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massive attack to ANDROID

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/go...e-attack-2011-04-22?link=MW_story_latest_news
massive attack to androd

u know the saying once ur on top everyone wants to knock u off.. But thanks for that great article.

Everybody suing everyone now days

movieaddict said:
u know the saying once ur on top everyone wants to knock u off.. But thanks for that great article.
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yeah man thats all about it

anthonys2r said:
Everybody suing everyone now days
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apple, those whores always tend to do that.... the the main suers ..**** apple

I hope no such thing as shutting down Android happens else Ima bomb the apple building
Android is waaaaaaay better than apple OS, sorry I like saying this again n again lol
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This is old news, regarding Oracle. That article would make you think Android is about to crumble, and that is not the case. At least he points out that re-writing the code, slightly, would make this go away.
Google has way too much power/$ to not fix this for Android, which has exceeded their expectations wildly.
In short, do not fret. Apple just being scared, as they should be.
Just like Jobs said recently via an email that Android is tracking people and that they do not.... ignoring all the articles about apple tracking people lately.
EDIT, haha, just noticed he said Symbian would likely benefit (which is dead).... sad considering how much Nokia stock I own (frown face)

The iphone makes up 50% of Apples revenue stream now so Android is a massive threat to their business. Totally idiotic for a company or that size to have most of their eggs in one basket if you ask me.
Personally i think competition is good and keeps the market honest, but all this patent trolling that's going on is just ludicrous. It's no better than kids fighting over marbles in the playground.

bosina said:
apple, those whores always tend to do that.... the the main suers ..**** apple
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This is not accurate.
All the big mobile companies sue each other in circles, it is not the fault of a single entity.

DirkGently1 said:
The iphone makes up 50% of Apples revenue stream now so Android is a massive threat to their business. Totally idiotic for a company or that size to have most of their eggs in one basket if you ask me.
Personally i think competition is good and keeps the market honest, but all this patent trolling that's going on is just ludicrous. It's no better than kids fighting over marbles in the playground.
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This also is not really accurate.
How can you compare a hardware/software vendor to a software vendor?
When google is able to claim it makes the hardware its software runs on, then you can start saying Android is a "threat" to apple.
Google and Apple are entirely different beasts. Apple makes money when it sells its hardware, it includes the software "free" with its devices and it has always done this with any of its products.
Google makes software for multiple vendors, and makes zero hardware.

Apple has always been pretty sue-happy, moreso than other phone/computer manufacturers.
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its their way of trying to slow down growth of its competitors. like tripping your opponent in a 100 yard dash as hes about to pass you.

Erra said:
When google is able to claim it makes the hardware its software runs on, then you can start saying Android is a "threat" to apple.
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Really? So more people buying Android smart phones and the market share slowly tilting to Android's favor is not a threat to the sales of the iPhone?
I guess Windows is not a threat to Apple since Microsoft doesn't make computers then, right?

I sue u
u sue me lol just keeps on going
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Erra said:
This also is not really accurate.
How can you compare a hardware/software vendor to a software vendor?
When google is able to claim it makes the hardware its software runs on, then you can start saying Android is a "threat" to apple.
Google and Apple are entirely different beasts. Apple makes money when it sells its hardware, it includes the software "free" with its devices and it has always done this with any of its products.
Google makes software for multiple vendors, and makes zero hardware.
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Isn't the nexus a Google device?
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i would like to add 1 small piece to this although apple are a hardwar/software vendor it does contract out to people like samsung , so this apple google is also apple samsung writ , android and samsung together is a bigger threat to apple and apple think by sueing (as most companys do and would do in the same situation) both samsung and google may slow them down or as is most likely with the release of all the new smartphones ie galaxy s 2 and new nexus phones will generate a feelling within buyers that apple sell a better product because others are copying , this is not a serious attempt to stop android but with the timing so close to may first release date for sgs2 is more of a marketing exercise , for instance when google lost a case recently they had to pay 5 million $ where as if they had payed for the licence out right may have cost them 50 million $ dont take these figures to seriously but you get the idea this is the way business works and will carry on working as has been said before apple will still buy from samsung google will still develop android licences will be paid for in one form or another and someone will use somebody elses idea to improve their own and tommorrow will be another day

Thank you for the information.

Erra said:
This also is not really accurate.
How can you compare a hardware/software vendor to a software vendor?
When google is able to claim it makes the hardware its software runs on, then you can start saying Android is a "threat" to apple.
Google and Apple are entirely different beasts. Apple makes money when it sells its hardware, it includes the software "free" with its devices and it has always done this with any of its products.
Google makes software for multiple vendors, and makes zero hardware.
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shinkinrui said:
Really? So more people buying Android smart phones and the market share slowly tilting to Android's favor is not a threat to the sales of the iPhone?
I guess Windows is not a threat to Apple since Microsoft doesn't make computers then, right?
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Erra completely misses the point but shinkinrui saves the day by pointing that out for me. Nothing more to say really.

psiops said:
...but you get the idea this is the way business works and will carry on working...and someone will use somebody elses idea to improve their own and tomorrow will be another day
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Well put!
(5 to go)

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Isn't the nexus a Google device?
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Sort of, it's powered by google as all android phones are, but it isn't MADE by google, it is made by HTC, and the Nexus S is made by Samsung. Google works with the companies closely for these phones, but the phones themselves are not manufactured by google, and I'd be willing to bet google doesn't design the phones and pic the internal components to them either so much, they probably have some influence, but I'd be surprised if they had complete control when it is the manufacturer who stands to make or lose money on the phone based on sales.

Predictions of HTC's Demise are Premature

Here's some interesting comments from an analyst's report issued by Deutsche Bank that was just published. Clearly Samsung and Apple are the top two smartphone manufacturers and nothing's going to change that in the foreseeable future. The analyst talks about HTC's position in the 3-5 (next tier down) category. He lowered his target price a bit but retained a "hold" rating on their stock which means the sky isn’t falling as some would suggest.
HTC to remain competitive: Deutsche Bank
By Jeffrey Wu - 2012/07/24
Taipei, July 24 (CNA) Taiwanese smartphone maker HTC Corp. will maintain its competitiveness with product innovations despite intensified competition in the global mobile market, Deutsche Bank AG said Monday in a research note.
The German bank estimated that HTC shipped 9 million units in the second quarter, a decrease of 24 percent from the same period a year ago.
The decline in shipments would be less steep, however, than the 39 percent fall expected for Finnish phone maker Nokia Oyj and the 26 percent drop forecast for BlackBerry maker Research In Motion, the bank said.
Nokia shipped an estimated 10.2 million smartphones in the second quarter while Research In Motion shipped 7.8 million units, according to the bank.
"We think these developments indicate the intensified competition among the No. 3-5 vendors in the smartphone space," Deutsche Bank analyst William Yang wrote in the note.
"On the other hand, we see HTC's leading competitiveness in the No. 3-5 group," he said.
Yang mentioned that Microsoft Corp. has announced that HTC will be one of its key partners in launching Windows 8 smartphones in the second half of 2012, a move in contrast to the company's strategy for the Windows 7 version, which primarily supported Nokia.
"We think it indicates that HTC's competitiveness and relationship with OS (operating system) providers remain solid," he added.
Other upside factors for HTC, Yang said, include better-than-expected market share expansion in Europe and Asia driven by HTC's continued product innovations and a faster-than-expected 4G (fourth-generation) smartphone adoption rate in the U.S.
Despite these potentially positive factors, however, Deutsche Bank trimmed its target price for HTC to NT$365 (US$12) from NT$400 and kept a stock rating of "hold" because of intensified competition from arch rivals Samsung Electronics Co. and Apple Inc.
As of 10:11 a.m. Tuesday, HTC shares had fallen 2.26 percent to NT$280.50 in Taipei trading.
Deutsche Bank forecast that HTC's revenue will reach NT$98.7 billion in the third quarter of this year, up 8 percent from the second quarter, and that the company's operating margin will improve to 10.6 percent in the third quarter from 9 percent.
The bank also expected HTC's shipments to decline from 45 million units in 2011 to 39 million units in 2012, with its average selling price forecast to shrink from NT$355 to NT$325 during the year.

confused is this positive or negative jk
where does Asus fall

Very keen to try W8 and maybe make the switch.
Played with a Nokia 800 lumina and its very smooth. Actually smoother than the one x.

mickfitz said:
Very keen to try W8 and maybe make the switch.
Played with a Nokia 800 lumina and its very smooth. Actually smoother than the one x.
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have to agree with that one..my mum has a nokia lumia 710 and it is buttery smooth compare to my one x

mickfitz said:
Very keen to try W8 and maybe make the switch.
Played with a Nokia 800 lumina and its very smooth. Actually smoother than the one x.
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try JB and then talk to us about smooth

I have to admit I like the animations of Windows Phone 7 more, it not necessarily is more smooth but the animations themselves FEEL smooth, and are quite unique. Thing I don't like about Windows Phone is that multitasking is "fake" like iOS.
I must say that the One series is most likely going to be the comeback of HTC as a whole, consumers I think will prefer the looks of HTC phones over Samsung's plastic-y looks, even if specifications are worse.

hamdir said:
try JB and then talk to us about smooth
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Hamdir you crack me up
I think HTC should be #1 but I'm just a fanboy :angel:

a704e said:
I have to admit I like the animations of Windows Phone 7 more, it not necessarily is more smooth but the animations themselves FEEL smooth, and are quite unique. Thing I don't like about Windows Phone is that multitasking is "fake" like iOS.
I must say that the One series is most likely going to be the comeback of HTC as a whole, consumers I think will prefer the looks of HTC phones over Samsung's plastic-y looks, even if specifications are worse.
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Consumers will prefer the most marketed phone. Period. It is sad to see that no one learned from Apple about that (except maybe Samsung). People will buy anything that makes them think they are "cool" no matter how s#itty it really is. Remember the first iPhone? It even didn't have BT transfer (not to mention 3g, GPS, etc) which even the "dumb" phones had and it was selling like water in the desert. Why? Because Apple knows how to market to the masses.
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Tbh the iphone still doesn't really have much of a BT transfer.
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they may well of shipped 9 million units, but what isn't mentioned is they probably received 5 million back with faults.

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they may well of shipped 9 million units, but what isn't mentioned is they probably received 5 million back with faults.
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that is pure and utter BS
Enough with the FUD!

oh god pls dont bring in windows
if it happens i'll buy samsung

I'm not the only one on my 3rd one x. some are on their tenth.
or maybe that doesn't impact on profit at all. if it doesnt, then yes hamdir, bs. But, it does.
I'm not interested in, or predicting their demise, I'm only making an observation that seems to be overlooked when reasoning why profits are down.

tkolev said:
Consumers will prefer the most marketed phone. Period. It is sad to see that no one learned from Apple about that (except maybe Samsung). People will buy anything that makes them think they are "cool" no matter how s#itty it really is. Remember the first iPhone? It even didn't have BT transfer (not to mention 3g, GPS, etc) which even the "dumb" phones had and it was selling like water in the desert. Why? Because Apple knows how to market to the masses.
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IMHO Apple designs their products to "sell themselves" - if you watch any of their TV adverts or look at their banners, they pretty much just feature a picture of the device. The reason is that they design the product to look good and look attractive above all else. Remember that most consumers don't really care about what kind of specs a device has and wouldn't even dream of modding it.

backfromthestorm said:
I'm not the only one on my 3rd one x. some are on their tenth.
or maybe that doesn't impact on profit at all. if it doesnt, then yes hamdir, bs. But, it does.
I'm not interested in, or predicting their demise, I'm only making an observation that seems to be overlooked when reasoning why profits are down.
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i am on my third and in fact opened over 10 defected ones, but my third a winner
but the point is it was just a rotten batch mate
HTC is known for their build quality and that doesn't change with one hiccup, i bought dozen a of devices from them, all build like freaking rock-ship
my wife drops her sensation XL daily where the back cover flies and still scratch free, dont make me start on how many times my DHD flew in the air than hit the asphalt and the sensation was also premium
the One V and S are sexy, really u claim 5 million defected devices just because we had some bad luck with early bad batch?
as for the One X there is no phone in the market right now better looking and better built, im sorry don't let the HT/SH 24 batch blind your eyes

tkolev said:
Consumers will prefer the most marketed phone. Period.
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This isn't true. There's always people categorized as "individualists" or "contrarians" that are repelled by conformity and wouldn't own an Apple product because of its banality. With the SGS3 selling in the quantities Samsung's projecting the same thing will start to occur. Ironically, Apple got its start appealing to that very audience with their "think different" and "1984" campaigns. I personally will never own an Apple product because I'm a devout contrarian.
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they may well of shipped 9 million units, but what isn't mentioned is they probably received 5 million back with faults.
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And I'm sure you're using this forum to draw that conclusion. I'd say there are probably 5-7K One X owners participating in this forum. That's .0007 percent of the 9M phones HTC's sold. That gives new meaning to statistically irrelevant. If the return rate was as bad as you're suggesting it would show up in their financials as expenses going through the roof. There expenses were up 1% which on billions of dollars of sales isn't in any way meaningful. And by the looks of the SGS3 forum Samsung's getting as many i9300's back with AMOLED display issues as HTC is for One X QC defects.

Still a downgrade from "buy" to hold doesn't look good, usually it means it's preparation for a "sell" advice
edit: whoa, HTC actually seem way undervalued: http://www.google.com/finance?q=TPE:2498 or the market are have already calculated in a big drop in revenue

BarryH_GEG said:
This isn't true. There's always people categorized as "individualists" or "contrarians" that are repelled by conformity and wouldn't own an Apple product because of its banality. With the SGS3 selling in the quantities Samsung's projecting the same thing will start to occur. Ironically, Apple got its start appealing to that very audience with their "think different" and "1984" campaigns. I personally will never own an Apple product because I'm a devout contrarian.
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Well, good for you. But companies don't care about individuals, they care about profit. So you either make exclusive product and sell it at 1000% of what it really costs (and I mean the whole research, developement, testing, marketing, production and logistics process, not the pointless calculations based on the price of the hardware some sites are so found of) or you make a product for the masses and make a profit from the volumes you sell. And if being the latter, you can't count on the "individualists" to carry you to the top. Samsung got where they are now by marketing the **** out of a inferior display technology in the SGS and creating one good followup product (SGS 2). Unfortinatelly, HTC fails to do so. They seem to lack the resources to make a marketing campaign which will create a hype about any of their products and they miserably fail with their followup products (desire s, anyone?) which leaves them wondering on their flagships. First it was the Desire, then the Sensation, now it's the One and you can't create a brand if you change the name every year or so.
Don't get me wrong, I too won't buy Apple or Samsung device (being an Android developer iOS is out of question and I hate the messed up colors on AMOLEDs, which Samsung puts on every one of their flagships) and want HTC to continue to make superb products like the HOX but in today's economy they need to find a proper way to do so and they need to find it fast.
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BarryH_GEG said:
And by the looks of the SGS3 forum Samsung's getting as many i9300's back with AMOLED display issues as HTC is for One X QC defects.
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what kind of amoled issues?

shiningarmor said:
oh god pls dont bring in windows
if it happens i'll buy samsung
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There's always the possibility one day in the future Samsung will roll out Tizen and what may happen to Android on their own phones. At the moment Android is its biggest seller.
I think W8 phones will help HTC but then again if W8 proves to be a smashing hit they will face stiff competition from Nokia and the likes. Imagine a pure view handset incorporating W8 will be quite a hit.
Would have been nice to have a Nokia android device but hey will never ever happen!
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[DISCUSSION] Google to give 20 percent of Motorola's employees pink slips

I found this rather interesting. A few months ago Google finally closed the deal on its acquisition of Motorola Mobility, replacing the old CEO with its own handpicked successor. Now the company is expediting its plans to consolidate Motorola. In the latest report, the search giant is getting ready to do some major restructuring, which will result in a 20 percent cut (about 4,000 people) of the handset maker’s workforce. This isn’t so much of a surprise as many executives had already hit the exit once the deal was done.
The way this job reduction will playout is Motorola’s operations in Asia and India, as well as its R&D spending in Chicago, Sunnyvale, and Beijing — is getting a drastic cut. Google’s goal is to trim down the fat on such a bloated company; a company that could only turn a profit six months out of the last four years. What makes sense is for Google to stop putting wasted resources into producing lower-end handsets, which is a plan the company intends to carry out. New Motorola boss, Dennis Woodside, told the The New York Times that he’s refocusing the company to concentrate on “a few cellphones instead of dozens.” Again, this isn’t new, we already had an idea that Motorola would refocus and begin to release lesser phones, which is something the old CEO Sanjay Jha uttered earlier this year.
In becoming a much leaner company, Motorola will begin to put more emphasis on things like voice recognition that can determine who is in a room, better cameras, and longer-lasting batteries. All great qualities phone owners love. The NYT report also mentioned how an executive close to situation believed it would be “more difficult” for Google and Motorola to spontaneously collaborate on Android projects.
This irks me, because it makes no sense. Why is it a problem for Google to do its own thing, with its own OS, on its own hardware company? My point is, every single OEM the search giant “partners-up with” has been doing whatever it wants with Android since day one (like throwing crappy skins on top of it). So why would things all of a sudden become “more difficult” with Google’s acquisition of Motorola? OEMs will continue to do whatever they want regardless. What does everyone think of all this?
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Sorry if I'm spamming, just thought you guys would be interested in this also.
Mods, feel free to lock / delete...
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Apex_Strider said:
This irks me, because it makes no sense. Why is it a problem for Google to do its own thing, with its own OS, on its own hardware company? My point is, every single OEM the search giant “partners-up with” has been doing whatever it wants with Android since day one (like throwing crappy skins on top of it). So why would things all of a sudden become “more difficult” with Google’s acquisition of Motorola? OEMs will continue to do whatever they want regardless.
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This is a problem, because Google designs not only the os, but now the hardware too. This can be considered an unfair monopoly. Google has to tread very lightly in how they handle this whole thing.
If done wrong, they could alienate all the other manufactures out there, and we could start seeing them all go back to things like symbian (yuck!).

Google has to keep Android open for at least another 5 years unless they find a loop hole. By that time their will be another OS come along that will catch everyones attention.
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I was reading this morning how it was harder for Motorola to talk to and work witj the Android team at google now. The perceived unfair advantage is being handled very cautiously by Google. Then minutes later another article said the same thing except it was Motorola limiting access. Everyone is too uptight. Make it freakin' work.
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OMG I Work at Motorola India but I've not come across any such things.
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Makes me sad. I have three friends whose parents work for Motorola. I keep bugging them to tell their parents to get ICS on more phones but I think I know more about their parents' jobs than they do themselves

It sucks that they have to cut so many jobs - but a lot of them are in markets where Motorola just flat out doesn't sell anything, so they are completely leaving those markets. Hopefully those people can find jobs quickly (and get nice severance packages), and also hopefully Motorola becomes profitable again very quickly, and their remaining areas get bigger and higher more people.

I'm sure it's much easier to suck with less employees. Now they'll actually have an excuse for it.
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I totally want Google to dictate to Motorola. A small handful of higher-quality handsets? A slimmer operation?
Come on, Motorola should have done this two or three years ago.
But turning Motorola into, essentially, a Nexus-only producer with some of its traditional branding could quickly make them into the most interesting manufacturer.

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I totally want Google to dictate to Motorola. A small handful of higher-quality handsets? A slimmer operation?
Come on, Motorola should have done this two or three years ago.
But turning Motorola into, essentially, a Nexus-only producer with some of its traditional branding could quickly make them into the most interesting manufacturer.
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LOL, go a googling... Google is going to turn moto into a lower cost handset maker, not a top end manufacturer... in other words they don't wanna compete with Samsung and the like.
They (motorola), will not make a nexus only device, as of yet NO nexus has EVER been a motorola device, now the xoom was a "google experience" device, meaning no blur at all.... other than that, you won't see them do a nexus phone, but maybe once or twice if ever... it is rumored that this year moto will make the nexus, but I have heard some rumblings lately that don't sound like that will happen.

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LOL, go a googling... Google is going to turn moto into a lower cost handset maker, not a top end manufacturer... in other words they don't wanna compete with Samsung and the like.
They (motorola), will not make a nexus only device, as of yet NO nexus has EVER been a motorola device, now the xoom was a "google experience" device, meaning no blur at all.... other than that, you won't see them do a nexus phone, but maybe once or twice if ever... it is rumored that this year moto will make the nexus, but I have heard some rumblings lately that don't sound like that will happen.
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Google is trying to paint the picture that they have nothing to do with Motorola and that its own separate division because they don't want the other OEM's getting mad at them. They are also saying that Motorola will have to bid for the Nexus program like everybody else... no favoritism! We'll see true thats going to be! Personally I want to see Google get more involved in Motorola, but I don't want them to stop building high end devices... this is the reason I buy Motorola because the hardware is reliable!
This is all similar to the backlash Microsoft has been getting for deciding to building the "Surface" and go into the hardware market. OEM's are mad at them now for this!

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This is all similar to the backlash Microsoft has been getting for deciding to building the "Surface" and go into the hardware market. OEM's are mad at them now for this!
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This is exactly what i was going to say!
We are also forgetting the 'other' reason why el goog bought Moto, patents! I really believe the patents thing is true.. as far as Moto not manufacturing top end devices, i dont believe that, but i do believe they will be limited. They wont release a new mobile every now and then instead may be one top dog for each carrier in the year and two for the international market.
In big mobile markets like India. Moto is struggling, their service here is so infamous and the availability of moto products is also an issue here, where there is NO carrier branding moto has to depend on distribution chains and retailers, and they arent doing well in that dept.
Bottom line is Moto will be different from now onwards, these pink slips are just beginning. There are going to be changes, but not drastic IMHO.
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jimbridgman said:
LOL, go a googling... Google is going to turn moto into a lower cost handset maker, not a top end manufacturer... in other words they don't wanna compete with Samsung and the like.
They (motorola), will not make a nexus only device, as of yet NO nexus has EVER been a motorola device, now the xoom was a "google experience" device, meaning no blur at all.... other than that, you won't see them do a nexus phone, but maybe once or twice if ever... it is rumored that this year moto will make the nexus, but I have heard some rumblings lately that don't sound like that will happen.
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You're right - none yet. I'm just -wishing- that Google would take a more prominent role, at least in the direction of making Motorola play in a more Google way (not that Google is always that open themselves).
I can understand Google not wanting to show favoritism, and if for no other reason I'd be fine with official Nexus devices going to Samsung, HTC, et al., but it would be nice if ALL Motorola devices had that "Google experience."

Its confirmed that Motorola India R&D Centre of Bangalore is yet to make an official statement by coming days and it's also been said that It'll lay off a few employees.
Motorola R&D Bangalore,India.
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If the purchase was only (even mostly) for the patents Moto has, which will probably help defending some features of Android (against Apple), then this move is of no surprise. I hope the affected people are compensated well and also hope many of them start new startups in mobile space with that cushion.

Samsung Galaxy S4 set to disintegrate HTC One before it launches

Here's a article I copied from Chris Burns. SOURCE-> http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-s4-set-to-disintegrate-htc-one-before-it-launches-08273149/
It is very interesting.
So you’ve heard about the Samsung Galaxy S4, and you’re excited for the launch of the HTC One, but you’ve realized that you can’t have both. What do you do? You have a peek at a list of possible specifications for the Samsung device, dig your fingernails into your kneecaps in anticipation of the launch of both that and the HTC One, and hold on tight. There’s a chance that one of the two won’t be in stores for long.
While we’ve seen the HTC One live and in-person more than one time before – both at the launch and during Mobile World Congress 2013 – there’s something about it that just doesn’t click. Can you guess what it is? If today’s report from Android Community is right, it’s the camera. But that’s not what we were thinking here – instead that one crucial element was – and will be – the face that the phone is not going to be out for sale with enough time between its launch and the launch of the Galaxy S4.
There won’t be enough time for the HTC One to grab hold of the public conscious for it to be popular enough to overcome the allure of the most powerful Android-toting brand on the market today: Galaxy. Samsung has done so well with the Galaxy brand over the past few years that the Galaxy S, Galaxy S II, and Galaxy S III have been best-sellers consecutively. And the Galaxy Note line hasn’t been doing too bad itself.
So what does HTC lack that Samsung has? What will douse HTC in a hot mess called irrelevancy?
Samsung’s advertising cash.
If Samsung can do one thing right (and we know they can do more than one thing right), it’s public advertising on the part of their mobile devices. The Samsung brand name is synonymous with cool at this point in history and, based on last years’ ads and the court cases that continue through today, we know they’re the biggest guns up against Apple’s dominance in the mobile market with the iPhone and the iPad.
If HTC had the backing at this point to out-show Samsung with television ad spots and billboards across the country, not to mention online banners and whatnot, would they be geared up and ready for Samsung’s Galaxy S4 launch? I say yes, very possibly.
So which device should you buy – the HTC One or the Galaxy S4? I suppose it all depends on which device you find more appealing. Forget the specification comparisons, forget which device runs the newest version of Android, forget all of that. You’ll see sales follow the brand power. HTC needs to release the HTC One now, and plow through the little time they have left before the Galaxy S4 hits the market – or forever hold their un-sold handsets.
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The Plot Thickens
HTC supplier status downgrade rumored as CEO bets job on One success
HTC CEO Peter Chou has promised to step down if the HTC One is not a sales success, insiders claim, a dangerous commitment given reports that component shortages have scuppered the original launch plans. Chou put his neck on the line in a meeting with senior HTC executives late last year, sources close to the situation told the WSJ, only to find that HTC had been downgraded as a customer among suppliers and would struggle to secure enough casings, camera components, and other parts for the new flagship.
That’s the word from an unnamed HTC executive speaking to the newspaper, blaming the company’s fluctuating demands for phone parts in previous years for leaving the supply chain wary. “The company has a problem managing its component suppliers as it has changed its order forecasts drastically and frequently following last year’s unexpected slump in shipments” the exec explained.
“HTC has had difficulty in securing adequate camera components as it is no longer a tier-one customer” they concluded. The issue around the One’s camera is somewhat ironic, given the UltraPixel technology – which includes a custom-manufactured 4-megapixel sensor built to HTC’s specifications especially for the phone – is part of HTC’s key marketing message.
The company had originally intended to have the One on store shelves by mid-March, but was forced to rethink plans shortly before the intended launch date. Third-party retailers and carriers began complaining that the arrival of their expected stock had been pushed back to the end of March.
Meanwhile, HTC remains upbeat about its ability to get the One out almost on time, albeit perhaps not initially in huge numbers. “We…are working tirelessly with all of our channel partners to ensure that we can fulfill as many orders as possible” CMO Benjamin Ho said in a statement. “We will start fulfilling pre-orders by the end of March in certain markets and will roll out to more markets as we approach April.”
Chou isn’t the only person at HTC finding the company’s struggles are affecting their employment. The company supposedly froze year-end bonuses in 2012, leaving some to speculate that the money was instead being earmarked for a push in marketing around the One this year.
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Humm I guess HTC is out of luck.

Kremata said:
Here's a article I copied from Chris Burns. SOURCE-> http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-s4-set-to-disintegrate-htc-one-before-it-launches-08273149/
It is very interesting.
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You really want to cause a flame war don't you?
Samsung will destroy HTC in terms of advertising.
There is no argument in that.
EDIT: Never mind. I have huge respect for Chris Burns.

HTC gonna get dreamcasted
But anyways OP use info thread for well info this seems like a trolling thread it may not be your intent but with a title like that HTC fans are gonna be clamoring to troll same with Samsung fans
S4 INFO

Livebyte said:
You really want to cause a flame war don't you?
Samsung will destroy HTC in terms of advertising.
There is no argument in that.
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I'm just reporting the article. Why should this start a flame war? I have nothing against HTC, I like HTC phone(I often suggest them to people)
Edit: Actually the article says the phone are almost equally good. No trolling intent here. And the title is the title of the article

Kremata said:
I'm just reporting the article. Why should this start a flame war? I have nothing against HTC, I like HTC phone(I often suggest them to people)
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Your title seems to suggest that. But to be fair, it's the editor's title.

Kremata said:
The company supposedly froze year-end bonuses in 2012
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Are you f-ing kidding me. There's stock's lost 85% of its value in less than two years. That bonuses we're even being considered is horrifying and pretty much shows how out of touch with their current situation they are. And possibly even running a multi-billion dollar business as a whole. Wow.

Anyway, they can close the thread if they want. If you read the article you will see it is worthy news and it is not trolling. XDA is a sharing information forum and I think this is worth sharing.

Your exactly correct
It is worth sharing but there is a already a thread for that
S4 INFO

TingTingin said:
Your exactly correct
It is worth sharing but there is a already a thread for that
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Oh sorry then I must've miss it.

This article is gonna hurt a lot of people's feelings.

This is really sad. I want HTC to do well... Back in the day when Apple was going to die I think Bill Gates helped Steve Jobs out. It would be awesome if Samsung could do the same.

SlimJ87D said:
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Especially now that the gsmarena review for the s4 is out. No surprised here the s beats them all
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skivnit said:
Especially now that the gsmarena review for the s4 is out. No surprised here the s beats them all
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i only see previews.

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4-review-910.php
Swyped from another galaxy

skivnit said:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4-review-910.php
Swyped from another galaxy
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Its a preview, not an in depth review.

barondebxl said:
Its a preview, not an in depth review.
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I was just talking about benchmarks.
Swyped from another galaxy

skivnit said:
I was just talking about benchmarks.
Swyped from another galaxy
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Expect further improvements as this is a pre-release software. The phone is expected to hit the retail market at around April last week. So, expect 3 more weeks of software optimization for the initial launch. New users may expect OTA waiting for them just as they setup the phone.

The color depth on that flower is pretty incredible.

skivnit said:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4-review-910.php
Swyped from another galaxy
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I'm surprise at how well the Note2 is doing in those test.

Essential up for sale, next phone cancelled

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...hone-maker-essential-is-said-to-consider-sale

shocker

We'll...
Like the stages of grief, I was initially frustrated and upset. After thinking about it for about 3 minutes, just about every possession I own is for sale, for the right price. Go get it Andy!

Kinda sad, was tempted to buy a ph-2. But now I'm happy I'll get a chance to buy a ph-1 when they go on fire sale. It will fit right in with my nextbit Robin.

this was a response from Essential that Android Police received
An official Essential spokesperson responded to our request for comment. Here's what we got:
"We always have multiple products in development at the same time and we embrace canceling some in favor of the ones we think will be bigger hits. We are putting all of our efforts towards our future, game-changing products, which include mobile and home products."
Sent from my PH-1 using Tapatalk

Damm! I've been so looking forward to the new phone! I'm sure it would have been a much bigger success.
(another article about it, based on Bloomberg report https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/24/...ncels-phone-development-considers-sale-report )
So do I buy another backup one as there really doesn't seem to be an alternative.

IronRoo said:
Damm! I've been so looking forward to the new phone! I'm sure it would have been a much bigger success.
(another article about it, based on Bloomberg report https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/24/...ncels-phone-development-considers-sale-report )
So do I buy another backup one as there really doesn't seem to be an alternative.
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yeah.. all the phone needs is oled screen and it would be perfect.. though the lcd is very good
Sent from my PH-1 using Tapatalk

Do you think we'll still get continued support for the PH-1, as getting the security updates quick, and getting updated to the official release of android p?

Thomas Cloutier said:
Do you think we'll still get continued support for the PH-1, as getting the security updates quick, and getting updated to the official release of android p?
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I was just wondering that myself.. let's hope the support continues for years to come. I have no plans to upgrade. Love my PH-1

I would not count on continued support for very long. You can’t hardly get decent long term support from phone companies that stay in business...

Sad day really. Especially the cancellation of the phone. I really believed the second one was going to get it right. I only had two problems with the phone: Low light performance of the cameras and poor signal strength (mostly indoors)
I don't think it would have been hard to improve in those areas for their next phone. He is giving up to easy.
P.S. won't be buying their other products if this is how it's going to go.
Maybe we need a petition started to give him more confidence.

It is sad, the Essential Phone had such promise. But sometimes in business "Promises" won't pay the staff or the bills. I was looking forward to PH-2, but now I am, I can't believe I am saying this, looking at the iPhone X.
I have use Android phones ,Nexis< from the beginning. Nexus left us in favor of the extremely expensive and hamstrung Pixel, I was really hoping Essential would fill that void, the one thing is the universe is constant "Apple" seems to always keep thing consistent.
Damn I need to call my therapist, its just a fuc____g phone...

Oh no. That's bad news. What a beautiful phone and not being continued.
First my wonderful Lumia, now the Essential.... Sometimes you wonder what it takes to break into this market.

oldman_58 said:
It is sad, the Essential Phone had such promise. But sometimes in business "Promises" won't pay the staff or the bills. I was looking forward to PH-2, but now I am, I can't believe I am saying this, looking at the iPhone X.
I have use Android phones ,Nexis< from the beginning. Nexus left us in favor of the extremely expensive and hamstrung Pixel, I was really hoping Essential would fill that void, the one thing is the universe is constant "Apple" seems to always keep thing consistent.
Damn I need to call my therapist, its just a fuc____g phone...
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I have the Essential and iPhone X. When it comes to size I constantly confuse the two of them. The Essential phone was the first Android device that felt like Apple quality to me. Can’t go wrong with either one.
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Damn, that really sux. This was the best phone I ever owned

sam2c said:
Damn, that really sux. This was the best phone I ever owned
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well, good thing for now is that we still own the best phone we ever owned.

derausgewanderte said:
Oh no. That's bad news. What a beautiful phone and not being continued.
First my wonderful Lumia, now the Essential.... Sometimes you wonder what it takes to break into this market.
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You jinxed it!
Don't buy a OnePlus 6 please...
Jk

Bummed on this one for sure. I've been impressed enough with this phone and especially the support to have considered replacing my wife's aging Nexus 5X with the second generation one (assuming the camera was better than the ph-1).
this feels exactly like what happened to me when Google sold Motorola soon after I bought my 2013 Moto X, which is still my all time fav phone. Google was supporting it (we got KitKat FAST) and then BAM the support was yanked out when the company got sold. I was starting to like this phone almost as much.

SHOCKKR said:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...hone-maker-essential-is-said-to-consider-sale
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Rumors.
From Andy:
"We always have multiple products in development at the same time and we embrace canceling some in favor of the ones we think will be bigger hits. We are putting all of our efforts towards our future, game-changing products, which include mobile and home products."
Where does that say the company is closing or that PH-2 is dead?
The article is from a confidential source.

tech_head said:
Rumors.
From Andy:
"We always have multiple products in development at the same time and we embrace canceling some in favor of the ones we think will be bigger hits. We are putting all of our efforts towards our future, game-changing products, which include mobile and home products."
Where does that say the company is closing or that PH-2 is dead?
The article is from a confidential source.
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Cmon dude he posted it as a response to the articles
"we embrace canceling some in favor of the ones we think will be bigger hits."
I think that is pretty clear, unless you're being intentionally obtuse.