. No S-pen.
Personally I didn't care about S-pen in fact, I haven't used it since the day #1 I got the system... But still Samsung seemed to have some reason for its premium price despite lack of HD Screen i.e. better GPU, memory, and S-pen. $100 cheaper, but Xperia is inferior to infinity and galaxy note in every aspect. I just cannot believe why Sony even thought this would sell at all... They should have at least included HD display especially with smaller screen...

Sorry. Not for me. I'm very happy.

Let's not forget that it's a Sony. All of the good things you've been hearing about Sony's handset division in terms of developer friendliness do NOT apply to their tablets!

Why such a long gap for the 700 model replacement?

The only thing that kept this device from being a better device was the GPU not designed to support the 1080p for pushing anything efficiently except video.
Surprised there has not been an update yet with a better GPU and memory channel efficiency. Seems the newer Qualcomm chips woud work great if the wait is Tegra 4 mass availability, which is being allocated first to Nvidia's Shield.

I suspect the Infinity hasn't sold enough to warrant them making a new one. Their cheaper devices including the nexus 7 have done much better.

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Surprised there has not been an update yet
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The TF700 is not even one year old, and most other tablets still have crappy 1280*800 screens.
The only current device that looks interesting is the Sony Xperia Tablet Z - with a Snapdragon S4 Pro and 2 GB RAM, the same 1920*1200 screen resolution as our Infinity, thin and light, and even waterproof. No "transformer" dock though.

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I suspect the Infinity hasn't sold enough to warrant them making a new one. Their cheaper devices including the nexus 7 have done much better.
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I think you may be right. The Infinity was a bit pricey, but I don't regret for a second going for it instead of a lower-res tablet. And the Nexus 7 is a great piece of hardware, but as I was looking into a laptop replacement, it wouldn't have been a choice (too small a screen, no dock, even if there are external keyboards available).
Maybe they'll make another premium device in a year or so. With Tegra 4 or some other latest-gen SoC. And maybe I'll be wanting to upgrade then. If one were to come out right now, it would be way too soon for me

That's because the hardware isn't outdated yet.
There are only 2 or 3 other Full HD screens (1280x800 is not Full HD. 1080 and above is.) out there. Barely any competition. (Apple doesn't count.)
There are no new advancements in terms of displays (meaning the change from LCD to LED.)
There is no Tegra 4 yet.
There is no significant improvement in battery.
There are no 128GB internal drives.
There are no other dock-intergrated devices out there that aren't Asus; and the W8 versions are a step back, not forward. (you can't set it on your lap.)
There have been no extreme camera improvements to warrant a new device.
So what would a new version add? The only thing it could change would be to add another GB of RAM, a different storage because of the I/O issues, an even higher resolution which will cause even more lag, and a Snapdragon, which won't happen as Transformers have always used Tegra.
So there is nothing to really improve on; Asus isn't officially acknowledging the I/O issues.

Agreed on the Sony. I have a TF300 32gb with dock and iPad 4 128gb. The iPad is a lot faster device and better battery life (even when counting the dock), but love the emulator options and easier file transfer on the TF300.
Next tab will be 1080p Android.

I think they re-tooled for the Win8 devices for a bit as well so they probably are busy with that.

I would guess that they are waiting for Tegra 4 to enter mass production. I would love to see a Snapdragon 800 tablet though.