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ITC Judge Rules in Favor of iPhone against HTC

Anybody seen this yet? I wonder what it means in the long run...
ITC Judge Rules in Favor of Apple in HTC Patent Case
http://www.newsy.com/videos/itc-judge-rules-in-favor-of-apple-in-htc-patent-case
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*refers the op back a page in the general section to: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1171256

yareally said:
*refers the op back a page in the general section to: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1171256
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Ah, thank you. My apologies, I generally spend my time in the development and/or mod section. I posted it here cos it has no relevance in either.
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CLoft239 said:
Ah, thank you. My apologies, I generally spend my time in the development and/or mod section. I posted it here cos it has no relevance in either.
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sure no problem, lol

yareally said:
sure no problem, lol
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that judge has his hand in apples pockets.

bthomp21 said:
that judge has his hand in apples pockets.
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Wasn't a judge or even in east texas. The International Trade Commission ruled on it, but HTC has already appealed it.

Patents are getting out of hand...you can patent anything and everything, and its becoming a hinderance on development of new technologies. Sad really.

marlin29311 said:
Patents are getting out of hand...you can patent anything and everything, and its becoming a hinderance on development of new technologies. Sad really.
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Yea the worst part of all is companies like *cough* Apple patenting things are are pretty much the concept or idea of a small company and call it their own. The small company doesn't have the means to fend for itself.... Sad really...

I have Thunderbolt and I love it, but lets be honest... There were no phones that offered the iPhone user experience before iPhone. Everyone really came just after trying to ride the wave and a lot of things just got well lets say "borrowed".
No hard feelings, it's the simple truth wether we liked it or not.

milan03 said:
I have Thunderbolt and I love it, but lets be honest... There were no phones that offered the iPhone user experience before iPhone. Everyone really came just after trying to ride the wave and a lot of things just got well lets say "borrowed".
No hard feelings, it's the simple truth wether we liked it or not.
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Everyone borrows from everyone. Always do and always will. Apple is just the least likely one to admit they do (which they do and always have [just google xerox gui os apple])

All it means is HTC will have to make payments to Apple. No doomsday stuff.
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yareally said:
Wasn't a judge or even in east texas. The International Trade Commission ruled on it, but HTC has already appealed it.
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ITC Judge Rules in Favor of Apple in HTC Patent Case
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oh ok! sorry i must have missed that.

well........
milan03 said:
I have Thunderbolt and I love it, but lets be honest... There were no phones that offered the iPhone user experience before iPhone. Everyone really came just after trying to ride the wave and a lot of things just got well lets say "borrowed".
No hard feelings, it's the simple truth wether we liked it or not.
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As someone else said, everybody copies everybody else.......
Some fact to clear things up.
The first touchscreen phone was the IBM Simon, launched in 1992. During this decade the popular iPaq (not made by Apple by the way) was launched with touchscreens and optional phone attachments. In 2002, HTC, the leader in touchscreen phones, launched the the HTC Wallaby aka XDA (The first mass release touchscreen mobile phone). Later, the iPhone and makers of phones like the Nexus One launched their first touchscreen phone.
And, I don't remember where I got the following, but, it is absolutely true:
"We just couldn’t help but take a few minutes to point out some of the interesting announcements from Apple’s WWDC today. They brought forth iOS5 (well not until Fall), which basically introduced long-time Android feature after long-time Android feature – something we are finding to be hilarious. While I’ll try to refrain from tossing out too many little jabs since so many of the people in this world lack a sense of humor on the Apple vs. Android subject (“why you so bitter!?” -Twitter), I’ll just say that this marks a pretty important day for Android. It’s now clear that Android has moved well beyond Apple on the innovation scale when it comes to mobile software. For a company that continues to stand on stage and put up twisted statistics, one that claims to have invented everything, and one that takes cheap shots at every other company in the industry even while the rest of them have moved on, we couldn’t help but giggle a little.
With the introduction of notifications, OTA updates, tabbed browsing, cloud services, a mobile IM program, and the ability to activate a device without having to connect to a PC, the roars from the WWDC crowd could be felt across the interwebs. We can’t fault iOS fans for cheering today – after all, they should have been enjoying all of these features for years now. What we’ll do though, is remind them that swiping, notifying, tabbing, clouding and customizing became the norm if your phone ran on a green powered mobile OS years ago."

Predictions of HTC's Demise are Premature

Here's some interesting comments from an analyst's report issued by Deutsche Bank that was just published. Clearly Samsung and Apple are the top two smartphone manufacturers and nothing's going to change that in the foreseeable future. The analyst talks about HTC's position in the 3-5 (next tier down) category. He lowered his target price a bit but retained a "hold" rating on their stock which means the sky isn’t falling as some would suggest.
HTC to remain competitive: Deutsche Bank
By Jeffrey Wu - 2012/07/24
Taipei, July 24 (CNA) Taiwanese smartphone maker HTC Corp. will maintain its competitiveness with product innovations despite intensified competition in the global mobile market, Deutsche Bank AG said Monday in a research note.
The German bank estimated that HTC shipped 9 million units in the second quarter, a decrease of 24 percent from the same period a year ago.
The decline in shipments would be less steep, however, than the 39 percent fall expected for Finnish phone maker Nokia Oyj and the 26 percent drop forecast for BlackBerry maker Research In Motion, the bank said.
Nokia shipped an estimated 10.2 million smartphones in the second quarter while Research In Motion shipped 7.8 million units, according to the bank.
"We think these developments indicate the intensified competition among the No. 3-5 vendors in the smartphone space," Deutsche Bank analyst William Yang wrote in the note.
"On the other hand, we see HTC's leading competitiveness in the No. 3-5 group," he said.
Yang mentioned that Microsoft Corp. has announced that HTC will be one of its key partners in launching Windows 8 smartphones in the second half of 2012, a move in contrast to the company's strategy for the Windows 7 version, which primarily supported Nokia.
"We think it indicates that HTC's competitiveness and relationship with OS (operating system) providers remain solid," he added.
Other upside factors for HTC, Yang said, include better-than-expected market share expansion in Europe and Asia driven by HTC's continued product innovations and a faster-than-expected 4G (fourth-generation) smartphone adoption rate in the U.S.
Despite these potentially positive factors, however, Deutsche Bank trimmed its target price for HTC to NT$365 (US$12) from NT$400 and kept a stock rating of "hold" because of intensified competition from arch rivals Samsung Electronics Co. and Apple Inc.
As of 10:11 a.m. Tuesday, HTC shares had fallen 2.26 percent to NT$280.50 in Taipei trading.
Deutsche Bank forecast that HTC's revenue will reach NT$98.7 billion in the third quarter of this year, up 8 percent from the second quarter, and that the company's operating margin will improve to 10.6 percent in the third quarter from 9 percent.
The bank also expected HTC's shipments to decline from 45 million units in 2011 to 39 million units in 2012, with its average selling price forecast to shrink from NT$355 to NT$325 during the year.

confused is this positive or negative jk
where does Asus fall

Very keen to try W8 and maybe make the switch.
Played with a Nokia 800 lumina and its very smooth. Actually smoother than the one x.

mickfitz said:
Very keen to try W8 and maybe make the switch.
Played with a Nokia 800 lumina and its very smooth. Actually smoother than the one x.
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have to agree with that one..my mum has a nokia lumia 710 and it is buttery smooth compare to my one x

mickfitz said:
Very keen to try W8 and maybe make the switch.
Played with a Nokia 800 lumina and its very smooth. Actually smoother than the one x.
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try JB and then talk to us about smooth

I have to admit I like the animations of Windows Phone 7 more, it not necessarily is more smooth but the animations themselves FEEL smooth, and are quite unique. Thing I don't like about Windows Phone is that multitasking is "fake" like iOS.
I must say that the One series is most likely going to be the comeback of HTC as a whole, consumers I think will prefer the looks of HTC phones over Samsung's plastic-y looks, even if specifications are worse.

hamdir said:
try JB and then talk to us about smooth
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Hamdir you crack me up
I think HTC should be #1 but I'm just a fanboy :angel:

a704e said:
I have to admit I like the animations of Windows Phone 7 more, it not necessarily is more smooth but the animations themselves FEEL smooth, and are quite unique. Thing I don't like about Windows Phone is that multitasking is "fake" like iOS.
I must say that the One series is most likely going to be the comeback of HTC as a whole, consumers I think will prefer the looks of HTC phones over Samsung's plastic-y looks, even if specifications are worse.
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Consumers will prefer the most marketed phone. Period. It is sad to see that no one learned from Apple about that (except maybe Samsung). People will buy anything that makes them think they are "cool" no matter how s#itty it really is. Remember the first iPhone? It even didn't have BT transfer (not to mention 3g, GPS, etc) which even the "dumb" phones had and it was selling like water in the desert. Why? Because Apple knows how to market to the masses.
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Tbh the iphone still doesn't really have much of a BT transfer.
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they may well of shipped 9 million units, but what isn't mentioned is they probably received 5 million back with faults.

backfromthestorm said:
they may well of shipped 9 million units, but what isn't mentioned is they probably received 5 million back with faults.
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that is pure and utter BS
Enough with the FUD!

oh god pls dont bring in windows
if it happens i'll buy samsung

I'm not the only one on my 3rd one x. some are on their tenth.
or maybe that doesn't impact on profit at all. if it doesnt, then yes hamdir, bs. But, it does.
I'm not interested in, or predicting their demise, I'm only making an observation that seems to be overlooked when reasoning why profits are down.

tkolev said:
Consumers will prefer the most marketed phone. Period. It is sad to see that no one learned from Apple about that (except maybe Samsung). People will buy anything that makes them think they are "cool" no matter how s#itty it really is. Remember the first iPhone? It even didn't have BT transfer (not to mention 3g, GPS, etc) which even the "dumb" phones had and it was selling like water in the desert. Why? Because Apple knows how to market to the masses.
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IMHO Apple designs their products to "sell themselves" - if you watch any of their TV adverts or look at their banners, they pretty much just feature a picture of the device. The reason is that they design the product to look good and look attractive above all else. Remember that most consumers don't really care about what kind of specs a device has and wouldn't even dream of modding it.

backfromthestorm said:
I'm not the only one on my 3rd one x. some are on their tenth.
or maybe that doesn't impact on profit at all. if it doesnt, then yes hamdir, bs. But, it does.
I'm not interested in, or predicting their demise, I'm only making an observation that seems to be overlooked when reasoning why profits are down.
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i am on my third and in fact opened over 10 defected ones, but my third a winner
but the point is it was just a rotten batch mate
HTC is known for their build quality and that doesn't change with one hiccup, i bought dozen a of devices from them, all build like freaking rock-ship
my wife drops her sensation XL daily where the back cover flies and still scratch free, dont make me start on how many times my DHD flew in the air than hit the asphalt and the sensation was also premium
the One V and S are sexy, really u claim 5 million defected devices just because we had some bad luck with early bad batch?
as for the One X there is no phone in the market right now better looking and better built, im sorry don't let the HT/SH 24 batch blind your eyes

tkolev said:
Consumers will prefer the most marketed phone. Period.
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This isn't true. There's always people categorized as "individualists" or "contrarians" that are repelled by conformity and wouldn't own an Apple product because of its banality. With the SGS3 selling in the quantities Samsung's projecting the same thing will start to occur. Ironically, Apple got its start appealing to that very audience with their "think different" and "1984" campaigns. I personally will never own an Apple product because I'm a devout contrarian.
backfromthestorm said:
they may well of shipped 9 million units, but what isn't mentioned is they probably received 5 million back with faults.
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And I'm sure you're using this forum to draw that conclusion. I'd say there are probably 5-7K One X owners participating in this forum. That's .0007 percent of the 9M phones HTC's sold. That gives new meaning to statistically irrelevant. If the return rate was as bad as you're suggesting it would show up in their financials as expenses going through the roof. There expenses were up 1% which on billions of dollars of sales isn't in any way meaningful. And by the looks of the SGS3 forum Samsung's getting as many i9300's back with AMOLED display issues as HTC is for One X QC defects.

Still a downgrade from "buy" to hold doesn't look good, usually it means it's preparation for a "sell" advice
edit: whoa, HTC actually seem way undervalued: http://www.google.com/finance?q=TPE:2498 or the market are have already calculated in a big drop in revenue

BarryH_GEG said:
This isn't true. There's always people categorized as "individualists" or "contrarians" that are repelled by conformity and wouldn't own an Apple product because of its banality. With the SGS3 selling in the quantities Samsung's projecting the same thing will start to occur. Ironically, Apple got its start appealing to that very audience with their "think different" and "1984" campaigns. I personally will never own an Apple product because I'm a devout contrarian.
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Well, good for you. But companies don't care about individuals, they care about profit. So you either make exclusive product and sell it at 1000% of what it really costs (and I mean the whole research, developement, testing, marketing, production and logistics process, not the pointless calculations based on the price of the hardware some sites are so found of) or you make a product for the masses and make a profit from the volumes you sell. And if being the latter, you can't count on the "individualists" to carry you to the top. Samsung got where they are now by marketing the **** out of a inferior display technology in the SGS and creating one good followup product (SGS 2). Unfortinatelly, HTC fails to do so. They seem to lack the resources to make a marketing campaign which will create a hype about any of their products and they miserably fail with their followup products (desire s, anyone?) which leaves them wondering on their flagships. First it was the Desire, then the Sensation, now it's the One and you can't create a brand if you change the name every year or so.
Don't get me wrong, I too won't buy Apple or Samsung device (being an Android developer iOS is out of question and I hate the messed up colors on AMOLEDs, which Samsung puts on every one of their flagships) and want HTC to continue to make superb products like the HOX but in today's economy they need to find a proper way to do so and they need to find it fast.
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BarryH_GEG said:
And by the looks of the SGS3 forum Samsung's getting as many i9300's back with AMOLED display issues as HTC is for One X QC defects.
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what kind of amoled issues?

shiningarmor said:
oh god pls dont bring in windows
if it happens i'll buy samsung
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There's always the possibility one day in the future Samsung will roll out Tizen and what may happen to Android on their own phones. At the moment Android is its biggest seller.
I think W8 phones will help HTC but then again if W8 proves to be a smashing hit they will face stiff competition from Nokia and the likes. Imagine a pure view handset incorporating W8 will be quite a hit.
Would have been nice to have a Nokia android device but hey will never ever happen!
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Android R.I.P. - The Grips of Jobs' Dead Hands

Android, and every other touchscreen OS, (besides iOS) you might as well say goodbye to...
Apple now has the power to destroy Android, Windows Phone, and any other iOS Touchscreen Competitor... Steve Jobs wins this round (for now anyways...)
How long before Apple has the S3 Pulled? This is the top iPhone competitor besides the DROID RAZR Series, with the S3 far ahead...
Check this out:
http://www.acsyndicate.net/apple-aw...ts-the-possible-end-of-android-as-we-know-it/
This could spell the end for Android and this phone, and I will not be a happy camper if I can't upgrade because of Apple... I will throw a major tantrum!
Google, act & appeal fast and fix this mess!!!!
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I am not saying this will happen, but is quite possible if the government doesn't block Apple in their tracks from doing so... (I think once Google Appeals, these parents will be made standard for touchscreens...)

deedscreen said:
Android, and every other touchscreen OS, (besides iOS) you might as well say goodbye to...
Apple now has the power to destroy Android, Windows Phone, and any other iOS Touchscreen Competitor... Steve Jobs wins this round (for now anyways...)
How long before Apple has the S3 Pulled? This is the top iPhone competitor besides the DROID RAZR Series, with the S3 far ahead...
Check this out:
http://www.acsyndicate.net/apple-aw...ts-the-possible-end-of-android-as-we-know-it/
This could spell the end for Android and this phone, and I will not be a happy camper if I can't upgrade because of Apple... I will throw a major tantrum!
Google, act & appeal fast and fix this mess!!!!
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If this ever happens i would rather go back to a flip phone or have none at all. I would never give apple any of my money.

I refuse to get an Apple device, but this won't effect available devices in stock or on eBay, so good Android devices will be very rare if this goes the way Apple wants... I'll tell you one thing, eBay prices for Android Devices will go sky high.... (used or not...)
Edit: I miss flip phones anyways, so I'll go old school if I have to...

i have an ipad, and this makes me want to smash it. Apple, you do not own the world, you were not the first to create a "list" on an electronic device. If your so afraid of Samsung, then just build a darn phone with a bigger screen, i wont buy it, but tons of other people would. Fair competition is good for business, it keeps ingenuity alive and keeps engineers pushing the limits of what can be done. Competition is THE ONLY REASON we have the superphones we have now. If apple owns all the rights to make anything that even resembles a smartphone, we will have the iphone 4s renamed and sold as a new product for the next decade.
Whoever the judge is that granted that patent, is an idiot.

it will never happen. Nothing to add.

Well some of what this says they currently have rights to like list view is bs because before the first iPhone was released I was able to use list view on Windows mobile for years. So unless I've miss read, something isn't right or maybe my aging memory is wrong.
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Bagbug said:
it will never happen. Nothing to add.
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I know you said nothing to add, but my point is Apple had been on a wining streak, so hopefully the government fixes this and makes these touch screen parents standard...

Bagbug said:
it will never happen. Nothing to add.
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tjb433 said:
I have an ipad, and this makes me want to smash it.
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Do a factory reset, sell it, buy a Galaxy Tab, then shove it in your Apple Store representatives face showing features that the iPad doesn't have... No reason to smash something worth hundreds, (although the company who makes it is pure evil...) But I agree with what you were saying completely...

tjb433 said:
Whoever the judge is that granted that patent, is an idiot.
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I wanted to say that in my article, but couldn't so I said the judge made a "very poor decision".

deedscreen said:
Do a factory reset, sell it, buy a Galaxy Tab, then shove it in your Apple Store representatives face showing features that the iPad doesn't have... No reason to smash something worth hundreds, (although the company who makes it is pure evil...) But I agree with what you were saying completely...
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I was actually thinking of doing this over the past few weeks, i had an android tablet a few years ago, but the number and quality of apps was underwhelming, how is it now?

tjb433 said:
I was actually thinking of doing this over the past few weeks, i had an android tablet a few years ago, but the number and quality of apps was underwhelming, how is it now?
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I have the HTC EVO View, while I am not a fan of HTC, nor the EVO Series, I don't regret the purchase... Now there is wayyy more support for tablets and specialized tablet UIs.... Now just make sure you get a high end one that will be upgraded to Jelly Bean... (It's not worth getting one on a data contract, as you can tether from your phone to your tablet...)
Note: The EVO View nor HTC Flyer will NOT Get ICS nor JB so don't even bother...

This is utterly ridiculous google needs to stop sitting on their hands and be more aggressive.
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androidaddict23 said:
This is utterly ridiculous google needs to stop sitting on their hands and be more aggressive.
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You couldn't have put it any better... This happened around the 17th of this month... and we (the public) have yet to hear of any response from Google...

This is for USA only other countries won't tolerate this bs. Only in the USA. Where they're are so proud of apple for outsourcing jobs that Americans badly need smucks.
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Android is here to stay. Google and samsung have some pretty good lawyers too. It's total BS that this kinda stuff even goes on. The only people getting rich on this are the lawyers. If they were smart, they'd sit across from each other at a conference table and make a truce and move on.
Now that Jobs is dead, it's just a matter of time before Apple slips into irrelevance. Nobody there has the passion he had about his company, and nobody is gonna defend it like he did.
That 40 billion they have will be squandered away on bogus patent law suits. Money that could have been spent on more cutting edge development. Everybody knows that patents are crap. Your better off not even applying for a patent and get the thing to market first. By the time they figure out what you did, you come up with something new. A patent application is an invitation and a headstart for everybody else to steal your idea. The company thats ahead of the development curve, and gets it to market fast and furious, makes the money.
Boo hoo...they stole my idea:crying:

Apple is a joke. This is what happens when they feel threaten by a competitor. I will give it to Apple the iPhone was a brake through, but since then Android came out and is user friendly with developers willing to make the devices better and faster more customizable. Making the Android OS just better period. Apple needs to realize there are other players in this game so step up as Android HAS. They know Android IS the future and their scared they will be left behind. Lol I laugh a Apple, I'm going to tell them like I do any young kid with a bad attitude grow up.
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deedscreen said:
I wanted to say that in my article, but couldn't so I said the judge made a "very poor decision".
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The court should get sued for taking away our right to choose what we want to purchase. I will rather NOT have a phone or an old crappy phone than own a crapple device. I will order my phones through China or Japanese manufactures. but owning a crappy device I will not!

Good read here as well arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/02/if-android-is-a-stolen-product-then-so-was-the-iphone/
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Oh and just to add a good question shouldn't someone sue Apple for using someone else's technology like LCD, LED screens, let them have the right to the patents a lot it would do them with a device with no screen.
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What next for samsung?

My only hope for Samsung is that they take a huge risk with the next phone, they have the tech to blow any phone away and I hope they set a new level far beyond other phones.
As we have seen Samsung are sitting on some very nice processor/gpu chips, add to that the whole flexible screen tech and other stuff we have yet to see.
They can bring it out when they like but as with most companies they give it to you in little stages, I mean look at the PS3 Xbox360, both have been around far too long, the new machines should have been out a year or so ago, the problem was/is us, we kept buying the machines, there was no reason for the companies to bring out new tech as we are happy to spend money on these ones, most firms will not move on if the old product is selling well.
Its kind of like this for our phones, why jump from say a 1mp camera to a 10mp when people will be happy with a 3mp, then the year later do a 5mp, if you jump to the extreme early on you soon run out of new things to help sell a product (Look at the Iphone3/3g/3gs and its little changes that were wow to so many and yet really were “are you kidding me my i8910 does that and more”)
Anyway point been Samsung can bring out a phone that will blow us all away, it would really screw other firms as it would force them to use tech they were dripping out to us, this is not something they want to do as it puts production costs up and it means they have to get creative, all these things cost a company a load of money.
If Samsung could afford to do this it would sort a lot of issues out, it would help show the world just how bad Apple really are, it would put an end to Samsung having to conform to Apple lawyers and turn it all around.
Maybe its just a silly thought but they can do this, it all comes down to cost, but I think the loss/maybe loss on the next tech would be worth it just to put them way ahead of the game.

Could you divide that text up in paragraphs to make it easier to read?

I thought it was divided into paragraphs.
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It's all up to Apple, ask them what is allowed..
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Apple are pathetic and i had a feeling they (would pay the judges off) win this case, mind you even though 1 billion is a serious amount of money to most to Samsung it's a drop in the ocean and if anything they will come out of this better as the hype surrounding their new flagship phone to replace the Galaxy S3 most probably next year will be huge and ive a feeling it will be a masterpiece.

Surely enough is enough! I cannot believe how corrupt the US Courts are.

Amrut223 said:
Surely enough is enough! I cannot believe how corrupt the US Courts are.
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It is not the court, but started in patent office that allowed all those bull**** patents to be registered and them the jury that has no idea about patents and yet decides about their validity.

Its been said already but look at a few facts.
America vs Korea
Case held in America, Held in California which is Apples home state....and the 12 random people? well at a guess its their home state=not a chance in hell.
There is a interview with one of the 12 and he even shows how fake it all was, he says that within the first day they all agreed that Apple was in the right, and yet a few lines later he says that they took the full amount of time given to look at the evidence and come to a decision=eh? you just said it was agreed on the 1st day?
Funny how over in Korea the case was 50/50 both pay up and both behave....state side Samsung please bend over while we shaft up.

Guys accept it! We lose the battle, we don't have any creativity, we are copying instead of innovating. Now is the time to say that I really regret buying this phone. Well I got an Xperia S so I'm still happy

LokiDemi said:
Guys accept it! We lose the battle, we don't have any creativity, we are copying instead of innovating. Now is the time to say that I really regret buying this phone. Well I got an Xperia S so I'm still happy
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Sony is not innovating either
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LokiDemi said:
Guys accept it! We lose the battle, we don't have any creativity, we are copying instead of innovating. Now is the time to say that I really regret buying this phone. Well I got an Xperia S so I'm still happy
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accept what? apple will sue sony one day for the very same multi touch patent and then you will how poor it is
anyway this topic is nowhere related to s3....

Arsaw said:
Sony is not innovating either
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You're wrong kid, in fact Google is experimenting Xperia S for AOSP. Read the news. Sony is "Quiet but Deadly"!

LokiDemi said:
You're wrong kid, in fact Google is experimenting Xperia S for AOSP. Read the news. Sony is "Quiet but Deadly"!
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You called that innovating?
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bala_gamer said:
accept what? apple will sue sony one day for the very same multi touch patent and then you will how poor it is
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No, Sony will not be sued by apple for the very same multi touch patent, it's an Android feature. Google will be sued, this means all android 2.2 and up will be affected.

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No, Sony will not be sued by apple for the very same multi touch patent, it's an Android feature. Google will be sued, this means all android 2.2 and up will be affected.
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Then tell me why it didn't happen? Though its android feature with the likes of company like apple you don't have any surety for net getting sued.
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You called that innovating?
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Just watch and see kid. Just watch and see
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bala_gamer said:
Then tell me why it didn't happen? Though its android feature with the likes of company like apple you don't have any surety for net getting sued.
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Because Sony designed the iphones

What's next for Samsung? I know consorting with chip manufacturers stopping giving chips to Apple, iPhone fails and Samsung stops selling phones in America.
Then Apple has personally screwed all Americans over and they will call for blood and Apple dies.
I think that's reasonable.
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What's next for Samsung? I hope finally a phone without a physical home button. They'll presumably stop copying iPhone after this, so there'll be no reason for that button.

Yeah wonder how long the deal is with them to sell them chips, just wonder if they will pass when deal runs out.
I dont think the US knows just how fu%&ed they will be if Android phones were pulled from their shops.
But I guess the deal is worth a load of money as around 30% of the iphone4s was made by Samsung.
After all this I would think Apple are not well liked in Asia now?
I know it will not happen but I would love to see Samsung bring out a big leap in tech for their phones and not be sold in US, might wake people up to what they are missing.
As for Sony, they will do their thing, they have some nice looking phones but they always seem like a year behind most others.

@OP ( didn't wanna quote your whole post), first, ps3 and Xbox360 are fine, I think next year is when they should introduce the new generation. Second, Samsung will be just fine. They already have hardware power for decades, they just need to work on their designs. I'm sure they will innovate and do very well, they are just getting started. It sucks but it's normal that Apple is coming this hard at Samsung cause Sammy is really a threat to Apple. This whole patent thing is bogus and gives too much power to Apple and no room to innovate for the other OEMs. This is why I don't respect Apple, they don't want any competition they just want to monopolize everything. Google and it's partners need to take some sort of action against Apple to prevent things like that dumb trial from happening.
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HTC sell his mobile division to the Google

what is the feature of HTC u11 if google buy HTC
Can HTC support after selservice their service center
Can HTC or google give feature update for HTC
If google give updates than what is meaning if we get pure Android or HTC own sense ui

If you mean the future of HTC if Google buys them, no one knows, this is just a rumor at the moment.

I would guess that they would continue to support their devices. But I doubt we would see anything like a new UI or anything like that.

Even if this is true, the amount of paperwork, legal work, etc that will be involved will still make it take a pretty long time. I doubt google would be maintaining older devices after such a transition is complete, or if they did, I doubt it'd be any device other than the u11.

I think we get new ui if google updated it because google will never customize it's device differently according to different breand

But right now it's very worst thing was happening to HTC because after making u11 they didn't sell his device like Samsung or iPhone

First Google will do a due diligence after signing a letter of intend. That can take weeks even months and when that report is on the table negotiation about the price and in which form this take over will be done. Partially buying stocks (means HTC will keep a percentage of the stocks) or buy all the stocks. Keep the name HTC or ditch it. All these kind of things must have been decided on first before any final contract is signed. So can take even months.
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It's not hard for Google to support U11 bcoz it is just a 2nd ver of Pixel XL in my point of view. The good is we will receive updates faster, the bad is probably no more Sense UI but AOSP and Google Camera.
HTC decided to sell U11 at a lower price won't help their finance, they don't make much mony from it but good to improve HTC mobile image and sell it to Google.

If Motorola is any indication, Google will strip HTC of its patents and spin it off to fend for itself.
There is a big problem with Google acquiring HTC though - Apple will challenge the cross-licensing agreement they have with HTC and open the flood gates to the court room.
That said, Google needs HTC's VR tech if it wants to compete with Apple so if they can overcome the challenges of the acquisition, they would have an amazing VR platform of their own to take on Apple in the AR space.
As for the UI? HTC devices would keep their Sense UI and new devices would be AOSP or custom like the Pixels. Maybe Google will give the option to keep Sense or go to their UI to all current devices in the flagship support tree (HTC 10, Ultra, U11 most likely with all older devices deprecated). It wouldn't be hard to implement. The only thing that really holds back AOSP ROMs is HTC's custom hardware not having support.

Let's hope its not another Motorola situation and HTC gets killed off for sake of some Chinese company. HTC is legendary in Android and would be a shame if they went under

Today HTC holds an huge fan party in Guangzhou Hilton hotel for its 20 years anniversary.
According to some friends there, they asked the question of "HTC & Google" story, the answer from a high level director is like: "it's rumor, we're not gonna respond. But I can tell you it won't happen this year, and I don't know yet how would the future goes".
So, relax....

Alpert3 said:
Today HTC holds an huge fan party in Guangzhou Hilton hotel for its 20 years anniversary.
According to some friends there, they asked the question of "HTC & Google" story, the answer from a high level director is like: "it's rumor, we're not gonna respond. But I can tell you it won't happen this year, and I don't know yet how would the future goes".
So, relax....
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Well that's normal behavior to keep everyone calm mate. Believe me no one in such complex negotiations would state "yes we're wellwithin them". Even to close fans I'd do the same an tell them "no comment". On the other hand it's not gonna happen this year is just logical. Even if they come to an agreement the implementation pages would need months.
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5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
Well that's normal behavior to keep everyone calm mate. Believe me no one in such complex negotiations would state "yes we're wellwithin them". Even to close fans I'd do the same an tell them "no comment". On the other hand it's not gonna happen this year is just logical. Even if they come to an agreement the implementation pages would need months.
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This rumor has been going on since before the first Pixel released so they may be further along in talks than we think. Google wants to make its own devices and HTC is the most suitable option for purchase. It's a purchase that would make financial sense right now too with HTC's mobile division bleeding so badly. It is definitely sad that HTC went from being the cutting edge being the first company to jump on Android to being a has been in the mobile world.

5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
Well that's normal behavior to keep everyone calm mate. Believe me no one in such complex negotiations would state "yes we're wellwithin them". Even to close fans I'd do the same an tell them "no comment". On the other hand it's not gonna happen this year is just logical. Even if they come to an agreement the implementation pages would need months.
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Who told you my friends at the party are just a bunch of fans of HTC...lol

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This rumor has been going on since before the first Pixel released so they may be further along in talks than we think. Google wants to make its own devices and HTC is the most suitable option for purchase. It's a purchase that would make financial sense right now too with HTC's mobile division bleeding so badly. It is definitely sad that HTC went from being the cutting edge being the first company to jump on Android to being a has been in the mobile world.
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Yeah that's exactly what I am thinking two.
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That said, Google needs HTC's VR tech if it wants to compete with Apple so if they can overcome the challenges of the acquisition, they would have an amazing VR platform of their own to take on Apple in the AR space.
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Except that the most recent info was specifically about Google acquiring the mobile unit and not the VR unit.

Alpert3 said:
Who told you my friends at the party are just a bunch of fans of HTC...lol
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LMAO. It kinda looks like from your signature you might have some inside sources Lol. Thanks Buddy.

LibertyMonger said:
LMAO. It kinda looks like from your signature you might have some inside sources Lol. Thanks Buddy.
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Low key, low key. Haha. Hope in the end I am not lied by my friends. In which case it will make me feel awkward.

HTC will most likely dissolve within Google being a manufacturing arm if the deal goes through. There is hardly anything in the world that can save HTC mobile division from it's own demise now. I hope once once and if acquisition through they will keep some support to they smartphone. I am also glad that eventually I didn't opt for U11 just to be on the safe side of the things.

All right, I am embarrassed...
COO got me fooled.