What does the 60 fps mod/patch that is said to be a part of many custom ROMs do?
For me, I think 60 FPS usually speed up the UI of the system and other features. Try comparing a stock rom ICS to a 60 FPS JB rom. I have seen a difference when I upgraded from stock ICS to JMP V8. You can see the perfomance has increased.
shyamsn00 said:
What does the 60 fps mod/patch that is said to be a part of many custom ROMs do?
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Its mainly connected with the touch and is also called Project Butter in development sense...
It makes your display lot better responding than ICS...
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For me, I think 60 FPS usually speed up the UI of the system and other features. Try comparing a stock rom ICS to a 60 FPS JB rom. I have seen a difference when I upgraded from stock ICS to JMP V8. You can see the perfomance has increased.
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fps [ no. off frames displayed by the screen in 1 s ], from a gamer's POV, is a measure of the smoothness of transitions or generally anything that moves on the screen. The difference you say you see suggests the ROM has been optimized to display things smoother. In simpler words, faster.
asifsajjad786 said:
Its mainly connected with the touch and is also called Project Butter in development sense...
It makes your display lot better responding than ICS...
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As I have said in the previous post, fps is a measure of the smoothness of display, which can have no relation with touch. Also, Project Butter is making apps load/pre-fetch content while the app itself is "animated into our display", thereby seemingly speeding up things. So the 3 must be unrelated. No off..
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Hi
I am using Brainmaster's MIUI(the GB one) and i have tested both shadowgun and gta 3 in this rom and on ICS, CM7 and Oxygen.
On MIUI the performance is significantly worse. Is it the rom?maybe because it uses more ram or something. I have already deleted the file "libGLES_android.so" to improve performance and tried a new kernel but still have poor gaming performance when compared to other roms.
Can someone help me?
Thanks
i think it is because MIUI has more pretty UI , yes , more UI occupies more GPU resources
just like windows XP , if you compare XP theme (default of XP)and classic theme (that old one of win98 , Me or 2000 ) , you will feel great different about performance
So if there was an app that disabled Miui UI during gameplay(or something like that) then i would be able to play without performance loss?
I really like MIUI rom and its functionalities but this performance issue is bad=/.
Even with oc at 1.2 its still worse than other roms at 1.0...
in theory u would be right
try going into the main phone settings, developer settings, then enable "force gpu rendering".
simms22 said:
try going into the main phone settings, developer settings, then enable "force gpu rendering".
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He's in GB doesn't have force Gpu
Try disabled high quality draw
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thanks for the help guys, but i dont want a pretty rom(even if it has some useful features) if it affects performance this much. I thought that it wouldn't affect much because i still get a lot of free ram. Even tried ram manager pro in high gaming mode but it didn't help so i went back to ics.
migueldbr said:
thanks for the help guys, but i dont want a pretty rom(even if it has some useful features) if it affects performance this much. I thought that it wouldn't affect much because i still get a lot of free ram. Even tried ram manager pro in high gaming mode but it didn't help so i went back to ics.
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i have been running MIUI back in GB time with no such problem as you.
disable high-quality drawer, and use GO launcher ex, this is what i did , pretty good
qtwrk said:
i have been running MIUI back in GB time with no such problem as you.
disable high-quality drawer, and use GO launcher ex, this is what i did , pretty good
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hum...maybe you didnt notice it?i only notice this in games that use serious gpu power, like shadowgun, gta3 etc...
anyway if i get back to the rom i will keep that in mind and try out the things you said.
thanks
i have "Heavy gun" and "Asphalt6" in my phone , except first few seconds have lag, and then all goes well
Try installing Chainfire3D from Market. It might help.
I have noticed that sometimes when scrolling through the different home screens it will be a very slow rolling effect. But other times it will snap between them quickly. Now I know that I can install a different launcher like Go Launcher to get different types of transition options, but I want to keep the stock launcher. So is there some setting or way to make these transitions snap quickly? I have tried spare parts, and blade buddy which have settings to speed up, slow down, or turn off page transitions but have no effect. Thanks
Try GoLauncher, transitions are nice and smooth.
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its called LAG. thank you SAMSUNG.
but 2 more cores and maybe we'll see if we can fix it with a software update.. lol
I want to use stock launcher but yea I know what u mean. I don't think its lag. Bcuz transitions are pretty smooth overall. Its just that sometimes it has this slow motion effect like its some bug with transition animation
chrisrotolo said:
its called LAG. thank you SAMSUNG.
but 2 more cores and maybe we'll see if we can fix it with a software update.. lol
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HC Stock launcher is a resource hog. If you have Nvidia instead of Sammy, it's going to be more laggy.
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melcali said:
I want to use stock launcher but yea I know what u mean. I don't think its lag. Bcuz transitions are pretty smooth overall. Its just that sometimes it has this slow motion effect like its some bug with transition animation
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When the CPU is running at high frequencies, it's able to handle the transition. However it's not always at highest frequency and when the switch to high frequency is not fast enough, you observe the slow animations.
If its a hardware issue, then why does it never happen with Go Launcher?
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If its a hardware issue, then why does it never happen with Go Launcher?
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Go Launcher is way more light weight than the Stock HC launcher.
Go Launcher can be smooth on low specs Android devices so it's almost always smooth on our "high end" tablet.
This problem exists due to the fact that Honeycomb does NOT rely on the GPU for those graphic transitions. In fact, HC does not have hardware acceleration! We just have to wait for ICS to role out for our Galaxy Tabs Plus in order for us to enjoy a butter-smooth UI transtitions.
ICS has hardware accel. so it won't be a problem. The 1.2 ghz dual-core Exynos is powerfull enough
IMO the stock phone is extremely fast and smooth. With 2GB ram I also haven't seen any apps being forced out of memory.
So with a custom rom, all the speed tweaks etc, what exactly is improved over the stock phone. Do apps launch faster, less lag etc? Are there any videos comparing stock vs custom (esp AOSP vs TW) ?
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IMO the stock phone is extremely fast and smooth. With 2GB ram I also haven't seen any apps being forced out of memory.
So with a custom rom, all the speed tweaks etc, what exactly is improved over the stock phone. Do apps launch faster, less lag etc? Are there any videos comparing stock vs custom (esp AOSP vs TW) ?
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I personally just used AOSP for about a day, switched back due to a few bugs, but it was definitely speedy quick. Faster than stock? Yes for sure, but stock is super fast as it is. As for AOSP vs TW, i'd love to stay on AOSP but i love the TW camera and just can't get over not having it You should try custom roms for each one and just see what you prefer
If you look on YouTube you will find several reviews on roms currently available for our gs3.
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At this point in time they offer no advantage over stock. Hopefully one day they will but Samsung did such a great job on the stock Rom for a change that our custom roms are a little faster but with a few things broke or bad battery life or bad 3g/4g hand off.
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At this point in time they offer no advantage over stock. Hopefully one day they will but Samsung did such a great job on the stock Rom for a change that our custom roms are a little faster but with a few things broke or bad battery life or bad 3g/4g hand off.
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good post! :good:
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At this point in time they offer no advantage over stock. Hopefully one day they will but Samsung did such a great job on the stock Rom for a change that our custom roms are a little faster but with a few things broke or bad battery life or bad 3g/4g hand off.
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I agree 100%.
I have tried every ROM available at this point & I always end up going back to the setup in my sig.
I always chuckle when I read post claiming a ROM is smoother/faster/less lag etc than a completely debloated stock ROM like CleanROM or Synergy. Talk about the ultimate placebo affect......
Most have issues but many offer huge advantages from deep functionality to deep customization. If those interest you, perhaps small issues in stability or data usage are a worthwhile tradeoff. Not to mention that the simple fact that you CAN do such a thing is a very fun and educational experience about what is special with android.
Also, debloated, over clocked TouchWiz Roms like CleanRom are faster and able to be set up for greater battery savings. Without question. It's a large field! Have fun by doing, you can always go back without cost!
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The title of the thread was "...how fast..." I've posted on this before. Can we humans detect the subtle differences? Are the new roms simply a placebo effect of speed? I don't know.
What I look to are facts. The only facts we can use in comparing roms are the benchmarking tools. I have tried many different roms...Incu's, Slim's, Synergy's, Phantom, etc.....I have recently been flashing the Incubus Jellywiz roms pretty regularly, but got frustrated with some of the bugs ( more on these later ). So I went and retried the latest Slim and Synergy.
I can say. There was a perceptable difference between Slim/Synergy vs. Jellywiz. So I did a benchmark test. I tested each rom under pretty much the same conditions.
1. Flash the latest.
2. Disable the same Allshare/Samsung crap.
3. Load all my apps using Titanium.
4. Let the Rom settle for a most of the day
5. Test in the evening
No Overclocking...No other special changes.
I tested Using Antutu and Quandrant Standard....Slim and Synergy were about the same...in the high 4k's...around 4800 Antutu. Incubus' Jellywiz is always around 7800. Slim/Synergy was around 4800 in Quadrant, Jellywiz is consistantly up near 6000.
There are trade-offs / bugs / features....but...if you're looking for speed, I don't think you can find anything faster that Jellywiz.
The latest Custom has a custom overclocking kernal....for fun I bumped it up to 1800mhz and ran a 9500 Antutu. right now I'm running 192min 1200max and still pull a 7200 antutu score.
You pick:
> Speed = Jellywiz
< Bugs = Custom stock
My $0.02
CleanRom 2.1 with the CleanKernel 1.2 runs excellent for me, no problems, definitely quicker than stock, very smooth.
CROMI-X 5.2.4 vs Cyanogen Mod 11 nightlies vs Omni Rom 4.4.2 vs CMB beta vs Paranoid Android 3.6 vs PAC- Man 3.99
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I'm sticking with Omni. Smoothest and kitkat. Tried cm11 and cromi-x 5.2 with various kernels
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I'm sticking with Omni. Smoothest and kitkat. Tried cm11 and cromi-x 5.2 with various kernels
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Do you have any benchmarks?
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Do you have any benchmarks?
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I used to play with benchmarks, trying out Hunds' & _that's various kernels. But, as most people say, benchmarks don't matter in the long run.
I used to match some of the same benchmarks posted in those threads, but things would still feel slugglish over time or during transitions.
I don't want to wait a few seconds for my keyboard to pop up every time, of for me to switch back to the home screen.
So for me, I want a tablet (and phone) that I don't have to reboot every day. I want it to wake up instantly. Keyboard pop up instantly. Multitask smoothly.
CM11 & Omni seem to do that, while Cromi-X seems to lag no matter that I try or whatever sbdags & co do to tweak the hell out of 4.2.x. Sure, a the IO lag has a lot to do with it, and if I'm downloading a big file or have something installing in the background I will always have lag with this tablet.
But, for now, I'm on Omni and pretty happy. If not, I'd say CM11 is very smooth too.
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So it's just me who finds omni rom extremely laggy? What kernel and mods and stuff are you using???
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I have found all the cm11 based ROMs very laggy so far. They don't seem to be optimised for the tf700t yet. Maybe need a bit more time?
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I used to play with benchmarks, trying out Hunds' & _that's various kernels. But, as most people say, benchmarks don't matter in the long run.
I used to match some of the same benchmarks posted in those threads, but things would still feel slugglish over time or during transitions.
I don't want to wait a few seconds for my keyboard to pop up every time, of for me to switch back to the home screen.
So for me, I want a tablet (and phone) that I don't have to reboot every day. I want it to wake up instantly. Keyboard pop up instantly. Multitask smoothly.
CM11 & Omni seem to do that, while Cromi-X seems to lag no matter that I try or whatever sbdags & co do to tweak the hell out of 4.2.x. Sure, a the IO lag has a lot to do with it, and if I'm downloading a big file or have something installing in the background I will always have lag with this tablet.
But, for now, I'm on Omni and pretty happy. If not, I'd say CM11 is very smooth too.
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I've made a lot of improvements in CROMi-X 5.3 to combat the lag when something is using the disk in the background. It's a lot better now than it was on the last few versions.
There's never going to be a definite answer on this. How do you define "lag"?
What are you looking for in your rom?
How do you use your tablet?
You just have to try them all and decide for yourself...
I'm always like: ???????????? when someone reports lag on CROMi-X. I just don't get it, because I don't have it.....
I tried CM 10.2 and CM 11 on this tablet and I found them to be slower and (to me more importantly) a hell of a lot buggier than CROMi-X!
But again: I guess not only beauty but also lag and performance is in the eye of the beholder....
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I have found all the cm11 based ROMs very laggy so far. They don't seem to be optimised for the tf700t yet. Maybe need a bit more time?
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I've made a lot of improvements in CROMi-X 5.3 to combat the lag when something is using the disk in the background. It's a lot better now than it was on the last few versions.
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@sbdags did an amazing job with 4.2. So did hunds and _that. No disrespect. Just after running 4.2 for a long time, I'd like to run something newer as long as it's responsive. I don't care about benchmarks as I said before.
I'm hoping sbdags have the chance to do the same with 4.3 or 4.4 if Asus releases it for the 700, or 701 and then back port to the 700.
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@sbdags did an amazing job with 4.2. So did hunds and _that. No disrespect. Just after running 4.2 for a long time, I'd like to run something newer as long as it's responsive. I don't care about benchmarks as I said before.
I'm hoping sbdags have the chance to do the same with 4.3 or 4.4 if Asus releases it for the 700, or 701 and then back port to the 700.
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Newer and frankenrom'd doesn't translate into "better" IMHO.. But everybody rolls differently...
sbdags released his beta for the TF701 on 4.3 already. There won't be much porting back though - Tegra4 framework is just too different. But I bet the roms for the Tf701 will be even better because he has so much experience with tweaking the Asus roms
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There's never going to be a definite answer on this. How do you define "lag"?
What are you looking for in your rom?
How do you use your tablet?
You just have to try them all and decide for yourself...
I'm always like: ???????????? when someone reports lag on CROMi-X. I just don't get it, because I don't have it.....
I tried CM 10.2 and CM 11 on this tablet and I found them to be slower and (to me more importantly) a hell of a lot buggier than CROMi-X!
But again: I guess not only beauty but also lag and performance is in the eye of the beholder....
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Have you watched the Google's 2012 I/O keynote where Google introduced Android 4.1 and Project Butter? Google has clearly defined what they perceive as lag in Android as situations where the UI's frame rate drops below 60 fps and you can clearly see stutter in animation, which is why Google also introduced Systrace to profile app performance. If the frame rate drops significantly below 60 fps (which I always encounter in the stock app drawer), you will see things like transition effect stutters when swiping between pages or the laggy fly-in effect when you open the app drawer. If you have a Nexus 10 to compare, the difference in terms of frame rate is so apparent that it is almost impossible not to notice. If someone had a high-end camera that can capture 60 fps or 120fps videos like the one Google used to demo Android 4.1, we could easily capture all these instances of lags on videos and had a more scientific discussion. To me, the Nexus 10 is the gold standard of 10-inch tablet performance and I have yet to see another non-Nexus 10-inch tablet (besides the iPad, if I may) that deliver the same level of performance, regardless of ROMs being used.
Moreover, not to discount the work that the xda community has put into improving performance, there are simply too many ways that you can make an Android device drop frames here and there. Even powerful devices like the Note 3 can fail to deliver constant 60 fps UI frame rate. I'm sure with the right combination of widgets and apps, you can also make the Nexus 10 stutter. Or simply, you can just fill up 90% of the internal storage and watch how the performance degrades. To be honest, it is much harder to believe that there is no lag at all, regardless of devices and ROMs that you use. Even Google said that Project Butter is not perfect and still an ongoing effort.
Lastly, workload can also dramatically affect performance and make instances of lags more noticeable, so your usage pattern is a factor. Personally, even on CROMI-X, my tablet could become really laggy if I used it for my work like the other day, even with only 3 apps in my recent apps list: Adobe Reader to read a big pdf file (a 100-page annual report of a company, with a lot of text and images), the stock Browser to research relevant information with around 10 tabs, one being facebook desktop site (seriously, the facebook desktop site is really terrible on Android), Merriam Webster Dictionary app to look up certain words, all in landscape mode. In that scenario, my tf700 performed just like a big slide show.
+1 all the way.
BUT reg the Nexus: No external storage - no deal. For me......
berndblb said:
+1 all the way.
BUT reg the Nexus: No external storage - no deal. For me......
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I am in the same boat as you, which is why I am very excited to see more of those Google Play Edition devices. I highly doubt that there will ever be a Google Play Edition Transformer tablet, but it would be fantastic to have one.
CMB
I switched from CROMi-X to CMB (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2577165) a couple of days ago and I am really happy with it.
@lj50036 has done a great job and so far I haven't had any issues/sluggishness although it is based off CM11. The dock works like a charm as well
The only thing that did not work was being able to use ART on CMB for me.
I've been using the stock MIUI for a week and then I switched to Resurrection Remix (I've been using it for 5 days)
Gaming performance on MIUI was good, but adaptive refresh rate was making some games like CoD Mobile lag because refresh rate drops to 30hz when not touching the screen.
I'm currently using Resurrection Remix and I really love it, but performance in CoD Mobile is terrible. It's literally unplayable and the game crashes constantly.
Which ROM has the best performance in games?
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I've been using the stock MIUI for a week and then I switched to Resurrection Remix (I've been using it for 5 days)
Gaming performance on MIUI was good, but adaptive refresh rate was making some games like CoD Mobile lag because refresh rate drops to 30hz when not touching the screen.
I'm currently using Resurrection Remix and I really love it, but performance in CoD Mobile is terrible. It's literally unplayable and the game crashes constantly.
Which ROM has the best performance in games?
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there is no best ROM, there is only ROM best for you and you alone can say this is the best ROM for me because this or that, so test f.e. NOS11 or ArrowOS with custom kernel Sonic X, Stormbreaker, F1xy etc. and you will see what is best for you
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there is no best ROM, there is only ROM best for you and you alone can say this is the best ROM for me because this or that, so test f.e. NOS11 or ArrowOS with custom kernel Sonic X, Stormbreaker, F1xy etc. and you will see what is best for you
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I know that there's no "best ROM".
Everyone has their own preferences.
I was just asking for the best ROMs for gaming performance (that can be measured with benchmarks and FPS monitoring, and it's not a matter of personal preference)
And thanks for the answer. I'm gonna try those 2 ROMs and those kernels.
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I know that there's no "best ROM".
Everyone has their own preferences.
I was just asking for the best ROMs for gaming performance (that can be measured with benchmarks and FPS monitoring, and it's not a matter of personal preference)
And thanks for the answer. I'm gonna try those 2 ROMs and those kernels.
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Well I Been tested a lot of roms on xiaomi Devices I found that the stock Miui and Xiaomi.Eu roms the best for gaming experience. Otherwise you will need to "Find the Best Kernel" for any AOSP roms cause in these roms gaming experience will follow the best Kernel not the rom
Also, there is a fix for refresh rate. You need to open settings > display > refresh rate and change it to 60, then go to settings > apps and ensure you are showing system apps.
Navigate to the battery & optimisation app and clear data. Then change the refresh rate to 120, it'll now stick in all apps.