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Had Xscope lite on my Nexus as the default browser. The reason I loved it was because of the look, it was "lite" unlike the other browsers like Opera (which do run faster) I liked xscope because the top bar was minimal and scrollable.
With this new version they COMPLETELY changed it! Now it has a watermark that reads "trial version" totally TACKY! And two navigation bars!!! How can they make such a drastic change?!
Needless to say uninstalled. Now going to try to find an apk for the older version.
SUCKS BALLS!
I was very surprise too this morning when i install this new update going back to previous one too.
Please let me know if you find the previous version.
why not just stop being cheap and help support the dev by buying the full one?
Just installed the trial and bought straight away - can't believe I missed this!
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Just installed the trial and bought straight away - can't believe I missed this!
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I think the original version looks better. Luckily found the apk for the original version. Glad you like it though.
nopenope said:
why not just stop being cheap and help support the dev by buying the full one?
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because the browser isn't even one of the top 5 available.
the dev hasnt been shy about charging more than it is worth becuase google "takes too much"
the full version isn't worth the asking price
Aye, dolphin did the same thing.
The original one had a very simplistic tab bar, but now with the HD version you need to swipe all the way to the corner of the screen to call upon a stupid popup tab bar.
I need to find how to save old apks, anyone know which folder they're stored in?
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because the browser isn't even one of the top 5 available.
the dev hasnt been shy about charging more than it is worth becuase google "takes too much"
the full version isn't worth the asking price
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Because its not in the top 5? Name what you think is better. For me xScope blows every browser away..only thing close is Dolphin (non HD).
About the dev charging too much?...its three dollars? You could find that on the ground in one day. Damn...I mean damn do we (Android users) need to support our devs...look, I have to say this on a dev forum
Full version is worth the price to many, but in a few weeks all of the old features that are missing at this moment will be replaced. Wait and see...this browser is going to be so complete. It's already number one in my book.
yeah. Xscope 5 is the best browser available. Its a bit slow and laggy on Vibrant, but its still very good. V6 changed everything, i downgraded immediately to V5 and emailed developer to maybe try to change his mind and go back to developing V5 (some extra features, more optimization, but keep the GUI)
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yeah. Xscope 5 is the best browser available. Its a bit slow and laggy on Vibrant, but its still very good. V6 changed everything, i downgraded immediately to V5 and emailed developer to maybe try to change his mind and go back to developing V5 (some extra features, more optimization, but keep the GUI)
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Improvements to v6 will be coming from the dev. On my phone its running faster then the older version...by far! Instant back and forward, faster page loads, ..better everywhere. Dev said he will be adding in more features that were left out but it does take time. He needs to make sure he does it right, or there would be bugs.
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Improvements to v6 will be coming from the dev. On my phone its running faster then the older version...by far! Instant back and forward, faster page loads, ..better everywhere. Dev said he will be adding in more features that were left out but it does take time. He needs to make sure he does it right, or there would be bugs.
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Yeah it definitely loads pages faster, but accessing tabs is a little more of a pain in the ass. You can't have the tab bar open by itself, the stupid control bar always has to be open at the same time.
kolyan said:
yeah. Xscope 5 is the best browser available. Its a bit slow and laggy on Vibrant, but its still very good. V6 changed everything, i downgraded immediately to V5 and emailed developer to maybe try to change his mind and go back to developing V5 (some extra features, more optimization, but keep the GUI)
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Agree. He shouldn't have changed the UI and just improved functionality. A lot of people don't seem to be happy with the changes. I emailed him too. Hopefully he gets it.
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Agree. He shouldn't have changed the UI and just improved functionality. A lot of people don't seem to be happy with the changes. I emailed him too. Hopefully he gets it.
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probably he gets lots of email due to v6.....but he did respond to mine.
old paid version for free at xscope.net
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Agree. He shouldn't have changed the UI and just improved functionality. A lot of people don't seem to be happy with the changes. I emailed him too. Hopefully he gets it.
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Personally, I hope he keeps doing what he's doing.
Sure there are things that aren't in the new one that were in the old one (such as a custom user agent per favourite), but the dev. has already said the additional features are coming.
There may be some ppl who don't like the new look, but others do, and it seems a lot faster than the old one. It's a total re-write, so I'm sure he's coded it much better having learned some lessons.
But hey, I only supported the guy 6 months ago when I bought it, so I'm sure my opinion doesn't count as much as those who are freeloading the unpaid trial version...
To avoid three presses to get to bookmarks, you can make bookmarks your home page, and start an extra tab leaving the bookmarks tab available. You can swipe between tabs to get to your bookmarks tab.
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probably he gets lots of email due to v6.....but he did respond to mine.
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Yeah they emailed me back. You have to love these guys for their customer service. They hooked me up with the paid old version off of xscope dot net. Its a zip file so have to DL it to the PC. Works great! The world is good again!
manicmoose said:
Personally, I hope he keeps doing what he's doing.
Sure there are things that aren't in the new one that were in the old one (such as a custom user agent per favourite), but the dev. has already said the additional features are coming.
There may be some ppl who don't like the new look, but others do, and it seems a lot faster than the old one. It's a total re-write, so I'm sure he's coded it much better having learned some lessons.
But hey, I only supported the guy 6 months ago when I bought it, so I'm sure my opinion doesn't count as much as those who are freeloading the unpaid trial version...
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Please pat yourself on the back on my behalf.
Hello,
As many of ppl in world, got shocked by nokia announcement. But in mien case it was not positive shock. I was fan of Nokia, but i never did want to buy WP7, and since i am looking for device, it puts more complication to deciding...
WP7 is nice looking phone, and with great comfort to use. But it had 1 annoying thing, i would prefer to disable. SO, can i disable WP7 animation on home screen and other places?
Basicly, when i open mien people section, it just open without showing animation of those boxes getting of the screen....
at present no. maybe it's something you can suggest to MS on social.microsoft.com for an option, though in saying that, the animations are quite fluid and don't take any longer than without them really.
lol totaly forgot about this post i made..
In any case, maybe it wont take longer time, but those animations does make a feel, " COME ON, FASTER". And in every day, it would soom me make OS... I do belive that i am not so unique freek, that no one else feel so as well...
I'm one of them who really hate animation/transition effects on my Windows PC. I just want my command to be execute immediately without any gimmick whatsoever. I've been using WP7 for almost a month now but I never feel slightly annoyed with its animation, it's just so damn smooth
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I'm one of them who really hate animation/transition effects on my Windows PC. I just want my command to be execute immediately without any gimmick whatsoever. I've been using WP7 for almost a month now but I never feel slightly annoyed with its animation, it's just so damn smooth
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Your not like me. You need it to look cool.. but i need it be executed immediatly liek for you on win PC. as we all know, win PC is not cool lookimg, in fact it looks same as dog poo..
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lol totaly forgot about this post i made..
In any case, maybe it wont take longer time, but those animations does make a feel, " COME ON, FASTER". And in every day, it would soom me make OS... I do belive that i am not so unique freek, that no one else feel so as well...
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If you would like a mobile OS that has zero transitions, just ugly screen changes, then you could go pick up a windows mobile 6.5 device.
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If you would like a mobile OS that has zero transitions, just ugly screen changes, then you could go pick up a windows mobile 6.5 device.
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Or blackberry, or current Symbian devices.
After using WP7 for a little over a week I can say that the animations really add to the experience of WP7. I find the animations are what catch people's eyes and distinguish WP7 from other mobile OS's. They show a form of polish on the software and allow you to know when you've done something. As others have said, it truly makes the whole experience super smooth.
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Your not like me. You need it to look cool.. but i need it be executed immediatly liek for you on win PC. as we all know, win PC is not cool lookimg, in fact it looks same as dog poo..
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I never said I was like you, I'm just saying that the delay is almost the same.
And you probably won't like WP7 because it'll look like cat poo to you
Id say they also hide the loading time between apps and menus quite nicely
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Id say they also hide the loading time between apps and menus quite nicely
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if it was a matter of lag between menus then there would be screen freezes during the animations. An initial load of a menu would be quicker than an animation to load. As for the apps they don't deny that they're slow to load and they're working on a fix for that issue.
Refer to : http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Jaime+Rodriguez/Windows-Phone-Design-Days-Animation
Animation is used for multiple reasons.
Animation is an immediate feedback to the user that the phone is 'awake' and has received the input (Touching a button ect...)
Watch the video. It will show how animations are used effectivly in order to reduce the 'stress' we feel when we are waiting for an action. It works in our benifit
youd be right if the animations were taking no longer than the time to load and i know that if u open settings it can and needs to be instant
so what i want is as fast as possible animations, someetimes instantm, sometimes slow and fluid
i will buy a wp7 phone only if it works faster
this is unacceptable
im talking about transitions
1 more i want to buy a wp7 device and is there any way to make the topbar, status bar stay active always? an app or something so can wp7 be customised as android?
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and emigrating id agree with you if the animatinos were faster
if i know the music app is opened and i press it to view it from the homescreen it needs to come up fast not after 1 second of transitions.
10ms transition
i agree that its more userfriendly to see that your action has an effect and that you can slide to the left back to see another screen
but not in the detrement of speed
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You're still not getting it though - tapping the music app (i.e. Music + Videos) requires some loading. Getting the transition effect simply masks the loading time. If you didn't have the transition the app wouldn't appear any quicker it would just present you with a "Loading" message instead. I don't know about you, but I'd take the transition over the bland "Loading" text any day. What's happened is basically that instead of displaying a dummy "Loading, please wait..." screen you get a smooth transition instead.
As for sliding left/right to see other screens - again, it doesn't take any longer switching from page A to B using a Panorama than it does using a Pivot.
If you don't like it, stick with a different mobile OS. For me, the panorama views and instant feedback is what makes the platform so great.
Wake up please, it's 2011. Average speed of smartphone CPU is about 1GHz. Music app should open immediately. That's the case on iOS, Android even on slow as hell Windows Mobile. I'm pretty sure that on WP7 it would also open in 0,01 s, but transitions make it slower.
Jesus, just on/off switch and everyone would be happy!
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youd be right if the animations were taking no longer than the time to load and i know that if u open settings it can and needs to be instant
so what i want is as fast as possible animations, someetimes instantm, sometimes slow and fluid
i will buy a wp7 phone only if it works faster
this is unacceptable
im talking about transitions
1 more i want to buy a wp7 device and is there any way to make the topbar, status bar stay active always? an app or something so can wp7 be customised as android?
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I agree with what you've said here 100%. I like animations, but I don't want to wait for them. I want them to very quickly do their transition. WP7 is very smooth, but I'm always feeling like I'm waiting to get from one point to another. With one of the Android launchers, there's an option to set the speed of the transitions. Perfect. I sped it up dramatically. It's still smooth but I don't wait. The windows move as fast as I can swipe them.
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I agree with what you've said here 100%. I like animations, but I don't want to wait for them. I want them to very quickly do their transition. WP7 is very smooth, but I'm always feeling like I'm waiting to get from one point to another. With one of the Android launchers, there's an option to set the speed of the transitions. Perfect. I sped it up dramatically. It's still smooth but I don't wait. The windows move as fast as I can swipe them.
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I think that's a problem here. If users are attempting to argue that Android is better (Which i'm not saying you are kuttyjoe), we should be sticking to the stock OS and not a modified version. While I agree that having an option to speed up animations would be great for some users, there happen to be other problems that should be looked at first. As an example we will look at the SMS app on WP7. There should be different colors to tell the convo apart from one user to the other. I'm just using that as an example of thing to look at first before such trivial things as animation speeds.
Also after reading through this thread it's mostly nonsense fanboy arguments. If you don't support WP7 then don't bother posting in the WP7 sections. We've gone from a WP7 idea to arguing whether iOS, Andriod or the Galaxy S is better the WP7 OS.
You guys let another troll turn a simple yes or no question into another argument.
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I fine it funny that people compare the first stage of WP7 to later built of Android or iOS, Those people are beyond stupidity & Their lack of common sense makes me sad...
Android didn't get flash until later update, same goes for iOS w/ Multi-Tasking. Was the first version of Android bug free? I think not.
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Are you stuck in Medieval times? Are you gonna argue that if Porche introduces a horse carriage with an engine in it with promises of seatbelts and airbags in the future updates, etc., will you still buy it because it has Porsche emblem on it?
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Are you stuck in Medieval times? Are you gonna argue that if Porche introduces a horse carriage with an engine in it with promises of seatbelts and airbags in the future updates, etc., will you still buy it because it has Porsche emblem on it?
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Some promise of a future is better than none. Android just had a trojan released that took advantage of a serious security flaw which could give out the IMEI number of 260,000 of it's customers. Any of those using android 2.2.1 or lower can have their IMEI number stolen, premium calls made at their expense, etc. and is google sending out a patch? Is google offering some sort of malware removal tool to save your phone. No, they cant because they're so fragmented that they'd have to magically convince all carriers to update every phone... Yeah, that's happening. No, they're sitting idly by. Everyone compares android in it's current iteration to WP7 but android doesnt have a current iteration. How many phones out there actually legitimately run 2.3? 1 or 2? How about 2.2.? Still not TOO many. If you never hacked your G1 which was pretty new 2 years ago then you're still running android 1.6. A number of other phones and tablets can have the same said for them. Android has just as many if not more shortcomings than WP7 with absolutely no promise of any of them being resolved unless you get the latest android device every time they come out (every 2 weeks or so.)
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Some promise of a future is better than none. Android just had a trojan released that took advantage of a serious security flaw which could give out the IMEI number of 260,000 of it's customers. Any of those using android 2.2.1 or lower can have their IMEI number stolen, premium calls made at their expense, etc. and is google sending out a patch? Is google offering some sort of malware removal tool to save your phone. No, they cant because they're so fragmented that they'd have to magically convince all carriers to update every phone... Yeah, that's happening. No, they're sitting idly by. Everyone compares android in it's current iteration to WP7 but android doesnt have a current iteration. How many phones out there actually legitimately run 2.3? 1 or 2? How about 2.2.? Still not TOO many. If you never hacked your G1 which was pretty new 2 years ago then you're still running android 1.6. A number of other phones and tablets can have the same said for them. Android has just as many if not more shortcomings than WP7 with absolutely no promise of any of them being resolved unless you get the latest android device every time they come out (every 2 weeks or so.)
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Almost all Android phones released after November 2010 are on 2.2 or higher, exception Fascinate for Verizon that just got an official leak to 2.2.
So what is your argument here?
What purpose do these packages:
Phone.apk
TelephonyProvider.apk
serve on a wifi only device?
I've renamed these on my wife's nook color to supposedly save some battery live.
Does this need to be done on the XOOM too?
or do they just sit there and never actually run?
With the nook color and the roms available for it are phone roms. With the honeycomb rom on the Xoom its a tablet only rom that doesn't have the same files as the froyo and gingerbread roms.
That's not helpful.
Which is why I think its weird that Phone.apk, and TelephonyProvider.apk are on my XOOM with HC 3.1
You might have noticed in the OP that I asked what purpose they served.
SIP Phone support and they are disabled by default
honeycomb is gingerbread
honeycomb is written or was written over gingerbread. it has recently come out that honeycomb was not written from scratch as claimed by google. it was not written to be a tablet specifc system. it was simply a few tweek on gingerbread with UI changes. for proof, there have been several post on the internet where people can simply change the lcd density, by lowering it it will change to gingerbread UI, so basically honeycomb will someday be on phones as honeycomb and not gingerbread. here is a link to pcword article. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2385710,00.asp, or search google for keywords "LCD Density Change Honeycomb to Gingerbread"
lol yea I saw that just a few days ago, either on the XDA blog or the androidcentral one, I forget which.
So are we assuming that when its running in HC mode that the Phone, TelephonyProvider, Mms, and VoiceDialer (etc. if more) services are disabled automatically?
They don't take up that much space, but still kind of waste if they aren't going to be used on whatever device the OS is being installed on. *shrugs*
Google has already stated that as of Ice Cream Sandwich (God these names...) they intend to run a single version of android across all devices -- phones, tablets, mp3 players, toasters, "personal" massagers....you name it. Therefore there may already be some apks that can't be used on all devices. As for the phone.apks, remember that some devices that have/will have honeycomb also have phone capabilities, such as the Galaxy Tab line.
If you want to delete the phone apps go for it, I doubt it will cause a problem...but I am not sure if it would be worth the effort.
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Google has already stated that as of Ice Cream Sandwich (God these names...) they intend to run a single version of android across all devices -- phones, tablets, mp3 players, toasters, "personal" massagers....you name it. Therefore there may already be some apks that can't be used on all devices. As for the phone.apks, remember that some devices that have/will have honeycomb also have phone capabilities, such as the Galaxy Tab line.
If you want to delete the phone apps go for it, I doubt it will cause a problem...but I am not sure if it would be worth the effort.
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I saw thread in BRD's honeycomb 3.1 post where a user deleted the phone and 3g .apk,s. His Xoom started looping and he had to do a nandroid restore.
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I saw thread in BRD's honeycomb 3.1 post where a user deleted the phone and 3g .apk,s. His Xoom started looping and he had to do a nandroid restore.
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....or maybe I am wrong and it WILL mess you up. Not worth the risk.
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Google has already stated that as of Ice Cream Sandwich (God these names...) they intend to run a single version of android across all devices -- phones, tablets, mp3 players, toasters, "personal" massagers....you name it. Therefore there may already be some apks that can't be used on all devices. As for the phone.apks, remember that some devices that have/will have honeycomb also have phone capabilities, such as the Galaxy Tab line.
If you want to delete the phone apps go for it, I doubt it will cause a problem...but I am not sure if it would be worth the effort.
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I wonder if Ice Cream Sandwich is suppose to unify all android devices....and a toaster...then does that mean that all android versions up to now have been google beta testing stuff piece by piece?
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....or maybe I am wrong and it WILL mess you up. Not worth the risk.
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I agree, not really worth it.
The services aren't running, or seem to be doing anything at the moment.
But if they want 1 install to rule them all it would make sense (to me) that maybe the installer should notice that the device, has or has not, the hardware necessary to use the services before installing them.
No sense in loading the APKs for the camera or cell radio on a device that doesn't have them like a toaster. Likewise, no need for a toastiness level utility on a NOOK or Nexus S.
Its just waste of limited toaster storage space.
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I agree, not really worth it.
The services aren't running, or seem to be doing anything at the moment.
But if they want 1 install to rule them all it would make sense (to me) that maybe the installer should notice that the device, has or has not, the hardware necessary to use the services before installing them.
No sense in loading the APKs for the camera or cell radio on a device that doesn't have them like a toaster. Likewise, no need for a toastiness level utility on a NOOK or Nexus S.
Its just waste of limited toaster storage space.
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In a world of only intelligent, savvy users who are paying attention, I totally agree....but that is not going to happen.
If YOU had to pay the support bill, would you trust mainstream users to choose the right features and modules for their device, or would you just install everything and let some apks just take IP space?
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In a world of only intelligent, savvy users who are paying attention, I totally agree....but that is not going to happen.
If YOU had to pay the support bill, would you trust mainstream users to choose the right features and modules for their device, or would you just install everything and let some apks just take IP space?p
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sadly, you're probably right.
But I would release 2 separate installs, an Auto for the people that shouldn't be messing with it, and a manual install for the rest of us who want the choice, and understand the implications of our actions.
While we're dreaming how about some 512TB microSDXC cards for everyone? lol
Hi folks
I'm still on the edge between an iPhone and a HOX. Could someone please discuss the state of the multitasking issues on the AT&T HOX and summary of fixes?
Specifically my question is this: there are some services that always need to be running to get notifications, like free texting apps or skype. Some services upload photos in the background, like Dropbox. Is it true that these services get killed by the multitasking as well on stock?
I've heard that Dropbox does get killed. I've never heard anything about skype and similar apps that need to sit in the background listening, so I imagine they are working fine on stock Sense?
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Hi folks
I'm still on the edge between an iPhone and a HOX. Could someone please discuss the state of the multitasking issues on the AT&T HOX and summary of fixes?
Specifically my question is this: there are some services that always need to be running to get notifications, like free texting apps or skype. Some services upload photos in the background, like Dropbox. Is it true that these services get killed by the multitasking as well on stock?
I've heard that Dropbox does get killed. I've never heard anything about skype and similar apps that need to sit in the background listening, so I imagine they are working fine on stock Sense?
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When I was on Sense roms with stock multitasking, I never had issues with long-running background services being killed. It was only things like the browser being killed and having to reload and other apps that have their front end killed.
Can't really comment on the services you mentioned, but just some general observations about multi-task:
Some people have complained that during games, if you do something else, like say someone sends you an SMS and you respond, that when you go back to the game, your progress will not have been saved. I don't have time for games these days. So I can't personally comment on that.
Really, it depends on how you use your phone. For some people, the multi-tasking behavior is a deal breaker. For me, I'm fine with it. I mostly only notice it when leaving the browser. It will almost always have to reload the webpage you were looking at.
Have you actually compared the iPhone and the One X in person? There really is no comparison between the two. The huge gorgeous screen of the One X makes the iPhone look like a toy.
You're worried about multitasking but you're willing to go iPhone? Lol hox will be fine
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Well the iPhone is going to get a bigger screen. The PPI and brightness are almost the same between iPhone and HOX.
And iphone doesn't kill your game progress and clear your text entry fields when you switch apps. And it doesn't silently kill Dropbox while it's uploading (it does kill it, but gives Dropbox a chance to notify of that first).
The jailbreak tweaks for iPhone are for my purposes completely on par with android.
My only reasons for considering switching is that the iPhone is going to get harder and harder to jailbreak (I'm expecting a 6 month wait this time). plus lose google maps which is a huge debacle.
I'm open to HOX but would need a fix to the multitasking issues.
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Well the iPhone is going to get a bigger screen.
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That's just a rumor, and its been the same (incorrect) rumor for the last 1-2 iPhone versions, at least.
My bet is on the screen size of the iPhone is not changing any time soon. If they make the screen much larger, and keep the resolution the same, it will look like crap. If they change the screen resolution, they fragment the iOS that they have keep pretty much unified for 5 years. People keep talking about the "iPad Mini" (something around a 7" iPad), but my hunch is that is not going to happen either, for the same reasons of not fragmenting iOS. But those are just my personal gut feelings.
And seriously, if you haven't held a One X in person, do it. The screen size is gigantic compared to the iPhone. You have to see it to believe it. My previous phone was a Desire Z, which had a form factor not much different from the iPhone. When I go back to it (pulled some files off it), I can't believe I ever used a phone with a screen that small. Similar feelings when I pick up my wife's iPhone.
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I'm open to HOX but would need a fix to the multitasking issues.
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There has been some fixes to multi-tasking, both available as a stand-alone mod, and on custom ROMs. So check out Development, and read more on it if nobody chimes in about those here. As I mentioned, I've been fine with multitasking. So I haven't tried any of the mods.
Also, the Asia 2.23 firmware makes changes to both the multitasking (how aggressively idle processes are killed) and free memory at boot (how much memory Sense takes). A new AT&T firmware (2.20) is just now rolling out OTA as we speak, and likely has the same tweaks. So that in itself might fix what you want. But like I said, I don't game these days, so I can't say.
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Well the iPhone is going to get a bigger screen.
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I don't think it's going to be 4.7" big. That's quite a shoe to fill. PPI is less of an issue for both the phones. Unless you have amazing vision or whip out a magnifying glass, you can't even see individual pixels. A higher PPI is usually a better thing, but beyond a certain point, it becomes indistinguishable.
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And iphone doesn't kill your game progress and clear your text entry fields when you switch apps. And it doesn't silently kill Dropbox while it's uploading (it does kill it, but gives Dropbox a chance to notify of that first).
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At least with an HTC One X you can control how the multitasking behaves. However, I do want to address two issues: 1) the clearing of the text boxes has more to do with the apps you're using than the multitasking itself and 2) unlike the HTC One X, apps like Dropbox can't just linger in the background and upload new images as they're taken. I ran into that limitation quite a bit back when I still had my iPhone.
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The jailbreak tweaks for iPhone are for my purposes completely on par with android.
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I know this may sound like blasphemy in this community, but I wouldn't ever recommend buying a phone simply based on what you can do after you root/jailbreak. Usually you can reasonably expect a method for root/jailbreak to come alone, but you can never guarantee it. Always pick a device based on how it suits your needs and desires without any extensive modifications.
All of this being said, even with multitasking being as it is on the HTC One X, I'd still recommend it over an iPhone. As previous users have mentioned, the effect of the stock multitasking setting is only visible on things like web browsers and some games. If you go under the system settings and modify its behavior, you'll probably achieve the desired effect. If you don't feel like tweaking system settings, you can always install an app like SMS Popup which lets you quick-rely to messages without ever leaving your current task.
One thing I do pride Android on is the ability to have background tasks for applications. With my iPhone I would find that (aside from default apps like Mail and Messages) certain apps wouldn't provide notifications when they should have. For example: if I hadn't launched Words with Friends since a reboot, I'd never get notifications from it. Same thing with uploading images from Dropbox.
The other thing that persuaded me to switch to an Android device was the ability to customize and personalize out of the box. On an iPhone, the most you can do is change backgrounds/sounds/icon arrangement. On an Android device you have full control over your home screen. You can manipulate icons arbitrarily (putting gaps between them, skipping pages, remove icons without uninstalling the app, etc), you can install widgets to quickly access information/settings/apps at a glance, live wallpapers, and even make shortcuts (such as a one-click "Directions to get Home" and "Sound Settings"). Heck, you can even install custom keyboards.
All-in-all it took me about a week to get used to how Android does things, but whenever I play with my old iPhone (my girlfriend uses it now), things just don't feel quite right. The best way to describe it is that on my HTC One X, I get to make the rules. I get to decide how things look and feel and how the system responds to my actions. Playing with my iPhone I feel like I'm not making any of my own rules. Sure, I can change some settings, but compared to Android it feels like a thin veil over how Apple things I should use my device.
Get everything you want now, or wait for a possibility.
Btw multitasking never kills any of those things mentioned. Drop box never stops during uploads.
Android> iOS
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Thanks for the replies. I have spent about an hour playing with HOX in store and tons of time researching whether it can suit my needs.
Franklly it has been hard to track down android equivalents of everything I can do on jail broken iOS. For reading full emails without unlocking the device it looks like a combination of widget locker and a few widgets can do it, but it just feels a bit hacked together and not as polished as Lockinfo on iOS, which is a one-stop solution. And there doesn't quite appear to be any replacement for Activator, which is a unified gesture framework where you can do things like turn on the flashlight by pushing both volume buttons at the same time and bring up the previous app with a slide on the status bar. Now I know if I look hard enough something similar for android will turn up but will it be as well supported as these iOS tweaks with hundreds of thousands of users? not so sure.
In the I think the iPhone is under appreciated here in terms of how professional the jailbreak community is and how it can easily match android for power and tweak ability. The main issue is that apple is hiring the jailbreak developers and jail breaking itself will be incredibly hard as time progresses because it relies on patching binaries and finding vulnerabilities.
The multitasking seems to be improved in the 4.0.4 update.
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Thanks for the replies. I have spent about an hour playing with HOX in store and tons of time researching whether it can suit my needs.
Franklly it has been hard to track down android equivalents of everything I can do on jail broken iOS. For reading full emails without unlocking the device it looks like a combination of widget locker and a few widgets can do it, but it just feels a bit hacked together and not as polished as Lockinfo on iOS, which is a one-stop solution. And there doesn't quite appear to be any replacement for Activator, which is a unified gesture framework where you can do things like turn on the flashlight by pushing both volume buttons at the same time and bring up the previous app with a slide on the status bar. Now I know if I look hard enough something similar for android will turn up but will it be as well supported as these iOS tweaks with hundreds of thousands of users? not so sure.
In the I think the iPhone is under appreciated here in terms of how professional the jailbreak community is and how it can easily match android for power and tweak ability. The main issue is that apple is hiring the jailbreak developers and jail breaking itself will be incredibly hard as time progresses because it relies on patching binaries and finding vulnerabilities.
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Android as a whole is much better than ios. I owned four, yes four iterations of the iPhone and jail broke them all. I have also owned 2 android devices. Take it from someone who has owned and rooted/jail broke both. Android is better.
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Hey, if the man wants to create an android vs iPhone thread, then state he wants the iPhone, who are we to correct him. He's not going to change his mind and never had any intention of doing so. Just let the sheep be.
I think you should just get the iPhone.
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Some of the people here may say its not that bad, but trust me dude compared to other android phones its pretty damn bad, bad enough for me to get rid of the phone. Ie, if you are listening to music and browsing. Go change the song and come back to be greeted by the web browser reloading the WHOLE PAGE over again.
Really go play with one in the store before you make your decision id say, as a poster before me mentioned one of the gleaming features of android is its ability to multitask amazingly, if thats absent then its terrible. Imo the multi tasking on the hox is below even that of the iphone. Just really play with it before you make a decision, with that said i wouldnt necessarily say the hox is a worser phone than the iphone even, it isnt. Its a great phone and is still imo better than the 4s today.
I REALLLLY do miss my hox sometimes though, the amazing build quality. and the display really owns anything else on the market right now.
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Some of the people here may say its not that bad, but trust me dude compared to other android phones its pretty damn bad, bad enough for me to get rid of the phone. Ie, if you are listening to music and browsing. Go change the song and come back to be greeted by the web browser reloading the WHOLE PAGE over again.
Really go play with one in the store before you make your decision id say, as a poster before me mentioned one of the gleaming features of android is its ability to multitask amazingly, if thats absent then its terrible. Imo the multi tasking on the hox is below even that of the iphone. Just really play with it before you make a decision, with that said i wouldnt necessarily say the hox is a worser phone than the iphone even, it isnt. Its a great phone and is still imo better than the 4s today.
I REALLLLY do miss my hox sometimes though, the amazing build quality. and the display really owns anything else on the market right now.
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Pretty sure that only happes with the stock browser... So that's a pretty damn bad example.
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Pretty sure that only happes with the stock browser... So that's a pretty damn bad example.
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Nope, i used chrome actually. Also happens with tons of other apps, used to redraw my sms app all the time too.
Doesn't Android have some kind of popup that you can use to control your music without having to leave the app?
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Nope, i used chrome actually. Also happens with tons of other apps, used to redraw my sms app all the time too.
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Alright, just tried both the stock browser with Pandora and the stock browser with google music player.... The page will not reload if I switch apps and change a song. So either you're lying or aren't using HTC's latest code. This is on CleanROM 4.5.
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Alright, just tried both the stock browser with Pandora and the stock browser with google music player.... The page will not reload if I switch apps and change a song. So either you're lying or aren't using HTC's latest code. This is on CleanROM 4.5.
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You're not honestly promoting the stock One X's multitasking ability, are you?
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Well, the new recent update made multitasking a LOT better. As in it doesn't suck.
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You're not honestly promoting the stock One X's multitasking ability, are you?
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Well, the new recent update made multitasking a LOT better. As in it doesn't suck.
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Correctamundo... I was referring the very well documented multitasking woes on 1.73 and 1.85. But from all I've read, the new update goes a long way to fix multitasking. Looking forward to getting it! I really love this phone, even if I do stick to only the stock ROMs.
I'm curious how come there are still no AOSP or CM derived ROM's for the Note II that used Cornerstone. It would provide the same features offered by Samsung's own multi-window implementation in touch-wizz.
I've seen several ROM using this on the ASUS tablets.
If anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about , Cornerstone is an open source framework and launcher that offers multi-window support for AOSP and CM based ROMs. http://www.onskreen.com/cornerstone/
Source code here : https://github.com/Onskreen/cornerstone
Corner stone had issues with Google iirc because some apps don't behave well with it an resulting in bad ratings on the play store.. So cornerstone was blamed I haven't seen much progress on it since then..
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I'm curious how come there are still no AOSP or CM derived ROM's for the Note II that used Cornerstone. It would provide the same features offered by Samsung's own multi-window implementation in touch-wizz.
I've seen several ROM using this on the ASUS tablets.
If anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about , Cornerstone is an open source framework and launcher that offers multi-window support for AOSP and CM based ROMs. http://www.onskreen.com/cornerstone/
Source code here : https://github.com/Onskreen/cornerstone
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Cornerstone would cause CM to break the Android CTS. Knowingly breaking the Android CTS is a no-no for CM maintainers. (As to PIE - my opinion is that should never have been merged for that reason.)
Samsung worked around this by whitelisting a small subset of apps with the permission of the app developers - as big as CM is, I don't think we'd be able to get app developers to cooperate in this manner, and the end result is the effort to try and integrate Cornerstone just isn't worth it if it can only be used with a small handful of apps.
I'm not talking about official CM as I am aware of the issue it had with the CTS. I was referring to our ROM devs that make custom unofficial builds of AOSP , CM , AOKP and so on.
@Entropy512, I was curious how PIE made its way to CM. Surely there mustve been some debates regarding it. Could you please, if its possible, share some insight as to what points went against it, and in the end what was it that clinched it in favor of adding the feature?
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@Entropy512, I was curious how PIE made its way to CM. Surely there mustve been some debates regarding it. Could you please, if its possible, share some insight as to what points went against it, and in the end what was it that clinched it in favor of adding the feature?
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Much of that is private... I would prefer not to go into detail on it.
What I will say is it was highly controversial and a number of people (including myself) still think it should be reverted if it can't be made not to break the CTS. (There was discussions of possible ways to make it less breaky, such as removing edge/top triggers.)
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Corner stone had issues with Google iirc because some apps don't behave well with it an resulting in bad ratings on the play store.. So cornerstone was blamed I haven't seen much progress on it since then..
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Isn't this just like Samsung's Multi-Window? When I flashed the mod that added all apps to Multi-Window, I found that some apps just don't work that well with it- it doesn't stop me from using it, but I've changed the way that I use Multi-Window. If we could adopt that kind of mentality perhaps we could use Cornerstone... What kind of reported bad activity was happening with Cornerstone?
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Isn't this just like Samsung's Multi-Window? When I flashed the mod that added all apps to Multi-Window, I found that some apps just don't work that well with it- it doesn't stop me from using it, but I've changed the way that I use Multi-Window. If we could adopt that kind of mentality perhaps we could use Cornerstone... What kind of reported bad activity was happening with Cornerstone?
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Samsung's multi-window only works with certain applications that have been tested to work well with it. Anything not whitelisted won't work with multiwindow.
And NO - CM will NOT implement a "whitelist everything" hack like some people here have.
So since any app that gets used with Cornerstone would have to be approved by its author for use with Cornerstone, it then becomes an issue of - too much effort for too little reward. (There were, as I understand it, also some issues with Cornerstone's maintainability in the long-term, but the primary reason was application compatibility issues.)
I use multi window with every app (except games of course) and it is a breeze to use. Apps resize themselves very nicely. For me it is pure bliss to be able to have plume running side by side with tapatalk and use pop up browser for links. My dish anywhere app also works great with it as well. How can there be app compatibility issues if there are android phones with many dif size screens out there, basically the same issue no? The htc chacha had a 2.6 inch screen yet was google play certified. Thats not even half our screen size.
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In the end one Dev can build it.. Get 2 - 300 DL then users move on and the interest fades away I personally been there done that.. Not for corner stone in particular but the idea is dev are building what they wish to run in their device .. Maintaining it becomes lots of effort for minimal results/interest..
Android is moving so fast great things get left behind all the time..
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This is reminiscent of the times when webpages slowly started adapting to multiple devices, and thus was born the concept of responsive designs.
Previously they were built as per a definite CSS structure (Fixed-960 Grid it was called) But with analytics pointing to more and more variety in viewports, designers were forced to re-think their strategy towards responsive structures.
There were many who had a penchant dislike for it though. Creativity - they argued - suffered a lot at the hands of flexibility. Not many would know, but the introduction of responsive designs was ALSO one of the major reasons for the demise of flash-based websites.
So again, it boils down to how things pan out in the near future. If something similar comes along the way with regards to multi window development, and the demand/advantages far outweigh the difficulties in adapting code - I see no reason why the project could be back on track.
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I use multi window with every app (except games of course) and it is a breeze to use. Apps resize themselves very nicely. For me it is pure bliss to be able to have plume running side by side with tapatalk and use pop up browser for links. My dish anywhere app also works great with it as well. How can there be app compatibility issues if there are android phones with many dif size screens out there, basically the same issue no? The htc chacha had a 2.6 inch screen yet was google play certified. Thats not even half our screen size.
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Yeah, but the screen size NEVER CHANGED.
It's changes in aspect ratio and dimensions that can do really bad things - and in some cases, the Play Store (I believe) can actually serve up different APKs depending on the device.
With any normal device, the app knows, from the beginning, what environment it will be running in. With multiwindow - it can have its environment changed out from under it.
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Yeah, but the screen size NEVER CHANGED.
It's changes in aspect ratio and dimensions that can do really bad things - and in some cases, the Play Store (I believe) can actually serve up different APKs depending on the device.
With any normal device, the app knows, from the beginning, what environment it will be running in. With multiwindow - it can have its environment changed out from under it.
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the play store cannot let you have different apk for same app but it can let a developer upload app com.app.xhdpi
and com.app.hdpi (technically separate apps) and let the developer make the first one visible only to large devices
and the later one visible to smaller ones. an xhdpi phone will never be able to install the hdpi app and vice versa