I searched through the rooting thread, but that only said it was ok to root the phone after installing the latest update from verizon. Now that my phone is rooted, can I still apply the updates verizon pushes down?
oakdog8 said:
I searched through the rooting thread, but that only said it was ok to root the phone after installing the latest update from verizon. Now that my phone is rooted, can I still apply the updates verizon pushes down?
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No no no NO!
You will lose root.
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You wouldnt even get the updates Verizon pushes. You could manually flash the RUU's and you would loose root or you could just wait until the ROM you use starts basing their future versions off of the updates which wont lose root.
If you look on the TB forum sites you will usually be able to find the update for rooted phones to if you are not using a custom ROM.
My Atrix 2 comes out of box with stock firmware, which means I didn't try to flash it with customized firmware. The only tweak is having my phone rooted and freezing some apps using Titanium Backup. My question is whether it is safe to proceed with official update if I am prompted to do.
As of right now I believe if you flash any updates you will lose root, I may be wrong but there are a few that have. Just depends on how much you like having the capabilities of Root or not.
JRW 28 said:
As of right now I believe if you flash any updates you will lose root, I may be wrong but there are a few that have. Just depends on how much you like having the capabilities of Root or not.
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Thank you for your response. My understanding is that performing any official update will revert to unroot status. To me, this could be the second priority to think about. The biggest question at this point is if it is safe to flash the offical update after I rooted my phone and frozen some apps using Titanium Backup. I worry my Atrix 2 will be bricked if I made some changes to the origial fireware as mentioned above.
Rooting shouldn't affect anything. Before you update just make sure you unfreeze any apps toy may have frozen and you should be good to go
What update is everyone talking about?
I thought that 2.3.5 was the latest version on the Atrix 2
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There aren't any OFFICIAL updates yet he's referring to the update that was found in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1328714
It will update you to 2.3.6 and you WILL lose the capabilities of ROOT if you choose to update
JRW 28 said:
There aren't any OFFICIAL updates yet he's referring to the update that was found in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1328714
It will update you to 2.3.6 and you WILL lose the capabilities of ROOT if you choose to update
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Yes, I am not actually receiving any update yet. Just want to make it clear and ready for future. Thank you guys for kindly help!
This question may have been asked, when verizon pushes out the Jelly Bean update what will I need to do in order to accept it? I am rooted with google wallet and google now.... Every bit of information I got from here...Everyone here ROCKS......
If you're on the stock recovery and rom I believe you can just install it, you'll just have to re-root after the update.
That said, I would NOT install any OTA update until developers have fully analyzed it, and honestly even after that. For all you know it will lock the bootloader again or cause issues with the current root method. The developers will integrate it into the different roms if necessary. I would suggest unlocking your bootloader and just waiting for a custom rom that you like, even if it's a stock JB one after the update has been out.
TPSG3 said:
This question may have been asked, when verizon pushes out the Jelly Bean update what will I need to do in order to accept it? I am rooted with google wallet and google now.... Every bit of information I got from here...Everyone here ROCKS......
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Going to have to be back to stock unrooted and locked bootloader would be my guess
but that may be a long time away knowing verizion
jlmr731 said:
Going to have to be back to stock unrooted and locked bootloader would be my guess
but that may be a long time away knowing verizion
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Yeah, if the bootloader is already unlocked or you have a custom rom then you'd want to get back to stock. I read "rooted" as only rooted and nothing else really done rom wise, only app.
One other thing I forgot to mention, if you're not running a custom rom, I'd block OTA updates so they don't keep popping up. Almost all custom roms already take care of this for you, but the below should let you do it manually (this is from another site, I can't post a link yet).
"Delete fota.client.apk and fwupgrade with ES File Explorer in system/apps using ES File Explorer, enable “Root Explorer” and “Mount File System” in settings"
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This question may have been asked, when verizon pushes out the Jelly Bean update what will I need to do in order to accept it? I am rooted with google wallet and google now.... Every bit of information I got from here...Everyone here ROCKS......
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I take this as your running stock TW an just rooted but you're running Google now an wallet with no custom rom? I what methods did you use? Those are specifically the two reasons I want a custom rom. I'm fine with just stock rooted but wants those two apps.
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GreenOnyx said:
If you're on the stock recovery and rom I believe you can just install it, you'll just have to re-root after the update.
That said, I would NOT install any OTA update until developers have fully analyzed it, and honestly even after that. For all you know it will lock the bootloader again or cause issues with the current root method. The developers will integrate it into the different roms if necessary. I would suggest unlocking your bootloader and just waiting for a custom rom that you like, even if it's a stock JB one after the update has been out.
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The problem is that you may just lose root WITH the update.
As well, you could lose the unlocking ability that was recently found and exploited.
Never accept any OTA updates if you want to stay rooted and unlocked.
I used this post for wallet
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1762709
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Google Wallet and Now
this one for Google Now!!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=29756226&postcount=2857
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TPSG3 said:
This question may have been asked, when verizon pushes out the Jelly Bean update what will I need to do in order to accept it? I am rooted with google wallet and google now.... Every bit of information I got from here...Everyone here ROCKS......
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yea. only way i would accept is to flash back stock rom in ODIN. easy and fast (well takes about 7 min, but you dont gotta do nuffin but wait). and stock kernel and modem if you changed. but you said just rooted with google walelt and google now.
make sure you wipe data/cache in stock recovery or them two and dalvik in custom recovery. ( i allways waipe before and after rom but that probably over kill.
Hey ty so just run Odin, and it is all good
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For those wondering, I've never seen a major version OTA that did not remove root.
So you can bet you'll lose root with the update.
That said I personally would never accept a single OTA for fear of losing my unlocked bootloader.
ty
Everyone here has been a great help.. This is my first Android phone and rocks my iPhone in everyway...I was a little nervous when I rooted it and started installing custom mods ie...Google wallet, Google Now. I have been thinking about a ROM but I think I'll wait for JB with TW. I'm sure the Dev's will give the ok for the flash once they know we can keep the unlock and root. Thanks again.
Time to keep reading and learning
TPSG3 said:
This question may have been asked, when verizon pushes out the Jelly Bean update what will I need to do in order to accept it? I am rooted with google wallet and google now.... Every bit of information I got from here...Everyone here ROCKS......
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I wouldn't worry about Verizon pushing out Jelly Bean until next year.
Hi,
I've had my GSIII for a couple of months now. It's completely stock and unrooted. I was wondering if there was any benefit to rooting it, but not unlocking the bootloader and installing the custom recovery. I know that I won't be able to install custom roms or kernels. But is there anything else that I'd be losing out on?
Thanks
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usmaak said:
Hi,
I've had my GSIII for a couple of months now. It's completely stock and unrooted. I was wondering if there was any benefit to rooting it, but not unlocking the bootloader and installing the custom recovery. I know that I won't be able to install custom roms or kernels. But is there anything else that I'd be losing out on?
Thanks
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The only reason to unlock the bootloader would be to allow you to flash custom ROMs such as Cyanogenmod10, SlimRom, etc. You can do this by downloading EZ-Unlock from the play store. You will need root to run the program.
You will need root access to do anything a "superuser" needs to do, i.e. run programs such as Titanium backup, triangle away, ROM manager, Ez-Unlock, Root access using file explorer programs, and other programs that require root to function. You can flash Custom Recover without root, using ODIN and an ODIN CWM tar with a boot chain. You can then flash superuser/root using custom recovery.
If you don't need CWM Recovery, then you can just root using the PC USB method.
zenboy444 said:
The only reason to unlock the bootloader would be to allow you to flash custom ROMs such as Cyanogenmod10, SlimRom, etc. You can do this by downloading EZ-Unlock from the play store. You will need root to run the program.
You will need root access to do anything a "superuser" needs to do, i.e. run programs such as Titanium backup, triangle away, ROM manager, Ez-Unlock, Root access using file explorer programs, and other programs that require root to function. You can flash Custom Recover without root, using ODIN and an ODIN CWM tar with a boot chain. You can then flash superuser/root using custom recovery.
If you don't need CWM Recovery, then you can just root using the PC USB method.
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A couple of months ago, I had an Evo that was fully unlocked, with a custom ROM and kernel. For now, I just want to root it, so that I can run things that require root, like Titanium, and some of the other apps that I bought when on the Evo. I rooted and unlocked the Evo because I was tired of it being sluggish. I actually really like the current setup on my GIII. I'm sure that down the road some ways (when I get bored), I'll fully unlock it, to take advantage of other ROMs.
I am still on 4.04. If I just root, will I be able to update to JB with the OTA?
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I am stock 4.0.4, but want to root now that JB is out (don't know why I waited guess I just like the idea of doing it before probably the last major OTA). So I plan to root and unlock. Just wondering do I do it now before loading the JB OTA or afterwards? Are there advantages of one over the other? Thanks!
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usmaak said:
A couple of months ago, I had an Evo that was fully unlocked, with a custom ROM and kernel. For now, I just want to root it, so that I can run things that require root, like Titanium, and some of the other apps that I bought when on the Evo. I rooted and unlocked the Evo because I was tired of it being sluggish. I actually really like the current setup on my GIII. I'm sure that down the road some ways (when I get bored), I'll fully unlock it, to take advantage of other ROMs.
I am still on 4.04. If I just root, will I be able to update to JB with the OTA?
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You should be able to receive the OTA update for JB if you check for updates in settings; if not you will receive it soon. Rooting will not speed up that process at all, and since you'll likely be on JB soon there's really no point in rooting right now. OTA will remove root anyway, but there is a rooting method for JB already available.
If you do eventually decide to root, the main advantage is you can unlock bootloader and flash a custom recovery to install one of the many ROMs available for this phone. If you dislike TouchWiz, you can flash an AOSP rom like CM10 which is more of a stock Android experience. If you don't mind TouchWiz, you can install a ROM like CleanROM which gets rid of Verizon's bloat with a few extra perks.
If you're not into installing custom ROMs, you could still take advantage of rooting by freezing unwanted apps which hinder battery life and run other root-only apps like AdFree which block ads. Also, you can avoid waiting for Verizon to push out updates and install the leaks early.
The big reason I rooted was to uninstall all the bloatware and the ability to back everything up. That right there should be enough for anyone. As far as the ota, you should be able to, just expect to lose root as I've seen in other cases.
OnceAMatrixMan said:
Similar question...
I am stock 4.0.4, but want to root now that JB is out (don't know why I waited guess I just like the idea of doing it before probably the last major OTA). So I plan to root and unlock. Just wondering do I do it now before loading the JB OTA or afterwards? Are there advantages of one over the other? Thanks!
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No point in doing that now because you will likely receive the OTA update within days, which removes root. You could technically install the leaked OTA manually right now (check the dev section), but since you're running stock you'll just receive it automatically. I wouldn't bother.
Quacker said:
You should be able to receive the OTA update for JB if you check for updates in settings; if not you will receive it soon. Rooting will not speed up that process at all, and since you'll likely be on JB soon there's really no point in rooting right now. OTA will remove root anyway, but there is a rooting method for JB already available.
If you do eventually decide to root, the main advantage is you can unlock bootloader and flash a custom recovery to install one of the many ROMs available for this phone. If you dislike TouchWiz, you can flash an AOSP rom like CM10 which is more of a stock Android experience. If you don't mind TouchWiz, you can install a ROM like CleanROM which gets rid of Verizon's bloat with a few extra perks.
If you're not into installing custom ROMs, you could still take advantage of rooting by freezing unwanted apps which hinder battery life and run other root-only apps like AdFree which block ads. Also, you can avoid waiting for Verizon to push out updates and install the leaks early.
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I already have the JB update available. I am just waiting a while, to see if it causes any unintended problems. Specifically I'm looking to see if it adversely affects battery life or signal strength.
I'm doing the research and seeing what the differences are between rooting and unlocking the GSIII and the Evo. Right now, I'm fine with the stock ROM. It's way better than anything that I had on my Evo (and I tried them all). Right now, I just want to be able to run apps requiring root.
usmaak said:
I already have the JB update available. I am just waiting a while, to see if it causes any unintended problems. Specifically I'm looking to see if it adversely affects battery life or signal strength.
I'm doing the research and seeing what the differences are between rooting and unlocking the GSIII and the Evo. Right now, I'm fine with the stock ROM. It's way better than anything that I had on my Evo (and I tried them all). Right now, I just want to be able to run apps requiring root.
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In my experience, it's usually difficult to avoid OTA updates for long if you're not rooted. I would usually go to sleep and find later that my phone updated itself.
I haven't heard of any battery issues with JB, but I don't see why anyone would want to stick with ICS at this point. Google Now alone is worth it.
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In my experience, it's usually difficult to avoid OTA updates for long if you're not rooted. I would usually go to sleep and find later that my phone updated itself.
I haven't heard of any battery issues with JB, but I don't see why anyone would want to stick with ICS at this point. Google Now alone is worth it.
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I don't want to avoid OTA updates. I want it, I just want to wait a few days. I deferred it until 12/19.
I just want to make sure that:
1. I can still get OTAs with root, and...
2. There is a way to keep root if I accept the OTA.
I do want JB, but I've gotten screwed by OTAs in the past, on the Evo. I just want to be as certain as possible.
Quacker said:
No point in doing that now because you will likely receive the OTA update within days, which removes root. You could technically install the leaked OTA manually right now (check the dev section), but since you're running stock you'll just receive it automatically. I wouldn't bother.
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I delayed the update earlier today. I saw in several posts that Voodoo Root Keeper keeps root. So still curious to root now or after OTA update...?
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usmaak said:
I don't want to avoid OTA updates. I want it, I just want to wait a few days. I deferred it until 12/19.
I just want to make sure that:
1. I can still get OTAs with root, and...
2. There is a way to keep root if I accept the OTA.
I do want JB, but I've gotten screwed by OTAs in the past, on the Evo. I just want to be as certain as possible.
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You can get OTA with root. Just don't freeze any apps.
You can keep root with OTA Rootkeeper. I haven't heard of it failing for anyone with the recent update.
You could always re-root in JB.
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OnceAMatrixMan said:
I delayed the update earlier today. I saw in several posts that Voodoo Root Keeper keeps root. So still curious to root now or after OTA update...?
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Up to you. Rootkeeper does work with this update. I suppose rooting in ICS is easier, but the JB method isn't all that difficult either.
Quacker said:
You can get OTA with root. Just don't freeze any apps.
You can keep root with OTA Rootkeeper. I haven't heard of it failing for anyone with the recent update.
You could always re-root in JB.
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Up to you. Rootkeeper does work with this update. I suppose rooting in ICS is easier, but the JB method isn't all that difficult either.
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So, I should be all set if I complete section 1, steps 1 - 7 of this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1762709
True statement?
usmaak said:
So, I should be all set if I complete section 1, steps 1 - 7 of this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1762709
True statement?
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Yep! Then install and use Rootkeeper.
I just rooted myself before I received OTA for the following reasons:
1) I didn't want to use ODIN
2) Didn't want to worry about using Triangle Away
This was my first time rooting, and it was effortless. I used droidstyle's guide. The only thing I did differently was use a modified Debugfs (w/SuperSU), since my phone didn't like the original Debugfs (w/superuser).
The modified Debugfs can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1883984
nufan said:
I just rooted myself before I received OTA for the following reasons:
1) I didn't want to use ODIN
2) Didn't want to worry about using Triangle Away
This was my first time rooting, and it was effortless. I used droidstyle's guide. The only thing I did differently was use a modified Debugfs (w/SuperSU), since my phone didn't like the original Debugfs (w/superuser).
The modified Debugfs can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1883984
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Doesn't the counter only get tripped when you flash a ROM? Just rooting won't trip it, will it?
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Yep! Then install and use Rootkeeper.
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One more question, and I am off to give it a try. Is there any way to uproot the phone once it is rooted? You know, just in case I need to bring it in for service if something goes wrong with it.
rooting S III 4.1.1
so I have been thinking about rooting my S3, and did the research and found these two very well explained instructions.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1762709
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1875914
My question is does either one still work for S3 with JB (since they were posted when S3 had ICS).
Thank you!
newtodroid_1 said:
so I have been thinking about rooting my S3, and did the research and found these two very well explained instructions.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1762709
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1875914
My question is does either one still work for S3 with JB (since they were posted when S3 had ICS).
Thank you!
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Nope they both are ics only. Here it's the only way right now for jb
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=35418324
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I am running stock 4.1.2 rooted and froze SDM 1.0 with titanium backup to avoid the constant update reminders.
I am now curious can I accept the updates and keep root somehow?
Is something like OTA root keeper worthwhile?
You can still root but cannot unlock the bootloader. I'd recommend reading the 4.3 sticky thread before taking the ota even if you want to stay stock.
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dpeeps74 said:
You can still root but cannot unlock the bootloader. I'd recommend reading the 4.3 sticky thread before taking the ota even if you want to stay stock.
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Are you saying that because of the 4.3 issues?
I would rather not mess with the phone but I just got a gear 2 neo and it will not connect. I think this is because of the older android version. The specs on the gear software say it requires 4.2 or higher
scottfarcuz said:
Are you saying that because of the 4.3 issues?
I would rather not mess with the phone but I just got a gear 2 neo and it will not connect. I think this is because of the older android version. The specs on the gear software say it requires 4.2 or higher
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Ya you need 4.3.
So you have options, since you're have a galaxy gear you're probably going to be running stock TouchWiz, so I would just take the upgrade.
You can root later, but the gear would never work with aosp anyway. Safestrap can make your phone run pretty well with a TouchWiz custom rom if you eventually decide you want one.
Or you can load a custom TouchWiz 4.3 rom right now and see if it connects, then you wouldn't lock your phone down permanently.
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Id like to go with a custom rom but don't have a clue what I'm doing.
Thanks for the help
scottfarcuz said:
Id like to go with a custom rom but don't have a clue what I'm doing.
Thanks for the help
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OK then read the sticky threads in the development section, everything there has guides available for rooting and installing roms, then ask more questions if you have them.
Make sure you're reading the older sticky thread, not the 4.3 one.
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I've been unable to even get the OTA to work. It downloads then fails on install.
I have reset the flash counter but thought that was all that would be required to repair/delete before running the OTA update.
Does anyone have a suggestion?
Just to clarify the phone is currently rooted (casual method) on 4.1.2. I never touched the rom or bootloader after rooting i just installed titanium backup and froze all the bloat. Id like to get the OTA even if i lose root.
I reset the flash counter with triangle away and did a batch unfreeze with titanium backup.The OTA downloads then fails on install.
You would probably need to unfreeze everything for the update to work, at least thats what I have heard.
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scottfarcuz said:
I've been unable to even get the OTA to work. It downloads then fails on install.
I have reset the flash counter but thought that was all that would be required to repair/delete before running the OTA update.
Does anyone have a suggestion?
Just to clarify the phone is currently rooted (casual method) on 4.1.2. I never touched the rom or bootloader after rooting i just installed titanium backup and froze all the bloat. Id like to get the OTA even if i lose root.
I reset the flash counter with triangle away and did a batch unfreeze with titanium backup.The OTA downloads then fails on install.
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Use this thread to Odin flash 4.3. It's the exact same as taking the Ota.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2586319
I'm sure you already know what taking the update entails, just be absolutely sure it's what you want to do before you flash it. There's no going back.
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