http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/16/samsung-gs4-storage-complaints-response/
Not sure how much they can purge without compromising their much marketed features. The real solution is for Samsung to work with their retail partners to be more assertive in offering larger storage models.
Still, maybe possibly potentially perhaps might be good news though for the current owners of 16gb models.
One of the best option for samsung is to bring back touchwiz's native App to SD function. That was extremely useful on my S2. Sad that it was axed in the S3 and S4.
The option went due to Google removing it as a framework resource feature.
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One of the best option for samsung is to bring back touchwiz's native App to SD function. That was extremely useful on my S2. Sad that it was axed in the S3 and S4.
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or at least give us an option to install a third party app to do the same with out rooting.
Android team killed it for a few key reasons:
They hated it due to security and the fishbone effect it had to updating the framework.
Customer service cost from users not appreciating that swapped cards or using cheap ones were key reasons for their own app and OS issues.
Android team did not want it added to begin with, but fell to pressure due to low storage for earlier devices. Most of the install base for GB and earlier OS versions averaged a few GB at best. This was due to Apple securing most of the flash memory capacity for their iPhones a few years ago.
The problem now is the carriers not offering more models with more storage.
Selling just the 16gb model for the same price the 32gb model would have looks VERY good to the carrier.
I think it should be by law. If they say there is 16 gb storage. Then there are 16 gb and not 9 gb. Its fake advertisement
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I think if it's not enough storage, wait for the bigger storage devices to come out or buy a different phone. No one made it law to get an s4. I have all the apps I need and still plenty of room left. My pictures and music will go on external sd. A choice that I am happy samsung still give us.
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I think it is false advertisement if Samsung advertised it as 16GB user space/available storage. And the 16GB S4 is really 16GB as it has 16GB flash storage onboard. I don't know any Android phone that advertises the storage capacity as available capacity. Some % of the storage is always used by the OS and other stuff.
The problem with the S4 is only 16GB is available almost everywhere. And as I've read this is because Samsung want carriers/retailers to commit/order a minimum X number of phones before they accept an order. This is no problem for the 16GB as people will most likely buy the most affordable S4 available, and retailers would not risk to much by holding so many stocks for 32GB/64GB, if their 16GB is still seller very well. :|
People just have to be find excuses to talk about. My point being why didn't they talk about it when S3 and Note 2 launched. Both had similar issues.
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It's just a few GB less than other phones.
Difference with Note 2, a mere 1 GB. Yet, I have never seen people whining about that in Note 2. It's pure media BS. They need something to talk about.
Have anyone complained about HDD storage capacity as advertised? or about the space consumed by Windows? Windows easily take few times more capacity.
Do people complain that vendors are cheating you in terms of 'GB' calculation since 1834??
Your 16GB phone is not 16GB even when it's completely empty. I can guarantee that you will find that it's about just 14.9GB. And your 32GB phone is actually less than 30GB.
It's because OS calculates GB as 1024^3 bytes, whereas vendors mention capacity as 1000^3 bytes. I see nobody complaining when your 1TB HDD is actually just about 931GB drive.
I keep most of my music, maps, images and video's on SC Card an still have > 7.4 GB (80%) left on internal SD.
Apps to SD is one solution, another would be and option to remove and re-install native Samsung Apps. I have disabled most and if I was rooted I might consider getting totally rid of a most.
Is people running out of space due to installed games or because they collect a huge amount of "nice to have - never used" apps?
Devs for the i9000 resized partitions all the time. It should be easy to reduce system and cache partition sizes a lot, specially if using CM or AOSP roms, and gain back at least some 3gb. I am sure we will see this here too. All it took to go back to stock was installing a new rom with Odin using PIT.
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The contract for my HTC Desire is about to run out and I'm looking for a new phone but am really confused about which I should get. I primarily use my phone for gaming and the only thing that annoys me about my current phone is the lack of storage space for apps (even when I'm using Cyanogen).
I really like Android but I'm also quite interested in Windows phones because of the XBL integration. I'm just a bit concerned about the lack of games/apps on Windows phones at the minute. Though I suppose that will improve. When I got my Desire a couple of years ago the Android market was pretty sparse too.
I've been looking at the Galaxy S2 as a couple of people at work have got it but it looks enormous which puts me off. I think I'd quite like something around the same size as my Desire but if the S2 is really that much better for gaming I wouldn't mind going for that anyway. I imagine I'd get used to the size. I've also thought about the LG Optimus phones. Maybe the 2X?
Any thoughts?
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The contract for my HTC Desire is about to run out and I'm looking for a new phone but am really confused about which I should get. I primarily use my phone for gaming and the only thing that annoys me about my current phone is the lack of storage space for apps (even when I'm using Cyanogen).
I really like Android but I'm also quite interested in Windows phones because of the XBL integration. I'm just a bit concerned about the lack of games/apps on Windows phones at the minute. Though I suppose that will improve. When I got my Desire a couple of years ago the Android market was pretty sparse too.
I've been looking at the Galaxy S2 as a couple of people at work have got it but it looks enormous which puts me off. I think I'd quite like something around the same size as my Desire but if the S2 is really that much better for gaming I wouldn't mind going for that anyway. I imagine I'd get used to the size. I've also thought about the LG Optimus phones. Maybe the 2X?
Any thoughts?
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Depending on your carrier, I'd suggest going with a Windows Phone 7 model, the Samsung Focus, to be specific. My opinion is WP7 has better games than Android. It may not have as many, but what it has is certainly excellent. But it is still growing too. So the number of games and apps with improve over time. It also has superior apps compared to Android, with the exception being the XDA app. The Android version is superior to the WP7 version. There's a lot to love about WP7. Mainly it has superior integration of social features, messaging and communications. It is by far more convenient than Android and much more reliable. It is smoother, cleaner. faster. It doesn't require as much power to run than Android does for being low-resource hungry.
One superb feature of WP7 hardware is the GSM versions are world phones. If you have a carrier branded WP7 phone sim-unlocked, you can use it on any GSM network, 3G data as well as regular cell service. But there are unlocked versions available at reasonable prices. The Focus is available online for as little as $150 brand new. Best Buy online has them for $250.
But if you don't mind waiting a few weeks, you will be able to choose from the second generation of WP7 phones soon to be released. The Samsung Focus S will be basically the same as an SGS2 but loaded with WP7 and better specs. It's the one I'm eagerly awaiting. It will have the glorious SAMOLED+ tech in a 4.3" size.
If it is primarily gaming then I suggest an iPhone 4s.
Check on each of the OS's app stores for what games they have.
Then just go for the phone which has the most games you want.
Simple.
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If it is primarily gaming then I suggest an iPhone 4s.
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Factoring in the OP's wish for a smaller screen and i'd agree. The only Android i could suggest with a smallish screen is the Nexus S. These can be had at good prices now.
Sony Ericsson Xperia PLAY?
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I do like the look of the Xperia Play, actually. But part of me wonders if I'd be shooting myself in the foot getting that instead of one of the more powerful Androids when I'll be tied into a contract for 18-24 months.
I'm not fussed about getting an iPhone. My wife has one and I've got an iPad which I use for playing iOS games.
I do find the Windows phones intriguing but I'm scared about committing to a platform I'm not sure is going to take off properly. Android seems to be on the up and up at the minute and I just can't see Windows phones catching up. But I have to admit, I am tempted...
To be honest, Android has most of the games the iOS has, and some more, but not as much as the iOS. So if you have the iOS, it makes no sense to me for getting android, if you already have a platform with more and the same.
So why not try WP7 then?
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If you dont wan't an iPhone. Get an Android phone, check out maybe a SGSII? or Nexus S?
I was using my rogers HTC one X and was supprised to recently notice that i only have 688mb of total ram when using cpuz for android... also when i go into running apps, the sum of running and free ram space is 688mb. it should be 1gb. is mine a defective phone?
unfortunately my phone is the same, when they say 1gb, its just an estimation, you dont actually get 1000mb, you get either a bit less or a bit more i cant remember. As for how much RAM your phone is using, HTC is generally known for having very boaty software and even though sense 4.0 is supposed to be very lightweight, it doesnt seem to be :/ try getting a taskmanager app from google play, it may be able to help keep some of those pesky consuming apps closed though
Some of the 1GB is carved out for display address space and other drivers/hardware. Yes, it has 1GB, but not all of it's available to the OS for program execution, same as a desktop machine
I also have 688
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A HD screen is bound to use more graphics memory than any SD screen. The missing RAM is reserved and used by GPU.
welcome to operating systems and hardware integration 101......how else did you expect to have pretty stuff drawn on the screen? magic?
ok thanks everyone. was unsure why they don't mention that there is memory allocated for the gpu in cpuz. thought total ram should say 1gb, like on a computer. makes sense though
I have this problem too
I have a ATT HTC One X
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My friends have a HTC One X International
I think we have some problems maybe the 1.82 updates fixed it.
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why is it every time a new device comes out we have threads like this? has anyone actually researched this before they come here and fire up a thread? im guessing not.
ZOMG1111!!!1oneoneone they lied to us about ze RAMz!!!1111oneoneone
no. your phone physically has 1GB of RAM. end of story.
dont forget comparing an international one x and an att one x is completely retarded....they are DIFFERENT PHONES with DIFFERENT PROCESSORS AND GPUS.....
wtf
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unfortunately my phone is the same, when they say 1gb, its just an estimation, you dont actually get 1000mb, you get either a bit less or a bit more i cant remember. As for how much RAM your phone is using, HTC is generally known for having very boaty software and even though sense 4.0 is supposed to be very lightweight, it doesnt seem to be :/ try getting a taskmanager app from google play, it may be able to help keep some of those pesky consuming apps closed though
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Do NOT do this! If you're going to use something to manage tasks, use a manual task killer, not an automated one. You will see a loss in performance with little to no increase in battery life. There have been lots of tests done regarding this here at XDA.
Also; Why are you people so worried about using your 1gb of ram? If it's there, why not use it? Worry about memory management when you're regularly running out.
Scooby Doo and the case of the missing RAM..... To the Mystery Machine gang!!
I do find it odd that the tegra 3 version was able to keep all 1gb though. Must be a similar design to the xbox 360 where it is dynamically shared between gpu and cpu. You would think the s4 would have the same ability...
There were a thousand posts back when the captivate came out wondering the same thing about its ram. Advertised as 512mb but only ~300mb in reality. (latest roms have 387 though) In that case a bunch of ram was reserved for the GPU and 720p video encoding/decoding. Probably the same situation here as others have said.
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why is it every time a new device comes out we have threads like this? has anyone actually researched this before they come here and fire up a thread? im guessing not.
ZOMG1111!!!1oneoneone they lied to us about ze RAMz!!!1111oneoneone
no. your phone physically has 1GB of RAM. end of story.
dont forget comparing an international one x and an att one x is completely retarded....they are DIFFERENT PHONES with DIFFERENT PROCESSORS AND GPUS.....
wtf
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because some people are just technology illiterate.
let's just call this phone one xl....
yea...the phone has a 1g ram...but different gpu in design...which how the ram is used toward the gpu is assumed to be different..
if you want lte...and lil better battery life...then one xl..is ur choice...
Not necessarily a phone, but considering of tech and gadget fans on here, maybe some sort of tablet or multimedia system.
I am a little out of touch with tech these days. It used to be I would suggest an archos, but their customer service is at this point below the dirton every other company I have dealt with.
A friend is looking something under or at the
£200 pound mark,
internet/local supplier makes no difference
for a birthday present,
not fussy on size,
most likely a fan of android,
will probably play strategy games of a good caliber,
will be used for reading and book storage,
a little music,
High storage capacity or upgradable
Internet definitely, but easy to unlock for multi sim use so the option is there.
and gps probably
I know archos have a few options in this arena and budget but what others are there?
Please just throw names at me if they come to you.
Original Galaxy S series.
8thsiner said:
Not necessarily a phone, but considering of tech and gadget fans on here, maybe some sort of tablet or multimedia system.
I am a little out of touch with tech these days. It used to be I would suggest an archos, but their customer service is at this point below the dirton every other company I have dealt with.
A friend is looking something under or at the
£200 pound mark,
internet/local supplier makes no difference
for a birthday present,
not fussy on size,
most likely a fan of android,
will probably play strategy games of a good caliber,
will be used for reading and book storage,
a little music,
High storage capacity or upgradable
Internet definitely, but easy to unlock for multi sim use so the option is there.
and gps probably
I know archos have a few options in this arena and budget but what others are there?
Please just throw names at me if they come to you.
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How about a 6 weeks old Xperia S??
Samsung Galaxy S series
Go for the Samsung Galaxy S series. Very good phones.
I think you could get one the new in market tablets, "Samsung Galaxy Tab 2", below £200 in 7" screen. Just bought one in 10" screen.
larsibsen said:
Go for the Samsung Galaxy S series. Very good phones.
I think you could get one the new in market tablets, "Samsung Galaxy Tab 2", below £200 in 7" screen. Just bought one in 10" screen.
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Where are you getting this from, I can't find similar prices.
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How about a 6 weeks old Xperia S??
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For £200 - where from?
The cost would surely depends on the place you live in our planning to buy the gadgety from.
Many places locked and contracted gadgets decrease the price range and it turns out to be cheap.
At my place, everything in the market is unlocked and has no contracts. So finding a decent gadgety below 200 bucks is a hard thing to do.
If you are in USA I would suggest best buy.
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Definitely try the Xperia S!
Tablet wise
Galaxy Tab 10.1
250$ not sure what's that in your currency but it's not a bad price for a awesome tablet
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Tablet - Just hold it for the nexus tablet google I/O this week.
Multimedia - Pivos Xios DS media player.
imho, Samsung Galaxy offers the best deal. maybe a Gnote?
Why don't you try Chinese gadgets? A lot of them are priced below £200 with a lot more features than the popular brands. A lot of them have great quality. Take a look at the 4.5-inch HD phone ZOPO ZP300 Field, the qHD phone ThL W1, or the 3D phone ZOPO ZP200.
It is amazing how many people can't decipher the English language. The OP clearly asked for suggestions on a tablet, and the whole thread is full of phones.
OP, I would go for the Asus A100. It is a cheap, high performance tab with good specs.
4g!
Got an zopo zp200 very good quality for low price
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How about this?
https://play.google.com/store/devices?utm_source=ha-gdn&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=sem
OscarMike said:
Tablet - Just hold it for the nexus tablet google I/O this week.
Multimedia - Pivos Xios DS media player.
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^^^ This
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Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is best one.
I am looking at both the HOX and the Skyrocket (aka Samsung S II LTE on Rogers). From what I've read, despite having similar specs, the HOX is superior. The obvious limitation is the lack of expandability. While for *most* users this wouldn't be much of an issue (use that Dropbox space!), I have my phones loaded with tons of medical references. Right now, I have ~7 GB of apps on my old HTC Sensation 4G. So, I'd like an opinion as to whether you think the HOX is a practical choice. I'd rather take a hit on performance than sacrifice apps!
Edit: When I say ~7 GB of apps, I do mean the apk + its data, not just apks only. Also, I'm definitely rooting whatever phone I get. I'm using AOKP on my Sensation right now and will probably do the same with the new one.
I have the skyrocket and the hoxl my skyrocket is half the phone the hoxl is if u need storage can't u get a 32gb version of hoxl?
My skyrocket has screen blobs on it and the sticky power button issue so ya two hardware problems on one phone bad deal get the hoxl and don't look back.
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I have the skyrocket and the hoxl my skyrocket is half the phone the hoxl is if u need storage can't u get a 32gb version of hoxl?
My skyrocket has screen blobs on it and the sticky power button issue so ya two hardware problems on one phone bad deal get the hoxl and don't look back.
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Rogers doesn't carry the 32 GB version, and I can't afford to buy one elsewhere.
This doesn't answer my question, though. As I said, I'd rather suffer some small annoyances than be unable to keep my vital references!
It's all up to you man... If the space is really that much of a bother get the skyrocket end of story
I have about 5gig of app w/data, but I don't store music and photos. I use Pandora and transfer photos to pc regularly. Have about 8 gigs extra space after my backup of Rom and downloads.
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box of kittens, the point is that I don't know if space will be that much of a bother! That's why I'm asking for some opinions!
Thanks, rdannar!
Any others willing to share their experience?
Here's what you have to work with on this phone. You can determine if it's enough for you.
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box of kittens, the point is that I don't know if space will be that much of a bother! That's why I'm asking for some opinions!
Thanks, rdannar!
Any others willing to share their experience?
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only you know what you can/can't live without. if your medical stuff requires more space than the phone has and you can't afford the 32gb version, then your decision has been made for you. I came to the HOX from Sensation and have managed just fine, but we all have different needs I guess.....
One thing about that picture I posted, I'm pretty sure 4 gbytes is taken up by "other" in the apps partition... Its reserved so you can't use it.
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You get about 2gb for apps 10gb for storage and yea about 4gb for system stuff you can't really use.View attachment 1718684
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Has anyone experienced memory shortage issues on either the 16Gb model or the 32Gb model.
If so why ?
I really am interested in buying this device but I am a bit worried about not having the the slot for the external SD card.
I have only found one person that had memory shortage problems but it was only due to an enormous number (in Gbs) of songs.
I am a bit worried about the ever increasing number of Gbs that are used up by the OS, and how this will effect the available data memory over a long period of time.
Thanks for any info.
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I have the 32GB one, and I still have 18.28GB free (I haven't transferred my nandroid backups yet ~5.5GB). I have all the apps I need, and no music or movies. (Spotify, and Amazon for those needs).
The weight of pure Kit-Kat is quite small, so a lot of the space is available to use versus the S4.
Thanks, exactly what I was looking for. My worries stem also from the recent S5 which sport a whooping 8Gb of OS !!! So a 16Gb device would not be worth buying without a slot. The OS footprint in the Nexus is in fact small by comparison.
Thanks again.
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I have the 16 GB version. I have to transfer my nandroid backups off immediately and only keep 1 titanium backup history. I have to put my bigger games on USB stick.
I have no locally stored music or video although my streaming apps do cache
Edit. I do try to keep 3-4 GB free though.... to ensure I have enough space to download files and take backups should I need.
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Gipiv said:
Thanks, exactly what I was looking for. My worries stem also from the recent S5 which sport a whooping 8Gb of OS !!! So a 16Gb device would not be worth buying without a slot. The OS footprint in the Nexus is in fact small by comparison.
Thanks again.
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That is understandable, I was just reading an article about the S5 also. It's crazy that they don't move 80% of those apps to the Play Store and shrink the ROM by 3+ GB... Anyways, you're welcome! Glad I could help
O the beauty of samsung's "touchwiz" ;|
Thanks !
So substantially you're not particularly worried about having memory shortage issue ?
In hindsight would you have bought the 32Gb version?
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Totally depends on the user's needs I must say. If you use your phone for entertainment purposes and play a lot of games, then the 32 GB will be your best bet.
I like keeping family, friends pics on my phone (However, I do keep a backup on my laptop), so the 16gb isn't sufficient for me. Besides that, the difference in price between the 16 and 32 gig models isn't that much.
Gipiv said:
Has anyone experienced memory shortage issues on either the 16Gb model or the 32Gb model.
If so why ?...
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I bought the 16GB version but also bought a Meenova OTG micoSDcard reader. It's so compact that I easily carry 32GB of extra storage around with me available for my Nexus 5 at a moments notice. Assuming you own a micoSDcard the Meenova reader only cost around $13 with shipping varying per country. I'm in Canada so the whole expenditure was $17. The Meenova can handle up to a 64GB card.
See:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=50540985&postcount=60
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I bought the 16GB version but also bought a Meenova OTG micoSDcard reader. It's so compact that I easily carry 32GB of extra storage around with me available for my Nexus 5 at a moments notice. Assuming you own a micoSDcard the Meenova reader only cost around $13 with shipping varying per country. I'm in Canada so the whole expenditure was $17. The Meenova can handle up to a 64GB card.
See:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=50540985&postcount=60
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That looks toooo goood!!!
Thanks. This helps a great deal. I agree with the difference not being much, so it would make more sense to get the 32Gb version.
It' s pretty cool that there doesn't seem to much of an issue with not having an extra memory slot.
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Totally depends on the user's needs I must say. If you use your phone for entertainment purposes and play a lot of games, then the 32 GB will be your best bet.
I like keeping family, friends pics on my phone (However, I do keep a backup on my laptop), so the 16gb isn't sufficient for me. Besides that, the difference in price between the 16 and 32 gig models isn't that much.
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Thanks.
I've heard about the Meenova and it seems to be quite the "problem" (I beginning to think there isn't one) solver. Thanks for sharing. I think I'll be getting one once I order the Nexus.
3DSammy said:
I bought the 16GB version but also bought a Meenova OTG micoSDcard reader. It's so compact that I easily carry 32GB of extra storage around with me available for my Nexus 5 at a moments notice. Assuming you own a micoSDcard the Meenova reader only cost around $13 with shipping varying per country. I'm in Canada so the whole expenditure was $17. The Meenova can handle up to a 64GB card.
See:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=50540985&postcount=60
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Gipiv said:
Thanks. This helps a great deal. I agree with the difference not being much, so it would make more sense to get the 32Gb version.
It' s pretty cool that there doesn't seem to much of an issue with not having an extra memory slot.
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Yes, it sure is!
I also came across this mini card reader, it costs just $12!! Memory card support is upto 64 gig.
https://shopmeenova.appspot.com/st/order.html
I'm thinking of buying it as it will be really helpful to load stuff when we are on the go...
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Gipiv said:
Thanks.
I've heard about the Meenova and it seems to be quite the "problem" (I beginning to think there isn't one) solver. Thanks for sharing. I think I'll be getting one once I order the Nexus.
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Of course with App data If you like games, you're going to need root to move that data to external storage
It really does look good !
vin4yak said:
That looks toooo goood!!!
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OTG storage can be a hit to the battery as well. If you have the option, get the 32Gb version. $50 for fast Nand built in is worth it.
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Thanks for the advice ! The 32Gb really does make sense.
bblzd said:
OTG storage can be a hit to the battery as well. If you have the option, get the 32Gb version. $50 for fast Nand built in is worth it.
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