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ATT/TMO withdraw FCC merger application

Good stuff
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/69089.html

Not so much CANCELLED as the deal has been placed on Hospice Care... ie, AT&T is putting the loss of the breakup fees on their books NOW as if the deal was dead, and withdrawing the current FCC application... However it looks like they plan to reapply with a different deal.
The longer they drag this out, the longer T-Mo execs (and employees) can play the "let it rot on the vine" game, until it's an asset not worth having. Which is what AT&T wants anyway.

I actually kinda wanted this now. T-Mobile is dead on it's own. Has no plans whatsoever for LTE and DT pretty much gave up on them. So in the end I was kinda hoping for this to go through.
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Hi all i'm glad At&t is not merging with T-mobileand the hell with there bandwidth cap that spread like a virus to every isps provider. Feels like our technology went back 20 years, I might as well move back to Yemen and get a pager.

A lot of what I was reading, AT&T pulled out temporarily to stop the FCC from releasing the documents on why it feels this deal would not be good for the US consumers and thus preventing the judge that was to hear the case from seeing this, allowing them a last ditch effort to apply later with a different approach. basically they knew if the relevant information was released, they would be denied, so they stopped that to come up with different approach that may have a slightly better chance of passing, somewhat like pulling together for a Hail Mary.

Att= poor service, poor customer care.
Tmo= decent service, excellent customer care.
Im good the way it is.
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mackster248 said:
I actually kinda wanted this now. T-Mobile is dead on it's own. Has no plans whatsoever for LTE and DT pretty much gave up on them. So in the end I was kinda hoping for this to go through.
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You're crazy. Sorry
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shovelhead83 said:
Att= poor service, poor customer care.
Tmo= decent service, excellent customer care.
Im good the way it is.
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Totally agree. 100%
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shovelhead83 said:
Att= poor service, poor customer care.
Tmo= decent service, excellent customer care.
Im good the way it is.
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+1 !

The sad, unfortunate part of this whole affair is that whether the deal falls through or not, DT is adamant about wanting to get out of the US market. They don't want to continue funding their venture into this country. Even though they are making a profit here, for some reason they just simply want out.
They will sell, to AT&T or whomever the government allows them to. Although I would vastly prefer just about anyone to AT&T.

Att can go to .....well you know.
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mackster248 said:
I actually kinda wanted this now. T-Mobile is dead on it's own. Has no plans whatsoever for LTE and DT pretty much gave up on them. So in the end I was kinda hoping for this to go through.
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I'm actually fine with the fact that TMO has no plans for LTE. HSPA+ is fast enough on the mobile phone, and it doesn't come with the penalty of the huge battery drain from LTE. I'd rather have a slightly slower internet speed than a dead phone by 10AM.

Well Simple Mobile uses Tmobiles network as well as a few others.
Maybe Verizon will pick it up and start using all the bands.
Or why don't they could auction it
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Saw this, was definitely interesting. Personally, I didn't really care what happened. Thinking about it, I am actually pretty happy that it didn't go through. I have loved using T-Mobile from the start, far superior than any other choice at the moment here.

AT&T and T-Mobile only withdrew the application in order to prevent the FCC from slapping a big fat DENIED stamp on the acuisition prior to the DOJ hearing to judge whether or not the acquisition would create a merger. If the FCC had denied AT&T and T-Mobile's application the DOJ would almost certainly have won the case against the acquisition. Now, however, the plan for AT&T and T-Mobile is to go to the DOJ hearing and get cleared of anti-competitive and monopoly checks and then take their case back to the FCC with the DOJ behind them.
Hopefully some politicians will strike up against the acquisition due to this shady tactic of dodging around the FCC's disapproval, but with the current political climate and the DOJ's history with mergers and acquisitions over the past couple of years I have little hope that the customer's interests will be served and AT&T and DT will likely get their way.
I think my girlfriend put it the best way today: AT&T was afraid mommy FCC would say no to AT&T eating up T-Mobile so AT&T decided to run away from mommy and ask daddy instead. It's the old trick one parent into saying yes trick.

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/ATT-Cooking-Up-New-Plan-to-Save-TMobile-Deal-117180
You people seriously thought, they would back-off so easily?
Deal will most likely to be approved eventually. Maybe not this year but next year or so

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So I went to a few stores today that sells att phones. I asked everyone in all 5 of the stores about the upcoming Samsung Galaxy Note LTE, noone even knew about it as if it will be coming out 6 years from now -.- noone knew there was one even coming out let alone the name :/ it kind of makes me sad when the consumer knows more then the sales reps. They should train more in my opinion this was just my little experiance for the day just thought I'd share. Anyone else looking forward to the note lte for att?
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Nobody in a provider store is going to have even a small clue about phones they don't already stock, this should not be a shock. And if you're on xda you're a bit above the typical consumer...
There is basically no benefit in knowing about a phone you don't stock yet from a sales perspective. You can't sell what you don't have.
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They should for the consumer I really wish I could get hired there and be like "hey guys look at this site it will help you when a consumer comes in " Haha xD
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In-store reps definitely don't know anything. Most reps aren't like us and simply don't care. I usually come across some reps who give out good information about upcoming devices. These reps are always over the phone as they have quick access to the database. Try calling about a general question, talk to them for a bit, and when you're about to end the conversation, pop the question.
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KayxGee1 said:
In-store reps definitely don't know anything. Most reps aren't like us and simply don't care. I usually come across some reps who give out good information about upcoming devices. These reps at always over the phone as they have quick access to the database. Try calling about a general question, talk to them for a bit, and when you're about to end the conversation, pop the question.
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Ive sold phones for five years in three locations. I can tell you most of us know about phones as soon as they are rumors. As someone said earlier if we don't sell it we really don't care. To be honest if someone asked me about the note I would kinda just try to end it fast unless we were doing pre orders as asking me about a phone I cant sell isn't making me commission. If it is slow though I will talk about announced upcoming phones for quite awhile. Also most consumers walk in and say i want android or iphone not asking specifics

Bush715 said:
Ive sold phones for five years in three locations. I can tell you most of us know about phones as soon as they are rumors. As someone said earlier if we don't sell it we really don't care. To be honest if someone asked me about the note I would kinda just try to end it fast unless we were doing pre orders as asking me about a phone I cant sell isn't making me commission. If it is slow though I will talk about announced upcoming phones for quite awhile. Also most consumers walk in and say i want android or iphone not asking specifics
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That's understandable. Wouldn't it be better to actually care and inform a consumer of an upcoming device? By informing them of said device, they might wait for it and pay the $200 with the contract. I understand you want to make some money as well but I guess from a personal standpoint I would help the person that cares as much as I do.
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KayxGee1 said:
That's understandable. Wouldn't it be better to actually care and inform a consumer of an upcoming device? By informing them of said device, they might wait for it and pay the $200 with the contract. I understand you want to make some money as well but I guess from a personal standpoint I would help the person that cares as much as I do.
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If they are techie I will chat with them build rapport and leave them with a business card and an appointment only if the release isn't months away. The average consumer wants what their friend has and even if a better phone comes out tomorrow won't wait.

Bush715 said:
If they are techie I will chat with them build rapport and leave them with a business card and an appointment only if the release isn't months away. The average consumer wants what their friend has and even if a better phone comes out tomorrow won't wait.
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I see now. Well that is just fine with me.
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KayxGee1 said:
I see now. Well that is just fine with me.
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Though by far my biggest pet peeve at work is the people who say well I saw this was coming out on _________ tech site and I know all about it where is it. Most of those people end up name dropping xda. Kinda like this "well i frequently read xda and it said this and that and they tend to be just plain wrong. I know most of us on xda aren't like that but when you hear it multiple times a week you tend to want to hull smash something end rant ha

Bush715 said:
Though by far my biggest pet peeve at work is the people who say well I saw this was coming out on _________ tech site and I know all about it where is it. Most of those people end up name dropping xda. Kinda like this "well i frequently read xda and it said this and that and they tend to be just plain wrong. I know most of us on xda aren't like that but when you hear it multiple times a week you tend to want to hull smash something end rant ha
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Haha yea I understand. I never ask about a device until it's all over the internet and comfirmed by many sources. That's like calling HTC and asking about the rumored Edge.
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I even tried bestbuy lol and the guys words were "our phone tech isn't here today he will be here tomorrow from 12-6" I live 40 mins away from anything so its not in my best choice to go back but anywho I go to the same att retailer when I buy my phones. They know me there and come at me quick because I don't just come in to buy a cheap pantech crossover I'm there with cash in hand and buy phones straight up xD so they are always willing to help. When I went in to buy my Sony xperia play 4g I handed her my iPhone to Bluetooth my contacts, she looked at my iPhone and her exact words were "what the F is this" it was running wp7 xD Haha but in all seriousness I think someone should be hired in the certain area. It'd be like hiring me to sell cars or ovens when I know nothing about them, I feel like they just hire anyone :/ I went to buy a computer once and the worker argued for 30 minutes that 512mb was a gigabyte :/ I shook my head and took my business elsewhere I just don't understand... sometimes I wish everyone cared about a phone as much as we do... instead of "as long as I can listen to music watch YouTube and look at porn, I don't care what it looks like or what it does" :'( I honestly just want to teach everyone for free so I don't feel so smart and dumb at the same time. anyone else feel that way?
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phzi said:
Nobody in a provider store is going to have even a small clue about phones they don't already stock, this should not be a shock. And if you're on xda you're a bit above the typical consumer...
There is basically no benefit in knowing about a phone you don't stock yet from a sales perspective. You can't sell what you don't have.
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I agree. I've perused tablets in Best Buy and after engaging the nearest 'team member' for less than 3 minutes, I realize that I know more than they do.
It's the same experience when going to the auto parts store. There are some people who can carry on informed conversation, but 90% are the type who watch fast & furious movies in awe, and know nothing about repair or maintenance or they can only look up part numbers.
Basically, lower your expectations.

This is why I get mad when I've tried many times to get a job in those kind of places to no avail because I don't seem to have any big time qualifications to my record yet if I go into any outlet store and begin talking about phones, the sales rep looks at me like I'm making up things or shocked I know anything.

I Am Marino said:
This is why I get mad when I've tried many times to get a job in those kind of places to no avail because I don't seem to have any big time qualifications to my record yet if I go into any outlet store and begin talking about phones, the sales rep looks at me like I'm making up things or shocked I know anything.
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I have had similar experience with applying for jobs at auto parts stores. The 'now hiring' sign is displayed for several months and the staff changes about every 3 weeks, but I never get called. For a while there was an older woman who not only knew nothing about cars but she also needed help to use the computer program to look up parts.
I finally realized that these people will work for less money than I will because I actually know what I am doing. It really is sad that people with any level of technical or mechanical ability don't actually work at the retail level because they can't get enough money.
And don't get me started on the people who work at Home Depot . .

I have no past work experiance. I'm 19 years old have been the "bad" kid because I used to be a "black magic" hacker I've gotten introuble from schools best buys and targets because of it but now I'm past all that I do phones tablets anything mobile. There is never a time when I'm in best buy that I'm back in the computer/phone area and usually an older citizen is talking to a sales Rep about which one is better and the sales Rep says well product A is $1299 with 4gb ram touchscreen is way better then product B $899 8gb ram and so on but they go by the price as the sales Rep was walking her to the register I kindly walked up and said "hello ma'am I noticed you were interested in two different so-so" the sales Rep called the manager and had me kicked out for costing him the sale xD but they wont hire me? I have long hair and look like a "druggie" I don't do drugs don't have tattoos or metal on my body but yet they hire people who are clueless
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i have to say i agree not many of the people in the stores even know about the phones they have in front of them much less whats coming out.

toxicpaulution said:
... I have long hair and look like a "druggie" I don't do drugs don't have tattoos or metal on my body but yet they hire people who are clueless
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I don't mean to overstep the rules of polite conversation but you may wish to think about your image. It isn't fair that we judge based on looks, but it happens.
*Edit - When I say looks I also means assumptions that people will make of others based on their prejudices. -*End Edit
Most recently, I applied for a job repairing projectors. During the interview they kept asking me about how well I would transition to an office environment. Completely Ridiculous! I would be working in the workshop not the office and I happened to be better dressed than any of my interviewers.
Basically, some people cannot see past their little world or people they can understand.

Man Verizon store by me they don't know anything. And they are jerks as well. Went to upgrade my moms phone and said she wouldn't get unlimited data with her Droid 3 so I just bought it from newegg called up and boom she got her unlimited data. Never going back to that store again. Hate how now you have to bring phone to store to get replaced.
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toxicpaulution said:
They should for the consumer I really wish I could get hired there and be like "hey guys look at this site it will help you when a consumer comes in " Haha xD
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Frig no, we need no more non technical people. Like how not everyone is cut out for engineering or medicine, not everyone is cut out for xda.
$1 gets you a reply

I'm not saying everyone join xda but if you going to sell something atleast know alittle about the past present and the future you can't be like well I'm sorry I don't know about cars from 2011 back I only know about the 2012 Ford focus and that's all sorry can't work on you're car -.-
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Simple solution for Verizon locked bootloader

I have read countless threads on this subject that range from just bend over and take it its not that bad to I'm selling my phone as soon as I get. There is a simple way of showing our dislike of the locked bootloader. It only takes a minute and it will get Verizons attention. it's not a smack on the head with a bag of nails but it will sting the big red bully enough to eventually act.
Go to the verizon mobile web site "my verizon" click upgrade device pick any phone click quick look click read reviews click write a reveiw and the phone you currently have wille come up and ask you to write a reveiw. Give it the lowest amount of stars Most importantly be polite, factual and don't bash Verizon (save that for the XDA forums)
This is the most efficient way a few can get their point driven home in an acceptable and respectable manner. When all the phones on its web site have only 2 or 3 stars they will definately be effected. This is the most effective civil way of letting Verizon know they are doing their customers wrong.
What do you guys think?
Press thanks if you think this will help...and because it boosts my XDA cred :laugh:

Yes at this point Verizon needs a wake up call and realize out not for its they would not have food on the table. Every one of these ways people come up with help.
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you're not going to matter to Verizon. Not trying to be a **** but the amount of customers that want an unlocked bootloader is minimal compaired to their total customer base. Yes it sucks balls and i feel for you verizon guys, but there isn't much you are going to be able to do about it.
Best option would be to call their customer service and tell them you want to cancel your account and when they ask why just say you guys refuse to unlock bootloaders so i am taking my business elsewhere. With the phone being new to the market and in high demand i would just sell it on ebay or craigslist for 500 and switch to a different carrier.

When is the developer edition of the VZW SGS3 going to be available? I think a lot of people are trying to sell their VZ S3's on eBay for $549 or $600 to buy it outright from Samsung. As long as you don't take advantage of VZ's subsidized pricing on a new device you can keep your unlimited data plan when you activate it. I'm considering that option.
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mburke178 said:
you're not going to matter to Verizon. Not trying to be a **** but the amount of customers that want an unlocked bootloader is minimal compaired to their total customer base. Yes it sucks balls and i feel for you verizon guys, but there isn't much you are going to be able to do about it.
Best option would be to call their customer service and tell them you want to cancel your account and when they ask why just say you guys refuse to unlock bootloaders so i am taking my business elsewhere. With the phone being new to the market and in high demand i would just sell it on ebay or craigslist for 500 and switch to a different carrier.
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If all the phones on their site suddenly had only two or three stars trust me it will affect verizon. Phones with low amounts of ratings could be affected by just one or two bad reviews. It is the biggest impact we can make with very little time invested. Calling in returning phones and all the other ideas are also excellent just not the best bang for the buck. I plan on doing all of the above.

Jugger naut said:
If all the phones on their site suddenly had only two or three stars trust me it will affect verizon. Phones with low amounts of ratings could be affected by just one or two bad reviews. It is the biggest impact we can make with very little time invested. Calling in returning phones and all the other ideas are also excellent just not the best bang for the buck. I plan on doing all of the above.
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Anyone who is going to be researching a phone isn't going to go solely off the service providers website or at least they should be smarter than that. Also if they wanted they could easily just delete all the 1 star reviews.

You guys are no fun, either that or you are shills for Verizon LOL its always better to do nothing when done wrong or when faced with adversity
P.S. feel free to hit the donate button, gotta recoup for the hit im going to take selling my my S3 (they sould have named it the FU2). The hit I'm going to take cancelling my contract early, and a couple tubes of anal ease
(VERIZON left me a little raw) :crying::silly:

I think this is a great idea. Will it work? Maybe, maybe not, but it doesn't hurt to try. I think it's definitely worth a try.

Might as well give it a shot

I think this is a great idea! I think that not that many people give ratings anyway so even if a small number of us do it, it should have an impact. And I do think people might not read the review but they do look at the rating
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I will leave negative reviews I am not sure it will help but I I am in to make the effort. I have been getting back at them (verizon) in my own ways like running my office and most my neighborhood of some extra lines my business account has with unlimited data in 4G areas
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Well since there arent many reviews leaving a bunch of negative ones would have a pretty big impact

I think this idea is "awesome"! No it's not the one thing that's going to sway VZW's politics but hopefully one of many to curb their abuse of the consumer....
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This is a great idea
its diffidently a better idea then sitting on your azz
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Possible lawsuit against Verizon
I ride bike with two gentlemen who are members of a large law firm. Very nice guys considering they're lawyers :laugh: Had to put that in there for when they read this...hi guys!
They informed me that if Verizon does not post the negative reviews there are grounds for legal action (it took then about six paragraphs twenty minutes and a whole bunch of what I think was Latin to explain that to me but I got the jist of most of it) There are a few guidelines keep the reviews factual polite and dont bash Verizon. They offered thier services calling it "a very high profile endeavor"
They also reminded me Al Capone didn't go to jail for being a gangster he went to jail for tax evasion
Keep fighting the good fight

Jugger naut said:
I ride bike with two gentlemen who are members of a large law firm. Very nice guys considering they're lawyers :laugh: Had to put that in there for when they read this...hi guys!
They informed me that if Verizon does not post the negative reviews there are grounds for legal action (it took then about six paragraphs twenty minutes and a whole bunch of what I think was Latin to explain that to me but I got the jist of most of it) There are a few guidelines keep the reviews factual polite and dont bash Verizon. They offered thier services calling it "a very high profile endeavor"
They also reminded me Al Capone didn't go to jail for being a gangster he went to jail for tax evasion
Keep fighting the good fight
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Ah yes lawyers and hackers coming together in the search for loopholes and alternative thinking.
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im pretty sure verizon is deleting any reviews talking about the bootloader

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im pretty sure verizon is deleting any reviews talking about the bootloader
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Nails in their coffin boys!
Pour it on the more they delete the stronger our case becomes, fortunately for us their disclaimer " {} I agree with terms of service " has more loopholes than their software :good:
P.S. keep an eye open for a different disclaimer
While your still pi$$ed off about Verizon being such a bully check out these other threads....I have nothing to do with them just linked them because they are ways of venting our Big V rage.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1756483
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1774849&page=4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1771335
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1759669
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1764726
Now that you are full of pi$$ and vinegar start typing make a difference :good:
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Good idea, doing it now!

To post a review on Verizon, or not, that is the question.
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Love this quote from VZW's CFO

"Shammo said Verizon was surprised to see such a large number of subscribers with unlimited data plans have actually switched to the company’s shared offerings. “Unlimited is just a word,” he said. “It doesn’t really mean anything. … The whole unlimited thing is going by the wayside.”
So I guess that means that if I wasn't grandfathered and "shared everything", my bill for data over 10GB would be "just a number" and I could "pay anything" I wanted???
LMAO

Shammo says stupid **** like this all the time. This will probably be my last vzw phone because I don't like giving money to people that blatantly say they are trying to milk their customers and give them nothing in return after getting ****ed.

Some wealthy corporate executives can't imagine people complaining about paying more money for what they desire to charge . . . because it eventually trickles into their annual bonus pay and that's their number one focus.
- ooofest

"Shammo", sounds like that big fat whale I saw on southpark, the one they sent to the moon, hehe. Probably on the same level of intelligence, if the whale isn't actually smarter than that guy.

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"Shammo", sounds like that big fat whale I saw on southpark, the one they sent to the moon, hehe. Probably on the same level of intelligence, if the whale isn't actually smarter than that guy.
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Lmfao
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Big company man mentality. Could care less about the customer or employees. When they need a raise they just lay off a few thousand and take their money.

Verizon is shoving shared plan down our throats. I miss my unlimited data.
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I can't stand that greedy pig

I think he's right to a certain extent, everybody wants "unlimited" but 90% of people don't use over 2 or 3gbs, they just don't like having their unlimited taken away

I don't think consumers like paying more for less unlimited for 30 is a nice deal
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I think he's right to a certain extent, everybody wants "unlimited" but 90% of people don't use over 2 or 3gbs, they just don't like having their unlimited taken away
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Dead on, for me. I liked the concept of unlimited. Maybe even more, I liked the relative stability of monthly bills. I don't use much mobile data (about 2 gigs/mo.), so switching to the new plan saved me a few bucks. Still... I don't like it.
But, on the point of the thread, the comment should be embarrassing for the company and the board. The CFO, of all people, saying that the word "unlimited" is imprecise.
I'm fed up with Verizon for other reasons. How's Sprint's or T-Mobile's value?

I have 5 phones on a business account, 2 with unlimited data, 2 with 2gb a month and a feature phone. Every month when i go in to pay my bill they tell me about their new share everything plans that may be able to save me money. I just laugh, tell him I'm good and walk away.
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flash_27 said:
Verizon is shoving shared plan down our throats. I miss my unlimited data.
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Same here 2 gigs just isnt enough for anything other than the basics, if you wanted to stream a movie or netflex or football you're going to go over that limit in a heart beat.
Ive noticed the carriers starting to advertise unlimited so if enough leave maybe vzw will reconsider. maybe
And btw mr big shot shammo we didn't change because we liked your new plans we were forced to.
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Da on, for me. I liked the concept of unlimited. Maybe even more, I liked the relative stability of monthly bills. I don't use much mobile data (about 2 gigs/mo.), so switching to the new plan saved me a few bucks. Still... I don't like it.
But, on the point of the thread, the comment should be embarrassing for the company and the board. The CFO, of all people, saying that the word "unlimited" is imprecise.
I'm fed up with Verizon for other reasons. How's Sprint's or T-Mobile's value?
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Same here, i didn't use much data but if i decided to stream something at least I didn't have to worry about overages.

Well seeing as how i still have unlimited data I think its my duty to stream netflix all night long on 4g while I sleep, just to hurt his bottom line a little.
Anybody have any requests?

DertyDOH said:
I think he's right to a certain extent, everybody wants "unlimited" but 90% of people don't use over 2 or 3gbs, they just don't like having their unlimited taken away
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Just curious, did you make that statistic up?
Gs3

blestsol said:
Just curious, did you make that statistic up?
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No, its a line they always pitch you in store when they try to put you at ease about paying more for less. It is true though, the vast majority doesn't exceed their 2gb allowance therefore "unlimited" is typically just a number

If people dont use that much data theb why did they take away unlimited? Yeah, they are greedy. The old cell days were cool with all the innovation and unlimited data. Not anymore.
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Keep unlocking phones legal!!

This really is a USA thread only but all can get involved. Recently our government has ruled that unlocking phones without carrier permission is now illegal. Please sign this petition to change such law so that we can own the technology we buy!!!
http://wh.gov/yA9n
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I don't see what's so unfair about this.
This impacts people who are buying carrier-subsidized devices. This is a practice that has always benefited the carrier much more than the consumer.
This ruling shouldn't be something to get mad about directly - people should be mad about how badly they're being screwed over by subsidies in general. I think it's fair enough that if you sign up to be screwed, you get your full screwing.
Also, if you actually read the thing, it doesn't apply to used devices. This only applies to new phones bought under contract wherein you had full disclosure about the phone's state and the carrier's policy - no one should hedge their bets on being able to circumvent the terms they agreed to.

Even if you buy a phone at full price from a carrier it is still illegal to unlock it without the carriers approval. Thats my issue.
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See the problem is that they claim they are losing money on people unlocking their phones then going to another carrier. The flaw here is that they aren't losing anything, if someone cancels the contract they pay the etf, and if they don't they are still paying monthly because of the contract. Its just another scheme to hurt our money. Carriers can get in on the cell phone unlocking business and charge money to unlock their own cellphones, and there won't be anyone to compete
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this is the result of old baby boomers who do not understand or appreciate info tech but "represent us" in govt + ridiculous amounts of corporate lobby money in politics + people surprised and shocked when they realize they voluntarily screwed themselves by signing bad contracts.
that said, people are too freaked out by this. ask yourself: will you still unlock your phone even if its illegal? if course you would and so would most people. so, who cares?
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bleggy said:
this is the result of old baby boomers who do not understand or appreciate info tech but "represent us" in govt + ridiculous amounts of corporate lobby money in politics + people surprised and shocked when they realize they voluntarily screwed themselves by signing bad contracts.
that said, people are too freaked out by this. ask yourself: will you still unlock your phone even if its illegal? if course you would and so would most people. so, who cares?
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If I paid full price for my phone, I should be able to do whatever I like to it.
But the real impact is: this law kills the spirit of technology innovation.

I see this as an issue between the consumer and carrier. Stop buying phones that don't come unlocked - demand that carriers make it an option or buy used / phones sold as unlocked only.
Carriers are slowly realising that they're losing business if they don't give people the options they want - see Sprint rolling out a pre-paid service (not just the other brands they own).
If a business is screwing you, take your business to one whose terms you like. It's like pay-day loans - terrible for you, but it's your choice to do something terrible for yourself.
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If I paid full price for my phone, I should be able to do whatever I like to it.
But the real impact is: this law kills the spirit of technology innovation.
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If you buy your phone on contract, the cost of phone is almost always subsidized and you're playing by their rules. You're essentially leasing the device.
If you buy your phone at full mrsp price, then yes, you should be free to do whatever.
I dont see how this stifles tech advancements at all; I just see the creation of more underground and gray markets for unlocking services. All the bodega cellphone stores will still unlock phones for 30 bucks; they may just advertise less. Hell, they probably wont change that. Do you think cops will even care? Not where I live.
And unlocking tools/codes/apps will still be all over the internet. They may not be on the US Google Play Store anymore. Big deal.
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Exactly. Its not that big of a deal if you.have the know how. I unlocked my galaxy note 2 subsidized without my carriers permission. In 30 seconds flat to work on any carrier. I could care less what government agency cares. And care less about.any legislation anyways as i am officially branded by.my government as an outlaw anyways. I have no respect for worthless laws.
Nor do the police have any means of enforcing this at the moment anyways. And yes i know because i take the.exact same.classes that.digital forensic offocers.take.at.my.college
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I was going to make this same exact thread.
Surprised to see so little activity on this topic especially here on XDA.
I would assume 95% of XDA members phones are unlocked/hacked so this would affect us.
Doesn't matter if you don't think it will be enforced or not, you shouldn't have to worry about being prosecuted just because you want to experiment with your own phone.
We need to reject laws like these that are hostile to the consumer and show greedy corporations and politicians that we are paying attention and won't stand for this crap.

Agreed
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papi92 said:
Even if you buy a phone at full price from a carrier it is still illegal to unlock it without the carriers approval. Thats my issue.
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Okay now that's just wrong on the carrier's part because when you pay full price, you literally own the phone.
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free phones and other devices
I don't like such politics. I want devices free!!!

Too little too late?
There was a thread for this, your probably not seeing it bc no one has posted on it in 4 or 5 days. Its really sad too especially considering that this is probably the first in a line of laws to be unfairly passed that screw the consumer. To everyone overseas: not everyone wants to do something they know is technically illegal, enforced or not. The options for unlocked phones get pretty narrow if you like a certain kind of phone, and even narrower if you are tied to a particular service that has better reception in your area like say verizon like with me. I live in the middle of nowhere...lol but that's a different subject. The point is this sucks bc it takes away our options as consumers. We shouldn't have to not buy locked phones until all the carriers get the hint and safe to say that would take time. Obviously they see the wisdom in this move for them or they would not have done it. I was like the 14,000th signature on this petition and have been watching and promoting it everywhere, and sadly it looks like we have lost the needed speed to finish with 100k sigs. At this rate we will finish with about 80k give or take i figure. Not saying give up bc i wont, but everyone that is in the u.s. and understands whats involved needs to pick it up big time as this gets less media coverage. Spread the word!
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7

This big brother administration keeps ramming through laws that hurt the consumer!

If we purchase a non subsidized phone at full retail do they lower our monthly bill? Can we carrier unlock?
The answer to both is no. Funny how they get it all and we get nothing in return. Enough is enough already.
I will gladly pay full retail if I "own" my phone, no carrier lock and unlocked/s-off, and they reduce my bill accordingly.
Just remember, they use OUR airwaves, and now are abusing the legal system to hold us hostage so they can profit. Pretty sure this is not legal.
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I don't like such politics. I want devices free!!!
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Free to unlock our own phones/tablets!! :good: Totally agree!!

Yep, let's get this signed
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