I am curious how a big company like Samsung managed to cut through the crap and make an uncrippled phone.
Back in 2009 I got a Samsung SGH-F266 from Bell and while it was cute and stable in was so crippled and locked down after using it for a while I ended up hating it more than any phone, except one Motorola phone in 2004 which shouldn't have even passed basic QC testing let alone get released into the wild.
The SGH-F266 wouldn't even turn on properly without an active sim card. It wouldn't let you assign your own MP3s to ring tones to protect ringtone businesses. You couldn't even transfer an image from your computer to use as a background on your screen .... only pictures taken with the phone could be used. The Media Player app played tracks nicely but finding them was another matter as the phone directed you to payed on-line services by default .... finding and playing your own track took about 10 click wait clicks, while connecting to paid music took one. This phone was designed for the phone carriers not me.
I thought Samsung was going to be dead in the water at the time and swore I would never buy a Samsung phone again. Frankly I gave up on "smartphone"model almost altogether as I thought it would be quite impossible for any company to cut the crap.
Then my Goddaughter showed me her HTC Legend phone and Android and within a couple of minutes I saw the future of mobile computing. It was almost 100% cripple free .... I had a HTC Desire Z in about a week and I really liked it. It was almost 100% cripple free ..... HTC and Google made a phone for me instead of the carriers. Sure Bell forced a lot of crapware down my throat that forced me to root my phone, but the end product was a phone that I used until it died and had no urge to upgrade.
Sadly HTC is crippling their phones again by not supporting removable storage but I owned a HTC One S for a while and it was a good phone.
Then finally I got over my distaste for Samsung and got a Galaxy3S. I really can't find the slightest evidence of crippling on this phone. Even locked I can remove or disable any crap I don't want thanks to Google and Android 4.11 (Bell must be pissed). It supports removable storage and battery. It isn't rooted and I believe the boot loader is locked but for actually using the phone I have had no desire to root or unlock.
How did Samsung change their corporate mentality so much. Greed? Foresight? Blackmail of the carriers?.... Surely Google and HTC played their part too and perhaps they started it.
I hope this isn't a temporary bubble that breaks as soon as a new monopoly emerges.
Wow.. that was a lot..
Thanks for sharing, but why share at all?
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Samsung doesnt lock there boot loaders the carrier does. Samsung phase a great dev community due to there phones Being so open. So theres really no sighn of being crippled for example I have cspire so all Samsung phones there is just stock samsung
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bbrad said:
Samsung doesnt lock there boot loaders the carrier does. Samsung phase a great dev community due to there phones Being so open. So theres really no sighn of being crippled for example I have cspire so all Samsung phones there is just stock samsung
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But they are with the Exynos chip which they refuse to release proper documentation for and is causing developers to leave the brand in hords. Many are moving to Sony or the nexus due to samsung going back on their word.
As for the OP. Samsung didnt do a bad job with the s3 minus some coming with the exynos chip.
Updates and better support. Support doesn't have to be good, but it's certainly better than HTC's and their crap. They get updates out, and the only others who do that are Google and Sony.
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Well I have 2 Samsung products: Galaxy Tab 10.1 P7500 and Galaxy Pocket S5300 and I have had not one problem with them.
I have installed many ROMs in them and they are both very good...and all working great.
I think the problems lie in those who just have no idea whats going on and think they can mess around with their phones.
Smartphones are mini computers and should be treated with care and if you are going to start upgrading...rooting..romming etc you should try to get a better idea of what you are up to.:laugh:
Commercials play a big part in it too and making the people wait in anticipation and big unveilings help too. How you advertise it play a big role
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Samsung is by far the only company I know (Aside from the nexus lines) to release 2 major upgrades for their phone. I.E. The Galaxy S2. It started out with Gingerbread but it has official samsung support up to 4.1 now and they're going to stop after 4.2. No other company has done that IIRC, most only go up 1 major upgrade then focus on their next phone.
However the downside and the downfall of Samsung in the open source world is that the Exynos chip they use so much is pretty much closed source and this cripples developers. So much so that the CyanogenMOD team has almost completely dropped support for Samsung phones because of this.
As someone that has been hanging around here for a while, and using HTC phones since the Windows Mobile days, will know that HTC has been locking down their phones in one way or another since before Android was even a mainstream mobile OS. Back on WinMo, you had to HardSPL your phone to put custom ROMs on it. HTC keeps ramping up their security measures, and what you see on the latest devices is not a drastic departure from what happened in the past, but just another iteration or evolution of it. The OPs Desire Z was far from an open device, and it took a while until S-off was achieved.
HTC was a big innovator in the early days of Android, making the first Android phone (HTC Dream) and the first Nexus phone. Samsung mostly played it safe in the early days, but eventually saw the tide was coming, and rode it, investing heavily in Android. A lot of what you see as the open nature of Samsung devices is inherent in Android. Probably more a case of Samsung following Google's requirements, and copying what the competition was doing on their devices; rather then some kind of altruistic awakening.
As far as features, what one person may consider "crippling", may not mean the same to another. Obviously, the intention is not to cripple the device. HTC (or Apple for that matter) would argue that most people value slimness and smooth design over SD slots and removable battery covers. Of course, not everyone will agree. And some of what HTC is doing might just be categorized as being a copy cat to many of the things that Apple has done to the smartphone.
Sammy has simply decided to take a different industrial design philosophy. They don't push the envelope in this category, although they do leave in a lot of features like the OP points out. But to me, their physical designs are uninspired and a bit bland, relying heavily on cheap looking/feeling plastics.
In the end, its just different approaches on how to design the same type of product. And Samsung's success probably has more to do with the fact they were a much larger company to begin with, with a huge advertising machine.
Redpoint 73 ....What a great post
From the OP
It drove me crazy trying to unlock my original Desire Z ..... I was on the bleeding edge as an end user. I have no desire to unlock my Samung S3 because Google had the balls to put in a working system to disable, hide or remove stuff the carrier forces on the phone... what a novel concept ....
Another interesting thing that happened as Android got established is that using cheap long distance calling cards actually got feasible because the dialing pause and wait codes started to work properly. Now I have one button call of my bro in the states and can talk for an hour for a buck instead of the 100$ the carriers charge.
I would argue that not having any kind of removable storage is crippling. Not supporting either USB to Go or microSD severely limits the user and forces use of on-line services which cost money (bandwidth) to use. Text and data files are fine for Dropbox ...... music and pictures are nowhere near as convenient as having them on a microSD card, unless you actually like the idea of syncing. Apple Phones and HTC phones are crippled for music and pictures and I think that that is part of the business model.
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As someone that has been hanging around here for a while, and using HTC phones since the Windows Mobile days, will know that HTC has been locking down their phones in one way or another since before Android was even a mainstream mobile OS. Back on WinMo, you had to HardSPL your phone to put custom ROMs on it. HTC keeps ramping up their security measures, and what you see on the latest devices is not a drastic departure from what happened in the past, but just another iteration or evolution of it. The OPs Desire Z was far from an open device, and it took a while until S-off was achieved.
HTC was a big innovator in the early days of Android, making the first Android phone (HTC Dream) and the first Nexus phone. Samsung mostly played it safe in the early days, but eventually saw the tide was coming, and rode it, investing heavily in Android. A lot of what you see as the open nature of Samsung devices is inherent in Android. Probably more a case of Samsung following Google's requirements, and copying what the competition was doing on their devices; rather then some kind of altruistic awakening.
As far as features, what one person may consider "crippling", may not mean the same to another. Obviously, the intention is not to cripple the device. HTC (or Apple for that matter) would argue that most people value slimness and smooth design over SD slots and removable battery covers. Of course, not everyone will agree. And some of what HTC is doing might just be categorized as being a copy cat to many of the things that Apple has done to the smartphone.
Sammy has simply decided to take a different industrial design philosophy. They don't push the envelope in this category, although they do leave in a lot of features like the OP points out. But to me, their physical designs are uninspired and a bit bland, relying heavily on cheap looking/feeling plastics.
In the end, its just different approaches on how to design the same type of product. And Samsung's success probably has more to do with the fact they were a much larger company to begin with, with a huge advertising machine.
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I just bought my wife an iPhone 4 (she previously had the 3G then 3GS). I gotta say the iPhone 4 is definitely much better than Captivate even before jailbreak. Dont get me wrong, I love the Captivate. Its my first Android phone. The iPhone 4 battery life is insane. Screen is SHARP. And you know what else? The iPhone apps have much better quality. I can download 2 of the same apps made for each OS by the same developer and the iOS one almost always have a better quality.
I love the fact that the Captivate is not made by Apple. Android is definitely a true iOS contender. But is it better? No. It will probably get there though.
*yawn*
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Obvious troll is obvious
Have you tried both phone? Care to explain why you think im a troll?
Because you're on XDA on the Captivate forums creating a new thread just to say how much better another phone is than the Captivate?
I have both the iPhone 4 and the Captivate and find myself using the Captivate much more often than the iPhone. The iPhone is fine for people who are tech illiterate, much like how Macs are fine for people who can't take care of a normal PC.
I don't even understand why people keep bringing up a iPhone v. some Android phone debate. You like red and I like blue. Both are great phones, but coming into a place specifically for Winmo/Android devices to preach about an iPhone is pointless. There should a a filter on new threads that prevents anything with iPhone in the title or body (good or bad) from being created. It's getting old.
when will people realize WE DONT CARE if the iphone is better....i would be willing to be 95 percent of the people on the captivate section has used an iphone 4. We are still here...if we wanted an iphone (or wanted to read about it) we would have gone elsewhere.
THAT is why you are a troll. have a great day
The iPhone is a joke.
Moving on.
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Captivate is an AT&T phone....majority of smartphone users who moved to a Captivate did so from an iphone after the contract ended.
Everybody is entitled to their favorites and thats a good thing. However, its almost meaningless to go into the captivate thread and say:
"Hey guys, i hate iphone, i bought android, but now i realize i actually prefer iphone"...... people will bag you out, call you a troll etc as no one wants to be told, sorry, you bought a ticket on the wrong train.
Its your view if you dont like apple but admire their well-thought out system/structure but things on android dont change overnight.
Its oft discussed how android apps still feel like beta, but give it time and like you said, it'll balance out. Just have a look at the change from android 1.6 to 2.2
I suspect these two things (below) may change the situation as well:
http://pocketnow.com/android/amazons-android-app-store-terms-leaked
http://pocketnow.com/android/new-report-shows-developers-favor-android-over-ios
Hmmm ok big deal iphone so yesterday...
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I just bought my wife an iPhone 4 (she previously had the 3G then 3GS). I gotta say the iPhone 4 is definitely much better than Captivate even before jailbreak. Dont get me wrong, I love the Captivate. Its my first Android phone. The iPhone 4 battery life is insane. Screen is SHARP. And you know what else? The iPhone apps have much better quality. I can download 2 of the same apps made for each OS by the same developer and the iOS one almost always have a better quality.
I love the fact that the Captivate is not made by Apple. Android is definitely a true iOS contender. But is it better? No. It will probably get there though.
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I admit the iPhone is easier - it is made so simple that anyone can use it - that is some of its appeal. If the designer only gives one way to access an app or do something then there is no confusion. Simplicity equals success.
Other then it being designed for the average person, i see little in your explanation to make it superior. The screen is higher density, but i prefer the deeper blacks of the AMOLED. The battery life is better in some tests and worse in others (Captivate did better in rated talk time, iPhone worse). Go to apple's forums and there are just as many people complaining about bad battery life as good - it all goes back to which apps are sucking down juice and the the iPhone has plenty of offenders.
As for app quality; the iPhone app world is more mature so there are more games; but of the 20 apps I use, they all look identical on my iPhone 3G as they do on my Android. BTW, where are all the widgets for the iPhone?
Everyone has different tastes - the iPhone is a fine for people that want it, but consider this:
1. iPhone 4 has a serious design flaw with the antenna - Apple made the decision to embrace form over function. Even Consumer Reports gave it a "do not buy rating" and they loved all past iPhones.
2. For enhanced functionality you must jailbreak - and then you are months behind OS updates waiting on developer updates
3. Re-jailbreaking every few months gets old fast
4. You are locked into the apple model. iTunes is required, no using drives as mass storage, limited to syncing with one PC/Mac, etc.
The iPhone is different, but I would not say it is better. It is made for the simple minded and it does that well.
Iphone 4 > Captivate FOR NOOBS!
Just be careful with that iphone screen... It scratches as easily as the droid incredible.
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"I are has iPhone 4G and it are better than phone than all other has. I have posting onto android forum to prove I are know bester phone than are all you. You has impressed."
I have both.
Captivate is superior, in my opinion... iPhone4 is just more user friendly.
A Honda Civic is more user-friendly than a Leerjet... that doesn't make the Civic better.
I do believe that each phone has it's userbase, like a previous post, the iPhone are for people who like to be told how and what to do with their device. If you want to do any customization, good luck. You want to develop for the phone? You need to shell out cash for a Mac, if you don't already have one.
The Android platform is much more open, sure you have to root/sideload to accomplish things but most carriers lock phones just because they want to avoid any piracy problems. The phone is very customizable and open source, the SDK is free and multiplatform, meaning you can write apps on Windows, OSX and even Linux. So yeah.. before touting how great the iPhone is just because of the bigger screen and the thousands of fart apps you can download from the app store, you might want to do some research.
It must be troll season, everyone get a license. Is there a limit on trolls?
You will find an equal amount of people that say the iPhone is better, compared to the amount that says android is better. Its a preference.
Its obvious both are successful, and both have an audience.
The phone OS scene isn't crowded, there's room for more. Webos has potential, BB may get with the program eventually, and windows phone looks to be the next big thing.
I'm glad you're happy with your iPhone, I couldn't be happier since I put mine down.
How many "Captivates suck" posts does the Captivate forum need?
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Speaking as a former Mac Genius at the Fort Worth Apple Store, I can tell you unequivocally that the iPhone has multiple issues. It's not just the 4 with it's known antenna and proximity sensor issues.
Just LOL at fail troll. LOL.
I have had every iPhone version... 8GB, 3G, 3GS, and 4. I returned the 4 because I don't think a free s****y case is a fix for a device that is defective and costs me over 1400 dollars. (subsidized purchase price+ two year contract) Fix the device. That is what set me over the edge.
And I couldn't be happier. I have yet to drop a single call with my Captivate. Every 3G based iPhone I have has dropped calls, usually in the same places. Like my house. The Captivate does not. Even with all the different ROM's and kernels I have loaded on it, it is still trucking along like a champ.
I got my iPhone 3G replaced 4 times in one year. 3GS 6 times. The 4 I had from launch day til late July. I'm still on the original Captivate.
I wouldn't go back.
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Wow look at all the nerd rage lol. Im new to this General forum and Ive seen several iPHone VS Android threads so I thought it was okay to discuss about the iPhone here too. All I see is people attacking the iPhone because they have some personal problem with Steve Jobs or AT&T. I kinda expected nerd rage but damn I tried so hard to be neutral in the OP. I thought I'd make a thread where people with unbiased opinions can discuss about the iPhone and Captivate.
If you look at the iPhone 4 objectively, with no bias. The device is a beautiful piece of technology in our generation. Despite some flaw like iTunes (grrr), stupid nerd politics and the antenna issue which is a non-issue to us. Were not fat and dont grip the **** out of our phones when we talk.
But anyway, If I offended any nerd here I apologize, kind of. Its really not entirely my fault you are mentally weak and cant handle different views
http://www.facebook.com/htcuk?v=app_7146470109
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/15/htc-launches-into-tablet-wars-with-1-5ghz-7-inch-flyer/
tablet looks very good
Well.. I'm really disappointed. I mean REALLY. When you compare the hardware it's almost nothing new.
HTC Desire S vs HTC Desire
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3776&idPhone2=3077
I'm a HTC fan since many years and it's hard for me to say this, but HTC is really behind now and is only trying to make money and sell us BULL****!!!
Just see the comparison and you will know what I'm talking about... minor changes. NOT EVEN THE PROCESSOR HAS CHANGED!!!
The Incredible S is also nothing new under the sun. Not even a dual-core processor... No 1GB of ram.
Seriously, HTC, WHAT THE ****?
The hardware specs of Galaxy S II can eat HTC's newest devices for breakfast.
And HTC really made a big mistake because right now it's no more about the software, it's the hardware that matters. Android is almost the same on all devices and with a community like XDA everything (costumization) is possible.
RIP HTC, I will never buy a device from you anymore.
I feel pretty let down by HTC's showing at MWC.
I was expecting an Atrix/Galaxy 2 rival (aka the Pyramid) and they show us unibodied versions of phones that have been out since last year with slightly bigger batteries running Gingerbread.
I don't know whether to jump ship to the Atrix or to wait and see if they produce the Pyramid at a later date.
I'm not particularly interested in the Tablet, and if I was to get one i'd get the Moto Xoom or Samsung Galaxy 10.1 as they are pretty much the same as each other anyway with stock Honeycomb, rather than a massively skinned and shelled Gingerbread device.
HTC needs to stop trying to insist upon making Sense the core product they are selling and start making some big leaps in hardware, and soon..
Fail
I was expecting a dual core android 2.4 phone with physical keyboard and a android 3.0 tablet. None arrived...
Very dissapointed.
Was hoping for the Pyramid - something to rival the Galaxy S2 in terms of hardware specs.
I really want a HTC and was waiting for this news to determine how to proceed.
If you want the technology the Galaxy S2 seems to be the handset to get, but Samsungs TouchWiz just doesn't even compare to HTC's sense.
For me its the Desire S for now.....I need Sense in my life.
WHERE IS THE PYRAMID!!!!!!
remind me again why i should get rid of my N1?
oh yeah nothing... HELLO!!!! HTC!!! are you even trying anymore?
the only thing turing me off of the Atrix was the possible locked boot loader, and wanting to see what HTC was about to push out....
now that we have one thing off the list.... i feel that i may be leaving HTC for a while until they get their act together... maybe thats what they need... sales not to climb like they have, an actual slap to their bottom line that says consumers are done buying the same thing over and over... but sadly, even with the numbers we have, until the masses relize this, HTC sale numbers will continue to rise and no real reason for them to change...
in their eyes, if it aint broke, why fix it?
for me, its a total dissapointment.
i mean WTF ARE THEY THINKING
its the same ****.. AGAIN
there is still no phone that would be a REAL upgrade to my HD2..
i hoped for a new flagship.. i hoped it so bad..
i hoped for something that would frag all others away.. but they stay at the same level.. just to get even more money out from the same old **** >.>
only good thing of htc this time was the tablet. but thats it, and i guess they will overprice it, so i won't get it
i'll stick to my HD2. **** you HTC, u idiots
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like all of you, I'm very disappointed... where is my Pyramid!!?
Meh, totally under-whelming.
Build quality of the Desire S sounds nice, and i wouldn't mind having one, but it's not specced any higher than my N1 and of course is full of 'Sense' crap which i'd have to nuke from orbit before using the thing.
im really thinking of totaly switching to moto now
the atrix and the xoom tab are just too cool...
and more sexy.
Whats up Guys @ HTC
Every Smartphone producer shows their flagships at MWC this week, and HTC???
Not even one word about the Pyramid is in planning?
Sure we have to wait...
(it was the same with the Snapdragon 1GHz Processor, the TG01 was 4 months before the HD2 out)
And im pretty sure the wait was worth it!
So now we can buy soon (non HTC ):
- Many Dual core (even different Processors) Phones
- 3D Display Phones
- Ultra bright Display ( 700 Nit - Daylight usable) Phones
- Ultra thin and light (Dual Core) Phones (~8,5mm)
And whats coming from HTC? - only a "Sense" with streaming, and an "new" Facebook Button
Where is the Successor of the HD2
Come on HTC, you have to be the carriers of technology, dont get lost in Software ...
Phones are still made out of Hardware!!!
Give the people a Dream - a Dream we want to wait for :
Oh, and this will be such an Dream:
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The Galaxy S II has some fantastic hardware, but I decided because of the complaints people have about software updates etc that I would wait and see what HTC had on offer before making up my mind. Having seen it I have to wonder what exactly are they thinking? Sure they're well built phones, but why do they feel satisfied in pushing out fairly old hardware.
Cheap(er) hardware sells in bigger numbers.
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Cheap(er) hardware sells in bigger numbers.
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Of course. It may well be that they thought a more reasonably priced (if indeed they are reasonably priced) phone would be just what the market needs. It just seemed remarkably out of place for them to wax lyrical about phones that are remarkably similar to their current generation except with new software.
HTC should really make Sense downloadable through market as a launcher instead. I just hate it. It's ugly and doesn't really make a difference for me.
Regarding the new phones there is nothing really impressive. The new Tegra2 dual core phones that are coming out (LG and Motorola) will most likely blow any of those HTC phones away. I believe they also have integrated geforce graphics so nothing should really be an issue on those phones.
My Wildfire have been a disappointment so I wouldn't even consider a HTC phone again unless I was 100% certain I could make it good.
One devices than can beat the Desire HD?
I stopped paying attention to smartphones a long time ago.
But the HTC Flyer actually catches my attention as a useful Android tablet for once. No Honeycomb is a bummer (Android is already too fragmented!), but it does have an N-trig DuoSense digitizer and apps to use it with. More than I can say for a certain other US$800 Android tablet.
Maybe I won't have to keep looking specifically at Windows Tablet PCs for a viable pen and paper alternative.
Bummer! HTC where's the Pyramid and some Innovative devices??
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Bummer! HTC where's the Pyramid and some Innovative devices??
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yeah i really want my pyramid lol...said it on another thread and i will say it again...htc's releases have not been that great at least i didnt think so
It looks like Samsung has been forced to admit they are the ones working on the nexus prime, is anyone else as disappointed as I am about that?
Samsung accidentally confirms the Nexus Prime?
"To <recipient>
It has come to our attention that you are wrongfully in possession of, and intend to release or otherwise publicly disclose without Samsung’s consent, firmware for the Nexus Prime. By this letter, Samsung orders you to immediate cease, desist, and refrain from any and all such activities.
The Nexus Prime firmware is the exclusive property of Samsung and/or its partners, suppliers and affiliates. Any continued retention, use, or disclosure of Nexus Prime firmware, and/or Samsung’s confidential, proprietary, and trade secret information pertaining to Nexus Prime, will expose you to significant liability, both civil and potentially criminal.
Samsung expects your immediate compliance with the terms of this letter. You are instructed to contact my office immediately to discuss the return of Nexus Prime data in your possession and other remedial action. Samsung reserves all rights.
By this letter, you are also put on notice of your obligation not to alter, modify, delete, erase, or destroy, or cause or permit anyone else to alter, modify, delete, erase, or destroy, any evidence pertaining to the subject matter of this letter.
Thank you for immediate cooperation.
<Email sender>
General Counsel
Samsung Telecommunications America, LLC."
Eh...typical S. Korean mentality. They think they can intimidate people into doing what they want.
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Eh...typical S. Korean mentality. They think they can intimidate people into doing what they want.
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What does this have anything to do with south korean mentality? Someone has in their possession something that belongs to samsung that wasn't released to public and they're demanding that person to return it. That's an issue?
Is this any different than what jason chan from gizmodo went through with iphone4 leakage to a lesser extreme?
You've been ranting about samsung in every other post. If you don't like the company, just don't buy their product
I am very disappointed
i was hoping that htc will be the next one again
they did great job with nexus one
Someone on another site that reported on this stated that the letter didn't seem to be well enough written to be from a Samsung lawyer and the more I read it the more I start to agree. "By this letter?" Even I could find a dozen ways to say that in a more grammatically correct way...
LosT SpiriT said:
I am very disappointed
i was hoping that htc will be the next one again
they did great job with nexus one
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That's kind of what I'm thinking. I've never owned an android phone from Samsung so I don't have any first hand experience with them, but after hearing complaints about their lack of support and their under performing radios for Sprint I'm weary of them.
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Someone on another site that reported on this stated that the letter didn't seem to be well enough written to be from a Samsung lawyer and the more I read it the more I start to agree. "By this letter?" Even I could find a dozen ways to say that in a more grammatically correct way...
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I saw that too after reading some of the comments from people about it, they also fail to give a source for where they found it at. Although, by the looks of how Nexus Prime is highlighted it may have accidentally been indexed by Google. As Yale just found a few days ago Google is very good at finding stuff it's not supposed to and exposing it for the whole world to see.
LosT SpiriT said:
I am very disappointed
i was hoping that htc will be the next one again
they did great job with nexus one
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yes，agree with you.also like htc
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That's kind of what I'm thinking. I've never owned an android phone from Samsung so I don't have any first hand experience with them, but after hearing complaints about their lack of support and their under performing radios for Sprint I'm weary of them.
I saw that too after reading some of the comments from people about it, they also fail to give a source for where they found it at. Although, by the looks of how Nexus Prime is highlighted it may have accidentally been indexed by Google. As Yale just found a few days ago Google is very good at finding stuff it's not supposed to and exposing it for the whole world to see.
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Lack of updates only applies to the US carrier devices as the international version of galaxy s was updated to gingerbread before pretty much anyone else. Also this is a nexus device we're discussing here. No matter who the manufacturer is, update will be released on these devices first
the nexus s, was....meh, samsung pretty much was known to be making it ever since they announced the prime. that pic that was leaked a few months ago (the one with the phone sitting on the fur rug) i could have told you right away that was a sammy.
i'm not a big fan of the sammy's. mainly because without a rubber case or bumper, their phones are VERY VERY VERY VERY easy to drop.
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the nexus s, was....meh, samsung pretty much was known to be making it ever since they announced the prime. that pic that was leaked a few months ago (the one with the phone sitting on the fur rug) i could have told you right away that was a sammy.
i'm not a big fan of the sammy's. mainly because without a rubber case or bumper, their phones are VERY VERY VERY VERY easy to drop.
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I've just come to the conclusion that a massive water proof case in an added cost to any smartphone these days...
This is going to Verizon only?
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This is going to Verizon only?
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Well Verizon says they aren't getting the SGS2 because thy are already getting another Samsung device and Tmoble, Sprint and ATT are all getting the SGS2 refresh so it would appear to me that Verizon wont be the only carrier to get the Nexus Prime but it seems that Verizon may be the sole carrier for a limited time.
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Well Verizon says they aren't getting the SGS2 because thy are already getting another Samsung device and Tmoble, Sprint and ATT are all getting the SGS2 refresh so it would appear to me that Verizon wont be the only carrier to get the Nexus Prime but it seems that Verizon may be the sole carrier for a limited time.
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No Nexus device became available in CDMA only model when it launched. Either they are getting a world phone or they are getting it later ala Nexus S 4G
No way Google decides something like this. Bet my head on this
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No Nexus device became available in CDMA only model when it launched. Either they are getting a world phone or they are getting it later ala Nexus S 4G
No way Google decides something like this. Bet my head on this
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I hope you're right it would just seem odd to release the SGS2 then release the Nexus prime a couple weeks later...
When google first released the nexus s it wasnt directly thru tmobile. You had to go to best buy. I wonder if the nexus prime will be one phone for all carriers, one phone that is open with gsm/ cdma capability and all bands for world use.
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I hope that the email is fake lol Samsung's screens are aweful imo they have yellow tints to the whites and their phones always feel cheap. id like it to be made by HTC. Idk how the bid goes on to make the nexus line if its based off of $ it will be hard for another company to get the contract seeing how Samsung has deep pockets...
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I hope that the email is fake lol Samsung's screens are aweful imo they have yellow tints to the whites and their phones always feel cheap. id like it to be made by HTC. Idk how the bid goes on to make the nexus line if its based off of $ it will be hard for another company to get the contract seeing how Samsung has deep pockets...
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Samsung's screen is so awful that this late in the game, LG jumped into the amoled race :rollseye:
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Samsung's screen is so awful that this late in the game, LG jumped into the amoled race :rollseye:
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Just hate how the whites went white man the darker colors are nice but the fact that they can't get white whites annoy me also they need to make it qhd
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I have the nexus s and I got to say. It is a lovely phone. I am not happy or disappointed that they are making the next nexus. Personally I thought it would of been Motorola as Google have bought them out now. Or maybe LG was the other speculation. I hope this phone dont have the efs folder like the galaxy s and the nexus s has as that has caused a lot problem with people losing there imei number when flashing roms.
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Just hate how the whites went white man the darker colors are nice but the fact that they can't get white whites annoy me also they need to make it qhd
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Darker colors aren't the only ones to be excited about. Unlike most typical LCD panels which can't support the whole color gamut, amoled panels typically exceed the color gamut support along with other benefits such as overall thinner panel package and power efficiency difference from lack of backlight usage
oh yeah yellow tint is really bad on these phones right? In real life, my laptop screen looks more yellowish than my phone
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I have to say I am still pretty happy with my Nexus-S 4G. I am loving the stock/vanilla Android OS, after trying many different ROM's and launchers, I always seem to go back to the "pure" launcher and style. I do have the Oxygen ROM which is the base Android OS just tweaked and stripped to be very fast with good battery life.
I was tempted to get the Sprint Galaxy S2, while it is a great phone, probably the best Android device for sale right now, it just did not seem night and day radically better than my Nexus-S. The S II still runs Gingerbread and looks so similar to my Nexus I don't see the need to get that phone right now. And my Nexus is not slow by any means. I am eagerly waiting for the reveal of the next Nexus-Three device with "Ice Cream", that would be the first to tempt me away, or at least get Ice Cream running stock on my Nexus-S.
If there is any beef with this phone, it is the radio/network, and Sprint's poor 3G service lately. Hopefully we get good news next month when the CEO of Sprint discusses the future network plans on Oct 7th.
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Yeah I'm not complaining at all about it. I was running Pete's bb rom before this and his rooted stock before that. Now, I'm running miui. I thought, coming from the preference of vanilla ui, that who in the hell would want a rom that's a cross bastardized version of ios and touchwiz? I am/was under the thought that ios was very limited on what could be done with it.
Miui is really starting to grow on me. I'm almost ashamed to admit I'm getting the itch to get a new phone after my ns4g and it being the iPhone. I definitely want the nexus 3 too but those phones will probably be released very close to each other.
Unfortunately, I will have to deal with the looks and comments from my old lady, whenever I get a new phone. I will not give my ns4g to her because I see how she treats phones. I suppose one thing that would keep her quiet is if I got her an iPhone too. About 1500 for two new phones, full price, not eligible for upgrades yet. Sigh, it's only money right?
Yes.
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I plan to run this phone til the wheels come off.
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I plan to run this phone til the wheels come off.
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+1 x 10 = hell yeaaaaa.
I came from the g2x and can never be happier with this ns4g
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nexus s is my first smartphone and i would not try another the next time ...
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nexus s is my first smartphone and i would not try another the next time ...
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Nexus s is my first REAL smartphone
I've had or used extensively a mt3g, epic 4g, evo 4g, evo shift 4g, Droid x, huawei ascend 2 and an iPhone 3gs and of those I like my nexus the best. However, my mother in law just got a sensation 4g and if I'm honest, I think I'd enjoy that better.
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So I take it you prefer android over iPhone? Care to share your reasons for liking one and not liking the other?
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So I take it you prefer android over iPhone? Care to share your reasons for liking one and not liking the other?
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Open source. Multitasking. Variety. Google. Etc.
Edit: scratch that. Nexus S 4G.
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IMO, Nexus S is a piece of outdated hardware, since day 1, when it was release last year December 2010, at that very same time its brothers/cousins have been having way much better spec than it does.
the pure Android experience was not as fun as promised by the Nexus One hyped owners promised
So my next device will most definitely not be Nexus 3, which is yet another outdated antique, its SGS2 brothers/cousins has waaaaaaaaay better hardware than it does.
and we all know by now that support across Samsung devices is thriving like CM7 and all the countless of customized kernels and mods that you can find
The 2nd reason why i picked Nexus S, was simply because it was unlocked and works on AWS signal
there was nothing at the time, else i'd have most likely gone for a better phone
the lack of the SD slot is a major drawback, can't do things as i used to, i'm not having fun as i used to, all because of the missing space, the phone is just a phone right now, can't enjoy it as it ran out of space all the time, no matter how much stuff i send up to the clouds, there is never enough space for me
clouds is not cheap either if you don't have an unlimited internet for the phone
and the 3G speed is not that great to send up and down 500 meg of data whenever you feel like playing another game, or watching another movie
i'm sure this phone is more than enough or even great for most people, but i'm not most people
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I personally prefer android because of the ease of customization that can be done even without rooting. iOS devices are great, don't get me wrong. I'm not an iHater, but for me and my uses they don't work as well as Android. The reason iOS is so great is that it just works. Period. From the first boot to the last, an iOS device is going to work exactly like Apple intended it to.
The Android Vs. Apple debate is much akin to the Win Vs Mac debate. Apple builds its software to work on its hardware and it does, thats the reason I buy Mac laptops; in the 6 years I've owned them I've had three issues two of which were hardware failures and one was my wife's fault (she spilled soda on the keyboard). All three of the issues were solved on the spot by Apple with a total of 5 hours and $0.00 of my time and money lost to waiting and repairs. Five hours. When my wife's Compaq laptop got its THIRD motherboard recall in TWO years it took me three hours on the phone to find out I had found out about the recall one week late and was then told it would cost me $400 dollars and 4-6 weeks to get it. I ended up having to manually recover what data I could from her hard drive and the rest was lost.
Windows machines allow the user to do much more personal customization and give them much more choice in terms of hardware but the cost of that is a much higher level of system failure. Its the same way with android. I can't begin to account for the hours I've wasted setting up and customizing my wife's and my phones only to have issues come up and its all lost. I've lost count of the number of times I've had to run terminal commands to get my phone to even boot. If I had an iOS device, that probably wouldn't happen but I'd also not feel like my phone UI looks and runs like I want it to.
In a rather long-winded and round-a-bout way, the point I'm getting at is that if you want a phone that simply works, makes calls, gets texts, so and and so forth then iPhone is a great choice. But if you want a phone that you can hack to bits and make to be a reflection of your personality then Android is you choice. That's my opinion at least.
yes and no
leagues happier than my iphone but some what less impressed by others android phones. But hey it was free.
I don't understand everyone complaining of a lack of SD slot. It mounts so you can use it as a portable drive, it also allows a much higher I/O. There's not one thing that a removable SD card would allow me to do more than what I can do now except potentially lose a tiny piece of my phone.
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the internal SD doesn't have enough space, it just as simple as that
13GB fills up in a blink of an eye
I'm still happy with it for the most part. The only serious gripe I have at this point is RAM; it doesn't have enough to deal with the number of apps that like to run in the background eating up those tiny 2-5 MB chunks these days, and it doesn't always dump them from memory efficiently enough to play memory-intensive games nicely without first going in and killing processes. Also, it just came back from its second Best Buy repair, so... a little touchy hardware-wise perhaps.
I like vanilla Google and am not a huge fan of rooting and modding, though, so I'd be reluctant to move away from the Nexus line. I just hope the next one has a lot more RAM, and keeps a larger portion of it free at any given time for gaming. And is maybe less prone to needing to be fixed. >.>
RAM is not that bad, i can manage to constantly keep 75Mb free
is hard to trip enough Widgets to make that much free RAM
and make sure to not leave any app/game running in the background
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RAM is not that bad, i can manage to constantly keep 75Mb free
is hard to trip enough Widgets to make that much free RAM
and make sure to not leave any app/game running in the background
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Seriously? 75mb? Running services will always show me 240mb+ free ram.
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RAM is not that bad, i can manage to constantly keep 75Mb free
is hard to trip enough Widgets to make that much free RAM
and make sure to not leave any app/game running in the background
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The problem is when apps and games do run in the background, and there's no way to close them completely without going through task manager. Granted that's as much a complaint about the apps in question as about Android itself, but there will always be apps that don't behave properly in all respects. The OS should be able to handle them without user intervention.
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The problem is when apps and games do run in the background, and there's no way to close them completely without going through task manager. Granted that's as much a complaint about the apps in question as about Android itself, but there will always be apps that don't behave properly in all respects. The OS should be able to handle them without user intervention.
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Every app I exit out of, I exit with the back button for an exit dialog or use the menu-exit option. Never have 'stuff running'.
Some apps have components that always run(new facebook and google+ updates), I uninstall those apps and use the browser.
I don't experience what you're describing.
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I love Android Ice Cream Sandwich. I love the fluid user interface, the futuristic Holo theme, the aptly named Roboto font and its swipe-able UI elements among many other qualities. Hell, I love it so much that I’ve even started eating more Ice Cream Sandwiches ever since it was announced. ( just joking )
ICS is a completely new direction for Android, it is its first version that has a coherent design vision behind it, and its Director of User Experience, Matias Duarte has outdone himself. The care and love he has put in while designing it was pretty self-evident, that is, until OEM’s got their slimy hands upon its shiny, beautiful interface. ( yeah, Samsung, i am talking to you )
The crux of the matter is that Samsung just started rolling out its ICS update for its most popular smartphone to date, the Galaxy SII. And it is horrendous. Absolutely horrendous. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with it, except the fact that it looks EXACTLY the same as Gingerbread. Samsung have taken a revolutionary update to the Android operating system and turned it into an iterative one, which is behaviour that I cannot, in good conscience, condone. I am surprised that Google is not yet up in arms against such a base defilement of its beautiful child.
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Samsung’s logic states that it does not want to change an interface that millions of its users have now gotten used to, which, superficially, seems pretty sound. But, the problem is that people were expecting ICS to be an absolutely revolutionary change and as Nokia and Symbian have already shown us, companies should not keep sticking to a familiar UI and ebb the tide of progress while the world around them keeps evolving. It is a cut-throat world right now, you either innovate and move forward or stagnate and die.
Which brings us to future innovation from Samsung. The company is about to introduce its latest flagship smartphone, the Galaxy SIII. The question then arises as to what Samsung shall make of the software atop such a seminal device; will they again cater to legacy users and use the same version of TouchWiz as on the SGS2, or will they completely re-vamp the UI to accompany the new device? As the situation stands, both of the options present potential pitfalls. If they stick to SGS2’s UI, the tech industry at large would be completely disappointed, as Samsung would be the only company to blatantly ignore ICS to such an extent. On the other hand, if they do introduce a new UI, they would be fragmenting their own Android smartphone portfolio.
Samsung has already garnered a reputation for being very flaky with regard to their updates. They decided not to update the Galaxy S to ICS at all and all this further confusion might be a potential nail in Samsung’s coffin for the year 2012. That is just how fast a single bad decision travels among the tech fraternity in these times.
I don’t want to sound like an Apple fanboy, but this is one place where Samsung and the whole Android OEM conglomerate sorely need to learn the ropes from Apple. They update their phones regularly and consistently. You can still pick up the iPhone 3GS, launched 3 years ago and it would still have more or less the same experience as a newly minted iPhone 4S, while in Samsung’s case, every subsequent generation of their flagship ‘S’ line has a monumentally different experience. Come on Sammy, wise up!
The good ole' Galaxy S, is not getting an 'OFFICIAL' ICS upgrade, why? Because according to them, the RAM in phone is not enough to run the touchwiz and the other carrier added crapware, even when the Google Nexus S ca be updated to the latest ICS offering, which essentially have the same hardware.
If you take a look at the homescreen of the S II, one which is still on Gingerbread and the other one which is updated to ICS, you can barely notice any difference between them.
So, in the end, i just want to state that if samsung's gonna include touchwiz n it's next flagship, at least please update the touchwiz so that we can tell any difference between Gingerbread & ICS.
P.S. I want to add a link for a youtube video which shows two S II, kept side-by side, one Gingerbread & one ICS, but the forum rules doesn't allow me to post the link.
I agree, but the reason I don't like TW is not because of fragmentation, but because It's just so extremely ugly. I know this is a personal opinion, but I know many people agree with me and I can't see how Samsung can possibly have missed this and continues to use it.
Also the fact that it is so similar to gb TW is stupid. HTC understood that they had to renew themselves and created a, in my opinion, amazing skin
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yeah! this video, which i want to post, but the forum rules doesn't allow me to do so until i reach the 8 posts.
Anyways, thanks
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I agree, but the reason I don't like TW is not because of fragmentation, but because It's just so extremely ugly. I know this is a personal opinion, but I know many people agree with me and I can't see how Samsung can possibly have missed this and continues to use it.
Also the fact that it is so similar to gb TW is stupid. HTC understood that they had to renew themselves and created a, in my opinion, amazing skin
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yeah, they've completely bungled up the ICS update for S II, only because of the ugly touchwiz. i mean just watch the video once, one can hardly tell the difference between gingerbread & ice cream sandwich, if they want to upgrade the software just to make them look-alike then i guess that their next flagship will be just like their previous, at least when it comes to os
The two biggest cons for me are that Samsung updates horribly slow because of it and that it's plain ugly.
Gingerbread, TouchWiz and Sense are closer to the style of iOS, while Ice Cream Sandwich is closer to the modern Windows Phone 7 style.
I like that much more. The only thing that I find better in WP7 than in iOS and Android is the design of the User Interface.
to be honest I am using a port of the HTC One with Sense 4.0 and Htc did nearly the same thing. If you didnt tell me it was ICS I would think it was gingerbread with a new sense clock widget. I am not sure why the OEMs continue to do this. Maybe samsungs or htcs decisions suite some, but when the first thing I need to do with the HTC port is start yanking apks and adding different launchers to convince myself I am running ICS there is an issue
incredible step backwards. total gingerbread sh!t.
ruins the whole essence of ICS if you ask me.
damn you and your Galaxy Value Pack upgrades too!
I dont want to unlock my phone with my face OK?
Guys you have to understand. We are the 1% of their users. And even some of us prefer ugly UI (MIUI). The OEM will always do this. The UI is their branding on a phone. Most normal users like the way it looks. Personally I have not seem a good looking UI from anyone. All 2 tone colors and flat images. Thank god for custom themes. Lol
If you want regular updates then get a Nexus. When it comes to anything other then the nexus, the carriers have all the control over the updates. (At least in the states)
Some people don't know that you can disable defaults on twlauncher and go to stock launcher instead.
I've made simular comments in the past few months after the first leaked images of the Samsung ICS update.
I argued that what we are seeing is a midcycle update and not the rule of thumb for future devices.
Don't get me wrong, this by no means advocates samsungs decision to strip ICS of its looks and feature set. I'm merely able to understand that many millions of people have bought this phone (millions of very ordinary people) and this isn't like an upgrade from froyo to gingerbread where the notification bar gets changed to black. ICS is a different animal all together.
My mother chose her green screen nokia 3210 over a cybershot Sony Ericsson simply because she wasn't keen on the icon style UI. She has never strayed from nokia since even though they now have icons.
Its a fear of losing customers which has lead to such a timid update and samsung as a brand doesn't have the same innovative swagger as HTC let's say. Where as HTC customers are almost expecting HTC to make everything more glossy and spin around like a disco dancer every two weeks in an update.
My GSII is still amazing with gingerbread. I've changed the launcher which I would have done and will do no matter what they did with ICS. Orange UK will release the ICS update in the coming weeks and my expectations are safely low.
I don't believe this will be the case for the GSIII by the way. Plus I also here that samsung may be the first to offer a choice of the new TW ICS (that's not so locked to the gingerbread experience) and Vanilla ICS.
My fingers are crossed and anyway my next upgrade cycle isn't until next year when jellybean will be out and the GSIV or "the New GS" will be in full swing.
Booooom!
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ICS status bar battery is green! need I say more?
maybe they honestly tried, but with that touchwiz camoflauge, I have to do a double/triple take to see ICS.
SGS2:
Lol see the problem is, samsung believes in only changing the interface and adding true new features in their next flagship phone, unlike iOS where the new interface changes show up on older models. Samsung i hate you, and not by opinion but because i have the tab 8.9 and captivate and you havent done anything to fix their various bugs etc, so i have to rely on custom romsol
It's embarrassingly bad.
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I guess the rational is that too radical a change would upset the uninformed users
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ICS not support ad-hoc!!!
using ICS only 1 hour and i flash it back to gingerbread 2.3.6, at least my gb 2.3.6 can connect to ad-hoc network and ics CAN NOT!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24766415
yeah, samsung are just careless when coming to device maintaining, but i don't care as long as there are devs that make ports and roms that i love, and samsung releases sources !!!
I agree, I have not had a stock firmware on any of my android devices for longer than a day or so in years. I guess that is actually a pretty hurtful statement to the OEMs software though
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Hi, what are the steps to do so?
Thanks