So at this point I would like to think that I am no stranger to Android development, however, as I move into the world of ROMs this is clearly not the case. I have had a number of people suggest that as part of the Seven+ Project we developer a WP7/ Metro UI ROM. I think that is a great idea, but just do not know where to begin.
With that said I would like people's feedback on the following:
Would you use such a ROM?
What features would you expect in such a ROM?
What ROM/ source should it be based off of?
What is preferable, open or closed source?
Would you be interested in working on a ROM?
With the unimaginable success of MIUI it has come to my intention that open source may not also be the way to go. Also, I would like to reach as many devices as possible but am not sure how. Basically, I am no ROM maker and that is why I really need people's feedback. This could be the next major ROM, or a novelty that few if any find valuable. So please, let me know what you think and who knows, perhaps we can get started on a ROM!
- Tom
http://sevenplusandroid.org
Founder and Developer
I'd use it,
I would like to see integration into social networks
maybe based on CyanogenMod, that way it may be easier to port to lots of devices?
Open source would be nice too
I would certainly try out the rom, I mean it would be a brand new experience. Now I would expect a full WP7 experience and with the innovations of Android (Take a look at HTC Sense, You can get some ideas what people like there). I agree this should be based off of Cyanogenmod. It has a large user base and should be easier to port from device to device. I tend to disagree with your view of closed sourced is better. Sure MIUI has been successful but it's no where near where it could of been if it was open, and also don't forget it's also based off cyanogenmod which is open sourced which allowed such creations as MIUI to be made. Open sourced allows software to become better and having it closed source just limits the rom. I don't have many if any skills for developing a rom, but if you needed testers I would be glad to help.
Would you use such a ROM?
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Definitely, I thought about even making one but lots of the items are paid for items and it's against XDA rules to add pay-for items into a ROM.
What features would you expect in such a ROM?
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Launcher, Status Bar (Native, not an app), contacts, phone, framework-res mods (so the WP7 look is universal, and not just limited to the app alone), WP7 style texting app, keyboard, Lockscreen, and more.
What ROM/ source should it be based off of?
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Cyanogenmod 7. However with MIUI's theme engine it would be a better choice, but then it would be more of a theme and less of a ROM. Also you might have issues if you're using the status bar + app, since for some reason, it appears under MIUI's status bar.
What is preferable, open or closed source?
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Anything Windows styled shall remain closed source, while Android itself remains open source.
Would you be interested in working on a ROM?
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Sure, depending on the circumstances. Could simply port to myTouch 4G from DHD, or G2 (or it can be the other way around) and have a synchronized release.. or other options.
My 2 Cents.
Very Good!
Yes Please! WP7 with google apps? Who doesn't want that?
So it seems that either only people interested in such a ROM found this forum post and replied, or people really do want a Metro UI ROM.
The closed/ open source issue is one we could ultimately decide on in the future, but making the UI open source would essentially eliminate the profitability of my work, and if the absolutely impossible were to occur and M$ realizes that Android could be a better Metro UI platform than WP7 should it be open source it would simply become theirs.
As for framework modifications that is certainly my intent. There is no reason TabHost could not be replaced with a Pivot control, use the same API perhaps with a custom XML namespace for additional control, and simply ignore the icons. Much of the same goes for menus and contextual menus. Other features like Panoramic controls would be additional features that would need to be explitictly used.
Now the suite of applications is important, and likely leads to a potential profit area. The ROM could be on XDA because it would be free, and for a fee all applications could be unlocked to become the full featured version. I certainly think CM would be a great base because of its broad compatibility. Otherwise thanks everyone for the feedback, I hope to get more soon.
- Tom
Founder and Developer
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I would use it if made compatible with my Samsung Admire.
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I would use it. I was waiting for this.
Samsung Epic 4G.
Id' love this
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Being completely honest here, but no, I wouldn't use it no matter how good it was.
The simple reason being that I really don't like that people keep trying to emulate the look and feel of OTHER mobile OS's in Android. What's wrong with Android's OWN look and feel? We should be trying to make THAT stand out as much as possible, not pretend to be the competition!
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I would use it if made compatible with my Samsung Admire.
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+1 too right mate, Samsung admire rocks if you have wifi and I would love to see this phone get this rom
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I would definitely use it!
I would definitely use it! I feel like it's very important though that it has the feel of your UI demo App. With the notifications being the same access color and coming from the top. Pop-up 7 just doesn't really cut it when it comes to that. The variable alphas and low res buttons make it seem quickly put together. That being said I've been wondering for a while when/how you were planning on putting together/implementing a rom that had ALL of the components together and meshing well. I'm really excited to see this and will be checking back often (if not daily). Thanks for all your good work!
I would use it! if it's compatible with HTC wildfire, nobody work on ldpi device neither roms nor themes, only cm give somenthing compatible for us, an alternative would be appreciated, especially if it is somenthing light such as the wp7 ui
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Being completely honest here, but no, I wouldn't use it no matter how good it was.
The simple reason being that I really don't like that people keep trying to emulate the look and feel of OTHER mobile OS's in Android. What's wrong with Android's OWN look and feel? We should be trying to make THAT stand out as much as possible, not pretend to be the competition!
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Why? It is simple: Android has a terrible user experience and from the looks of things (Honeycomb, ICS leak) it is not getting any better. That, and who even gets to see Android anymore? Carriers even with Honeycomb slab their UI and suite on top of Android to the point were frankly it no longer is Android.
I guess then the question is why make a WP7 ROM. Well the Metro UI is simple and effective, not to mention it could be easily done more performant than other (cough, Sense) UIs. Also, I have a great deal of code for Android that can give it that look and feel.
While a suite of applications is great it does not cut it. There is simply too much that can only be done as a ROM. Lately Android has been becoming more closed (no HC source, removal of APIs and permissions from the SDK), so before its too late I should think most would be happy that they get the best of both worlds: Android has a large application catalog and WP7 a great UI.
Just my though process, and if I can find developers to collaborate with I would love to begin a fork of CM7 for this ROM.
- Tom
Founder and Developer
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Why? It is simple: Android has a terrible user experience and from the looks of things (Honeycomb, ICS leak) it is not getting any better. That, and who even gets to see Android anymore? Carriers even with Honeycomb slab their UI and suite on top of Android to the point were frankly it no longer is Android.
I guess then the question is why make a WP7 ROM. Well the Metro UI is simple and effective, not to mention it could be easily done more performant than other (cough, Sense) UIs. Also, I have a great deal of code for Android that can give it that look and feel.
While a suite of applications is great it does not cut it. There is simply too much that can only be done as a ROM. Lately Android has been becoming more closed (no HC source, removal of APIs and permissions from the SDK), so before its too late I should think most would be happy that they get the best of both worlds: Android has a large application catalog and WP7 a great UI.
Just my though process, and if I can find developers to collaborate with I would love to begin a fork of CM7 for this ROM.
- Tom
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i would definitely like to help on this ROM, and I totally agree cyanogen should be used as a base.
but, it wouldn't be that hard to compile everything on top of cyanogen, but building the replacing apks is a lot harder. for those, I should knock on the door from the devs from www.wp7android.com they have already a great start with several applications. And maybe they are interested too in creating a ROM.
So if you would like to let me join you, you got your chef for the desire s.
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And because I don't know everything, I'd learn from this too.
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i would definitely like to help on this ROM, and I totally agree cyanogen should be used as a base.
but, it wouldn't be that hard to compile everything on top of cyanogen, but building the replacing apks is a lot harder. for those, I should knock on the door from the devs from www.wp7android.com they have already a great start with several applications. And maybe they are interested too in creating a ROM.
So if you would like to let me join you, you got your chef for the desire s.
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And because I don't know everything, I'd learn from this too.
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Most of the devs in Seven+ project are from Wp7android.com which kinda collasped as far as I can see
A WP7 Rom would be great. I would use it. CM7 is probably the best AOSP platform to adapt, imho.
Would you use such a ROM?
Of course
What features would you expect in such a ROM?
Speed and less CPU consumption.
What ROM/source should it be based off of?
Nexus Prime or Sony Arc S
What is preferable, open or closed source?
Open Source
Would you be interested in working on a ROM?
I try my best to give suggestion or design a few things for it.
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If you are looking for developer, there are plenty to be listed bro.
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ok... here is the link to download.. http://www.mediafire.com/file/nynnnu0mjnn/Galaxy%20S.apk
I don't see it was on app section... Now, we can resolve the graphics issue??
So, I want to do a theme rom (for cyanogen 6) with Galaxy launcher, widget.. etc... someone want to help me??
p.s. **** all the people offend other people... if you don't like samsung galaxy S launcher go away from this 3d... open your door an go to walk in the street.... your life can be better...and your lard can go away....
p.p.s. I'm italian...so.. sorry for my poor poor english....but I know..you've understand...
Hi,
can someone port the launcher of Samsung S to our G1??
here is a link for the desire http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=710951
or..if someone can say to me how do, I try to port..
dude just use ADW launcher and enable horizontal drawer
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dude just use ADW launcher and enable horizontal drawer
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I'm just using adw... I want the samsung S launcher for the backgrounds of the icons...
if adw in future release add this function would be cool (more that is now..)
I love ADW, but I want Samsung S launcher....or ADW with this mod (the icon)
personally i hate ADW i think its performance is subpar. launcher+ is a very very quick home but slightly lacking in features, why dont the XDA community trow together our own G1 optimized home app the way the people want it, Oh and yes we need a port of that Galaxy home.
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personally i hate ADW i think its performance is subpar. launcher+ is a very very quick home but slightly lacking in features, why dont the XDA community trow together our own G1 optimized home app the way the people want it, Oh and yes we need a port of that Galaxy home.
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ADW suffices. Anyone who "hates" ADW or thinks it's "sub-par" is not smart enough to explore all the settings. One checkbox could literally make the biggest difference. It has almost everything the touchwiz offers other than all the icons being iPhone like. With all these phones coming out, ive chosen to look forward, my g1 did me well but i'm actually getting a samsung vibrant because even though all these new things are constantly being ported to our G1's, it doesn't change the fact that the processor and hardware struggle to run it. It seems like an extensive metamorph to ADW would actually get you what you're looking for, so maybe learn how to make themes? Requesting this isn't a quick tedious task, if someone did take this challenge on it would end up being an extensive project before it was 100% stable.
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personally i hate ADW i think its performance is subpar. launcher+ is a very very quick home but slightly lacking in features, why dont the XDA community trow together our own G1 optimized home app the way the people want it, Oh and yes we need a port of that Galaxy home.
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Please elaborate on what you mean "our own"? and I wish it was as easy as "...trow together..." [sic]
AnderWebs has been really great with taking input from the community and created a respected and very useful launcher.
If you got the skills, by all means, make some competition. If you don't, be grateful for what has been developed in the community ( what was not provided by AOSP)
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ADW suffices. Anyone who "hates" ADW or thinks it's "sub-par" is not smart enough to explore all the settings. One checkbox could literally make the biggest difference. It has almost everything the touchwiz offers other than all the icons being iPhone like. With all these phones coming out, ive chosen to look forward, my g1 did me well but i'm actually getting a samsung vibrant because even though all these new things are constantly being ported to our G1's, it doesn't change the fact that the processor and hardware struggle to run it. It seems like an extensive metamorph to ADW would actually get you what you're looking for, so maybe learn how to make themes? Requesting this isn't a quick tedious task, if someone did take this challenge on it would end up being an extensive project before it was 100% stable.
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Oh screw you, i voice my opinion and you basically call me an idiot? typical. this is why i dont come here that often. its performance IS subpar when you look at something like launcher pro, which is lightning fast you wonder why developers arnt spending more time working on getting the core of the application functioning at optimal performance before adding as many features as they can to it. i know every in and out of ADW i am currently running it at the moment, im also running the Galaxy S home app and even that is better than ADW on the G1. Ive been in software development for a number of years and im the kind of person who writes intuitive user interfaces that little pups like you use so dont even consider telling me im "not smart enough" when im coming to the table with experience under my belt. This god complex that people around here seem to have needs to end. Custom rom development is supposed to be fun and a hobby. its totally unimportant in the grander forum of life and you need to remember that. Thank you to the developers who spend their free time making our toys and gizmos more fun to use.
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Please elaborate on what you mean "our own"? and I wish it was as easy as "...trow together..." [sic]
AnderWebs has been really great with taking input from the community and created a respected and very useful launcher.
If you got the skills, by all means, make some competition. If you don't, be grateful for what has been developed in the community ( what was not provided by AOSP)
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i ment take an existing open source home application and optimize it to our platform and add features that the people want rather than it being delegated by one person. Democratic development. (sorry for my rant by the way i was just getting tired of all the sycophants lording it up in a custom rom development forum, its just sad)
what you COULD temporarily do is turn on all of the screens for ADW Launcher place all of the apps on the homescreen and set the default to the first one? Idk I think it would somewhat match the look but not sure if it would suffice...
Here's some screenshots of what I mean:
Personally I find samsung's custom UI a hindrance to otherwise good hardware, and it's the thing that turns me off to the galaxy line of phones, but to each his own. I believe there are various themes that you can download to change the look of the icons out there and some tweaking plus that should do the trick.
On a sidenote I don't notice any real lag or slowness from ADW. There is sometimes a hickup when closing a big program and going back to the home screen or during an initial wakeup after being asleep for a while or when I'm heavily multitasking while using swap, but that's something I've observed in my g1 since we stopped getting officially supported updates and it happens whether I'm on launcher pro or adw or the stock launcher.
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Personally I find samsung's custom UI a hindrance to otherwise good hardware, and it's the thing that turns me off to the galaxy line of phones, but to each his own. I believe there are various themes that you can download to change the look of the icons out there and some tweaking plus that should do the trick.
On a sidenote I don't notice any real lag or slowness from ADW. There is sometimes a hickup when closing a big program and going back to the home screen or during an initial wakeup after being asleep for a while or when I'm heavily multitasking while using swap, but that's something I've observed in my g1 since we stopped getting officially supported updates and it happens whether I'm on launcher pro or adw or the stock launcher.
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I definitely agree, most home replacements these days run just fine when set up correctly and the Samsung Galaxy S set up requires that many more swipes to get to what I need but this just shows the extent of the customization behind ADW.
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Oh screw you, i voice my opinion and you basically call me an idiot? typical. this is why i dont come here that often. its performance IS subpar when you look at something like launcher pro, which blah
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be fun and a hobby. its totally unimportant in the grander forum of life and you need to remember that. Thank you to the developers who spend their free time making our toys and gizmos more fun to use.
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LauncherPro, for one, is not "lightning fast", on my G1 anyway. Takes nearly a minute to set each shortcut? With ADW you just click and drop. All of them may have their weaknesses here and there but my ADW is always lightning quick on any 2.1 ROM i use. And typically, people that have been in software development for YEARS and YEARS tend to develop what they want to meet their needs, not take part in a thread asking for someone to take their time and do it. I for one have not been in software development for YEARS and YEARS, so I just appreciate what's given to me. That's all, not flaming. Well kinda.
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LauncherPro, for one, is not "lightning fast", on my G1 anyway. Takes nearly a minute to set each shortcut? With ADW you just click and drop. All of them may have their weaknesses here and there but my ADW is always lightning quick on any 2.1 ROM i use. And typically, people that have been in software development for YEARS and YEARS tend to develop what they want to meet their needs, not take part in a thread asking for someone to take their time and do it. I for one have not been in software development for YEARS and YEARS, so I just appreciate what's given to me. That's all, not flaming. Well kinda.
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even your quote in the response was ignorant and now you look stupid, anyway its all personal preference. go back and test launcher pro because its the fastest one out there and it includes all the shortcuts that i want fron the get go, i was not offending you so you had no right to be offensive to me, if you're a prick people will be a prick back. you dont deserve a phone and i wish famine upon you.
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i ment take an existing open source home application and optimize it to our platform and add features that the people want rather than it being delegated by one person. Democratic development. (sorry for my rant by the way i was just getting tired of all the sycophants lording it up in a custom rom development forum, its just sad)
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Anderwebs took the aosp launcher and added the features the peoploe want. Its 100% open source and anybody can send source code pull request (cyanogen does it for example) or ask him for features (he added the real cool features after I forced him to)
Adding different home icons is 5 minute work. You wont eaven need source... Learn to do it yourself!
galaxy s launcher isn't hvga, so it's virtually impossible to port.
The only current samsung phone that IS hvga AND has that launcher is the samsung wave, which isn't even android.
Both the samsung acclaim and the sprint intercept have the stock-ish android launcher... no cool app drawer.
sorry folks.
Actually, is it possible to modify the build.prop on a rom and run at wvga? hm.... ima try.
TouchWiz
Never the mind
Im confused, dont we already have this in the app section ?
Link
Im, referring to the OP.
this thread is kickass!
personally i think that anderwebs (the creator of the Android Open Source Project, AOSP, as well as the ADW module for it) is a pretty cool guy. But this thread is about the Samsung S Launcher.
Well done that it isn't meant for our screens and would be almost impossible for the layman (but not anderwebs because he was co-founder to Android) to port. But OP I don't think this is gonna happen. I know I think the Samsung launcher is one of the ugliest things I've ever seen and I don't think I'm alone as there's very little interest atm.
LauncherPro is a cool guy but the dev doesn't share his work so automagically disregard that thought.
Ander webbs (ADW) is making the new version of his launcher right now. It will support theming and it will include a couple themes (most of the nice ones are going to be donate themes) but im sure a little after he releases it people will come out with some pretty cool themes for it and you might end up liking it better who knows? He said it would be out really soon so maybe tonight idk.
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I'd like to see another truly aosp rom there's loads of sense roms out there
This should really be interesting, cant wait.
I like manups456 transparent widgets and riptide9 clear status bar and clear lockscreen bar.
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I'd like to see another truly aosp rom there's loads of sense roms out there
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1+ to that.. Its not to many AOSP devs out there.. i would like to see a truly AOSP rom. not just parts of sense remove and call it "senseless"
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I'd like to see another truly aosp rom there's loads of sense roms out there
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I was about to say this.
a AOSP rom with 4g in it...that would the ultimate rom for sure
60FPS hack
Definitely a aosp Rom
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Stock AOSP ROM with working 4G and HDMI. Only pre-installed with the basic apps.
A Rom that connects me to Jesus...
I agree with most, if possible a stable aosp birth with a good batt for life!
Sent From The Moon...
An AOSP rom. And when I say that, I know that there are some things that are proprietary to get some things working, and that would be fine by me.
So an CTAOSP rom
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orpheostelos said:
a AOSP rom with 4g in it...that would the ultimate rom for sure
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+1 This would be awesome!!!
I'd like to actually keep all the original apps on this, I use some of them, and make it fast and good battery
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Definetly an AOSP rom with all working stock functions, 4g, HDMI, cameras.
OC'able kernel with FPS Fix and themed, (ManUp is awesome)
It would just be real nice to get a bare bones AOSP with everything working and we can decide on the apps.
Rocklee99 said:
I'd like to actually keep all the original apps on this, I use some of them, and make it fast and good battery
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Rocklee.. what's up little one..
Thought you would ask for a Droid X Froyo Rom...
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mzaiderman said:
Definetly an AOSP rom with all working stock functions, 4g, HDMI, cameras.
OC'able kernel with FPS Fix and themed, (ManUp is awesome)
It would just be real nice to get a bare bones AOSP with everything working and we can decide on the apps.
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Bare bones so we can decide on apps, great!
AOSP with everything working, GREAT!
Themed...not so great. leave it unthemed so we can decide on a theme ourselves. Im not particularly fond of clear notification bars and lock screens myself.
I would also like an AOSP rom, hopefully as bare as possible, without any sense/htc elements.
The most important things for me are speed (response), battery life, and stability.
It should only include the essential apps, maybe with whatever apps others vote on if there is a high enough demand, with anything that is not absolutely necessary uninstallable.
It should also incorporate any upgrades/fixes that will improve stock settings, though it is understandable that most of these come from custom kernels.
I would definitely not want it to be themed. People can install themes if they want but I think it would work better for everyone if they could choose what they want on their phone.
A second post aggregating as many of the add-ons/themes/apps/fixes devs here at xda have made would also be really useful.
All in all, I am really hopeful, since there aren't many AOSP roms and there seems to be a good demand for one.
AOSP Fresh. Flipz fresh evo rom is the best. I would rather see it without sense or any htc apps except what is needed, if any, for all functions to work. I like cyanogen but it isn't fully functional on the evo. So, Fresh AOSP all stock. User can change theme etc...
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I'm not really sure why AOSP gets all the love it gets...it's just not my thing. Looks boring and cheap BUT thats just me.
I'm not a huge fan of the sense launcher or the rosie dock but the widgets can't be matched no matter how many apps you download =p
But honestly, there are plenty of nice sense based roms here...I'm not sure there is anything else that could really be done to improve on them...so an AOSP would prolly be my vote.
IMO, I would rather see more themes...nobody likes to theme the EVO it seems..
Ok seriously...noobnl was our only dev on the cyan team. Is anyone planning on taking it up?
Noobnl can you plz just cme back for a litle get it booting and working ill help!
I had the evo, and noobl your the only reason I switched to the epic. You need to be on the team.
Ok I'm off my soapbox promise
About cyan...could we just replace the anroid.com.phone from the one on the epic? Its the fc u get when u boot up. Id imagine some libs would have to be screwed around with. I'm not that good but am a quick learner so please get at me if you know how to compile and can lead me in the right direction.
Cyan ftw!
I will be compiling a new cyanogenmod buildtonightwith the new init and kernel in dk17 I made a ton of changes in at last minutes
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Pretty sure noobnl makes the source available. You don't have to be "on the team" to work on it.
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I will be compiling a new cyanogenmod build tonight with the new init and kernel in dk17 I made a ton of changes in at last minutes
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now that's exciting
noobnl said:
I will be compiling a new cyanogenmod buildtonightwith the new init and kernel in dk17 I made a ton of changes in at last minutes
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I must say Noob, You will be missed. Your andromeda ROM was the first one I tried out on my epic, and I have been eagerly awaiting CM on my phone, but I understand that work/school comes first. I go to college and am an assistant manager at Best Buy Mobile myself >.< the drains on ones time are extensive. But for all the work you've done, thank you!!! Here's hoping you'll leave with Cyanogen Mod Bang!
Good stuff!
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Noobnl = Cyanogenmod!!!
WOW, didn't except this at all. Very very very sad to see you go Noobnl. Thank you for all your work! We all owe you tons for your work in the community. Hoping to see you back soon
There's a few other people working on this, too. Noobnl did most of the work and effort, but that doesn't mean that because he won't develop anymore this will be dead.
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I will be compiling a new cyanogenmod buildtonightwith the new init and kernel in dk17 I made a ton of changes in at last minutes
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This is great news!!!
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This is great news!!!
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still without working radio however i presume? you shall be missed noob
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I will be compiling a new cyanogenmod buildtonightwith the new init and kernel in dk17 I made a ton of changes in at last minutes
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You kno your MY hero, right? Out of everyone who supports you...u n krim. Y'all the bomb digity.
I'm learning to compile, learning fast. I will pimp cyan out...you can take a break ;-)
Whats the big deal about CM6?I found Syndicate barebone to be almost just as light and fast as CM6,with few more tweaks Syndicate can be next CM6,but CM6 is nice and Noobnl will definitely be missed.
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Whats the big deal about CM6?I found Syndicate barebone to be almost just as light and fast as CM6,with few more tweaks Syndicate can be next CM6,but CM6 is nice and Noobl will definitely be missed
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well I guess the main differences between the ACS and the CM Team are that the CyanogenMod team is just better!
I jest I jest. I have used both CM6 on other phones and Syndicate on my Epic and I appreciate the work any dev does. Especially considering how barebones the Epic forums will soon be if things keep going the way they have.
However, the main differences with CM6 and Syndicate have less to do with tweaks and more to do with source. CM is built from the ground up off of pure old android. Off of the original sdk from Google. Syndicate is more or less based off of the latest and greatest Samsung firmware. CM6 isn't just customized to be light (although its always been a huge plus) it also comes with things that just aren't possible through any other ROMs. Touch to focus inside the camcorder for one, or swiping away notifications ala webOS style. Also building in a modified version of the way Sammy did the power widgets in the notification shade from SCRATCH. The menus are much more functional in CM than anywhere else.
The only way to really see why people get so excited here whenever the words "CM6" and "Epic4G" are mentioned in the same sentence is to try it out on a supported device yourself. Than you will see that CM6 is established. They have long been around. They don't just modify ROM's, they create. They make the product that I would love to see come stock from Google. CM6 = One of the best experiences you will ever have running android on your phone. Period.
That is all.
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Exciting! Can't wait to test it out.
If it's anything like the current alpha, it's sure to be a winner.
Gene_Bailey said:
well I guess the main differences between the ACS and the CM Team are that the CyanogenMod team is just better!
I jest I jest. I have used both CM6 on other phones and Syndicate on my Epic and I appreciate the work any dev does. Especially considering how barebones the Epic forums will soon be if things keep going the way they have.
However, the main differences with CM6 and Syndicate have less to do with tweaks and more to do with source. CM is built from the ground up off of pure old android. Off of the original sdk from Google. Syndicate is more or less based off of the latest and greatest Samsung firmware. CM6 isn't just customized to be light (although its always been a huge plus) it also comes with things that just aren't possible through any other ROMs. Touch to focus inside the camcorder for one, or swiping away notifications ala webOS style. Also building in a modified version of the way Sammy did the power widgets in the notification shade from SCRATCH. The menus are much more functional in CM than anywhere else.
The only way to really see why people get so excited here whenever the words "CM6" and "Epic4G" are mentioned in the same sentence is to try it out on a supported device yourself. Than you will see that CM6 is established. They have long been around. They don't just modify ROM's, they create. They make the product that I would love to see come stock from Google. CM6 = One of the best experiences you will ever have running android on your phone. Period.
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I had CM6 on MTS3g for about 2 months and loved it,CM6 is pure android and is probably the best rom I used but what im sayin is tha Syndicate is pretty damn close to CM6 in terms of responsiveness and speed,but CM6 got extra settings.So if its compiled from scratch what benefits it has over say Syndicate rom besides having more samsung and sprint sht removed?
Gene_Bailey said:
well I guess the main differences between the ACS and the CM Team are that the CyanogenMod team is just better!
I jest I jest. I have used both CM6 on other phones and Syndicate on my Epic and I appreciate the work any dev does. Especially considering how barebones the Epic forums will soon be if things keep going the way they have.
However, the main differences with CM6 and Syndicate have less to do with tweaks and more to do with source. CM is built from the ground up off of pure old android. Off of the original sdk from Google. Syndicate is more or less based off of the latest and greatest Samsung firmware. CM6 isn't just customized to be light (although its always been a huge plus) it also comes with things that just aren't possible through any other ROMs. Touch to focus inside the camcorder for one, or swiping away notifications ala webOS style. Also building in a modified version of the way Sammy did the power widgets in the notification shade from SCRATCH. The menus are much more functional in CM than anywhere else.
The only way to really see why people get so excited here whenever the words "CM6" and "Epic4G" are mentioned in the same sentence is to try it out on a supported device yourself. Than you will see that CM6 is established. They have long been around. They don't just modify ROM's, they create. They make the product that I would love to see come stock from Google. CM6 = One of the best experiences you will ever have running android on your phone. Period.
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Thanks for that info.
This Epic is my first Android phone, however coming from WebOS and palm for many years, the mention of swiping and true mods to behavior is exciting!
So, count me in as looking forward to trying out CM6 with DK17. And thanks to noobnl for finishing up whatever he was working on with it.
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Thanks for that info.
This Epic is my first Android phone, however coming from WebOS and palm for many years, the mention of swiping and true mods to behavior is exciting!
So, count me in as looking forward to trying out CM6 with DK17. And thanks to noobnl for finishing up whatever he was working on with it.
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This is exactly what I'm talking about. I've had about 12 different phones in the last three years or so including the epic. And I have to say one of the most exciting in terms of modding core behaviors was the palm pre. webOS was an OS that almost anyone could gain dev access to and tinker with. Android is (in my opinion) more powerful, and because of that it takes more know-how to mod it, which is why devs like BTThomas22x and all of the ACS and Noobnl and many many others on here deserve a lot more respect than they are given.
But, again, personally, I have yet to really see anyone take android and mold it the way the CyanogenMod Team has. I bought the epic on day one, mainly for the screen and the hummingbird.. but I almost chose the EVO at the last minute because it already had Cyanogen on it. The wait is long.. but the results will be worth it!
I wish those dumb mf's that make webos would just make large screen phone,webos is really atractive but small screen keeps people from buying it,how those corporate people keep their jobs is beyond me.
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I wish those dumb mf's that make webos would just make large screen phone,webos is really atractive but small screen keeps people from buying it,how those corporate people keep their jobs is beyond me.
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LMAOOO I totally agree! Then again, thats part of why palm sunk and was bought up by HP. The hardware didn't attract enough customers, so dev's didn't really support it, so app's not enough apps got made, so even more people stayed away from it. pretty soon a lot of devs left it too. Its a sad thing when an OS launches with only 14 apps. and its even sadder when 3 months later nothing has changed.
And all of this is totally skipping over the fact that Palm chose to launch on a carrier that didn't have the service it needed and didnt get the advertising to survive.
Ah, well. We're getting off topic tho lol Android for the win!
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I wish those dumb mf's that make webos would just make large screen phone,webos is really atractive but small screen keeps people from buying it,how those corporate people keep their jobs is beyond me.
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Lol. I agree. People always laugh when I tell them the Pre was on of my favorite phones. All it needs is better hardware, then more people would buy then the developers would develop.
Noobnl.... U still aiming for a release tonite?
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as with the release of v4 miui a while ago, and it being an ICS version. Would anyone be interested or skilled enough in the art of porting that over to our xooms? We now have the EOS version and CM9 port happening, is anyone good enough or a big enough fan to port a miui to xoom, I for one would be a +1 for this... i just wish I was able to code to have a crack myself
Alright...
Maybe this could get a little momentum since MIUI released a page where their source is released, much like CM team does... it is possible that stuff can be used from rogue's rom or EOS rom... they are great with allowing others to download their source and that which would help in the process
Google+ annoucement
https://plus.google.com/u/0/108531052526575991056/posts
MIUI ROM source project
http://www.micode.net/portal.php
Tutorial i think this is (see attached link) it is in chinese... however probably be able to translate with google i guess... i tried but only got text output with google translate not a standalone document, the translation seemed pretty good
http://www.mediafire.com/?47ksn60dm0on6a4
I would also like this
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Me to.
Using it on my Desire HD, and loving it.
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Would be great. I use it on the HTC Leo and I like it !
Me tooooo +1
+1 here! I've tried my hand at it a bit but I would need some guidance from someone more experienced than I. I really would love to see this worked on and become a reality.
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+1 I would probably pay for miui on my xoom. Too bad I can't code or anything useful.
Yeah MIUI beats CM9 hands down
I love miui on my milestone, but i'm not sure it will be as good as the vanilla ics/honeycomb UI on a 10.1 inches screen. I would gladly give it a try though.
Alright...
Maybe this could get a little momentum since MIUI released a page where their source is released, much like CM team does... it is possible that stuff can be used from rogue's rom or EOS rom... they are great with allowing others to download their source and that which would help in the process
Google+ annoucement
https://plus.google.com/u/0/108531052526575991056/posts
MIUI ROM source project
http://www.micode.net/portal.php
Tutorial i think this is (see attached link) it is in chinese... however probably be able to translate with google i guess... i tried but only got text output with google translate not a standalone document, the translation seemed pretty good
http://www.mediafire.com/?47ksn60dm0on6a4
js345 said:
I love miui on my milestone, but i'm not sure it will be as good as the vanilla ics/honeycomb UI on a 10.1 inches screen. I would gladly give it a try though.
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you could be right... and i guess themes wouldn't work obviously however, if this source could be gathered up and worked on our xooms, this would entice others on the samsung tabs and acer tabs, and would allow for theme to be made for our devices which to me would be awesome... also; the portrait and landscape nature of our device may be different but it could also usher a new awesomeness to miui, it does look squished in landscape on a phone but on a 10 inch tab it could be sweet
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you could be right... and i guess themes wouldn't work obviously however, if this source could be gathered up and worked on our xooms, this would entice others on the samsung tabs and acer tabs, and would allow for theme to be made for our devices which to me would be awesome... also; the portrait and landscape nature of our device may be different but it could also usher a new awesomeness to miui, it does look squished in landscape on a phone but on a 10 inch tab it could be sweet
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+1 for MIUI on Xoom.
I have it on my phone and it is so beautiful and fast that I can't use any other rom anymore.
If iPad has iPhone's UI, we can easily have MIUI UI on a tablet. And it would be far better because MIUI supports widgets
Ugh. Ok guys look. Before I started my adventures in Xoomland, I worked with miui ALOT. In fact I still do from time to time. First, miui devs did not release their full repo. Just some of their proprietary apps. They are not about about to release the true wonder of miui, the theme engine. That being said, I highly doubt we would be able to achieve full functionality because we don't have full source. Besides, I only use ADWEX as my launcher and personally I don't think miui would be able to compete there. Consider, what does miui do that our builds don't already do? We could include some form of native file manager. The miui native app backup program sucks compared to Titanium. I'll always have a place in my heart for miui, but trust me when I say working without source REALLY SUCKS.
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Ugh. Ok guys look. Before I started my adventures in Xoomland, I worked with miui ALOT. In fact I still do from time to time. First, miui devs did not release their full repo. Just some of their proprietary apps. They are not about about to release the true wonder of miui, the theme engine. That being said, I highly doubt we would be able to achieve full functionality because we don't have full source. Besides, I only use ADWEX as my launcher and personally I don't think miui would be able to compete there. Consider, what does miui do that our builds don't already do? We could include some form of native file manager. The miui native app backup program sucks compared to Titanium. I'll always have a place in my heart for miui, but trust me when I say working without source REALLY SUCKS.
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All I'd like from miui is the easy theming abilities
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bigrushdog said:
Ugh. Ok guys look. Before I started my adventures in Xoomland, I worked with miui ALOT. In fact I still do from time to time. First, miui devs did not release their full repo. Just some of their proprietary apps. They are not about about to release the true wonder of miui, the theme engine. That being said, I highly doubt we would be able to achieve full functionality because we don't have full source. Besides, I only use ADWEX as my launcher and personally I don't think miui would be able to compete there. Consider, what does miui do that our builds don't already do? We could include some form of native file manager. The miui native app backup program sucks compared to Titanium. I'll always have a place in my heart for miui, but trust me when I say working without source REALLY SUCKS.
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I think so,too.
the advantages of MIUI are stuff like the texting app,the phone app and the launcher. I don't want all my homescreens cluttered with apps on my xoom,it's fine on a phone,but not on a tablet.
In addition,the themes are for 800x480 screens,the xoom could be considered 'xhdpi' because of its resolution,MIUI is for hdpi screens.
It would be nice to see some optimized release of MIUI for tablets,but I don't think that MIUI in it's phone form can compete with ICS on a xoom.
Rumor has it that Miui will start working on the Xoom as soon as they finish their present projects.
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Rumor has it that Miui will start working on the Xoom as soon as they finish their present projects.
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I'm all for it. However, as a personal favor to the miui devs, since they never had the courtesy of adding WiMax calls in their android_server library, I look forward to kanging the crap out of any Xoom product they publish, including their tasty theme engine.
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I'm all for it. However, as a personal favor to the miui devs, since they never had the courtesy of adding WiMax calls in their android_server library, I look forward to kanging the crap out of any Xoom product they publish, including their tasty theme engine.
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cant wait...
Can someone try this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1499411
I'm curious how come there are still no AOSP or CM derived ROM's for the Note II that used Cornerstone. It would provide the same features offered by Samsung's own multi-window implementation in touch-wizz.
I've seen several ROM using this on the ASUS tablets.
If anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about , Cornerstone is an open source framework and launcher that offers multi-window support for AOSP and CM based ROMs. http://www.onskreen.com/cornerstone/
Source code here : https://github.com/Onskreen/cornerstone
Corner stone had issues with Google iirc because some apps don't behave well with it an resulting in bad ratings on the play store.. So cornerstone was blamed I haven't seen much progress on it since then..
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I'm curious how come there are still no AOSP or CM derived ROM's for the Note II that used Cornerstone. It would provide the same features offered by Samsung's own multi-window implementation in touch-wizz.
I've seen several ROM using this on the ASUS tablets.
If anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about , Cornerstone is an open source framework and launcher that offers multi-window support for AOSP and CM based ROMs. http://www.onskreen.com/cornerstone/
Source code here : https://github.com/Onskreen/cornerstone
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Cornerstone would cause CM to break the Android CTS. Knowingly breaking the Android CTS is a no-no for CM maintainers. (As to PIE - my opinion is that should never have been merged for that reason.)
Samsung worked around this by whitelisting a small subset of apps with the permission of the app developers - as big as CM is, I don't think we'd be able to get app developers to cooperate in this manner, and the end result is the effort to try and integrate Cornerstone just isn't worth it if it can only be used with a small handful of apps.
I'm not talking about official CM as I am aware of the issue it had with the CTS. I was referring to our ROM devs that make custom unofficial builds of AOSP , CM , AOKP and so on.
@Entropy512, I was curious how PIE made its way to CM. Surely there mustve been some debates regarding it. Could you please, if its possible, share some insight as to what points went against it, and in the end what was it that clinched it in favor of adding the feature?
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@Entropy512, I was curious how PIE made its way to CM. Surely there mustve been some debates regarding it. Could you please, if its possible, share some insight as to what points went against it, and in the end what was it that clinched it in favor of adding the feature?
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Much of that is private... I would prefer not to go into detail on it.
What I will say is it was highly controversial and a number of people (including myself) still think it should be reverted if it can't be made not to break the CTS. (There was discussions of possible ways to make it less breaky, such as removing edge/top triggers.)
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Corner stone had issues with Google iirc because some apps don't behave well with it an resulting in bad ratings on the play store.. So cornerstone was blamed I haven't seen much progress on it since then..
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Isn't this just like Samsung's Multi-Window? When I flashed the mod that added all apps to Multi-Window, I found that some apps just don't work that well with it- it doesn't stop me from using it, but I've changed the way that I use Multi-Window. If we could adopt that kind of mentality perhaps we could use Cornerstone... What kind of reported bad activity was happening with Cornerstone?
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Isn't this just like Samsung's Multi-Window? When I flashed the mod that added all apps to Multi-Window, I found that some apps just don't work that well with it- it doesn't stop me from using it, but I've changed the way that I use Multi-Window. If we could adopt that kind of mentality perhaps we could use Cornerstone... What kind of reported bad activity was happening with Cornerstone?
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Samsung's multi-window only works with certain applications that have been tested to work well with it. Anything not whitelisted won't work with multiwindow.
And NO - CM will NOT implement a "whitelist everything" hack like some people here have.
So since any app that gets used with Cornerstone would have to be approved by its author for use with Cornerstone, it then becomes an issue of - too much effort for too little reward. (There were, as I understand it, also some issues with Cornerstone's maintainability in the long-term, but the primary reason was application compatibility issues.)
I use multi window with every app (except games of course) and it is a breeze to use. Apps resize themselves very nicely. For me it is pure bliss to be able to have plume running side by side with tapatalk and use pop up browser for links. My dish anywhere app also works great with it as well. How can there be app compatibility issues if there are android phones with many dif size screens out there, basically the same issue no? The htc chacha had a 2.6 inch screen yet was google play certified. Thats not even half our screen size.
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What entropy said
In the end one Dev can build it.. Get 2 - 300 DL then users move on and the interest fades away I personally been there done that.. Not for corner stone in particular but the idea is dev are building what they wish to run in their device .. Maintaining it becomes lots of effort for minimal results/interest..
Android is moving so fast great things get left behind all the time..
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This is reminiscent of the times when webpages slowly started adapting to multiple devices, and thus was born the concept of responsive designs.
Previously they were built as per a definite CSS structure (Fixed-960 Grid it was called) But with analytics pointing to more and more variety in viewports, designers were forced to re-think their strategy towards responsive structures.
There were many who had a penchant dislike for it though. Creativity - they argued - suffered a lot at the hands of flexibility. Not many would know, but the introduction of responsive designs was ALSO one of the major reasons for the demise of flash-based websites.
So again, it boils down to how things pan out in the near future. If something similar comes along the way with regards to multi window development, and the demand/advantages far outweigh the difficulties in adapting code - I see no reason why the project could be back on track.
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I use multi window with every app (except games of course) and it is a breeze to use. Apps resize themselves very nicely. For me it is pure bliss to be able to have plume running side by side with tapatalk and use pop up browser for links. My dish anywhere app also works great with it as well. How can there be app compatibility issues if there are android phones with many dif size screens out there, basically the same issue no? The htc chacha had a 2.6 inch screen yet was google play certified. Thats not even half our screen size.
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Yeah, but the screen size NEVER CHANGED.
It's changes in aspect ratio and dimensions that can do really bad things - and in some cases, the Play Store (I believe) can actually serve up different APKs depending on the device.
With any normal device, the app knows, from the beginning, what environment it will be running in. With multiwindow - it can have its environment changed out from under it.
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Yeah, but the screen size NEVER CHANGED.
It's changes in aspect ratio and dimensions that can do really bad things - and in some cases, the Play Store (I believe) can actually serve up different APKs depending on the device.
With any normal device, the app knows, from the beginning, what environment it will be running in. With multiwindow - it can have its environment changed out from under it.
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the play store cannot let you have different apk for same app but it can let a developer upload app com.app.xhdpi
and com.app.hdpi (technically separate apps) and let the developer make the first one visible only to large devices
and the later one visible to smaller ones. an xhdpi phone will never be able to install the hdpi app and vice versa