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Had my new TF for a couple weeks now. I'm frustrated that my 18 month old Samsung Captivate (Galaxy S) is better in many ways: Flash support, streaming movies, general speed, standby battery life, etc. I'll admit, my phone is rooted and running a custom ROM, but shouldn't the dual-core and additional memory on the TF make for a smoother experience? Is anyone else experiencing the same type of issues?
To be honest, if you think your phone is better than your TF, I think you'll find that you're most likely alone in that opinion. Maybe I'm wrong tho...
definitely in the minority... i have a fascinate (galaxy S) and a transformer (and an iPad 1 for that matter) and the transformer absolutely screams... even pumping out a much higher screen resolution.
the latest 3.1 update has only made things better.... and you say "flash support and streaming video" as if the transformer doesnt support either, when it supports both.... HD flash plays 10x smoother on the transformer than the galaxy S.
Sounds like your phone is better than any tablet currently available.
Personally, I prefer to stare at a 10.1" screen rather than the 4.3" screen on my Evo, though my Evo does several things better than my TF. And my TF does several things better than my Evo. They compliment one another, I wasn't expecting a replacement.
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Sounds like your phone is better than any tablet currently available.
Personally, I prefer to stare at a 10.1" screen rather than the 4.3" screen on my Evo, though my Evo does several things better than my TF. And my TF does several things better than my Evo. They compliment one another, I wasn't expecting a replacement.
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^This and the Transformer's biggest advantage over any phone would be tabbed browsing
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comparing a phone to a 10 inch tablet that has an ips screen with over 720p resolution. I mean you are kidding yourself of even comparing the two
nope.
the tf supports flash, can stream movies, generally speedy, and good battery life.
your phone's battery life is more likely due to your custom undervolted kernel, non-dual core cpu, and not powering a 10.1 inch screen.
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javroch said:
To be honest, if you think your phone is better than your TF, I think you'll find that you're most likely alone in that opinion. Maybe I'm wrong tho...
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You aren't wrong. Also I think the Samsung Galaxy series sucks. I took my Epic back within a week. Touchwiz FTL.
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You aren't wrong. Also I think the Samsung Galaxy series sucks. I took my Epic back within a week. Touchwiz FTL.
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You know that there are other alternatives to touchwiz, lol. I replaced mine with launcherpro. Was infinitely better. Galaxy S series is a good set of phones. But I'll have to agree with everyone else in the thread and disagree with the OP. Samsung Captivate is NOT better than the TF...by any means. But as mentioned before, the tablet is to compliment my phone, not replace it.
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You know that there are other alternatives to touchwiz, lol. I replaced mine with launcherpro. Was infinitely better. Galaxy S series is a good set of phones. But I'll have to agree with everyone else in the thread and disagree with the OP. Samsung Captivate is NOT better than the TF...by any means. But as mentioned before, the tablet is to compliment my phone, not replace it.
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yea, i like my galaxy S, and i've never even touched touchwiz.
i went from droid 1 to incredible (amoled) to the DX to the samsung... the samsung is my favorite by far..... of course i'm also an audiophile and i love the wolfson audio chipset, and the galaxy has the better camera of the 4.
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You know that there are other alternatives to touchwiz, lol. I replaced mine with launcherpro. Was infinitely better. Galaxy S series is a good set of phones. But I'll have to agree with everyone else in the thread and disagree with the OP. Samsung Captivate is NOT better than the TF...by any means. But as mentioned before, the tablet is to compliment my phone, not replace it.
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Running darky on my galaxy i9000m, perfect (for a phone...) but the transformer wins hand down, just received the dock and it looks GREAT (still waiting for it to be fully charged ) well, gonna start taking notes on it starting tomorrow...
Did i say the transformer wins hand down over my phone?
I've got a galaxy S myself and since getting my tablet i find that my phone is constantly pissing me off and i keep thinking why can't my phone be more like my tablet.
We all know Asus' solution to this predicament...PadPhone
Back on topic, I'm not sure what you mean when you say your captivate is better in the flash department? My TF runs flash just as well as my Evo (as they are using the same 10.3 build hacked for hulu) My battery life on Primordial 3.1 is just as good as my tablet in terms of life, as a matter of fact because I use the TF now i suppose you can say that the Evo has been getting better battery life as it hasn't really been in use at all.
In terms of smoothness, running Primodial 3.1 vs CM7 nightlies + Tiamat, the tablet slows down occasionally where i would stutter on the evo. I have a feeling this is due to the apps themselves not being optimized to utilize two cores, its the same deal with computers where even if you have a 8-core cpu it won't matter if the software can't take advantage of it. On the homescreens, running the same widgets an both on launcherpro, the transformer consistenty stays smooth while the evo would occasionally slow down.
Compared to my friends' Epics, the transformer is just as smooth, which leads to my confusion as to why it would seem your phone is better than your tablet, nevermind that one isn't meant to replace the other.
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I think I get what he is saying. To me Android 2.3 is more mature, feels more stable, optimized and faster. While Android 3.0 is basically new, rushed, less stable, far from optimized, and just doesn't feel as responsive.
I don't really blame Google for rushing Honeycomb out the door. They needed something more tailored for a tablet and Apple was just owning the entire tablet market for an entire year.
And while Android 3 still feels pretty rough, I certainly welcome it's new features and tablet friendly feel over Android 2.3, so I'm okay sacrificing a bit of stability and speed. And Android 3.x will also get better over time too.
Also think the big 1280x800 screen probably slows some aspects of it down too, versus the 800x480 screen on the Galaxy S phone.
Hopefully the Transformer gets Android Ice Cream Sandwich later this year. I think that'll be a big improvement over Honeycomb. As now Google doesn't really have to rush that out the door as urgently and can make sure it's done right.
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I think I get what he is saying. To me Android 2.3 is more mature, feels more stable, optimized and faster. While Android 3.0 is basically new, rushed, less stable, far from optimized, and just doesn't feel as responsive.
I don't really blame Google for rushing Honeycomb out the door. They needed something more tailored for a tablet and Apple was just owning the entire tablet market for an entire year.
And while Android 3 still feels pretty rough, I certainly welcome it's new features and tablet friendly feel over Android 2.3, so I'm okay sacrificing a bit of stability and speed. And Android 3.x will also get better over time too.
Also think the big 1280x800 screen probably slows some aspects of it down too, versus the 800x480 screen on the Galaxy S phone.
Hopefully the Transformer gets Android Ice Cream Sandwich later this year. I think that'll be a big improvement over Honeycomb. As now Google doesn't really have to rush that out the door as urgently and can make sure it's done right.
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I've always kind of assumed they kept Honeycomb closed source because it's a bit of a hack job and they didn't want anyone to see how messy their apartment is.
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To be honest, if you think your phone is better than your TF, I think you'll find that you're most likely alone in that opinion. Maybe I'm wrong tho...
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Definitely not saying the phone is better overall. I love the TF for the keyboard dock, large screen and battery life, I am just disappointed that flash websites seem slow and that the TF loses so much battery in standby. For example, the phone loss the XDA site (desktop version) twice as fast as the TF. Just seems strange.
It seems like everyone else is having no slowdown problems like I am experiencing on flash sites. Hopefully the upgrade to 3.1 will improve things. Thanks you for your insightful reply.
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I think I get what he is saying. To me Android 2.3 is more mature, feels more stable, optimized and faster. While Android 3.0 is basically new, rushed, less stable, far from optimized, and just doesn't feel as responsive.
I don't really blame Google for rushing Honeycomb out the door. They needed something more tailored for a tablet and Apple was just owning the entire tablet market for an entire year.
And while Android 3 still feels pretty rough, I certainly welcome it's new features and tablet friendly feel over Android 2.3, so I'm okay sacrificing a bit of stability and speed. And Android 3.x will also get better over time too.
Also think the big 1280x800 screen probably slows some aspects of it down too, versus the 800x480 screen on the Galaxy S phone.
Hopefully the Transformer gets Android Ice Cream Sandwich later this year. I think that'll be a big improvement over Honeycomb. As now Google doesn't really have to rush that out the door as urgently and can make sure it's done right.
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Thank you, that is basically what I was saying. Still love my TF though.
My Galaxy S (custom rom) runs great compared to my rooted tf101. Right now almost every benchmark I run, the samsung galaxy out performs. To give you an idea, quadrant on my vibrant is running over 2300 as compared to 1500 on tf101. Frame rates are also better. (btw, I know about quadrants flaws...so save it) Linpack results are better on the tab..but not by much. As mentioned before, it is probably because the os and rom have been tweaked with every known hack. As this tablet matures and developers have the time to optimize the performance I bet this thing will fly. It is just very rough out the door but I am real happy with my transformer. I guess I know what the potential it has going for it. for those looking for a nice refined tablet, the ipad2 is very sweet. I'm not really an Apple fan, but it is a great product. Now only if the jailbreak will come out for the ipad2!
(BTW, I am looking forward to getting a galaxy s ll dual core shortly!!)
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My Galaxy S (custom rom) runs great compared to my rooted tf101. Right now almost every benchmark I run, the samsung galaxy out performs. To give you an idea, quadrant on my vibrant is running over 2300 as compared to 1500 on tf101. Frame rates are also better. (btw, I know about quadrants flaws...so save it) Linpack results are better on the tab..but not by much. As mentioned before, it is probably because the os and rom have been tweaked with every known hack. As this tablet matures and developers have the time to optimize the performance I bet this thing will fly. It is just very rough out the door but I am real happy with my transformer. I guess I know what the potential it has going for it. for those looking for a nice refined tablet, the ipad2 is very sweet. I'm not really an Apple fan, but it is a great product. Now only if the jailbreak will come out for the ipad2!
(BTW, I am looking forward to getting a galaxy s ll dual core shortly!!)
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You're comparing apples to oranges with a tool that's not great at comparing apples or oranges in the first place. Quadrant/Linpack aren't a valid measurement between two different devices. The best they can be used for is comparing your own device against itself after changing things / tinkering.
Either way, I am more than happy with the performance of my TF and I am totally unrooted and unmodified. There's really very little I even use my phone for any more, besides as a phone.. Flash runs well, my battery live is actually surprisingly great. To be honest, when I first read the initial post I thought it was a joke.
Hello Xoom owners!
I am considering joining your crowd, and unfortunately, I cannot get in with the Staples deal. Would you mind answering a few questions for me ?
1) How is ICS official release shaping up for you, any nagging issues or lost functionality?
2) I've found a used Xoom (wifi, ics) at the same price (~$330) as a new Transformer TF101. There are dozens of comparisons, I know, but I can't get over the fact that the local B&M's seem to have more than a few open box asus returns due to issues. That being said should I consider getting the xoom at this point?
3) Have any of you experienced any long-term reliability issues? I've searched and searched, and it seems somewhat few and far-between. Big things I am after is stand-alone GPS performance, and screen with minimal light-bleed.
4) Forget xoom completely, and wait? But for what?
Many Thanks
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1) How is ICS official release shaping up for you, any nagging issues or lost functionality?
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So, one of the big perks with the Motorola Xoom is it's easily unlocked bootloader. This gives you the obvious advantage of NOT having to run the stock software. If just running stock is more what you're into, I would look at other options in the field, personally.
Current ICS based roms, however, have fleshed out very nicely for our device. There doesn't appear to be any lost functionality or issues and I've been quite happy since I started flashing them. Speed seems as good, if not better and my fantastic battery life just keeps getting better.
2) I've found a used Xoom (wifi, ics) at the same price (~$330) as a new Transformer TF101. There are dozens of comparisons, I know, but I can't get over the fact that the local B&M's seem to have more than a few open box asus returns due to issues. That being said should I consider getting the xoom at this point?
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Can't say I'm crazy about the Transformer, but that's just me. The only real selling point it has over the Xoom, as far as I can see, is the ability to attach the keyboard. Personally, if that's something I really needed, I would have looked into an Apple Air (or a beefy netbook).
3) Have any of you experienced any long-term reliability issues? I've searched and searched, and it seems somewhat few and far-between. Big things I am after is stand-alone GPS performance, and screen with minimal light-bleed.
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Long term, no. I was a day-one 3g model adopter and some of those fresh off the assembly line models had some questionable build issues. Mine, for example, would made this odd creaking noise if you applied any pressure to the left side of the screen and the seam between the speakers/camera and the component cover was a little squishy if I were to press it the right way.
So I took mine back to Verizon and my replacement was flawless That is, until I dropped it in the fountain the atrium at work while trying to avoid hitting some kids running around, and the thing stopped working. Thankfully, Verizon sorta had my back and we hopped on a call with Motorola and the Verizon CSR more or less strong armed Motorola into giving me a free replacement.
4) Forget xoom completely, and wait? But for what?
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I can't say what to wait for, but you are looking at picking up a device that has been discontinued. It has, in my experience, great performance and I don't personally plan to replace mine for at LEAST another year or more. If you're OK with that, you'll be getting a lot of tablet for the $300 mark, even if it's not the top of the line model.
My guess is the Xoom will still be a solid option for another 12-18 months for those who don't need to have the super-duper top of the line everything. Sure, there will be a few games that will work better on new hardware, but the core of what you would use a tablet for would likely not benefit from newer models in that time frame.
^ Thank you, that is what I wanted to hear.
I don't see much value in the latest and greatest thus far, and though it feels like I am overpaying at this point (considering other member deals), I do feel the reliability and community support is there.
And the stand-alone GPS is fantastic.
I am looking to get into this tablet as well any tips I should know before buying ???(I have a hook up at staples getting the display )
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I am looking to get into this tablet as well any tips I should know before buying ???
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Like I said above, the biggest think to remember is that you would be buying a device that has been discontinued. So in very short order, it will be extremely hard to find chargers, docks, cases, etc as most places will have liquidated their inventory. My tip would be to make sure you buy anything you even think you may want for this thing when you buy it.
The only thing that I don't like in the Xoom is the screen which has some ghosting effect with some colors.
Compared to my Galaxy S2 screen it has a lot less quality, but at least it doesn't hurt eyes of you use it for a long time (amoled screens seem more tiring to me).
Materials are very good, it is very solid and ICS is amazing.
If you have ever seen a tablet with Honeycomb... forget about that! Ice Cream Sandwich is a lot faster, smother and stable.
Asus Transformer has a better screen (as far as I know, I have never seen it) but worse materials.
And not only it has not official ICS. It doesn't even have a decent ICS custom ROM.
If you are lucky to get Xoom for a good price it's awesome, ICS feels so smooth
One thing about the Transformer 1 is that the screen is better except for a huge amount of light bleeding. I returned mine for that reason and got the Xoom. Very happy with it.
Consider the Samsung Galaxy or the Transformer Prime. I got the Prime and its good, quad core, thin and a very good screen with no light bleed. Best buy here has them in stock.
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I was pretty excited to upgrade from my xoom to this amazing tablet. Specs up the wazzoo...
But I am very disappointed. I lag is really bad. I if I am doing something like downloading and app other things basically freeze up. Using the browser is laggy while downloading. Battery life is also pretty poor compared to the xoom. I use my tablet at work.. My xoom easily lasts all day and even into the next day. The infinity however was giving me a low battery warning at the end of the day.
Yes the screen is nice and the tablet is thinner and lighter. It has a dock which is all great but doesn't mean anything if it stutters and lags giving me constant app not responding errors. I would have thought it had a hardware problem except forums everywhere are talking about poor job performance. Let me be clear it isn't poor it is aweful!
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ethion said:
I was pretty excited to upgrade from my xoom to this amazing tablet. Specs up the wazzoo...
But I am very disappointed. I lag is really bad. I if I am doing something like downloading and app other things basically freeze up. Using the browser is laggy while downloading. Battery life is also pretty poor compared to the xoom. I use my tablet at work.. My xoom easily lasts all day and even into the next day. The infinity however was giving me a low battery warning at the end of the day.
Yes the screen is nice and the tablet is thinner and lighter. It has a dock which is all great but doesn't mean anything if it stutters and lags giving me constant app not responding errors. I would have thought it had a hardware problem except forums everywhere are talking about poor job performance. Let me be clear it isn't poor it is aweful!
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It seems, as if I were the only one with a tablet that performs well! I am happy with my Informer in respect of hardware quality and useability. I would buy it again anytime!
t2reset said:
It seems, as if I were the only one with a tablet that performs well! I am happy with my Informer in respect of hardware quality and useability. I would buy it again anytime!
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That's good to hear... Hopefully after some firmware updates we will all be able to say the same.
I haven't had any problems with mine. Seems to operate pretty snappy. I've installed the Chrome browser and never even used the stock browser.
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It seems, as if I were the only one with a tablet that performs well! I am happy with my Informer in respect of hardware quality and useability. I would buy it again anytime!
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You're not alone. Yes, the 700 has its quirks and minor defects, but I love it so far. Provides gerat functionality and is snappy enough. Just want the I/O to be fixed and I'll be completely happy.
@OP: Battery life for my device is pretty god, as the battery easily gets me through 1,5 days of work, so I guess you'll have to let it settle in for a bit. You might be judging it too quickly.
I had some of the same feelings the first day while I tried to use it as it downloaded and installed over 150 apps. But by the second day I was really seeing great performance. I did get a system reboot after a hang in Facebook tho.
Battery life was pretty impressive. Over 13 hours with 3 hours screen on time and still 30% left. That's without the additional dock battery. And that was on performance mode and max brightness non-super ips+ almost the whole time.
Have not got mine yet, still deciding...
But it seems the OP was experiencing the I/O issue. But how often will you be downloading/transfering any files/apps on this.
Once that is done, from what I read the experience is great.
Also, I have read to try a different browser as well. Either Chrome or Dolphin. Try those and report back.
Have had mine for a day and a half. It really stutters and is quite herkee-jerkee with some apps (Adobe Reader, for one) and on website browsing. It frequently takes a second or three for the page to become focused. Never experienced this with the iPad. Quite a let down.
Wow - I can't believe what I'm reading! Personally, coming from a TF101, I think the Infinity is absolutely awesome! Personally, I have a feeling that the 1-3 second pauses are more of an Android thing than a hardware issues. I'm wondering if the hardware is starting to surpass Android in terms of performance...
But I haven't really experienced these major slow downs. Sure, it'll get a little slow while downloading/installating apps, but isn't that kinda to be expected?
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Wow - I can't believe what I'm reading! Personally, coming from a TF101, I think the Infinity is absolutely awesome! Personally, I have a feeling that the 1-3 second pauses are more of an Android thing than a hardware issues. I'm wondering if the hardware is starting to surpass Android in terms of performance...
But I haven't really experienced these major slow downs. Sure, it'll get a little slow while downloading/installating apps, but isn't that kinda to be expected?
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Agreed. Got mine yesterday - no I/O issues to speak of. Love the build quality, the screen - everything is ultra smooth. Fantastic kit and it blows the Ipad out of the water.
Installing apps in the fresh won't happen all that often, but since it hangs also when updating apps, you'll stll encounter it frequently.
Also, Dolphin is a privacy black hole -- in the past, they were caught red-handed when stealing all possible kinds of users' info without their consent. I'd stay away from it and use Opera or Boat instead (if needed at all, because the stock browser actually is suprisingly quick about its stuff).
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Wow - I can't believe what I'm reading! Personally, coming from a TF101, I think the Infinity is absolutely awesome! Personally, I have a feeling that the 1-3 second pauses are more of an Android thing than a hardware issues. .
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It doesn't happen on my ICS Android phone, so I have to differ with this hypothesis.
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Installing apps in the fresh won't happen all that often, but since it hangs also when updating apps, you'll stll encounter it frequently.
Also, Dolphin is a privacy black hole -- in the past, they were caught red-handed when stealing all possible kinds of users' info without their consent. I'd stay away from it and use Opera or Boat instead (if needed at all, because the stock browser actually is suprisingly quick about its stuff).
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It's good you're pointing the finger towards these issues, I've done some pretty bad advertising of Dolphin before I read more about it. Nevertheless, I'd still add Chrome to the list.
i came from a xoom as well and i feel the opposite. yes there was lag while downloading my apps, but once it was completed, i havent had any lag issues. the ability of having a fully functioning memory card is also a step up from the xoom. the xoom had its issues as well. i will till keep my xoom around because it will probably get JB first. But i doubt i will ever use it as my main device.
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Installing apps in the fresh won't happen all that often, but since it hangs also when updating apps, you'll stll encounter it frequently.
Also, Dolphin is a privacy black hole -- in the past, they were caught red-handed when stealing all possible kinds of users' info without their consent. I'd stay away from it and use Opera or Boat instead (if needed at all, because the stock browser actually is suprisingly quick about its stuff).
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It doesn't happen on my ICS Android phone, so I have to differ with this hypothesis.
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I've touched upon these issues before, but to rehash: I think the current version(s) of Android is/are ill-equipped for the incredibly powerful hardware we now get onto the market. I've given the example before that Unix systems scale beautifully on low-spec hardware and that they outperform any other OS in that scenario, but that they won't show that much improvement if you up the specs to the level we're now using in both our desktops and on the go, whereas in that case the other OSes gain much performance.
It will improve (and quite possibly vastly), but FullHD is a bit too much to bite off and chew for Android at the moment.
Dutch's phone runs beautifully on ICS (as does mine) because the hardware is more in line with what the developers were expecting to have to drive.
Wait and see.
It's quite pecuilar that iOS is actually based on the BSD systems (UNIX) and how far it got from there, not always in a good way. Let's hope Android, being based on Linux, will copy the best, not the worst paths here.
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ethion said:
I was pretty excited to upgrade from my xoom to this amazing tablet. Specs up the wazzoo...
But I am very disappointed. I lag is really bad. I if I am doing something like downloading and app other things basically freeze up. Using the browser is laggy while downloading. Battery life is also pretty poor compared to the xoom. I use my tablet at work.. My xoom easily lasts all day and even into the next day. The infinity however was giving me a low battery warning at the end of the day.
Yes the screen is nice and the tablet is thinner and lighter. It has a dock which is all great but doesn't mean anything if it stutters and lags giving me constant app not responding errors. I would have thought it had a hardware problem except forums everywhere are talking about poor job performance. Let me be clear it isn't poor it is aweful!
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I upgraded from a Xoom and absolutely love it! Really smooth, great battery life, and the screen is gorgeous.
My wife ow has the Xoom, so were both happy!
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MartyHulskemper said:
I've touched upon these issues before, but to rehash: I think the current version(s) of Android is/are ill-equipped for the incredibly powerful hardware we now get onto the market. I've given the example before that Unix systems scale beautifully on low-spec hardware and that they outperform any other OS in that scenario, but that they won't show that much improvement if you up the specs to the level we're now using in both our desktops and on the go, whereas in that case the other OSes gain much performance.
It will improve (and quite possibly vastly), but FullHD is a bit too much to bite off and chew for Android at the moment.
Dutch's phone runs beautifully on ICS (as does mine) because the hardware is more in line with what the developers were expecting to have to drive.
Wait and see.
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Hopefully Google giving the UI priority in jellly bean will help with that.
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I upgraded from a Xoom and absolutely love it! Really smooth, great battery life, and the screen is gorgeous.
My wife ow has the Xoom, so were both happy!
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Hopefully Google giving the UI priority in jellly bean will help with that.
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I'm all for android, never tried apple product before, but lately wanted too see what iPad would be like in real life.
After paying $500-600 for a tablet and return period ends, I don't want to be the one left hoping that maybe Jelly Bean will make it better. Except for screen, iPad's hardware is much less powerful then Infinity's but it runs smooth.
I really believe it's a software fault, 1 android system is made for all, which brings all the bugs.
When an apply is made for iPad it's tested on the same iPad it will be used on. As simple as that!
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Have not got mine yet, still deciding...
But it seems the OP was experiencing the I/O issue. But how often will you be downloading/transfering any files/apps on this.
Once that is done, from what I read the experience is great.
Also, I have read to try a different browser as well. Either Chrome or Dolphin. Try those and report back.
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It isn't only the download and install of apps although that is worst. After using the xoom it is honestly just not as smooth. Yes some things are smooth and good. Like playing a game or swipping screens but things are definitely not right with this device. And it has hang issues from time to time just out of the blue. Course I have a lot of stuff going on. I have gmail, person mail, exchange mail, I have rss feeds, I have news apps. So I have quite few apps that will pull data from time to time.
But nothing I didn't exactly have setup the same on the xoom. Considering the xoom of a year old I'd REALLY expect this device to be at least as good.
Ive never owned a tab before of any kind, so this Infinity will be my first. I dunno how it's gonna be for me, but I hope I don't have as bad of I/O errors some seem to have.
I think the tf700's tegra3 even if it's clocked at 1.6ghz is struggling with its FHD's resolution. The lag is so much noticeable when browsing and scrolling the screen. Do you think there is still a solution to this lagginess on the next update ? The tf300 is still having some performance issue even after the JB update so im kinda skeptical if it will make the device faster. I think Asus shouldn't have released this tablet with FHD until the tegra4 comes out, on paper the tegra is an awesome SOC with its quad core + 1 and 12 core GPU but numbers doesnt translate to a faster device. What do you guys think?
Think that its simply a software problem. All the hiccups you see happen across all android tabs running ICS. Once JB gets here AND is optimized, we will be fine. I stress the whole optimization part because it always takes time and more updates after something as big as JB to get all the kinks out.
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The lag is mostly from the io issues. I get smooth scrolling usually.
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As you may see in my signature that i owned both device so i love them both and i cant live without this 2 device but i was saddened when i saw this one post on the other forum see and judge for yourself.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=30979075&postcount=296
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So i did some further research why the nexus 7 is slightly faster than our tf700 then i came across this review about i/o nand flash . Although the nexus 7 is slightly faster than our infinity its is still rather slow. That comes to my conclusion that the i/o issues plaguing the asus tablets cannot be improved due to a slower components.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6073/the-google-nexus-7-review/6
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Good post
The thing "I" (or "me" if you will) notice is..............
Using a paid app store utility (rooted) I have forced all the Tegras cores "on" to max clock.
I'm thinking the GPU is now working harder to render because the CPU is really pumping.
Of course this just eats battery time, yet I don't care because I'm plugged in 99% of the time.
Lately the browsers I've been battling with in the past seem to have been not shutting me out.
Also when scrolling the screen I haven't seen any stuttering...been pretty happy about this.
Being constantly tethered to the AC brick is a bumout however.
Yeah, the random read/write on these SSD drives is terrible along with the write/read in benchmarks. The ram I don't think really matters as much, but Asus dropped the ball on the SSD. SSD problems can be hidden with an OS that manages the ram really well though (as long as you always have more ram avaialble than being used).
The wireless radio really does seem to be a huge power hog and have mediocre reception. I lose bars in places my ipad gets full reception.
Samsung really benefits from being a premier LCD, Solid-State-Chip, and now CPU manufacturer. The Exnyos is also an impressive CPU in terms of power/battery life (versus Tegra). Samsung is the only one with commercially avaialble 30 nm Ram chips (which are cheap and overclock better than any gaming ram on the market) and their 830 SSD drives are the very best out there.
I think the problem with Tegra is that battery life is rather overwhelming and I feel that they rushed to market in order to be the first quad-core CPU. The architecture seems to have problems with battery life. The Tegra 3 was amazing when the original Transformer PRime was released but with recent CPU's like the Qualcomm S4 Dragon beating it in battery life and Exnyos Quad-core doing the same, it has a tough job.
However, raw tablet power is a means not an end. I almost always use power-saving while not docked (and will underclock once jellybean comes out and there is a good rom for it). The main problem right now is really the awful I/O. Asus can make most of the problem disappear by utilizing the ram better to create the illusion of smoothness.
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I/O in our infinity is even worse than the prime....about 1/4 of the prime....this really disappointed me....
Hmm, I've been using the TF700 since it came out and I just don't see what the big deal is - it runs great for me! I keep seeing all of the specs compared, etc, but at the end of the day, I think that the TF700 runs pretty well. Most of the time during normal use, the device is not being stressed to the point where these "flaws" are apparent. Is it going to slow down while installing 10 apps - sure - but who cares? How often do you have 10 apps installing?
The games I've used run great and look *awesome*. Text is super clear - contrast is simply amazing, etc.
Now, QC is certainly an issue for Asus - I can't deny that one! I just hope I'm still so happy with the device 6 months or a year from now... But for now, I'd take a TF700 over a Samsung Note any day, even knowing of the "issues" with the TF700. The Note is simply not a a good fit for what I want, regardless of how well it's build inside (or out).
I could care less about the specs - as long as the device does what I want and does it well (which so far, the TF700 does). I can only imagine that the software will get better over time as well, making the experience even better.
But again, it all depends what you want/need in a device. I have *zero* use for a Spen for my usage habits.
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jtrosky said:
Hmm, I've been using the TF700 since it came out and I just don't see what the big deal is - it runs great for me! I keep seeing all of the specs compared, etc, but at the end of the day, I think that the TF700 runs pretty well. Most of the time during normal use, the device is not being stressed to the point where these "flaws" are apparent. Is it going to slow down while installing 10 apps - sure - but who cares? How often do you have 10 apps installing?
The games I've used run great and look *awesome*. Text is super clear - contrast is simply amazing, etc.
Now, QC is certainly an issue for Asus - I can't deny that one! I just hope I'm still so happy with the device 6 months or a year from now... But for now, I'd take a TF700 over a Samsung Note any day, even knowing of the "issues" with the TF700. The Note is simply not a a good fit for what I want, regardless of how well it's build inside (or out).
I could care less about the specs - as long as the device does what I want and does it well (which so far, the TF700 does). I can only imagine that the software will get better over time as well, making the experience even better.
But again, it all depends what you want/need in a device. I have *zero* use for a Spen for my usage habits.
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Here..here!!
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Here..here!!
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Lots of people complain about IO and other problems, things are slow to respond, etc.
It all comes down to knowing your device. Yes if its reading or writing it will be slow to do other things. If your doing mainly one thing at a time, or using optimized apps, its awesome!
Yes, stock browser sucks. use dolphin or boat. 90% of your problems solved right there. Kill / delete / remove stock bloat that kills your ram and CPU, there goes another chunk of the problem. Know your tablet, streamline what you can, dont wait for Asus to fix the problem, be proactive in making sure everything is running smooth.
So the i/o problem is simply because of the slow nand chip then why are some people saying that we just dont have a properly compiled firmware. So this is basically a dead end for our tablet as this is a hardware issue and cant be fixed by just slapping a JB . That explain why the tf300 is still slow after the update.
Running off of a class 10 microsd, using bsplayer, I can play back a ~10GB 1080p MKV without issue...
I think nobody really knows if hardware or software. Many are hoping it to be software so can be fixed. Certainly not ics or jb issue as other tabs with ics is as stable as ipad.
If true though one statement gives a little hope (hence i am still checking this forum) is someone claimed with custom rom zeus he got rl benchmark down to 20's, which is what galaxy note 10 runs and never seen anr message. So maybe really software.
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I think nobody really knows if hardware or software. Many are hoping it to be software so can be fixed. Certainly not ics or jb issue as other tabs with ics is as stable as ipad.
If true though one statement gives a little hope (hence i am still checking this forum) is someone claimed with custom rom zeus he got rl benchmark down to 20's, which is what galaxy note 10 runs and never seen anr message. So maybe really software.
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I sure hope so
My Infinity is lag free. I even downloaded 10 apps at once, as as a previous poster suggested it caused lag. I had ZERO lag! I am issue free here guys. So I am a verklempt, when I see some say they have problems with their units.
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I think nobody really knows if hardware or software. Many are hoping it to be software so can be fixed. Certainly not ics or jb issue as other tabs with ics is as stable as ipad.
If true though one statement gives a little hope (hence i am still checking this forum) is someone claimed with custom rom zeus he got rl benchmark down to 20's, which is what galaxy note 10 runs and never seen anr message. So maybe really software.
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I'm the one, on the Zeus v3 my RL benchmark was 22 overall and on the new Zeus v4 I got RL benchmarch down to 19 overall. Random writes is still slow but SQL lite is fantastic. So I do think software is the key to getting the tablet performance you were hoping for. We have just begun to scratch the surface with this beast.
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I'm the one, on the Zeus v3 my RL benchmark was 22 overall and on the new Zeus v4 I got RL benchmarch down to 19 overall. Random writes is still slow but SQL lite is fantastic. So I do think software is the key to getting the tablet performance you were hoping for. We have just begun to scratch the surface with this beast.
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Jetrosky also showed his result being 20 in balance mode. Asus should simply use Zeus as their next firmware or hire Zeus. But yes with thus I believe it's not hardware but software. Asus needs better programmer.
As title says, which one would you prefer. I'm on 4.1.1 so I won't be able to flash nvflash with my asus infinity. How big is the risk for me to unlock then install cleanrom?
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As title says, which one would you prefer. I'm on 4.1.1 so I won't be able to flash nvflash with my asus infinity. How big is the risk for me to unlock then install cleanrom?
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If you do it right, no risk really, (maybe .1%, but this come with anything). I have been testing like uninstall/reinstall/reformat/switching internal memory to sdcard/downgrade/upgrade/incremental upgrade/flashing kernels about at least 20 times and mine is running top notch.
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If you do it right, no risk really, (maybe .1%, but this come with anything). I have been testing like uninstall/reinstall/reformat/switching internal memory to sdcard/downgrade/upgrade/incremental upgrade/flashing kernels about at least 20 times and mine is running top notch.
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and you don't have nvflash? I'm just debating whether or not to unlock it, because once I do I can't really sell it to get the nexus 10. I feel like the nexus 10 will have more dev support over the years...however I will stick with the tf700 if it performs better than the n10 with cleanmod and with an overclock
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How big is the risk for me to unlock then install cleanrom?
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I agree it's low or no risk...
Although don't do it just because.
If you really are trying to talk yourself into a Nexus then it might be better to leave the TFI as is.
Are you happy overall with the TF700T?
Coming from the ground up
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I agree it's low or no risk...
Although don't do it just because.
If you really are trying to talk yourself into a Nexus then it might be better to leave the TFI as is.
Are you happy overall with the TF700T?
Coming from the ground up
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it's not as smooth as I had hoped it to be but I heard cleanmod fixes this.
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it's not as smooth as I had hoped it to be but I heard cleanmod fixes this.
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Yes, CleanRom and Clemsyn and data2sd really make this thing worth more than $500. I'm very happy with it. When I first purchased the device, my wife and kids refused to use it due to performance and broswer, now they're fighting to grab it.
I am personally running clean and oc and it is awesome, but hard to compare to something that no one has in their hands. If you are unsure just wait. check out the 10 then go from there. my decision to unlock was based on the external sd and dock. Nexus will have options too , but I decided to hang on to my 700 and getting my kids nexus 7's for xmas so I will have some nexus fun too...
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it's not as smooth as I had hoped it to be but I heard cleanmod fixes this.
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Yep,
I have to say with CleanROM and the newest Clemsyn's I no longer consider my TFI a clunker...
The biggest risk is that any future hardware failure will be very expensive for you (if you want a working TF700 back).
I'm on paranoid Android with Clemsyn's CM10 based kernel. No data to sd and I love it! Super fast. My tablet feels rock solid. I don't understand why some complain about build quality. I love the slim sexy look. Can't wait to get my micro sd to try data to sd. Hearing how awesome it is will make this thing crazy good. I wouldn't own a tablet or phone I couldn't hack on. I love development and it's quickly turned into my favorite hobby the past couple years
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i dont like mine at all and want a nexus 10. i shoudlnt have to unlock void this and the other i just want something that works. i do a lot of flashing on my htx one x to get it where it "should be" while all my friends just buy their ipad 4 and have zero things to do on them, just use them as intented. i stick to android because i need it to do a load more than iOS can give me but damn sometimes i wish google would just make a stable version. oh wait. its called a nexus 10. lol and theres no luck in selling these things. who knows about a transformer infinity ? resale value is low >_>
This is Engadget's verdict about the Nexus 10:
"At under $400, the Nexus 10 is a compelling package, but despite that display it can't quite muster best-in-class performances across the charts. In fact, other than a relative lack of resolution (1,920 x 1,200 vs. this guy's 2,560 x 1,600) the Transformer Pad Infinity TF700 is, we think, an overall better package. It's thinner, lighter, faster, has a much better camera, offers better battery life (particularly if you opt for the keyboard dock) and, frankly, we'd take the brightness and contrast of that 600 nit, Super IPS+ panel over this one with its extra pixels.
What does ASUS's offering lack? Well, Android 4.2 for one thing, but as we've shown above you're just an aftermarket keyboard app away from getting the best that has to offer right now. And, the Nexus 10 does have a lower starting price of $399 for a 16GB model. The cheapest we were able to find the TF700 currently is $477 -- but that's for 32GB, so it's actually $20 cheaper than the 32GB Nexus 10. Plus, the TF700 offers expandable storage.
The Nexus 7 impressed us on nearly every front. What few flaws there were we more than forgave thanks to its bargain-basement price. At $400 to $500, the Nexus 10 is actually on par with many other 10-inch Android competitors -- even a little more expensive than some -- and, with average performance in most areas and sub-par battery life, it's relying on that incredibly high resolution and fresh Android build to set it apart. Sadly, neither is enough to distance this tablet from the competition.
The resolution is indeed quite nice but in many ways, the Super IPS+ panel on the ASUS Transformer Pad Infinity TF700 is even nicer, and other than that new keyboard there's nothing much in Android 4.2 to get excited about right now. Of course, the true beauty of the Nexus line is that when 4.3 rolls around this slate will be the first to get it, and that is certainly worth something. But is it worth enough to make up for this tablet's other shortcomings?"
So go and buy a Nexus 10 and be happy
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i dont like mine at all and want a nexus 10. i shoudlnt have to unlock void this and the other i just want something that works. i do a lot of flashing on my htx one x to get it where it "should be" while all my friends just buy their ipad 4 and have zero things to do on them, just use them as intented. i stick to android because i need it to do a load more than iOS can give me but damn sometimes i wish google would just make a stable version. oh wait. its called a nexus 10. lol and theres no luck in selling these things. who knows about a transformer infinity ? resale value is low >_>
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i shoudlnt have to unlock void this and the other i just want something that works.
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First, it sounds like the OP already has a TF700. For someone that's going to have to take a loss to get a N10 the question of which to get is different than someone just looking to buy a tablet. It also depends on what OP does with his tablet. The one place where the N10 will blow anything else out there away is gaming. Teg3 is a fifteen month old 40nm A9 chip and in the TF700 it's running at its maximum resolution output. The Mali in the N10 has 2/3 more memory bandwidth and that's huge. For consumption, browsing, and utility type stuff it doesn't make sense to go from a TF700 to a N10.
For someone looking for a new tablet unless they need the keyboard, extended battery life, Super IPS display, and expandable storage it makes no sense to buy a TF700 over a N10. The N10's designed by Google and built by Samsung so it will run well out of the box, be built well, have great service and support, and be updated regularly well in to the future. And it costs less too.
And 95% of people buying a tablet don't know what a bootloader is so what they get out of the box is what they're going to have to live with. To get competitive performance out of the TF700 you guys on this forum have done some of the best work I've seen on XDA. But at the end of the day your $499 tablet costs $649 ($499+$100 SquareTrade for voiding warranty+$50 Class 10 SD card for data2SD to fix read/write issues) which is almost the same price as the most expensive tablet available: the 64GB iPad. And even after that it doesn't have 5GHz dual-channel Wi-Fi, BT4.0, Glonass-support, NFC, and other more modern features. So for a non-XDA audience not needing or wanting the TF700's extra features they'll have a far better experience with a stock N10.
Without unlocking, rooting, and risking file corruption the TF700's performance isn't really competitive. Here's a stock TF700 on the latest JB update vs. a stock Note 10.1 on yesterday's JB release. I can't imagine the N10 in final shippable form on pure 4.2 won't at least match the Note's performance. And if someone applied the same SQL tweaks and other things you've guys have had to do to the Note 10.1 the vast difference in stock performance would carry through when looking at them tweaked vs. tweaked. The difference being no one's done it because it's not necessary. And you know the dev community for the N10 will be huge and they'll be able to get a lot more out of the N10 matching or exceeding your gains over stock.
So which to pick depends on whether someone's willing to heavily modify their device to make it perform well, whether more modern features matter, how big a deal the non-expandable storage is on the N10, and how important Asus' unique features are. There’s really no one-size-fits-all answer if you’re being objective.
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For someone looking for a new tablet unless they need the keyboard, extended battery life, Super IPS display, removable storage it makes no sense to buy a TF700 over a N10.
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^^^^This^^^^^
It basically boils down to what features will end out being most important to you in your day to day use.
I too seroiusly considered ditching the TF700 for the N10 but when I weighed out the benifits of the N10 compared to what I would be sacrifing I just could not get myself to pull the trigger.
I can not count the amount of times I have had to turn on that super ips switch and slide it to Max. The benifit of the N10's higher resolution and faster processor would be moot in this situation if I cant veiw the display.
I myself am considering switching to a GNote 10.1 from my t700. Gaming and just the I/o in general seems more smooth on the note. Just sucks its such an expensive tablet for what you get.
I am worried about unlocking, because even with a square trade warranty once your manufacture warranty is void, so I'd your squaretrade. Also your square trade does not go into effect until the year on your regular warranty...so if your unlocked I guess you better hope you don't have an issue for the first year
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Nice read. OP wondering what you've decided with. I'm stuck too. Love the form factor of the t700 with keyboard but I feel its very outdated processor. N10 is a beast when it comes to gaming. Butter smooth.
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aznmode said:
Nice read. OP wondering what you've decided with. I'm stuck too. Love the form factor of the t700 with keyboard but I feel its very outdated processor. N10 is a beast when it comes to gaming. Butter smooth.
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I am on the fence as well and I am an android noob with a stock TF700 plus dock still returnable at BB.
I have seen you here and in the Nexus 10 forum and was wondering if you bought one. I mostly browse and watch movies, so not sure if the TF700 is going to be to much for a starter noob like me. BarryH has some great points.
I chose Android to try and get away for all the proprietary issues with the Apple brand... I feel the walls closing in on that idea!
I would at least like to root and have some say over MY tablet and deny some of these insane permissions that are being asked.
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I am on the fence as well and I am an android noob with a stock TF700 plus dock still returnable at BB.
I have seen you here and in the Nexus 10 forum and was wondering if you bought one. I mostly browse and watch movies, so not sure if the TF700 is going to be to much for a starter noob like me. BarryH has some great points.
I chose Android to try and get away for all the proprietary issues with the Apple brand... I feel the walls closing in on that idea!
I would at least like to root and have some say over MY tablet and deny some of these insane permissions that are being asked.
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I have both. I like the nexus 10 for gaming and it just works. Everything is smooth. Tf700 is not as smooth and do lag from time to time but the keyboard dock is its selling point IMO. For browsing and watching movies the tf700 is good.
Also to add I just unlocked and running cleanrom inheritance with clemsey kernel and it still lags here and there.
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I finally unlocked and with cleanrom inheritance along with clemsey kernel 1.8ghz with 650 gpu. IMO n10 is still smoother and faster. Not to say the tf700 didn't improve but I do still see frame rate drop often and games are smoother but not butter smooth like the n10. The n10 gpu is just a beast.
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