Opinions on removable battery importance? - General Topics

I have read so many reviews regarding the HTC One and Galaxy S4 my head is spinning. I think both are great phones but the thing that stands out for me is the removable battery for the S4.
I doubt most reviewers/editors actually use these devices for 2 years (normal contract) to actually experience a decline in battery life so I was hoping I could get some opinions from you guys on the subject.
My last few smart phones have always experienced some kind of degraded battery over time. Whether that is a few hours of life versus the new original battery or the battery is totally dead and causing random reboots and bulging to show issues with the cells.
Due to these past experiences having the ability to replace a battery over the phones life time is not a want but a need.
The ideal situation would be for phones that do not have a removable battery to warranty it for the normal contract span of two years. Or for battery tech to progress to a point where this is no longer a concern.
What have your experiences been? Do you agree or do you think in the last couple years they have made leaps and bounds in battery reliability? I currently have a GS2 so I'm a couple generations behind but I have not seen anything mentioning new battery tech in the latest devices. Thanks.

In my experience 3 different HTC desires and my old nexus one from 2-3 years old still had at least 3/4 of their original battery life. I traded the nexus for a desire HD and it needs a new battery, vibrator motor, and USB port (dishonest seller) so I've found many can go a few years on an original battery but usage habits can effect that too.
Non replaceable batteries are still replaceable so if u want to keep it a long time its probably not a huge deal to open it up and replace.
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Need some personal input :)

Hey guys! I might be getting this phone, need some input from first person users!
Firstly, i can get one of these for approx 300-400 and its about the same price as what a lot of people are asking for the Samsung Galaxy S 2 (SGH-T989) i find this to be rediculous. Every review ive read/watched raved about the One S. Well i want some personal input i personally think its worth buying the one S at that price then the SGS2 at the same price. But i have a couple concerns with HTC......
Ive had two HTC phones
HTC Touch Pro 2 (RhodiumW)
HTC HD2
And the HD2 gets HORRIBLE service where my TP2 got plenty of service both on T-Mobile..
So im hoping its just my HD2 and not HTC's in general. However i have had someone with the HD7 say he loses service when holding the device. I know the HD2 and HD7 both have the antenneas in the bottom of the device. (Dumb if you ask me) hows the HTC One S with this situation? Does it still get great service while holding it? Like my HD2 could have full bars, but if i begin to use it it goes to NO service -.-
Thanks all for your input!
The One S of a great device,great build quality, nice feel in the hand, excellent camera, but I had several issues that led me to switch to my current GS3. With my time with the One S, I encountered random signal loss, & poor battery life. I would use the data network & it would drop from full bars to none then climb to 2 then back full. As for battery life I would get 2 & half hours of screen on time. What I disliked the most the pitiful 9.93GB of storage. & that is my two cents.
AttachedSilver said:
The One S of a great device,great build quality, nice feel in the hand, excellent camera, but I had several issues that led me to switch to my current GS3. With my time with the One S, I encountered random signal loss, & poor battery life. I would use the data network & it would drop from full bars to none then climb to 2 then back full. As for battery life I would get 2 & half hours of screen on time. What I disliked the most the pitiful 9.93GB of storage. & that is my two cents.
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Well the signal loss seems due to software not hardware (A plus for me) and i dont think any phone will get decent battery life without an extended battery. lI dont judge phones by battery life anymore. lol. My HD2 has a 1250 Mah battery xD
elesbb said:
Well the signal loss seems due to software not hardware (A plus for me) and i dont think any phone will get decent battery life without an extended battery. lI dont judge phones by battery life anymore. lol. My HD2 has a 1250 Mah battery xD
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My GS3 has solid signal, & it's 2100 mah battery runs great all day if you don't mind the limited space and "decent" battery life then go for it, it is the slimmest of phones I've owned plus it has a sweet camera

battery issue is not an issue

Why people buy phones with disgustingly crap batteries? Because manufacturers make them and people just accept it?
I am sick of hearing about phones weights differences in few grams, (our phone is thinner by 1 mm!!! -how sad) , about screens quality, about processors speeds, etc, and on.. Just because this is where all attention is?
What is use of it all if then users have to carry chargers wherever they go, they have to disable network modes, tweak performance, buy and run monitoring softwear, a lots of hassle JUST BECAUSE those manufacturers are jerks! Like there is problem to give proper large battery option to chose and we will see how market reacts?
I got phone from China with larger battery than you can get on any European market and I am finally happy, I don't worry about anything anymore.
On purpose I set everything to look nice, bright, run fast and never worry about any tweaks unless I suspect unhappiness from performance being somehow compromised, I do play games, I do use internet, I do stream and do other things without fear of not having more power for a call I may need to make. At end of day I have still 50% which will last next day easily.
BATTERY IS CRUCIAL PART OF THE PHONE. MUST NOT BE REDUCED IN PERFORMANCE IN ANY WAY (reducing size).
This is why we have smartphones to do many things quickly at any time instead switch all those cool features off, like everyday life was emergency situation for saving battery -ON DAILY BASIS?
P.S. some brands thinks I will carry second battery with me like I have a pocket and good will to open my phone and swap batteries??? really??? or taking ugly external USB-battery, swinging on cable while I am using my phone or looking ugly like second half of nadset to damage my USB socket with a time and have a patience to keep it charged -like a second device?
How ridiculous...
No matter how big batteries are, they will ALWAYS fall short for some people. There is no way around it.
The stock batteries in most phones are good enough for average users. You're not one and that's okay - but that's why there are choices.
The SG3 stock battery lasts me the day about 6/7 times - I only feel pinched the day I have a large break and might want to watch video or play games for an extended period of time.
I had options. I could have gotten an extended battery - no swapping, just bigger phone just like you clamp to want. This is available without having to get a phone that may not have good developer support.
You deride external chargers and spares, but you need to chill and realise that different people have different needs and that's why choice is good.
I like having spares. Opening my phone up and changing takes only seconds and I can them in my pocket or bag and I can charge a battery while using a different one. I hardly ever plug the phone itself in any more.
External chargers can power multiple devices and have HUGE capacities compared to even very large extended batteries.
There are so many choices at I don't tnk this is a big/any issue. No battery will be big enough for everyone unless perhaps the technology is completely revolutionised beyond what it is capable of today.
So yeah. Battery issue is not an issue.
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Putting in larger batteries makes the phone in turn bigger and heavier.
That's why they probably limit it as people prefer thinner and lighter phones!
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LIFE!
IT'S WHAT YOU MAKE OUT OF IT!
I'm satisfied with the battery life of my s3. I take it for granted that i need to use a charger if i continouisly use it. I wouldn't want my device to be even bigger, left alone to weigh anymore than it does already....
Frankly, if the average (read: majority) user had such a problem with battery life more companies would invest a lot more on battery research.
I could've used a more battery friendly ROM on my phone and have it last days on my 1700mAh battery, but I don't bother because at the end of most days I'm left with something above 20%.
I have three spares I never use plus the three year old stock battery, and I've not really ever needed them.
I'm also not really a big fan of "perfection", which for example is why I'm not an iOS user.
Perfection is synonymous with boring in the tech world, and battery constraints actually demands something from the phone designers.
That demand holds more value than most can imagine.
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I carry no bag
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mostly phones are quite light and 10-20g extra wouldn't be a noticeable difference. not importantly noticeable.
the only mobile phone I had in my life with no battery disappointments was nokia 15 years ago. all phones since they support 3g, failed me.
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New technology has higher power requirements. It's not fair to compare phones today to one's from 15 years ago - I mean, dude, back then it's not like you were doing anything other than calls on that thing - certainly no streaming or anything.
I only have a bag on school days - but I have pockets. And really, it's not about either of us - it's about choices and everyone else. Plenty of people Do have bags or briefcases or something every day. You can't just think of your own habits.
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My phone has 1.5W (pick) consumption with 3" screen
I just bought a 58WH portable power http://www.mrbattery.com.tw/product_detail.php?pid=MBP0001023
It's able to let my brightness100% and CPU stick on 1.6GHz for 3 days and nights!
I own a HTC Desire hd previously. That phone battery life was totally horrible. I had to carry a portable charger everywhere. In comparison, s3's battery life is beyond excellent. (Note: I disabled most of the power drawing apps/functions.)
With that being said, having a large capacity battery is one of the main thing I look out for when buying a phone.
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We're kind of at the end of the rope concerning battery capacity. There are just no easy ways to store a lot of energy in a small place. If we were able to build batteries with higher capacities in reasonable formats, we would already have them. Every new advance in battery technology only adds a small percentage of capacity or lengthens its usable service life somewhat.
But I do agree that the phones are now at a comfortable size, battery life should not be sacrificed for thinner phones. I bought the extended battery for my S II, it only makes the phone a 3 mm thicker, but that does add 20% of battery life. IMO they should have released the phone like that, but then they would have not been able to market it as the thinnest phone.

Polarcell battery?

I am running an unofficial CM 10.1 ROM on my DHD and with 'slight' use I can probably get a full day out of the battery. Prior to the CM 10.1 ROM I was running a custom rooted ROM based on the final official android 2.3 ROM from HTC and I remember the battery lasting much longer (over 12-months ago). I won't be moving back to Gingerbread but want to improve my battery life and have seen good reports of the PolarCell batteries
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390392597069?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Has anyone replaced their stock battery with one of these? Any comments?
Andy
Would be interested in knowing this also. Dont suppose you took the plunge and bought one?
Hi guys
I would be interested too on this question, or another battery brand.
Only want that someone with experience tell us if possible which battery and what brand/model is the best nowadays to buy to our great Desire HD?
And if you can post the link where to buy and maybe some buyer reviews, would be wonderfully.
Because are too many "Fake" vendors nowadays.
But for some questions that I asked to other few members and one recognized developer, they said that one of best batteries are:
First - Oem
Second - Mugen
Third - Anker
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That PolarCell I never heard do not know =S
Cheers
I guess dhd battery is a pain in the a** for everybody, I suggest you to go for sensation xe, evo 3d type batteries. There are plenty of ways to do it (with battery door or without) I was personally using without battery door because I was already using silicon cover for all phone. Btw you need to apply a small copper wire for external wireless antenna which is already built-in with your original battery door. Search for thread in this section you will find Evo3d battery thread. I have changed to HOX but still my wife is using my beloved DHD with 1950mah Mugen. Believe me it gives equal amount of satisfaction for this money. If you don't want to spend that amount, go for original Amaze 4g battery (which has the highest capacity when compare with evo 3d if I don't remember wrong) still you will be satisfied with battery life.
Please don't ask me, which rom am I using or how is battery life. It depends on people and how they are using.
I can give several examples, heavy usage with all the time 3g, bluetooth, mail sync, whatsapp, viber, browsing, auto brightness but no games and no wireless: it will handle 1.5 day.
or
Moderate usage, all the time mobile network on, a bit whatsapp, several regular calls, a bit browsing, no gaming and wireless off. My wife can easily manage for 2.5 days.
One more thing, if you will have 1950 mugen, your battery will stuck at %15, don't panic it will stay there for at least several hours (according to your usage ofc). Its some kind of a bug. I don't know if somebody found a solution.
I hope, my reply will enlighten you a bit Cheers!
Been using a Polarcell since october 2012 from the manufacturer CellePhone: (http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B004I227RK)
New, it lasts the same as the original for me, that means about 3 hours of screen on with about the 70% of the total battery time, automatic brightness but mainly outdoors, so I bet that the auto brightness is actually full brightness the most part of the time, using 3G and no "data sync demanding apps running in background" except whatsapp and the usual google services.
I use to charge the battery every night while I sleep and even though I'm aware that overcharging a long time is harmful I use to let it charge until I wake the next morning.
With this usage schema, I'm facing today a 20% loss approximately, because the battery skips from 80% to 100% when charging.
So is more than a year of usage, around 400 charge cycles, and for 10€ is a good investment for me.
Being from a german company inspires more confidence than chinese clones.
Hope this helps to all of you folks!
A friend of mine picked one up and he had nothing but good things to say. I'll update this post once he replies to my text for exact details!
Bought one a few days ago from http://www.ebay.de/usr/wannsee-electronic (Germany).
The one i bought is for HTC Sensation, sold as 1800 mAh. To fit in DHD i remove the "film" and im surprising to see that on the aluminiumcase of the accu is written 1700 mAh.
Contact the merchant today and wait for an answer. So I didn't know it depends on Polarcell or the reseller...
I just got one myself for Desire S, it is a 1600mAh battery. Been using it for 3 days and I'm quite satisfied with this product.. I also bought one Anker battery for Desire HD....
I can't really compare those cuz its on a different device and different ROM. But I feel that both are doing fine for now..... You can give it a try.
Btw, Anker battery comes with full package, it comes with a box and manual.... The polarcell that I received just comes with a battery with no box, nothing else..
Maybe I would suggest you to get Anker.
Don't forget to use Battery Monitor Widget to see if its actualy a good battery.
I got one today for my old DHD.After couple days of usage I'll post and my opinions.
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I'm very satisfy from this battery.After couple charges for 12 hours each now my battery seems very stable. I'm running 30 hours and more with enabled 3g all the time.30-40 minutes calls including viber and 2 hours and a half display on.I think that this is a very gods result for this product.....cost 13€ .
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A thought on battery life

I thought I'd post this after trying numerous Roms and finding that battery life was getting worse. I went to Batteries+ (a chain that sells all sorts of batteries) and replaced my battery a few days ago. I can honestly say that my battery life on ANY ROM is now 14-20+ hours.
With our s3's approaching the 2 year mark it seems that the stock battery is nearing its life span. But with a new battery this phone is working perfectly. Just thought I'd share my experience.
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As a chef, I'll offer you this thought: it's the man, not the pan.
Each ROM has its quirks. Same with kernels. Same with carriers. It's how you let them operate. Work with your settings, assess your app permissions, you can always make it better. As tempting as it is to pick the low hanging fruit, it's often times not the hardware, but the manipulation of software or lack thereof. I've seen a lot of people complain about lag/drain/freezes/storage while they are running at least one 3rd party app for each individual task.... or even task killers/managers! To me, those are useless, and only contribute to the issues... Android is beautiful because it's designed to run without the need for all the extra noise.
I digress.
I appreciate the feedback. Eventually an electronic device is going to need a new battery and no amount of rom/app manipulate is going to improve battery life after a certain amount of time. For those that have noticed extreme drops, such as myself, a new battery is a lower cost option that breathes new life into an "older" phone. As I mentioned I'm experiencing nearly triple the run time as compared to my stock battery. Worth looking into in my opinion.
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After extensive use the battery will drain a lot faster then when you first bought the phone. I had the s 3 for close to 2 years and the battery life is still pretty solid just not like it was when I first bought the phone.
Back to 4.1
I've tried various 4.3 and 4.4.x roms and I keep going back to Cleanrom 7 due to battery life. I guess I am stuck with 4.1 until the ohone is EOL.
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After extensive use the battery will drain a lot faster then when you first bought the phone. I had the s 3 for close to 2 years and the battery life is still pretty solid just not like it was when I first bought the phone.
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You'll experience this with any battery-dependent device. Batteries wear out. After two years, you'd probably be surprised how much longer a new battery would last.
Here's my thought on battery life.
The OTA 4.3 upgrade is killing it. Battery life was great on 4.1. Wish I would have rooted so I could have shut down the OTA upgrade app.
My GS3 is practically brand new, so I can't blame it on an old battery. Got it for .97 cents on Black Friday back in November. Even better is that Walmart gave me a $100 gift card to take it off their hands for .97.
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You'll experience this with any battery-dependent device. Batteries wear out. After two years, you'd probably be surprised how much longer a new battery would last.
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Well it is pointless to get a new battery when I am due for an upgrade in a few months.
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Well it is pointless to get a new battery when I am due for an upgrade in a few months.
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It is a lot cheaper to get a new battery than upgrade! I am beyond happy with my S3 and will be looking for a battery when I hit my 18-24 months with the device.
Of course, I am also running my grandfathered unlimited data so I buy my phones used or outright anyway.
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It is a lot cheaper to get a new battery than upgrade! I am beyond happy with my S3 and will be looking for a battery when I hit my 18-24 months with the device.
Of course, I am also running my grandfathered unlimited data so I buy my phones used or outright anyway.
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So what is your point? I am not buying a new battery for a phone that i already had for 21 months(bought it in 2012) and only going to keep for 3 more months. Yeah it is cheaper to get a new battery but it doesn't make sense if I am going to upgrade to a new phone anyway. Now I have an extra battery that I can't use. That is like upgrading a graphics card to a 5 year old computer knowing that you are going to buy a new computer that is better then the old one. Lastly why wait 18 months to get a new battery when you can upgrade to a better battery(2300mah as oppose to the original 2100mah battery) that is compatible with the S3 now on Amazon and other sites that sell smartphone batteries.

Battery Technology and Battery Degradation

Lithium Ion battery technology, I am pretty sure most people on this forum have a love/hate relationship with it. However, I am hoping that some more knowledgable members of this forum would be able to assist me on this topic.
My current phone is an htc one m7 which was purchased new in September of 2013 (roughly a year and a half old). As of recently I have noticed major drops in battery percentages while the phone is discharging, something very visible on lollipops battery graph. I chalked this up to the death of the cell in my phones battery and their inability to hold the charge as they once did. To be sure of this I recalibrated my phones battery and while this did not improve battery life it has at least made the battery % indicator more reliable.
From what I have read lithium ion has about 500 charge cycles or normally 2 years or so of cell phone use. Obviously my phone seems to fit on the lower end of that median unfortunately. I was already contemplating updating to the new m9 being released this coming March however it seems I am more being forced to upgrade now rather than it being optional. This now leads me to my question:
With the newer generations of phones featuring bigger batteries and more power efficient components will this improve the overall longevity of cell phone batteries or will they still be limited to the 2 year (or in my case less than 2 year) lifespan? This is a major concern for my phone purchase in the coming weeks as I dont want to be in the same perdicement again. As much as I love HTC and have replaced a couple iphone batteries in my day HTC phones are notoriously horrible to take apart and I may opt against them for my new purchase even though Im a raving fan of what I have seen from the m9 leaks so far. Any help with my question or general battery technology knowledge would be of great assistance!
Also I forgot to mention my phone currently gets about 6hrs to 6.5hrs of usage on a charge. Running the newest lollipop liquidsmooth and a custom kernel. Cpu is undervolted and running smartassv2 and noop, furthermore I keep brightness as low as possible and have things such as bluetooth and nfc off. Please note 6 to 6.5hrs is if Im connected to wifi for most of the day if im running on 4gLTE Im lucky to get 4 to 5hrs before it dies.
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