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Enough tablet apps...?

how come there aren't alot of tablet apps? How difficult is it to upscale or modify the app to be tablet native? (not being sarcastic)

kanyewest said:
how come there aren't alot of tablet apps? How difficult is it to upscale or modify the app to be tablet native? (not being sarcastic)
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Not all the devs have xooms yet,
Wait till IO and we will see a bunch of new and existing apps for honeycomb

If you download Spare Parts and disable compatibility mode it will full scale the apps that are fixed to phone dimensions

Most of the time, its not as simple as the developer getting a new SDK and rebuilding with it. New SDK's cause new bugs and new instabilities.
They have to remake all new art work for larger screens and high resolutions so that takes time.
And the Android Tablets aren't exactly "readily available" like Android phones are. Guys who are coding at home on weekends may not have the cash to pick one up right now. (That accounts for a lot of apps) Big companies also want to see how the market reacts to tablets before they invest in development of software for one when the entire market could flop (Doubtful, but not without its risk).

I'm an android developer in my day job and I promise you, if you want apps that really take advantage of honeycomb they have to be rebuilt from the ground up in the interface department at least. There are some exceptions but on the whole...
Be patient and the updates will come.
I'm even working on a couple of apps at home specially for the XOOM.
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

Since this is the first tablet that dropped with Honeycomb, it might be a bit for everyone to catch up. The same thing happened when Windows computers went from XP to Win 7 OS. It took a bit for the software developers to remake newer versions.

Its strange that we dont even see support (right now) for big companies like facebook or twitter. or even some other google apps dont have that support yet.

jerses said:
Its strange that we dont even see support (right now) for big companies like facebook or twitter. or even some other google apps dont have that support yet.
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I'm guessing Google hasn't given them the AOSP before the public? Or maybe there wasn't any incentive for them to develop an app for something they didn't think would have the market share.
I remember when I first got my HTC Dream a couple of years ago, that there wasn't even a Facebook app out yet for it (it was still on stock Donut ROM from Rogers).

Sejanus said:
I'm guessing Google hasn't given them the AOSP before the public? Or maybe there wasn't any incentive for them to develop an app for something they didn't think would have the market share.
I remember when I first got my HTC Dream a couple of years ago, that there wasn't even a Facebook app out yet for it (it was still on stock Donut ROM from Rogers).
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10.1 inches of web browser not reason enough not to call this a "mobile"?
I sure wouldn't write an app for something already fully functional.
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alias_neo said:
10.1 inches of web browser not reason enough not to call this a "mobile"?
I sure wouldn't write an app for something already fully functional.
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk
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True, a lot of these sites work just fine with the browser (Stock, Dolphin). One thing that is a little bit off topic is the ability to hide the status bar (or go fullscreen with the browser) so we can really get the 10.1 inches rather then the 8 or so that we get with everything on the screen.

Sejanus said:
If you download Spare Parts and disable compatibility mode it will full scale the apps that are fixed to phone dimensions
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It worked! Thanks

[ROM][Metro][MIUI] Metro UI ROM for Android

So at this point I would like to think that I am no stranger to Android development, however, as I move into the world of ROMs this is clearly not the case. I have had a number of people suggest that as part of the Seven+ Project we developer a WP7/ Metro UI ROM. I think that is a great idea, but just do not know where to begin.
With that said I would like people's feedback on the following:
Would you use such a ROM?
What features would you expect in such a ROM?
What ROM/ source should it be based off of?
What is preferable, open or closed source?
Would you be interested in working on a ROM?
With the unimaginable success of MIUI it has come to my intention that open source may not also be the way to go. Also, I would like to reach as many devices as possible but am not sure how. Basically, I am no ROM maker and that is why I really need people's feedback. This could be the next major ROM, or a novelty that few if any find valuable. So please, let me know what you think and who knows, perhaps we can get started on a ROM!
- Tom
http://sevenplusandroid.org
Founder and Developer

I'd use it,
I would like to see integration into social networks
maybe based on CyanogenMod, that way it may be easier to port to lots of devices?
Open source would be nice too

I would certainly try out the rom, I mean it would be a brand new experience. Now I would expect a full WP7 experience and with the innovations of Android (Take a look at HTC Sense, You can get some ideas what people like there). I agree this should be based off of Cyanogenmod. It has a large user base and should be easier to port from device to device. I tend to disagree with your view of closed sourced is better. Sure MIUI has been successful but it's no where near where it could of been if it was open, and also don't forget it's also based off cyanogenmod which is open sourced which allowed such creations as MIUI to be made. Open sourced allows software to become better and having it closed source just limits the rom. I don't have many if any skills for developing a rom, but if you needed testers I would be glad to help.

Would you use such a ROM?
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Definitely, I thought about even making one but lots of the items are paid for items and it's against XDA rules to add pay-for items into a ROM.
What features would you expect in such a ROM?
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Launcher, Status Bar (Native, not an app), contacts, phone, framework-res mods (so the WP7 look is universal, and not just limited to the app alone), WP7 style texting app, keyboard, Lockscreen, and more.
What ROM/ source should it be based off of?
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Cyanogenmod 7. However with MIUI's theme engine it would be a better choice, but then it would be more of a theme and less of a ROM. Also you might have issues if you're using the status bar + app, since for some reason, it appears under MIUI's status bar.
What is preferable, open or closed source?
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Anything Windows styled shall remain closed source, while Android itself remains open source.
Would you be interested in working on a ROM?
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Sure, depending on the circumstances. Could simply port to myTouch 4G from DHD, or G2 (or it can be the other way around) and have a synchronized release.. or other options.
My 2 Cents.

Very Good!

Yes Please! WP7 with google apps? Who doesn't want that?

So it seems that either only people interested in such a ROM found this forum post and replied, or people really do want a Metro UI ROM.
The closed/ open source issue is one we could ultimately decide on in the future, but making the UI open source would essentially eliminate the profitability of my work, and if the absolutely impossible were to occur and M$ realizes that Android could be a better Metro UI platform than WP7 should it be open source it would simply become theirs.
As for framework modifications that is certainly my intent. There is no reason TabHost could not be replaced with a Pivot control, use the same API perhaps with a custom XML namespace for additional control, and simply ignore the icons. Much of the same goes for menus and contextual menus. Other features like Panoramic controls would be additional features that would need to be explitictly used.
Now the suite of applications is important, and likely leads to a potential profit area. The ROM could be on XDA because it would be free, and for a fee all applications could be unlocked to become the full featured version. I certainly think CM would be a great base because of its broad compatibility. Otherwise thanks everyone for the feedback, I hope to get more soon.
- Tom
Founder and Developer
Sent from my DROID3 using XDA App

I would use it if made compatible with my Samsung Admire.
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I would use it. I was waiting for this.
Samsung Epic 4G.

Id' love this
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Being completely honest here, but no, I wouldn't use it no matter how good it was.
The simple reason being that I really don't like that people keep trying to emulate the look and feel of OTHER mobile OS's in Android. What's wrong with Android's OWN look and feel? We should be trying to make THAT stand out as much as possible, not pretend to be the competition!

marcos.lennis said:
I would use it if made compatible with my Samsung Admire.
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+1 too right mate, Samsung admire rocks if you have wifi and I would love to see this phone get this rom
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I would definitely use it!

I would definitely use it! I feel like it's very important though that it has the feel of your UI demo App. With the notifications being the same access color and coming from the top. Pop-up 7 just doesn't really cut it when it comes to that. The variable alphas and low res buttons make it seem quickly put together. That being said I've been wondering for a while when/how you were planning on putting together/implementing a rom that had ALL of the components together and meshing well. I'm really excited to see this and will be checking back often (if not daily). Thanks for all your good work!

I would use it! if it's compatible with HTC wildfire, nobody work on ldpi device neither roms nor themes, only cm give somenthing compatible for us, an alternative would be appreciated, especially if it is somenthing light such as the wp7 ui

FloatingFatMan said:
Being completely honest here, but no, I wouldn't use it no matter how good it was.
The simple reason being that I really don't like that people keep trying to emulate the look and feel of OTHER mobile OS's in Android. What's wrong with Android's OWN look and feel? We should be trying to make THAT stand out as much as possible, not pretend to be the competition!
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Why? It is simple: Android has a terrible user experience and from the looks of things (Honeycomb, ICS leak) it is not getting any better. That, and who even gets to see Android anymore? Carriers even with Honeycomb slab their UI and suite on top of Android to the point were frankly it no longer is Android.
I guess then the question is why make a WP7 ROM. Well the Metro UI is simple and effective, not to mention it could be easily done more performant than other (cough, Sense) UIs. Also, I have a great deal of code for Android that can give it that look and feel.
While a suite of applications is great it does not cut it. There is simply too much that can only be done as a ROM. Lately Android has been becoming more closed (no HC source, removal of APIs and permissions from the SDK), so before its too late I should think most would be happy that they get the best of both worlds: Android has a large application catalog and WP7 a great UI.
Just my though process, and if I can find developers to collaborate with I would love to begin a fork of CM7 for this ROM.
- Tom
Founder and Developer
Sent from my DROID3 using XDA App

tombarr said:
Why? It is simple: Android has a terrible user experience and from the looks of things (Honeycomb, ICS leak) it is not getting any better. That, and who even gets to see Android anymore? Carriers even with Honeycomb slab their UI and suite on top of Android to the point were frankly it no longer is Android.
I guess then the question is why make a WP7 ROM. Well the Metro UI is simple and effective, not to mention it could be easily done more performant than other (cough, Sense) UIs. Also, I have a great deal of code for Android that can give it that look and feel.
While a suite of applications is great it does not cut it. There is simply too much that can only be done as a ROM. Lately Android has been becoming more closed (no HC source, removal of APIs and permissions from the SDK), so before its too late I should think most would be happy that they get the best of both worlds: Android has a large application catalog and WP7 a great UI.
Just my though process, and if I can find developers to collaborate with I would love to begin a fork of CM7 for this ROM.
- Tom
Founder and Developer
Sent from my DROID3 using XDA App
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i would definitely like to help on this ROM, and I totally agree cyanogen should be used as a base.
but, it wouldn't be that hard to compile everything on top of cyanogen, but building the replacing apks is a lot harder. for those, I should knock on the door from the devs from www.wp7android.com they have already a great start with several applications. And maybe they are interested too in creating a ROM.
So if you would like to let me join you, you got your chef for the desire s.
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And because I don't know everything, I'd learn from this too.
Sent from my HTC Desire S/S510e using XDA App

djpbx said:
i would definitely like to help on this ROM, and I totally agree cyanogen should be used as a base.
but, it wouldn't be that hard to compile everything on top of cyanogen, but building the replacing apks is a lot harder. for those, I should knock on the door from the devs from www.wp7android.com they have already a great start with several applications. And maybe they are interested too in creating a ROM.
So if you would like to let me join you, you got your chef for the desire s.
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And because I don't know everything, I'd learn from this too.
Sent from my HTC Desire S/S510e using XDA App
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Most of the devs in Seven+ project are from Wp7android.com which kinda collasped as far as I can see

A WP7 Rom would be great. I would use it. CM7 is probably the best AOSP platform to adapt, imho.

Would you use such a ROM?
Of course
What features would you expect in such a ROM?
Speed and less CPU consumption.
What ROM/source should it be based off of?
Nexus Prime or Sony Arc S
What is preferable, open or closed source?
Open Source
Would you be interested in working on a ROM?
I try my best to give suggestion or design a few things for it.
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If you are looking for developer, there are plenty to be listed bro.

Conversion i9505 to i9505G - Discussion/Rant

I'm not smart enough to do it myself.. however, I am still amazed that no one has been able to work out how to convert an i9505 into a i9505G. I know the partition layout is different, and I also know that there are ported 4.3 GE roms available.. BUT all of that aside.. has Samsung won the war here?
Which leads me to a separate subject.. but.. their knox efuse.. while it hasn't been long.. it looks like they have won there as well.
In any case.. I'm more interested in the conversion to i9505G. Does anyone know more than I do about the status or possibility of ever being able to convert a i9505 to a i9505G?

Well.. This is not as easy as you may think.
Need someone who has both I9505 and I9505G. Also need special connection to I9505 like JTAG to get direct access to flash. Then using JTAG try to dump whole flash from I9505G and upload it to I9505. And then depend on success and whole result, procedure can be simplified.
But JTAG is required at experiment stage if you are not so rich who can afford to buy tens (if not hundred) I9505 while experimenting

A full conversion (think about bootloader,radio) is not possible.
Samsung secured the bootloader very agressively .

Aerys said:
A full conversion (think about bootloader,radio) is not possible.
Samsung secured the bootloader very agressively .
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That's why i've mentioned JTAG. Google JTAG if you wanna know what is that.

Aerys said:
A full conversion (think about bootloader,radio) is not possible.
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People said a reset of the flash counter was not possible.. @Chainfire was able to take care of that just fine..
I doubt it's impossible.. but I wonder how many people have even tried, or if there are even more than a handful of people with the skills needed to make this happen.

xyzulu said:
People said a reset of the flash counter was not possible.. @Chainfire was able to take care of that just fine..
I doubt it's impossible.. but I wonder how many people have even tried, or if there are even more than a handful of people with the skills needed to make this happen.
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I tried everything except for jtag + bootloader exploit. Even hardbricked my S4 1 time.

Aerys said:
I tried everything except for jtag + bootloader exploit. Even hardbricked my S4 1 time.
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Thats very sad to hear, would this mean we will never have a full ported/working edition of google on our phones? shall I sell my phone and move to a nexus? or simply buy the original i9505G?

Noorish said:
Thats very sad to hear, would this mean we will never have a full ported/working edition of google on our phones? shall I sell my phone and move to a nexus? or simply buy the original i9505G?
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I sold my AT&T SGH-I337 GS4 and got an I-9505G. Best decision I ever made.
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oldblue910 said:
I sold my AT&T SGH-I337 GS4 and got an I-9505G. Best decision I ever made.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 4
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Why? Now you cant ever run TW roms now... But on the SGH 1337 you can run both roms

Easton999GS said:
Why? Now you cant ever run TW roms now... But on the SGH 1337 you can run both roms
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I couldn't care less about running ROMs. I unlocked the bootloader but otherwise I leave my devices stock and unrooted. I know how to root and install ROMs but once I knew how, my curiosity was satisfied.
Honestly, I have had Nexus devices my entire Android life. I decided to branch out and try a GS4 with Touchwiz. I really liked my I337, so much in fact, that I also ended up purchasing a Galaxy Note 8.0 as well. There are definitely things in Touchwiz that I'd love to see Google add to the stock user experience. I'm referring to things like air view and having separate wallpapers for the home and lock screens. Alas, though, when you've used stock Android as much as I have, it's hard to use anything else.
The only thing I truly miss about Touchwiz is the camera app. The camera was simply amazing. The other things that are important to me, namely the IR blaster and the S-View cover functionality, both work flawlessly on the I9505G.
Sent from my Galaxy S4 GT-I9505G using Tapatalk 4

What i dislike most in stock Android is halo theme. It's really ugly. Micro check-boxes. Ugly seek-bars. Alert dialogs are too flat and sketchy. Halo theme looks more like concept than theme for daily usage.
TouchWiz theme was odd originally in time of SGS2, but it was getting better and better. On SGS4 it's nearly perfect. May be some elements like ViewPager and title bar need to reworks somehow. But overall it's way better theme than Halo. Also, there are many useful addons in TW ROM like quick settings panel, nice looking lock screen with quick launch shortcuts on the bottom, and other small tweaks making TW ROM much more useful than naked Android. And it's easier to remove unneeded apps/services/tweaks from TW ROM than add them into naked Android.
I would think about I9505G over I9505 only as device with bigger user storage running custom TW ROM, but it looks like not much success here.
From other side, you can buy 32GB version of I9505 and don't think about 16GB-only I9505G.
But hey, there are SHV-E330 and GT-I9506 already

sorg said:
What i dislike most in stock Android is halo theme. It's really ugly. Micro check-boxes. Ugly seek-bars. Alert dialogs are too flat and sketchy. Halo theme looks more like concept than theme for daily usage.
TouchWiz theme was odd originally in time of SGS2, but it was getting better and better. On SGS4 it's nearly perfect. May be some elements like ViewPager and title bar need to reworks somehow. But overall it's way better theme than Halo. Also, there are many useful addons in TW ROM like quick settings panel, nice looking lock screen with quick launch shortcuts on the bottom, and other small tweaks making TW ROM much more useful than naked Android.
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You mean Holo I believe. That's why I use stock Android. TW with its different colors, big buttons that are not even separated from others and mixed styles in applications is really crazy and a pain to use. For people that like to use a phone without distractions it's a plain and simple fail.
Nice to have options as we're all not the same, you keep your TW phone, I will keep my stock Android one.
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And it's easier to remove unneeded apps/services/tweaks from TW ROM than add them into naked Android.
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I was taking you seriously until I read this. You think that removing system applications is easier than going to Google Play and download one? Yeah, sure!

jcasares said:
I was taking you seriously until I read this. You think that removing system applications is easier than going to Google Play and download one? Yeah, sure!
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Yeah.. It looks like your are really serious talking about replace TW features by 3rd party apps
Which app can replace lockscreen? None. It's impossible by android design. Only can mask some app as lockscreen which is completely different.
Having quick settings panel in on-going notification area? Phh..
If you think, it's not serious, then hold on and think first. May be other person, who is talking about this, knows something you don't know.
I'm not even talking about how serious people who are buying non-Nexus device and then whining about CM/AOSP in half of topics.

sorg said:
Yeah.. It looks like your are really serious talking about replace TW features by 3rd party apps
Which app can replace lockscreen? None. It's impossible by android design. Only can mask some app as lockscreen which is completely different.
Having quick settings panel in on-going notification area? Phh..
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You're considering rooting a device to freeze/remove system applications. I was talking about simply adding applications to a stock Android from Google Play. I fail to see the former being easier.
And here the "impossible":
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.widgetlocker&hl=en
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.j4velin.notificationToggle&hl=en
In any case what you might consider essential I might consider a waste of resources.
That was the point of my post. That's why Android is a success.
And if you don't like to read people talking about changing non-Google devices you might be better off XDA.
XDA Developers was founded for developers by developers. It is now a valuable resource for people who want to make the most of their mobile devices, from customizing the look and feel to adding new functionality.

jcasares said:
You're considering rooting a device to freeze/remove system applications. I was talking about simply adding applications to a stock Android from Google Play. I fail to see the former being easier.
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If you are able to create custom ROM then removing unneeded apps (and even editing framework to cleanup from some useless features) is much easier than add absent functionality.
I suppose, we are on XDA, i.e. developer's forum right? If you are talking from regular user point of view who usually don't know what is "root", then it's out of scope of this board. Just buy Nexus device and then you are set.
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And here the "impossible":
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.widgetlocker&hl=en
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.j4velin.notificationToggle&hl=en
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I've told you already: there is no way to truly replace lockscreen by any other application. Lockscreen is a part of framework, not APK. I'm using android devices not the first year, and believe me, i've tried these apps long long time ago. These apps mimic lockscreen using some security holes in OS, but they are not replacing lockscreen. Actually, device remains unlocked all the time. Also there are many bugs and glitches because such apps trying to suppress original lockscreen with different kinds of success/fail.
As for modifying device: there are many ways to modify and it's not exactly by installing CM/AOSP. You can check my topics to see that i'm not just user.
XDA has been created long time before CM/AOSP and believe me there are many other good ways to modify the device. CM/AOSP have their own dedicated forums and repositories which should suit your needs better than XDA (if you want to compete in pointing directions to others).
P.S.: look into I9505G forum to see how users begging to add samsung's standard camera app which doesn't work on non-TW ROM.
Suggest them to install some app from Google play
The same can tell about video player and amount of video and audio codecs integrated into TW ROM. On TW ROM i can use nearly any music player and able to playback almost any audio and video. On GE ROM you have to find special audio player having support of some specific format, and then try to get used to its bugs without choice to switch to another player. With video player it's even worse...
Also, CM/AOSP usually don't have tight integration when it comes to Hardware 3D acceleration. Some selected devices (usually Nexus and GE devices) have good 3D support, but only some.
The truth is: Some people wanna to install CM/AOSP and then they realize they miss many useful (usually not noticeable when it presents) features. That's why custom TW ROMs are present and have a lot or users.

sorg said:
The truth is: Some people wanna to install CM/AOSP and then they realize they miss many useful (usually not noticeable when it presents) features. That's why custom TW ROMs are present and have a lot or users.
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I never denied that TW based ROMs have value for some people, just that as well stock Android is much more attractive for others. If not we wouldn't be discussing this and you wouldn't see the kind of activity we see in this forum.
And I still disagree on the "easier" issue but I fail to see any benefit in continuing the discussion.

got a weird question... where's the am/pm display on the 12 hour clock for the i9505G rom that i installed? hmm...

spilksch said:
got a weird question... where's the am/pm display on the 12 hour clock for the i9505G rom that i installed? hmm...
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Look at the window?

So this really isn't going anywhere?
HTC One has just been fully converted into the GPe.
I was really hoping there was some kind of solution for this conversion
Anyway, thanks for all the hard work guys!
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andreqm said:
So this really isn't going anywhere?
HTC One has just been fully converted into the GPe.
I was really hoping there was some kind of solution for this conversion
Anyway, thanks for all the hard work guys!
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Why would you need to ? You have CM/TW/GE to choose from when using the i9505 partition layout. Took us a couple of hours to get KitKat after the GE got it (broodplank delivered AOSP 4.4 even earlier).

[BOUNTY!] Progress on the Second Screen API for AOSP

Let's get this started! Unfortunately, all of the devs previously working on this have either left for a new device or given up, but that doesn't mean there aren't others out there with the experience and motivation needed!
@wickedninjalo had the great idea to make a bounty as a reward.
Some requirements (UP FOR DISCUSSION!):
Make it Open Source, preferably with MIT or Apache 2.0.
Doesn't have to look exactly like the stock version, but functionality should be similar.
@USA-RedDragon's original intent) Make it extensible by third parties! ie, other people should be able to write extensions for it. This isn't completely necessary, but it'd be amazing to have.
Don't just rip the current LGSignBoard and related APKs from Stock and force them to work on AOSP somehow. That runs the risk of a copyright strike, and it doesn't satisfy most requirements.
If you think you have something, PM me! I'll give you a link for a Telegram group where you can share what you have and it can be tested out.
Anyone interested in testing potential builds, also contact me for the Telegram link.
Current list of supporters:
$20-$40 -- @wickedninjalo
$20 -- @Gabe2014
$10 -- @AngryManMLS
$20 -- @uppon2
$20 -- @wuwtk
$15 -- @joachim123
$5 -- @askermk2000
$50 -- @sobriquet506
$100 -- @tymestopm
$20 -- @Stonkers
$20 -- @emtownsend
$100 -- @philiptibbs
$20 -- @Aaren11
$40 -- @rholm
$20 -- @slaya811
$25 -- @mdl054
$5 -- @TheHamPimp
$490 -- Total
Current devs:
@Blaises
@Zacharee1
Any test builds that are available will be posted at https://zwander.tk/#losdownloads. These are ARB0 builds!

Zacharee1 said:
There's no second screen mod available yet. This thread is the home of development updates and maybe the future home of the mod itself, once it's complete.
So as most of you probably know, the second screen doesn't work on AOSP-based ROMs. On earlier versions of CMRemix, LineageOS and Resurrection Remix, the main display image even oveflowed into the second screen area. This happened because it's actually the same physical panel, but the top 160 rows don't reach all the way across. In the newer AOSP builds, the second screen is effectively disabled, so nothing overflows into it, but since it's not functioning, the backlight and digitizer are disabled, creating a weird dark area on the main screen and a touch deadzone. The ROMs still work amazingly, though, and if you can live without the second screen or are daring enough for dual boot, go try them out.
But since one of the main features of this phone is that second screen, it's pretty natural that we'd all want it there on AOSP too, right? Well unfortunately, it isn't as simple as copying some APKs from Stock. There's framework stuff, kernel code and maybe more that needs to be recreated without infringing on LG's copyright. Luckily, developers have taken it upon themselves to work together on creating an API for the second screen that will work on AOSP ROMs.
It's probably going to be a rather long process, since we don't really fully know how the second screen works, and its functionality has to be replicated without plagiarizing the source. Patience is going to be key. I've created this thread so that I can provide updates on the progress that has been made. Once there are test builds available, they'll be made available here, and this thread will probably be moved to the Development section.
If you have experience in Android development and you want to help out, send a PM to any of these users:
@Zacharee1
@USA-RedDragon
(I need to ask the others if they are willing to receive PMs. Please don't PM any devs not on this list.)
Thanks to the developes currently working on this project!
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Btw. More than just framework code. It's also binaries that need to be reverse engineered and none of us are too good at reading assembly
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RIght now is mainly just the planning stage. So far, the rough idea is to decompile the second screen source, figure out how it works, get it working on AOSP, and then recreate the code in a way that will probably work better on AOSP and won't infringe on LG's copyright. There's no actual development yet, but there's a path set out to follow.

I hope progress is (slowly) being made on this. I very much hope you succeed. For one I hope what you generate is a great deal more configurable. LGE does provide some ability to configure the second screen, but I'm underwhelmed. Weather I can find by going outside, so that doesn't help much; plus this means a partner of LGE is getting information from the device...
One hopefully useful tidbit. At the head of LineageOS's kernel branch for the V20 they've disabled the second screen. Personally I find the way that change was done rather anti-social, so that is how I address it. This actually provides a bit of insight into how to access the second screen, it is simply one big screen with a separate backlight.

Pretty sure it's been done but due to copyright not being put out.

storm68 said:
Pretty sure it's been done but due to copyright not being put out.
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No it hasnt been done.

me2151 said:
No it hasnt been done.
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I disagree ?

storm68 said:
Pretty sure it's been done but due to copyright not being put out.
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Have you a link to confirm that?

Any more progress? This is the main thing that keeps me from using aosp roms as my primary rom. I mainly use the second screen for notifications and clock at night. Since we don't have a notification led it makes it hard to know when I have a new message etc since I disable sound notifications.

The_Keeper86 said:
Any more progress? This is the main thing that keeps me from using aosp roms as my primary rom. I mainly use the second screen for notifications and clock at night. Since we don't have a notification led it makes it hard to know when I have a new message etc since I disable sound notifications.
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Nothing yet, sorry.

That's unfortunate :/ you guys that use an aosp rom what do you do about notifications?
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The_Keeper86 said:
That's unfortunate :/ you guys that use an aosp rom what do you do about notifications?
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I use ambient display lol so when I pick up the phone I get shown a screen with notifications. I wish we had the second screen for notifications at least but It's fine without

xxxrichievxxx said:
I use ambient display lol so when I pick up the phone I get shown a screen with notifications. I wish we had the second screen for notifications at least but It's fine without
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I might look into that thanks. I wish we do too obviously lol. Glad I have more choices than I did with my Note 5 though.
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storm68 said:
I disagree ?
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This is typically an instance where one provides a source/proof to back up their statement. Just stating "I disagree" doesn't cut the mustard.

elijah420 said:
This is typically an instance where one provides a source/proof to back up their statement. Just stating "I disagree" doesn't cut the mustard.
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No need! I can disagree as a statement of opinion without proving anything... I disagree in my sole opinion. Nuff said. Have a great week and weekend. ?

storm68 said:
No need! I can disagree as a statement of opinion without proving anything... I disagree in my sole opinion. Nuff said. Have a great week and weekend. ?
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Well sure. You can say whatever you'd like, but when you make assertions that try to carry opinion as fact, be prepared to have someone ask for a source.

elijah420 said:
Well sure. You can say whatever you'd like, but when you make assertions that try to carry opinion as fact, be prepared to have someone ask for a source.
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Again... My opinion. My allocation to provide them or not. No need to be interrogated. Look! Another opinion! No need to continue in conversation to clog the thread.

Wish there was some headway into getting the second screen working on AOSP. AoD is a clever work around, but the second display was given it's own seperate, low power backlight specifically to get around the drain of powering the main panel.
I'd be happy using just AoD in a pinch if the second display was at least usable as extra screen space during regular operation, there are plenty of apps and launcher tweaks that could provide a taskbar or app shortcuts, if the actual screen real estate was accessible.

Well seems if you flash a stock kernel over aosp the second screen just becomes part of the entire screen so maybe somewhere in the kernel difference can be found as to what's delegating what to where
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whojabacod6 said:
Well seems if you flash a stock kernel over aosp the second screen just becomes part of the entire screen so maybe somewhere in the kernel difference can be found as to what's delegating what to where
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The second screen is the same physical panel. By default, AOSP treats it all as one and stretches content into the second screen. AOSP developers have added kernel modifiers to prevent that from happening.

Question CoverScreen OS vs Samsprung

Have anyone used CoverScreen OS or Samsprung in Z Flip 3? Which one do you think is better and which one is safer?
Edit : I decided to close the poll so that this thread will not be biased to one side. Let's just share the features and differences between both products and let anyone decide their own choice.

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Have anyone used CoverScreen OS or Samsprung in Z Flip 3? Which one do you think is better and which one is safer?
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Interesting question
It's difficult to answer because they are both under development and not finished apps
I am trying both of them and both craches from time to time, but as mentioned, beta versions
Personally I prefer Samsprung, there are news every day (several times usually) and I think it's really great, and well done job
Cover OS is way out of proportions regarding price, too expensive for a none working app, and also if it's working
At any time I would go for Samsprung
Just my opinion

Both developers have done a great job! thanks to them!
I'd also go with Samsprung. Way better support, updates, more features ect. The developer is also very responsive.
Cover Os has just entered Beta status and has a price tag that is obnoxious. Yes, i understand lots or blood, tears and work has gone into it, but as it still is, half baked software, the price is out of this world. We have to pay for something that we are testing, no thanks.
i'm totally fine paying when things are up and running as should, and i encourage both developers to put a price for their work. But as of now, no.

Of course Samsprung...
Do a poll, it'll answer you...

A few weeks ago I would have said CoveScreen OS, but the SamSpring suddenly took lead and I now find it superior.
The navbar, the customizable app launcher, keyboard(!), no features behind paywall, compatibility with stock widgets, super quick and responsive developer. It's an easy choice for me.

It's all wrong, trying to compare 2 apps trying to do different things - they are both in beta and developing very fast.
We are very lucky to have 2 very talented developers making that [ex-factory useless screen] into something geniunely useful.
Try each one - for a couple of days, not for 5 minutes. Then you have to reach your own conclusion.
And don't consider pricing for the moment, only once it/they are out of beta.
Please don't make a poll, that could impact development of one of the apps.

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It's all wrong, trying to compare 2 apps trying to do different things - they are both in beta and developing very fast.
We are very lucky to have 2 very talented developers making that [ex-factory useless screen] into something geniunely useful.
Try each one - for a couple of days, not for 5 minutes. Then you have to reach your own conclusion.
And don't consider pricing for the moment, only once it/they are out of beta.
Please don't make a poll, that could impact development of one of the apps.
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I agree with you 100% it's not fair on anyone to choose one or the other, there was a time when the moderators would have taken down a post such as this.

In my opinion this is a valid question.
Should you pay blindly for something that might not function correctly (beta) and you cannot test fully to see if it fills your needs.
or test something that is fully free and you can test all features and if they fills your needs.
But of course, test both. one you can test fully, the other you can.

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In my opinion this is a valid question.
Should you pay blindly for something that might not function correctly (beta) and you cannot test fully to see if it fills your needs.
or test something that is fully free and you can test all features and if they fills your needs.
But of course, test both. one you can test fully, the other you can.
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IMO since both are in development it's too early to even make a comparison. Both apps are moving very fast, so stability and functionality are not comparable. They are both moving targets at the moment
Maybe after both of their general availability, since then they are notionally stable.
If you're commenting about the subscription policy of one of them, I have tested its free version and haven't felt constrained. And there is no way that those values would fly in the Google Play universe, so I really doubt they are definitive values (time will tell, just my thoughts).
But still, once they are released and updates are incremental, why not run a poll.

Both applications interest me. I have only tried Coverscreen OS as I use Samsung Health persistently. I'm following both threads at present. Kudos to both developers

Bosbouer said:
Both applications interest me. I have only tried Coverscreen OS as I use Samsung Health persistently. I'm following both threads at present. Kudos to both developers
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You don't need to uninstall Health anymore

Yeah don't need to uninstall on Android 12

Snurrea said:
You don't need to uninstall Health anymore
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Thank you for this! Much appreciated.

I'm brand new to this phone and kinda not impressed with it (so far)..I'm a serious gadget nerd, so the flip/fold tech played too big a part in my decision to get it..I'd watched a samsprung video before I'd bought it so did expect a lot more use of the front screen than I get at the minute...like I said I am new to it so hoping to like it more the more I get to do with it but a quick question about samsprung, can it be used on android 12 or no? I updated the phone soon as I got it, then started seeing that it can't be used with A12!? Is there a way/work around?

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I'm brand new to this phone and kinda not impressed with it (so far)..I'm a serious gadget nerd, so the flip/fold tech played too big a part in my decision to get it..I'd watched a samsprung video before I'd bought it so did expect a lot more use of the front screen than I get at the minute...like I said I am new to it so hoping to like it more the more I get to do with it but a quick question about samsprung, can it be used on android 12 or no? I updated the phone soon as I got it, then started seeing that it can't be used with A12!? Is there a way/work around?
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SamSprung TooUI - Cover Screen Home (FREE) [ZF3]
Welcome to the original "Z Flip 3 Launcher" A complete home experience on the cover screen. Compatible with all current "Flip" devices. TooUI adds cover screen support for apps, full notifications, widgets, quick toggles, voice launch, custom...
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Both are pretty cool and somehow useful. Personally I don't use them because I don't need them and everything I'd like to have is just some more widget on the stock cover screen. However we're pretty luck to have those two developers here.

CoverScreen OS ask for way too many permissions, some really strange, i was not to ever able to run it, so yes for Samsprung

For me, the UI/UX of CoverScreen OS is better.