I know the ENG HBoot 1.09.2006 was out there for a little while when trying to get S-OFF for our phone but since then the link has now died so I'm putting out this request for someone who has it (theres a few of you out there) to share it to us all in here...
wrong section?
I believe he is trying to get it from someone, then he will put it in the first post along with instructions and the like. Instead of making 2 threads. Plus, devs will probably see this a hell of a lot sooner than if it was in Q&A.
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mcmb03 said:
wrong section?
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It's an engineer hboot that's for development purposes that some dev will have somewhere so I guessed this is the right place...
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liamstears said:
I know the ENG HBoot 1.09.2006 was out there for a little while when trying to get S-OFF for our phone but since then the link has now died so I'm putting out this request for someone who has it (theres a few of you out there) to share it to us all in here...
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Wats so special about this hboot will it give us some advantages?
scottie720 said:
Wats so special about this hboot will it give us some advantages?
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If you don't know what it is, don't worry about it. It allows some extra commands in fastboot, I believe.
How can you check if you have that hotboot? I have 1.09 with S-off, Network Unlocked, Rooted, and bootloader unlocked.
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Gman_aka_Pop's said:
How can you check if you have that hotboot? I have 1.09 with S-off, Network Unlocked, Rooted, and bootloader unlocked.
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See these 2 pictures:
http://s013.radikal.ru/i324/1112/7c/14f6710cbf92.jpg http://i.imgur.com/bKZta.jpg
You will see one says ENG at the top and the other says SHIP
We currently all have SHIP HBoot's, we are looking for ENG HBoot...
IIRC the only people with ENG HBoots were those that had factory S-OFF devices. Pretty sure there are partition dumps containing them somewhere in the S-OFF thread.
ThisWasATriumph said:
IIRC the only people with ENG HBoots were those that had factory S-OFF devices. Pretty sure there are partition dumps containing them somewhere in the S-OFF thread.
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I found one link so far in there but it was dead. I pmd the guy who originally gave the link to see if I could get it
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I understand why you put this in the dev section but I can not leave it here moving to general section.
I seriously hope this is it... I just spent about 15 scouring the old S-OFF thread and found this link to a dropbox folder with a bunch of old dumps of S-OFFed devices way back when, I believe the one in the EVITA S-OFF folder is the ENG hboot one although tbh I have no idea which one of the partitions on our phone holds the hboot. Hope this sorta helps..
www(dot)dropbox(dot)com/sh/tmpa7i7ibjy0ciy/lnAD6aSvBS
gamecheet said:
I seriously hope this is it... I just spent about 15 scouring the old S-OFF thread and found this link to a dropbox folder with a bunch of old dumps of S-OFFed devices way back when, I believe the one in the EVITA S-OFF folder is the ENG hboot one although tbh I have no idea which one of the partitions on our phone holds the hboot. Hope this sorta helps..
www(dot)dropbox(dot)com/sh/tmpa7i7ibjy0ciy/lnAD6aSvBS
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Mmcblk0p4, if im not mistaken
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gamecheet said:
I seriously hope this is it... I just spent about 15 scouring the old S-OFF thread and found this link to a dropbox folder with a bunch of old dumps of S-OFFed devices way back when, I believe the one in the EVITA S-OFF folder is the ENG hboot one although tbh I have no idea which one of the partitions on our phone holds the hboot. Hope this sorta helps..
www(dot)dropbox(dot)com/sh/tmpa7i7ibjy0ciy/lnAD6aSvBS
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Checked it and I'm afraid its only the 1.09 ship HBoot we already have
ThisWasATriumph said:
IIRC the only people with ENG HBoots were those that had factory S-OFF devices. Pretty sure there are partition dumps containing them somewhere in the S-OFF thread.
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I have factory soff device and I have ship 1.14
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For1n said:
I have factory soff device and I have ship 1.14
Send from my One XL CM10.1
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I believe the only people that got the eng hboots were those with test devices although it wouldn't surprise me if some early retail soff devices had it too
Myrder said:
Mmcblk0p4, if im not mistaken
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You mean mmcblk0p12
An eng hboot is pointless to a regular user, all it has is extra fast boot commands
Slithered from my HTC One X+
Here is my archive of all the documents and s-off information for when I was working on the XL. I am currently busy so you'll have to check through the folder and see if any of the s-off partition folders have eng hboot. I know I had it at one point but don't remember if I put it in my archive. Let me know if you don't find it and I'll search for it later on through the rest of my files.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/a1n5s4r61wfh7qr/E_XaRZhI8i
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Hi,
I want to flash a new radio to my Sensation as I currently have a really bad battery life and thought it could maybe be the result of an non-matched radio. (Updated to Android Revolution HD 3.0.0 yesterday)
My bootloader tells me I'm Ship S-OFF, but I've read that I'd need ENG S-OFF to flash a new radio, but could not find any guide telling me how to "do that".
Do I need ENG S-OFF? If so, how can I get it?
Thanks for your help.
Find Bin4ry's thread in dev section (it's a little hard to find, old thread but still) and inside that thread you can download PG58IMG.zip file. Then just flash that file and that's it
Edit: Here is the thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1122053
Swyped from my HTC Sensation
Btw, I'm not sure if you need ENG S-OFF to flash a radio
Swyped from my HTC Sensation
Thanks for the reply. Does anyone else know if I really need ENG S-OFF to flash a new Radio? I don't want to do it if I don't need it..
idavid_ said:
Find Bin4ry's thread in dev section (it's a little hard to find, old thread but still) and inside that thread you can download PG58IMG.zip file. Then just flash that file and that's it
Edit: Here is the thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1122053
Swyped from my HTC Sensation
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I've already installed one PG58IMG.zip file a few weeks ago, which was a bit "bigger". Am I supposed to just install the "new" one "over" the old one? Or will there be problems?
crunkin said:
Thanks for the reply. Does anyone else know if I really need ENG S-OFF to flash a new Radio? I don't want to do it if I don't need it..
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You do not need ENG S-OFF to flash a new radio.
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What is ENG S-Off used for anyway? Installing a new ROM overwrites the radio though?
claudenegm said:
What is ENG S-Off used for anyway? Installing a new ROM overwrites the radio though?
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Installing a new ROM does not override the radio, installing a new radio does. If you don't know what ENG hboot does, don't flash it. You don't need it, and if you don't know what youre doing you can brick your phone.
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raybez said:
Installing a new ROM does not override the radio, installing a new radio does. If you don't know what ENG hboot does, don't flash it. You don't need it, and if you don't know what youre doing you can brick your phone.
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I do know what I'm doing (I think xD). I just mixed up all the information I got, so I wanted things to be cleared up a bit.
What I just want to know is, what is the difference between Ship S-Off and Eng S-Off? What is responsible for giving acces to Nand making me able to install a custom ROM? Ship S-Off, right?
I'm really confused right now xD
claudenegm said:
I do know what I'm doing (I think xD). I just mixed up all the information I got, so I wanted things to be cleared up a bit.
What I just want to know is, what is the difference between Ship S-Off and Eng S-Off? What is responsible for giving acces to Nand making me able to install a custom ROM? Ship S-Off, right?
I'm really confused right now xD
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Ship S-OFF is enough to flash a recovery so you can flash a ROM. If your ROM needs a different radio the chef will let you know and will likely provide instructions to upgrade. ENG s-off opens up more commands that can potentially break a phone if you do the wrong things.
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raybez said:
Ship S-OFF is enough to flash a recovery so you can flash a ROM. If your ROM needs a different radio the chef will let you know and will likely provide instructions to upgrade. ENG s-off opens up more commands that can potentially break a phone if you do the wrong things.
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Thanks alot, it helped
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raybez said:
Ship S-OFF is enough to flash a recovery so you can flash a ROM. If your ROM needs a different radio the chef will let you know and will likely provide instructions to upgrade. ENG s-off opens up more commands that can potentially break a phone if you do the wrong things.
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Thanks i now finally know the difference between eng s off and ship s off
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how to (ENG S-OFF) the SENSATION
hi,,, thanks for all the information it was usefull,,,
-but do anyone knows how to Eng S-OFF the sensation????
i have done to much searching for but there was none....
-also i concluded that in order to flash a radio on my sensation I must be
ENG S-OFF not only Ship S-OFF (ex: the revelution HD Radio) ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849 )
when i tried to follow the procedure to flash the rom I get (not allowed message; which means that i dont have ENG S-OFF)
htc sensation rooted
ship S-OFF
Android revelution HD 3.0.0
yazan86 said:
hi,,, thanks for all the information it was usefull,,,
-but do anyone knows how to Eng S-OFF the sensation????
i have done to much searching for but there was none....
-also i concluded that in order to flash a radio on my sensation I must be
ENG S-OFF not only Ship S-OFF (ex: the revelution HD Radio) ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849 )
when i tried to follow the procedure to flash the rom I get (not allowed message; which means that i dont have ENG S-OFF)
htc sensation rooted
ship S-OFF
Android revelution HD 3.0.0
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Look at my first post in this thread (1 page back)
Swyped from my HTC Sensation
I'm using HTC incredible S 710e, my phone is Eng S-OFF, how to change Ship S-OFF...
PhuongHoang said:
I'm using HTC incredible S 710e, my phone is Eng S-OFF, how to change Ship S-OFF...
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First of all, wrong forum. Second, why would you want that? I guess you can get S-ON again and then run revolutionary again
Swyped from my HTC Sensation
Hi guys i have hboot 1.27.0000 and want upgrade to 1.27.1100 for install sense o maniac rom. Anyone can link me zip for upgrade?
PS i need new radio for this hboot?
Your S-ON. It says this in a thousand places, you will need to wait for Revolutionary to release their tool for 1.27.0000 devices.
Why won't people read? It says this in at least a thousand places. Just clutters up the Q&A Section.
usaff22 said:
Your S-ON. It says this in a thousand places, you will need to wait for Revolutionary to release their tool for 1.27.0000 devices.
Why won't people read? It says this in at least a thousand places. Just clutters up the Q&A Section.
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i have s-off and supercid but i dont remember what is my previus cid. have find correct tread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459767
but i dont understand what is correct zip
kekkojoker90 said:
i have s-off and supercid but i dont remember what is my previus cid. have find correct tread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459767
but i dont understand what is correct zip
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Thank God
You can flash any zip, because you are SuperCID'd. I recommend using 3.32 Unlocked in HTC Part 1.
usaff22 said:
Thank God
You can flash any zip, because you are SuperCID'd. I recommend using 3.32 Unlocked in HTC Part 1.
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thanks i'm not totally newbie but have sensation only from 3 days and havent understand all. For g2 is very simply change hboot etc etc.I thinked i can flash any zip but a confirm is appreciated.
usaff22 said:
Your S-ON. It says this in a thousand places, you will need to wait for Revolutionary to release their tool for 1.27.0000 devices.
Why won't people read? It says this in at least a thousand places. Just clutters up the Q&A Section.
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Revolutionary? Bah. Your best bet is this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1522351
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Hi all!
I do not have 10 posts on the Forum, so I write here. I have tried get S-OFF with the help of "Juopunutbear S-OFF" but the process fails. What is thought?
Errorcode: 66732337
ErrorMsg: Still sober
Ok this is the first I have headed of Juopunutbear here in te Sensation forums. I see things in the Amaze, Resound, ad a couple of other HTC devices. Can you give a link or at least a modified URL that we can fix and then paste in the browser?
Also I recommend you use Revolutionary cause I don't know if Juopunutbear S-off works with the Sensation yet.
Edit: I see it does work with the Sensation. I did a little more looking and found the thread in the development forum.
T-Macgnolia said:
Ok this is the first I have headed of Juopunutbear here in te Sensation forums. I see things in the Amaze, Resound, ad a couple of other HTC devices. Can you give a link or at least a modified URL that we can fix and then paste in the browser?
Also I recommend you use Revolutionary cause I don't know if Juopunutbear S-off works with the Sensation yet.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1611981
It was posted a few hours ago
Sent from my sensational sensation 4g
I got 15 times with S-OFF but when loading the vehicle nothing happens to the black screen and icon Juopunutbear
yahhboy said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1611981
It was posted a few hours ago
Sent from my sensational sensation 4g
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Yeah I just found that thread you linked after I found the thread I linked in the edit of my first post.
This is awesome a new method of unlocking the Sensation, and it supports Hboot 1.27. But it seems like it is just a little more complicated than revolutionary.
so far, no one has a problem with black screen and icon?
T-Macgnolia said:
Yeah I just found that thread you linked after I found the thread I linked in the edit of my first post.
This is awesome a new method of unlocking the Sensation, and it supports Hboot 1.27. But it seems like it is just a little more complicated than revolutionary.
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Yeah I was skimming over the thread and a lot of people have been getting bootloops upon completion, and apparently you need to be HTC dev unlocked first. But its nice to have another method to s-off when it works especially for all those stuck on higher h boots
Sent from my sensational sensation 4g
All issue resolved ...
I flash Android Revolution HD make this a complete wipe their script and the phone started!
Thanks for all the answers
@slavsat you have hboot 1.27.0000?
lazar89nis said:
@slavsat you have hboot 1.27.0000?
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I don't know if the op has Hboot 1.27.0000 but I bet they did cause Revolutionary does not support Hoot 1.27.0000 but this new Juopunutbear S-OFF does support that Hboot version. And I don't t think they would have used this method if they could have used Revolutionary.
Back to the first post of the thread, I read the instructions on the Unlimited.io web site and the error messages the OP was getting means they did not do the wire trick right and they need to start over and run ControlBear again.
lazar89nis said:
@slavsat you have hboot 1.27.0000?
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yes... and i have official unlock and root with the help of the instruction http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24306174&postcount=7
but S-OFF gives is not complete, and now I have a S-OFF thanks to the guys from Juopunutbear
P.S.> ISC was originally
anyone that knows this good can someone please make a list one by one how to get everything unlocked so i can flash in a rom make like 1. 2. 3. steps like that! Would be awesome!
Thanks
See my post, everything is working fine
hi,
I just bought a rogers htc one x, and unlocked the bootloader using Select “All other supported models” for HTCdev.
*** UNLOCKED ***
EVITA PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
CID-ROGER001
HBOOT-1.09.0000
RADIO-0.16a.32.09.06
OpenDSP-v25.1.0.32.0405
eMMC-boot
Apr 2 2012,21:08:24
I know my warranty is gone.(it's ok...)
Just sharing the information, not sure if someone have posted it before...
Hope it helps.
here is the question... cant AT&T HTC one X do the same?
niceppl said:
hi,
I just bought a rogers htc one x, and unlocked the bootloader using Select “All other supported models” for HTCdev.
*** UNLOCKED ***
EVITA PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
CID-ROGER001
HBOOT-1.09.0000
RADIO-0.16a.32.09.06
OpenDSP-v25.1.0.32.0405
eMMC-boot
Apr 2 2012,21:08:24
I know my warranty is gone.(it's ok...)
Just sharing the information, not sure if someone have posted it before...
Hope it helps.
here is the question... cant AT&T HTC one X do the same?
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What do you think we have been trying to do?
Interested in how you got the soff model though.
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2
Weren't we already discussing this in another thread?
I'd like to see proof of your S-OFF. Take a pic and post it.
HTCDev does **NOT** provide S-OFF, and if you've achieved it, you'll be the first person here to do it.
there....lol god damn finally i'm lucky for once...
niceppl said:
there....lol god damn finally i'm luck for once...
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Amazing! Sorry for doubting you. Did you happen to check if S-OFF was present before unlocking at htcdev.com? And just to be clear, you didn't run any other method beyond what's explicitly described on htcdev.com?
yes..checked it was s-on before...
I did a lot of other crap though...but it shouldn't be related...
and last night I finally want to root my phone...so may as well unlock the bootloader...too
and here this is what i got...
um
tag!
---------- Post added at 05:01 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:00 PM ----------
Now go find the threads in the dev section and become a tester! PLEASE!!
Someone got S-OFF with an AT&T One X, too: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1645252
(Curiouser and curiouser...)
tehh4ck3r said:
Someone got S-OFF with an AT&T One X, too: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1645252
(Curiouser and curiouser...)
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Nah, he said it's unbranded. So it's RUNNING on AT&T's network, but it's not an AT&T phone. As HTC has said (in not so many words), AT&T's the one that doesn't want an unlocked bootloader, it may be that Rogers doesn't have the same restrictions.
bikeracer4487 said:
Nah, he said it's unbranded. So it's RUNNING on AT&T's network, but it's not an AT&T phone. As HTC has said (in not so many words), AT&T's the one that doesn't want an unlocked bootloader, it may be that Rogers doesn't have the same restrictions.
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But either way it shouldn't be S-OFF should it? If it was unlocked through HTCdev it would still be S-ON.
bikeracer4487 said:
Nah, he said it's unbranded. So it's RUNNING on AT&T's network, but it's not an AT&T phone. As HTC has said (in not so many words), AT&T's the one that doesn't want an unlocked bootloader, it may be that Rogers doesn't have the same restrictions.
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I've got a Rogers one, and unlocking my bootloader did not give me S-OFF.
tehh4ck3r said:
But either way it shouldn't be S-OFF should it? If it was unlocked through HTCdev it would still be S-ON.
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Right. I've never heard of htcdev providing S-OFF before. Didn't do it on my One X, didn't do it on my Jetstream. This is quite curious indeed. Maybe I'll try unlocking again.
niceppl, what OS did you unlock with? 32/64bit? where did you get your "adb" executable from? Sorry for the onslaught of questions, but obviously we all want S-OFF!
craig0r said:
niceppl, what OS did you unlock with? 32/64bit? where did you get your "adb" executable from? Sorry for the onslaught of questions, but obviously we all want S-OFF!
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version of OS and adb mean nothing...........you're fishin here buddy....lol
sorry to hear thar
werid why mine became s-off
i did the process on my pc back home 64bit win 7 adb was installed before for galaxy nexus older version maybe.
im away with my mac atm
when im home i will try to pull the recovery from the pc and test for cwm
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA
Pirateghost said:
version of OS and adb mean nothing...........you're fishin here buddy....lol
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heh yeah, just looking for anything that might explain the difference. i wonder if Rogers secretly has more than one model, or maybe niceppl somehow got a dev unit by accident. There were 4 or 5 units of the HP Touchpad that made it into retail outlets with Qualcomm's development build of Android on it, so who knows.
seriously dude contact kenneth, jsl, sk8, the devs in our dev section. this may help them.
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ptesmoke said:
seriously dude contact kenneth, jsl, sk8, the devs in our dev section. this may help them.
Sent from my SGH-I897 using xda premium
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new to xda....(as a posting user...not just take and go...bad...)
I cant post in dev section but... sk8 knows and I just tested the cwm..with my s-off ...it didn't go....
flashed back the stock one I dumped...
If any cwm dev need me to get or test anything please feel free to message me.
Paul's works. Verified with my giant image. lol
yes mine too...hehe I love HTC again....
niceppl said:
sorry to hear thar
werid why mine became s-off
i did the process on my pc back home 64bit win 7 adb was installed before for galaxy nexus older version maybe.
im away with my mac atm
when im home i will try to pull the recovery from the pc and test for cwm
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA
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Is it at all possible that you may have used the Nexus AIO tool to try to unlock the bootloader? i say this because this section and theres have been easy to mistake if you just CTRL + F to find the phone. I found myself in the wrong forum mistakenly :| also maybe not having the ADB version different but having a different set of tools might have something. Maybe (no offense ) you mistakenly using the wrong tool might have been a godsend!!!
can you provide us with a logcat and a whole onslaught of information about what software you used and what versions they are.
Further more, i dont know if you do this but i tend to use super tool packages as a workaround from having to download the sdk and all that since the tools are included in there. if so could you send me a list of the files you added to the folders and what they are??
Thank you so much in advance
nice!
if this is all true, then please share, this will help a lot of people, has anyone else been able to do this?
and maybe i'm being dumb, but is the at&t version very different?
I can't s-off my HTC one x, I tries firewater, rumrunner and moonshine but all of them fail to work. My htc one x is running 4.1.1 and has hboot 2.14.0000. It is perm rooted and has been unlocked through HTC dev.
You haven't provided enough information. Just saying they fail to work is the same as saying nothing. Exactly what happens? How do they fail? Do you have SuperCID? Have you tried Facepalm s-off?
Sent from my Evita
timmaaa said:
You haven't provided enough information. Just saying they fail to work is the same as saying nothing. Exactly what happens? How do they fail? Do you have SuperCID? Have you tried Facepalm s-off?
Sent from my Evita
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I have supercid i did it by modifying the cid file with a hex editor then pushing it to the device. Firewater chugs all the bottles but still no buzz as it says after many retries. rumrunner cant download update package even though i rebooted pc and turned off windows and antivirus i tried each many times. As with moonshine i couldnt find a compatible version for me device the only ones listed are the htc one,one s, one vx, one s, one sv, htc evo, droid dna and htc first. Isint facepalm not compatible for my device? i could only find for one s,one xl and droid dna. i hope i provided enough info if not just ask for more.
I'm pretty sure you do have the HTC One XL, judging by the fact that you're posting in the One XL forum, and by your hboot version. What are your bootloader details?
Sent from my Evita
timmaaa said:
I'm pretty sure you do have the HTC One XL, judging by the fact that you're posting in the One XL forum, and by your hboot version. What are your bootloader details?
Sent from my Evita
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isint this the forum for the at&t and rogers htc one x? My bootloader details:
Tampered
Unlocked
Evita PVT SHIP S-ON RL
HBOOT-2.14.0000
RADIO-0.23a.32.09.29
OpenDSP-v31.1.0.45.0015
eMMC-boot
Nov 26 2012,18:37:14:-1
Yep this is the correct forum !
Any idea how to get s-off in my situation?
didimiaou said:
Any idea how to get s-off in my situation?
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The at&t One X and the HTC One XL are the same phone. Try the Facepalm method.
timmaaa said:
The at&t One X and the HTC One XL are the same phone. Try the Facepalm method.
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Oh i didnt know they were the same phone. I will try it and post my results.
Thanks a lot for all your help I am now s-off and my phone is now finnaly free from htcs grasp. Facepalm worked and I made sure to give you a thank you