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(posting here because I think that GTAB users would want to know about this)
Don't get me wrong - if we can find a way to port Honeycomb, I'm all for it. If anything else, some of the apps are very nice and would be a worthy update from Froyo.
However, at this particular moment, I'm not all that thrilled with Honeycomb on the Xoom. Mainly due to SPEED. Quadrant and Nenamark scrores are definitely lower than recent mods or even stock 3991 on the GTAB, and more importantly it's actually noticeable in real-world use. Case in point: Launcher Pro. On TNT Lite 5.0.0, it's very fast - but on the Xoom, it's actually choppy. I don't have an overclocked kernel, but I shouldn't HAVE to overclock it to get the same speeds as I have on my GTAB. And Angry Birds Seasons actually slows down at times! I don't I've ever seen that on my GTAB.
My point here is that the Xoom users aren't running a speedy little OS like we thought they would be. I assume that, eventually, Honeycomb will shake out the bugs and the speed will increase, but it's NOT as fast as the GTAB or the Adam. That is actually quite disappointing, given the price point.
The hardware is very nice (ie the screen angles are better, the camera is better, the speakers are better etc.), but the software needs improvement.
so, I guess that we should get a Ipad 2 then. =) just kidding. I played around it too for a few days, I could do pretty much everything in tnt lite or vegan 7... I am also not a big fan of the look - looks very cheap and fragile compares to Ipad2. I am leaning more to ASUS transformer and the screen is stunning. I guess that I will sell it in ebay and wait for the transformer which is scheduled to release in April starting $399..
Roebeet: I just wanted to say that "THANK YOU SO MUCH" for all your work and help here. Sorry, I just sold my gtab but I am NOT leaving Android. Just try to find a good match.. it is like looking for a wife.. hahaha.
Thanks for the candid and professional assessment. We have perhaps reposed too much faith in Honeycomb without reckoning on its infancy. After all, Android 3.0 is a paradigm shift in the firmware's evolution, and such shifts only come right after a few iterations.
Makes me think that those company's launching new tablets still running Froyo may have a point...let the public get to know new hardware in a familiar milieu until the Honeycomb environment matures.
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so, I guess that we should get a Ipad 2 then. =) just kidding. I played around it too for a few days, I could do pretty much everything in tnt lite or vegan 7... I am also not a big fan of the look - looks very cheap and fragile compares to Ipad2. I am leaning more to ASUS transformer and the screen is stunning. I guess that I will sell it in ebay and wait for the transformer which is scheduled to release in April starting $399..
Roebeet: I just wanted to say that "THANK YOU SO MUCH" for all your work and help here. Sorry, I just sold my gtab but I am leaving Android. Just try to find a good match.. it is like looking for a wife.. hahaha.
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You are very welcome! I am continually humbled by the user community, here.
I am still waiting for "the next big thing" - the Xoom was practically a gift, which is why I own one. But the ASUS looks very interesting, the Elocity A10 (if they ever release it) or the upcoming stuff from Malata.
I'm guessing that this slowness problem is mainly on Honeycomb / Nividia itself, so any Honeycomb Tegra 2 tablet would be slower than a GTAB/Adam, if it were released today. I'm confident that it will eventually be corrected.
As for the iPad2, anyone else find it interesting that they sold out so fast? That's not like Apple. I'm guessing that they were planning an April release but moved it up due to the Xoom release and now they've run out of the limited stock they had. All these companies play the same games.
I used a xoom today at bestbuy for about 20 minutes, in my short time, I found it too be very fluid and it flew, and the verizon signal was very strong, it was loading websites pretty much instantly. I bet if I owned a xoom it may not feel as good, but I can wait, for honeycomb. How is the battery life on your xoom?
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I used a xoom today at bestbuy for about 20 minutes, in my short time, I found it too be very fluid and it flew, and the verizon signal was very strong, it was loading websites pretty much instantly. I bet if I owned a xoom it may not feel as good, but I can wait, for honeycomb. How is the battery life on your xoom?
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I was in the same boat when I demoed it - it felt fast and fluid in the store. But after I had it in my hand and could compare it with my GTAB, my impression changed a bit.
Of course some for of these apps (like Launcher Pro) could just be problematic on Honeycomb. But when I see Nenamark scores that are so drastically different, then I know something's up. And Quadrant, which is not all that reliable keep in mind, is clocking in at ~1900. That around the same score as the original GTAB stock used to be.
As for battery, definitely no complaints. I haven't done any hard scores, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's in the 6 to 8 hour range.
I am leaning more to ASUS transformer and the screen is stunning. I guess that I will sell it in ebay and wait for the transformer which is scheduled to release in April starting $399..
I can't agree more with on the subject of the ASUS transformer. Even after seeing the leak of Staples selling the WiFi XOOM for 599.00, I'm still holding off for the transformer. Specs looked better and I'm sure ASUS will do their best to release a bug free product. Been a huge fan of ASUS for yrs now so I may be biased...nah. They just sell a good product.
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Thanks for the candid and professional assessment. We have perhaps reposed too much faith in Honeycomb without reckoning on its infancy. After all, Android 3.0 is a paradigm shift in the firmware's evolution, and such shifts only come right after a few iterations.
Makes me think that those company's launching new tablets still running Froyo may have a point...let the public get to know new hardware in a familiar milieu until the Honeycomb environment matures.
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I think this is an important thought maybe we should remember. Honeycomb was built new for tablets/Xoom while the rest stay with Froyo or Gingerbread. We've come to expect that each new release brings improvements to our devices, while Honeycomb really is a 1.0 release for tablets.
"Honeycomb really is a 1.0 release for tablets..."
Exactly my point, and well put.
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I was in the same boat when I demoed it - it felt fast and fluid in the store. But after I had it in my hand and could compare it with my GTAB, my impression changed a bit.
Of course some for of these apps (like Launcher Pro) could just be problematic on Honeycomb. But when I see Nenamark scores that are so drastically different, then I know something's up. And Quadrant, which is not all that reliable keep in mind, is clocking in at ~1900. That around the same score as the original GTAB stock used to be.
As for battery, definitely no complaints. I haven't done any hard scores, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's in the 6 to 8 hour range.
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Roebeet - are there any tools or monitors to show what an Android system is doing? For example, are there threads that are consuming too much CPU or is the I/O system really busy for some reason ... stuff like that.
i'm not sure but did motorola put any overlays on honeycomb like they have with their android phones (cliq w/motoblur)? if there is, maybe that's whats causing it to be a tad slower.
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i'm not sure but did motorola put any overlays on honeycomb like they have with their android phones (cliq w/motoblur)? if there is, maybe that's whats causing it to be a tad slower.
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Nope, the Xoom is a pure "Google Experience" device which means it is completely vanilla Android, just like Motorola's original Droid was a "Google Experience" phone.
Video Chat and/or BT Tether?
Does Zoom have either a working Video Chat app or the ability to use a mobile phone's data service via bluetooth or tether? If yes, can either of these capabilities be copied into a future ROM for gTablet?
Not sure this post belongs in this thread but I expect to have a Honeycomb device late next week. I can post my impressions of Android 3.0 on a different tablet, if anyone is interested.
The tab is the Acer Iconia A100. I've been looking for a 7 incher that has some class, and this one looks to be it.
Honeycomb on a 7" capacitive multitouch display (1024 x 600 pixels), Tegra 2, Nvidia GeForce GPU, 5 megapixels camera, 2 Megapixels front-facing camera, 512MB RAM, 8GB internal storage, micro-SD card slot, 1080p, Dolby Mobile sound, Wi-Fi, 3G, Bluetooth 2.1, Wi-Fi N, HDMI port, mini-USB and full-sized USB port.
Very nice form factor in a sleek minimalist design, as shown here:
http://gadgetian.com/8619/acer-iconia-tab-a100-specs-price/
A friend who's visiting Shenzhen, China, saw it (it's already released there) and asked if he should bring me one. For $296? Why ask?!
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Not sure this post belongs in this thread but I expect to have a Honeycomb device late next week. I can post my impressions of Android 3.0 on a different tablet, if anyone is interested.
The tab is the Acer Iconia A100. I've been looking for a 7 incher that has some class, and this one looks to be it.
Honeycomb on a 7" capacitive multitouch display (1024 x 600 pixels), Tegra 2, Nvidia GeForce GPU, 5 megapixels camera, 2 Megapixels front-facing camera, 512MB RAM, 8GB internal storage, micro-SD card slot, 1080p, Dolby Mobile sound, Wi-Fi, 3G, Bluetooth 2.1, Wi-Fi N, HDMI port, mini-USB and full-sized USB port.
Very nice form factor in a sleek minimalist design, as shown here:
http://gadgetian.com/8619/acer-iconia-tab-a100-specs-price/
A friend who's visiting Shenzhen, China, saw it (it's already released there) and asked if he should bring me one. For $296? Why ask?!
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It's got a Tegra 2 - this device could potentially be more helpful with development efforts than a Xoom. That's assuming it actually has Honeycomb - I wonder how they managed that?
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I haven't really tested either (I don't have a data plan and I don't plan on getting one). There's no video chat OOTB, tmk.
"It's got a Tegra 2 - this device could potentially be more helpful with development efforts than a Xoom. That's assuming it actually has Honeycomb - I wonder how they managed that?"
I wondered about that myself - but apparently it does have Honeycomb out of the box. I look forward to sharing my impressions.
Pricing over in Shenzhen gives you some insight into the mark-ups we suffer in the West. Consider these prices:
LG Optimus Pad 3D Touch Screen Android 3.0 Dual-core tablet PC USD$386
Toshiba 10.1 inch 64GB Android 3.0 Tablet With Nvidia Tegra 2 USD$399
ASUS Eee Slate EP121 4GB RAM 64GB SSD Windows 7 Tablet USD$499
Asus Eee Pad Slider keyboard 3G 10.1 inch 32GB tablets USD$356
Asus Eee Pad Transformer 3G 10.1 inch 1GB RAM 64GB tablet USD$356
Asus Eee Pad MeMO 7 inch 32GB Android 3.0 Tablet 1080p playback USD$266
Asus Eee Pad MeMO 7 inch 64GB Android 3.0 Tablet 1080p playback USD$299
Motorola Xoom 10.1 inch 64GB Android 3.0 Tablet USD$380
Blackberry Playbook 7 inch 64GB SSD Tablet USD$229
HTC Flyer 7 inch 1.5GHz Android 3.0 WIFI 3G Tablet Smartphone USD$309
Maybe XDA should charter a group flight to China?
Wondering.....
I heard that Moto released an update to the Xoom, and it bumped the Quadrant scores up nearly 30%. I was wondering if the update tightened things up a bit like VS did with the GTab.
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Not sure this post belongs in this thread but I expect to have a Honeycomb device late next week. I can post my impressions of Android 3.0 on a different tablet, if anyone is interested.
The tab is the Acer Iconia A100. I've been looking for a 7 incher that has some class, and this one looks to be it.
Honeycomb on a 7" capacitive multitouch display (1024 x 600 pixels), Tegra 2, Nvidia GeForce GPU, 5 megapixels camera, 2 Megapixels front-facing camera, 512MB RAM, 8GB internal storage, micro-SD card slot, 1080p, Dolby Mobile sound, Wi-Fi, 3G, Bluetooth 2.1, Wi-Fi N, HDMI port, mini-USB and full-sized USB port.
Very nice form factor in a sleek minimalist design, as shown here:
http://gadgetian.com/8619/acer-iconia-tab-a100-specs-price/
A friend who's visiting Shenzhen, China, saw it (it's already released there) and asked if he should bring me one. For $296? Why ask?!
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Weight 470 grams
battery runtime's gonna be short...
Elocity A10 looked nice UNTIL nvidia announce Tegra3 kal-el quad core w/NEON, and improved GPU... gtab will get me by until a realistically priced Tegra3 tablet shows up... (which rules out motorola, samsung, and asus(I'm surprised with these guys as their prices are usually great on notebooks for the specs)...)
"Weight 470 grams
battery runtime's gonna be short..."
A sharp observation. Much depends on whether this thing will come to me with the 3G module in or not. (That's not clear to me). If it's running network data, I'll have to disable that service to conserve juice - as people have done with their Sprint Galaxy Tabs. We'll see!
Don't blame you for waiting out the first wave of tech in 2011. I myself will retain my Elocity A10 pre-order up to the end of March. If it doesn't arrive by then, I'm cancelling and will turn to either the LG Optimus Pad or the Asus Slider.
I was given a xoom to use for testing at work a couple of weeks ago, and been hammering at it pretty hard.
There's only one thing about the xoom that I love and get jealous about, its not the screen, or even Honeycomb, its the 10 point multi touch.
Doing anything that uses more then one input seems to work so much smother. If there was someway to upgrade that on my tab running Vegan Ginger, I think I'd be in heaven.
I think i'll be selling my TF by christmas and investing in the new Toshiba AT200.
Looks awsome.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/01/...o/?fb_ref=article&fb_source=profile_multiline
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Until they've got something to market, it still doesn't make a difference. It might look nice, but it also makes no mention of the connectivity, which is one reason the Transformer was so much better IMHO. Good luck though. Personally, I'd just wait until the next best thing after that comes out.
Why this when the Transformer 2 will be releasing this October?
This thing is no match for the TF2.
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Until they've got something to market, it still doesn't make a difference. It might look nice, but it also makes no mention of the connectivity, which is one reason the Transformer was so much better IMHO. Good luck though. Personally, I'd just wait until the next best thing after that comes out.
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microUSB
microHDMI
microSD
dual core 1.2ghz TI OMAP 4430
1gb ram
7.7mm thin
if this is Toshiba's apology for the thrive, I'll be picking it up in a heart beat.
Remember that is still a Toshiba... Hardware specs mean nothing without software that is up to date and supported. Toshiba is phenomenal at manufacturing components... Once they put them all together things don't go so well :-(
Skickat från min ASUS Eee Pad TF101
lude219 said:
microUSB
microHDMI
microSD
dual core 1.2ghz TI OMAP 4430
1gb ram
7.7mm thin
if this is Toshiba's apology for the thrive, I'll be picking it up in a heart beat.
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I still see little reason to consider this, especially if you already have a Transformer......Even more so if you have the DOCK (such as I do). I'm sure it'll be nice, but I get the feeling Toshiba will be similar to Viewsonic....they put out the hardware, and don't bother updating the software, as others have posted.
I think it really comes down to 1 thing. Everyone seems to want the same thing in the end...A Samsung Galaxy Tablet(thin, light, and well made), with the connectivity of the Transformer. If someone could do that, they would have a truly winning product for every consumer.
Connectivity usually refers to wireless communications.
Expandability is what the Transformer has - and why I chose it (along with the price). That Toshiba looks pretty nice, but without the cool functionality of the TF's dock, I see no reason to switch it up.
-bZj
Agreed, "looks" awesome. But what do you get? A thinner tablet that will surely be inferior to T2 at a much higher price point. Seems a dubious switch to me.
I want to see what the Padfone looks like before I seriously consider swapping out my T1
No dock? No interest.
All your doing is exchanging one honeycomb tablet for another.
'7.7mm thin' WOW! means absolutely nothing
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...A thinner tablet that will surely be inferior to T2 at a much higher price point. Seems a dubious switch to me...
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"Inferior" because dual-core and not quad-core? Core count is a relative measure, just like clock speed. Its all the other that really makes the difference: graphics engine, video engine, frame buffer, cache, memory management, internal bus, power consumption and management etc.
For me good multimedia support on a pad is essential, and that means video support. I knew I couldn't expect top-notch hardware assisted video decoding from the Tegra family (read Boxee story) but what Tegra 2 offers is pathetic. Congrats nVidia for such a deception and effectively keeping it a hush hush secret! I don't care if Tegra 3/4/5 is advertised as "full" 1080p decoding support, such were the words for their current chips.
This doesn't immediately mean that OMAP processors are better at hardware video decoding just because TI says so. Real life will tell. But the good point is that alternative hardware exists.
The AT200 is sure more appetizing to my taste than the future Tegra 3 based pads.
Tegra 2 can play 1080p. They never said that they will support every encoding settings on these planet...
But what was the alternative? A Galaxy Tab 7.7 with a single core A8-CPU or an iPad 2 with a 4:3 Screen and a lower DPI.
I love my Transformer but hate the limited video decoding performance of Tegra 2. But in may there was no other Tablet with another SoC for me with the same specs - 16:9(10), DualCore, 10,1" and real Tablet-OS.
Tegra 3 will have no limitations with video decoding. nVidia showed a 1440p (2560x1440) video with 40Mbit/s at MWC in Barcelona.
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Tegra 2 can play 1080p. They never said that they will support every encoding settings on these planet...
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Of course I wasn't referring to extreme encoding. You can yourself create baseline L3.1 AVC encodings that _will not_ play.
nVidia itself lists almost every known compression under "Video 1080p decode"... (http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-2.html) but as you correctly observed does not specify anywhere the limitations.
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But what was the alternative? A Galaxy Tab 7.7 with a single core A8-CPU or an iPad 2 with a 4:3 Screen and a lower DPI.
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Well the AT200 itself is a good alternative.
sontin said:
Tegra 3 will have no limitations with video decoding. nVidia showed a 1440p (2560x1440) video with 40Mbit/s at MWC in Barcelona.
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Hopefully it's not a specially prepared stream just to demonstrate "look how good we can do".
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Of course I wasn't referring to extreme encoding. You can yourself create baseline L3.1 AVC encodings that _will not_ play.
nVidia itself lists almost every known compression under "Video 1080p decode"... (http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-2.html) but as you correctly observed does not specify anywhere the limitations.
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Do you have a sample? I have three 1080p baseline trailers which playing fine.
Well the AT200 itself is a good alternative.
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Yes, but not in may.
In a few months there will be so many great Tablets with different SoCs.
Why in the hell do I care about another tablet. When I come to the TRANSFORMER forum I shouldn't have to search through this garbage in order to find info about the TRANSFORMER! Enough already!
I use the Toshiba AT-200 since 3 weeks now.
Works great.
I have just 3 questions :
1) I got sometimes some blinking of the "Date/Time/Wifi/... config panel" (the window that appears normaly when you click on the time on the bottom right of the screen) : Very annoying !
The only way i found to calm down the blinking is to Lock&delock the screen... (via the physical power button)
2) Android 3.2 is proposed natively by Toshiba. Is there a Android 4 version in developement ?
3) Am i in the right thread ? ;o)
Thanks in advance for your answers.
So here I am getting ready to order the note from best buy...then the new Sony tablet is announced. Will be $400 for 16gb, with sd card expansion.
Will run on tegra3 with a 6000mAh battery. It'll have a 9.4 inch screen, not sure how much smaller is that compared to 10.1 screen.
It does look very beautiful, even without the s pen....what do you guys think?
Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCooO09Vhwo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Well it doesn't have a pen.
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what do you guys think?
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I think the Teg2 Tablet S it is replacing was embarassing from a company like Sony and that this evolution of it is a better effort. I accepted the 720P display on the Note in order to get the additional features. What additional features are you getting on the Sony tablet that makes putting up with a 720P display at premium prices acceptable?
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Well it doesn't have a pen.
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No Pen, no go for me too. The pen is way too useful, no matter what the new tablets look like.
HasC said:
No Pen, no go for me too. The pen is way too useful, no matter what the new tablets look like.
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Yes if you don't need a pen just get an iPad3. Without the pen the Note is just a fast tablet with an average screen. The pen is the thing.
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Get the GN 10.1. Even though I like Sony the S tablet is just a more expensive and slightly larger Nexus 7. Don't waste your time with the dumbPad3.
You should probably decide if you want any type of alternate input method. If you don't, the Note is not really a factor unless Sony build quality is as poor as Asus. Personally, after reading the TF300/TF700 problems threads, I'd give Sony a chance before buying an Asus. You could also look the Lenovo S2110 (Qualcom S4 Krait). It's very price compatible with the other tabs ($400 for 16GB, 1280x800 IPS Display).
If you are at all attracted using a pen, get the Note.
Well never mind, here is a demo of web browsing on Sony's tablet....yikes
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/29/sony-xperia-tablet-s-hands-on/
It has Tegra 3 SoC. That is a code for.. "avoid at all cost"...
Nexus 7 is the only "successful" Tegra 3 device.... but even that device has QC issue (granted, made by Asus). But in general, Tegra 3 devices in general have issues....
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It has Tegra 3 SoC. That is a code for.. "avoid at all cost"...
Nexus 7 is the only "successful" Tegra 3 device.... but even that device has QC issue (granted, made by Asus). But in general, Tegra 3 devices in general have issues....
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Too bad Demandarin isn't here; he'd get a kick out of me defending Teg3. I have a Teg3 One X. After its last update a week ago, it outperforms the Exynos SGS3 in Quadrant and AnTuTu (although Mali kicks GeForce’s butt in pure GPU tests, especially off-screen). With the performance boost the update improved battery life at the same time. There was initially some flickering issues from dynamic power management but they were cleaned up after the first update. Moral of the story: it's not the "chip" but what the manufacturers do with it that matters most.
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Too bad Demandarin isn't here; he'd get a kick out of me defending Teg3. I have a Teg3 One X. After its last update a week ago, it outperforms the Exynos SGS3 in Quadrant and AnTuTu (although Mali kicks GeForce’s butt in pure GPU tests, especially off-screen). With the performance boost the update improved battery life at the same time. There was initially some flickering issues from dynamic power management but they were cleaned up after the first update. Moral of the story: it's not the "chip" but what the manufacturers do with it that matters most.
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That flickering issue that you speak of... well, pretty much all Tegra 3 devices have it at some stage (also in various f/m updates... some go away, some return). That includes Nexus 7....
As for benchmarks ... too bad it doesn't translate into real world performance. Browsing in any Tegra 3 devices that I have tried (Prime, Acer A500 & 700, Toshiba tablet) has been absolute nightmare. My HP Touchpad easily outperforms all 3 of those Tegra 3 tablets....
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It has Tegra 3 SoC. That is a code for.. "avoid at all cost"...
Nexus 7 is the only "successful" Tegra 3 device.... but even that device has QC issue (granted, made by Asus). But in general, Tegra 3 devices in general have issues....
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Can't say if it's software or hardware but my Nexus 7 hangs in Dead Trigger everyone so often prompting to wait, report or close with the only real option to close and reopen it. Also, I notice the Tegra3 runs rather warm but probably because of the 40nm process. GN 10.1, on the other hand, has never hung in Dead Trigger and the Exynos runs rather cool.
Agreed...It is simple...Tegra 3 vs. Exynos ... no competition...
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It has Tegra 3 SoC. That is a code for.. "avoid at all cost"...
Nexus 7 is the only "successful" Tegra 3 device.... but even that device has QC issue (granted, made by Asus). But in general, Tegra 3 devices in general have issues....
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Hmm..
It is technically $100 cheaper, but several features lacking
1. Tegra 3 chip, which is NOT as good as the one in the infinity. Exynos chip on the Galaxy Note 10.1 is equivalent for infinity's tegra 3 chip on CPU side and for GPU side Exynos is better; hence, easily concluded CPU/GPU is inferior.
2. Memory. Standard 1GB memory, not 2GB as in Galaxy Note.
3. Standard 160 DPI screen & Smaller Screen....
4. No S-pen.
Personally I didn't care about S-pen in fact, I haven't used it since the day #1 I got the system... But still Samsung seemed to have some reason for its premium price despite lack of HD Screen i.e. better GPU, memory, and S-pen. $100 cheaper, but Xperia is inferior to infinity and galaxy note in every aspect. I just cannot believe why Sony even thought this would sell at all... They should have at least included HD display especially with smaller screen...
Sorry. Not for me. I'm very happy.
Let's not forget that it's a Sony. All of the good things you've been hearing about Sony's handset division in terms of developer friendliness do NOT apply to their tablets!
When initially Mediapad FHD was announced, most of us said well it's Huawei. Bad reputation company... But with so many QC issue ASUS is having, I am start thinking ASUS is as good/bad as Huawei (well I actually never tried Huawei so maybe I should not say this..).
As far as the specification on paper, this unit could be equal or perhaps even superior to the Infinity.
Type
Type
Tablet
Platform
Operating System
Android 4.0
Transfer Rate
LTE Cat4 (DL 150Mbps / UL 50Mbps), DC-HSPA+ (DL 84Mbps / UL 42Mbps)
CPU
Cortex-A9 Quad 1.2GHz
Appearance
Dimension (H X W X D)
257.4 × 175.9 × 8.8mm
Weight
~580g
Display
Size
10.1-inch
Resolution
1920*1200 IPS
Camera
Camera resolution
Front: 1.3Mp (720p Video Calling); Rear: 8Mp AF (1080p Camcording), Dual LED Flash
Capacity
Memory
8 / 16 / 32 / 64GB options
RAM
1GB
Connectivity
Wi-Fi
802.11b / 802.11g / 802.11n
Bluetooth
Bluetooth 3.0
Entertainment
Video player
[email protected](MPEG-4 / H.264 / VC-1 / WMV-9), with formats of MP4 / 3GP / 3G2 / RM / RMVB / ASF / FLAC / APE / MOV etc.
Music player
MP3 / WMA / FLAC / APE / WAV / RA / Ogg / MIDI / 3GP etc.
Headphone
3.5mm stereo audio jack, 2*Stereo speaker, Build-in MIC
Location
Location
GPS/A-GPS
Sensors
Accelerometer sensor
Supported
Ambient light sensor
Supported
e-Compass
Supported
Vibrator
Supported
Battery*
Type
Li-Poly
Capacity
6600mAh
There will be attachable keyboard with extended battery option.
The key specification here is CPU/GPU. Despite slower CPU clock speed it has better GPU (at least core # wise). This is like Exynos chip that Samsung has. Simply looking at New Ipad its CPU is mere 1GHz Dual Core, but GPU is where its power is. If you look at Benchmarks Android tablet beats CPU power but GPU power is far inferior. Exynos chip on SIII and Galaxy Note 10.1 comes the closest but yet far away. But considering how stable Galaxy Note 10.1 is (even on ICS), the stability must be coming from the memory (2GB) or GPU or maybe Nand (perhaps combination of all). So if mediapad does it right, it may function better overall than the Infinity, which definitely has some bottle neck somewhere.
I am not saying the MediaPad FHD would for sure be superior, but as Infinity having so many issues, giving a try on MediaPad FHD might not be a bad idea.
*Too bad MediaPad FHD gave up on 2GB memory as originally planned.
No because:
1. Huawei doesn't get dev support, ASUS gets some.
2. 1.2 ghz vs 1.7 ghz
3. 1 GB of RAM is the same
3. Not IPS+
Yes because:
1. Questionably better quality control
Keion said:
No because:
1. Huawei doesn't get dev support, ASUS gets some.
2. 1.2 ghz vs 1.7 ghz
3. 1 GB of RAM is the same
3. Not IPS+
Yes because:
1. Questionably better quality control
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#1 is probably big on tech savy people which I guess majority of people on XDA.
#2, again I don't know much importance. Exynos on Galaxy Note 10.1 is 1.4 GHz but essentially equivalent Atuntu score and actually overall more smooth/stable than the Infinity (when infinity is performing at its peak with tweaks, I think it can match but not consistent and definitely not for everyone)
#3, I don't know why Huawei dropped this... It originally had 2GB RAM
#4. Hmm... Even with IPS+ under the direct sunlight I still had difficulty seeing and inside, I don't need IPS+, so for me IPS+ was never needed option.
Now for QC, never knows but with current QC track record of ASUS I am seeing, I cannot imagine any company could be much worse than that.
I think key Yes. here (Potential) is "16 core GPU."
But again who knows... I'm just throwing this here because I really want to have FHD tablet.... but cannot go back to Infinity until the ANR after ANR issue gets solved..
P.S. I never found Keion that interesting... but I know it is extremely highly rated anime.
HoushaSen said:
#1 is probably big on tech savy people which I guess majority of people on XDA.
#2, again I don't know much importance. Exynos on Galaxy Note 10.1 is 1.4 GHz but essentially equivalent Atuntu score and actually overall more smooth/stable than the Infinity (when infinity is performing at its peak with tweaks, I think it can match but not consistent and definitely not for everyone)
#3, I don't know why Huawei dropped this... It originally had 2GB RAM
#4. Hmm... Even with IPS+ under the direct sunlight I still had difficulty seeing and inside, I don't need IPS+, so for me IPS+ was never needed option.
Now for QC, never knows but with current QC track record of ASUS I am seeing, I cannot imagine any company could be much worse than that.
I think key Yes. here (Potential) is "16 core GPU."
But again who knows... I'm just throwing this here because I really want to have FHD tablet.... but cannot go back to Infinity until the ANR after ANR issue gets solved..
P.S. I never found Keion that interesting... but I know it is extremely highly rated anime.
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H-how dare you insult my favorite anime!
Joking aside, the main reason for instability on the infinity are the FHD screen (which the mediapad shares) and the IO issues (which the mediapad does not have).
Also wanted to add the infinity has a 12(+?) core GPU.
Keion said:
H-how dare you insult my favorite anime!
Joking aside, the main reason for instability on the infinity are the FHD screen (which the mediapad shares) and the IO issues (which the mediapad does not have).
Also wanted to add the infinity has a 12(+?) core GPU.
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I hope fhd is not the issue but it could be... if so, until next generation cpu gpu combo comes, the issue will not be solved.. infinity has 12 gpu cores and note has 16. So gl benchmark of note is the best of all android tablets still behind new iPad.
I liked bakemonogatari though.
Never heard of 'em...
no
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Not buying cheap chinese knockoff. Almost no Chinese company I knows of has the ability to perform effective QC like the Taiwanese/Japanese/American companies do.
The closest one I can think of is Lenovo and their line of computers are still a long way from the old Thinkpads of yore (the corporations who stopped using thinkpads are a clear indication of that).
Funny considering that all iPhones and iPads are made by a Chinese company.
Huawei is fast becoming one of the largest telecom companies in the world.
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clenz said:
Funny considering that all iPhones and iPads are made by a Chinese company.
Huawei is fast becoming one of the largest telecom companies in the world.
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There's a difference between manufacturing and quality control.
Well Huawei, is still quite unknown, but the latest phones were not that bad.
I just don't understand why they wait so long to release their products. For example the new quad phone was announced for April? and still nothing. Now they have to fight against s3,hox and soon Note 2 and I phone 5,which is pretty hard.
For the pad is the same. Against note 10.1, tf700 and "new", ipad-I don't really so a chance. Well prove me wrong.
Nevertheless I will take a look at it, just to compare.
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Stop spamming OP.
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Well Huawei, is still quite unknown, but the latest phones were not that bad.
I just don't understand why they wait so long to release their products. For example the new quad phone was announced for April? and still nothing. Now they have to fight against s3,hox and soon Note 2 and I phone 5,which is pretty hard.
For the pad is the same. Against note 10.1, tf700 and "new", ipad-I don't really so a chance. Well prove me wrong.
Nevertheless I will take a look at it, just to compare.
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True. But with its reputation, only way huawei can prove is when compared to more known brand. Otherwise, most would simply dismiss by saying but tf700 is coming soon... I really like fhd so hope either this or tf700 next update is the answer.
I'm thinking about the Mediapad FHD.
A combination of the lack of 3g support on the Infinity & Asus' stupid pricing in the UK means I will be looking at other options.
Actually, after returning my TF700 after a few days (freezing , light bleed, ands creen input Issues), I now think the way to go will be the new Microsoft Surface or some other Windows RT tablet , assuming they can get developers to create bunches of apps like Android and Apple (But I remember that app creation started off slow for both these platforms as well - Do you remember how few Ipda apps there were at the beginning) Hardwarewise it is a gamechanger. If you get a chance, watch the keynote video on it. I don't think QC will be an issue - I think it will be Applelike detail, but with a system that allows expandability via USB and sd, which is what I want, as well as that new keyboard. We are so close to release now that it would be a mistake to jump into another platform without at least seing what is released.
I really wanted to have Aius work for me but after 2 failed attempts (Prime and Infinity) I give up.
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I'm thinking about the Mediapad FHD.
A combination of the lack of 3g support on the Infinity & Asus' stupid pricing in the UK means I will be looking at other options.
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Well UK will get MediaPad before US so hope to see some review from there.
Actually, after returning my TF700 after a few days (freezing , light bleed, ands creen input Issues), I now think the way to go will be the new Microsoft Surface or some other Windows RT tablet , assuming they can get developers to create bunches of apps like Android and Apple (But I remember that app creation started off slow for both these platforms as well - Do you remember how few Ipda apps there were at the beginning) Hardwarewise it is a gamechanger. If you get a chance, watch the keynote video on it. I don't think QC will be an issue - I think it will be Applelike detail, but with a system that allows expandability via USB and sd, which is what I want, as well as that new keyboard. We are so close to release now that it would be a mistake to jump into another platform without at least seing what is released.
I really wanted to have Aius work for me but after 2 failed attempts (Prime and Infinity) I give up.
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Windows 8 tablet is definitely interesting player. But based on the recent IFA Berlin, I feel like their target audience is slightly different. Here is why.
Windows 8 RT
This is more of direct competition to Android Tablet & iPad. But just as you mentioned, it will likely to take sometime before app market catches up with that of iPad or Android. Both had phone background so though they weren't initially optimized, they had enough application from get go. Whereas, Windows 8 the biggest advantage (could have been) was to use all Windows software poool, which RT does not allow and instead asking programmers to create Metro specific applications. So question is how long will it be? 6 months? 1 year? No RT tablet that is announced thus far have neither FHD screen nor inductive pen capabilities i.e. lacking main selling features of Infinity or Galaxy Note 10.
My guess is by the time the Metro market matures, there will be so many more RT tablet with cheaper prices, and of course better specs. So personally, RT is a pass.
Windows 8 Pro
Samsung Ativ Smart Pro actually have phenomenal spec with FHD, pen support, and support for all windows applications. However, its battery life is mere 5 hours DVD playtime (Infinity claims 9.5 hours and in my real life use I get only 5-6 hours, so who knows what 5 hours really become). The weight is quite heavy.
At this point, I feel like if Samsung really releases P10 Android Tablet, that would be the one but given such recent release of Galaxy Note 10.1, new tablet won't probably come for at least 6 months.
Certainly interesting time for tablet.
I bought the TF101 a long time ago, and after reading about the tf700, I've come to the conclusion that Nvidia Tegra sucks. I still can't watch movies at full frame rates on my TF101. Also the whole I/O problem really annoys me. However, software wise, Asus rules. Fantastic support for the tf101. Also, from what I read Tegra 4 may change things.
I bought a Huawei U8800 about the same time as the TF101. Hardware was pretty good, especially for the price. Software (especially OS optimization and updates) was terrible to say the least.
I'm not sure which tablet I want to buy. If Asus was using a different (read: better) processor than the Tegra 3, there would be no question. But I felt kinda burned on the Tegra 2 and the I/O situation. If the mediapad is significantly cheaper, I may go that route.
Also, I don't really use custom roms and dev stuff, so I don't factor that in. However, from my experience with the U8800, China has a huge dev community, and The XDA developers are aware of it and borrow from and work with them. So you will get some decent dev community support with Huawei, not as much as with Asus though.
Hi xda,
I have small hands. I have largish hands for a female, but still too small to reach the upper left corner of my Nexus 4's screen when using it with one hand. Very annoying, since many important controls reside there; I often end up dropping the phone if I try to reach them.
It annoys me greatly that there are no Android devices with high-end specs that have a screen smaller than 4.3" All I want is a phone with Nexus 4 specs, in the body of, say, the Galaxy minis. But all I see is smaller screens with crippled hardware. The HTC One mini comes close, with 2GB of RAM (in my opinion, the needed amount for snappy performance in 4.2), but it's months dow the road with too many ifs, and I tire of waiting. I see many phones outside the US that fit my needs, but I don't see importing as a viable option, since rom support would be questionable.
As much as I dislike Apple's ecosystem, I'm about to switch back, since the iPhone is the only option that meets my needs. I recognize that the iPhone 5 has hardware commensurate to a much weaker phone on the Android side, but iOS, in my experience, is a bit less demanding. I would rather stick with Android, but handset makers do not cater to me
I'm female too, and my hands are relatively small (glove size 6/S). Yet I'm actually intending to buy a bigger phone: the 5.99" Note 3, because I find my SGS3 not big enough.
I don't know what you're doing wrong, but I can easily reach the top left corner of my screen with one hand. No, not if I keep my pinky around the phone, but if I slide it a bit, I can reach past the screen. And it's never in danger of falling out of my hand during the process.
The reason smaller phones have lesser hardware is because they don't require high-end specs: there's no point in having a 1080p screen in 4". And if your resolution is low, your hardware doesn't need to work as hard. So they put in lower-end hardware. What's the point of having and paying for high end hardware if it's never going to be used by the phone itself?
Bigger phones bigger ****
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Lol a girl in my school used to have a galaxy note 2 she had it around a few months and got rid of it... I guess she didn't like it. P.S if you're gonna drop your phone don't do it while you are lay down because it really hurts getting hit in the face with a big chunk of metal/plastic
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ShadowLea said:
The reason smaller phones have lesser hardware is because they don't require high-end specs: there's no point in having a 1080p screen in 4". And if your resolution is low, your hardware doesn't need to work as hard. So they put in lower-end hardware. What's the point of having and paying for high end hardware if it's never going to be used by the phone itself?
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I do not entirely agree. While true, a smaller screen is less demanding, the difference between a browser on 1GB of memory vs. 2GB is huge. My Galaxy Nexus before my Nexus 4 was much slower at rendering pages. I had a TF700t as well, and 1GB of memory did not sustain a comfortable experience and there was considerable lag launching and using applications.
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I do not entirely agree. While true, a smaller screen is less demanding, the difference between a browser on 1GB of memory vs. 2GB is huge. My Galaxy Nexus before my Nexus 4 was much slower at rendering pages.
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My guess is that the amount of RAM has nothing to do with page rendering, it helps with multitasking, the difference in page rendering you see is due to the raw CPU power the Nexus 4 has over the G.Nexus, not the amount of RAM, may i remind you the Nexus 4 has a S4 Pro with 4 cores @ 1.5 GHz while the G.Nexus is a TI OMAP dual core @ 1.2 GHz, not to mention the Krait cores on the S4 Pro have better performance than the A9 cores on the TI OMAP.
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My guess is that the amount of RAM has nothing to do with page rendering, it helps with multitasking, the difference in page rendering you see is due to the raw CPU power the Nexus 4 has over the G.Nexus, not the amount of RAM, may i remind you the Nexus 4 has a S4 Pro with 4 cores @ 1.5 GHz while the G.Nexus is a TI OMAP dual core @ 1.2 GHz, not to mention the Krait cores on the S4 Pro have better performance than the A9 cores on the TI OMAP.
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Ah, yeah, I realized my bad choice of words after posting, but couldn't edit for five minutes so went to do other things.
I completely get that the Nexus 4 has a better CPU. Bad example on my part.
Perhaps better though, is when I got my TF700t. That and the Nexus 4 have *somewhat* comparable CPUs, at least in terms of Ghz/Cores, correct me if I'm wrong. However, the Transformer was painful to use due to having half the RAM. Opening Chrome became a frustrating waiting game. The Galaxy Note 8 that I had for a short time, however, was much snappier. There was much less waiting for pages to become responsive.
What are the important things which reside in the upper left corner?? hmm.. never gave it a thought- pls tell!!
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Ah, yeah, I realized my bad choice of words after posting, but couldn't edit for five minutes so went to do other things.
I completely get that the Nexus 4 has a better CPU. Bad example on my part.
Perhaps better though, is when I got my TF700t. That and the Nexus 4 have *somewhat* comparable CPUs, at least in terms of Ghz/Cores, correct me if I'm wrong. However, the Transformer was painful to use due to having half the RAM. Opening Chrome became a frustrating waiting game. The Galaxy Note 8 that I had for a short time, however, was much snappier. There was much less waiting for pages to become responsive.
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Have you bothered to read even one page in the TF700 forum? Because we've made it abundantly clear that the amount of RAM is not the issue: The I/O issue is what's responsible for the lag. Flash a different ROM (Cromi-x) and the Tab is the fastest on the market.
Also, and I am getting quite tired of saying this time and time again: The Nexus 4 is 1280x768, the TF700 is 1920x1200. That's almost twice as many pixels it has to push, on a screen almost three times as big. Do the math. The N4 is pretty much a Vehron in an urban 30kph zone. Way too much power it's never going to need.
And also a small point regarding the comparison between the tf700t and the nexus 4. The nexus 4 has the s4 pro, which far and away destroys the tegra 3 because of the superior architecture. Just because both are quad core does not mean you can expect similar performance.
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