I think the tf700's tegra3 even if it's clocked at 1.6ghz is struggling with its FHD's resolution. The lag is so much noticeable when browsing and scrolling the screen. Do you think there is still a solution to this lagginess on the next update ? The tf300 is still having some performance issue even after the JB update so im kinda skeptical if it will make the device faster. I think Asus shouldn't have released this tablet with FHD until the tegra4 comes out, on paper the tegra is an awesome SOC with its quad core + 1 and 12 core GPU but numbers doesnt translate to a faster device. What do you guys think?
Think that its simply a software problem. All the hiccups you see happen across all android tabs running ICS. Once JB gets here AND is optimized, we will be fine. I stress the whole optimization part because it always takes time and more updates after something as big as JB to get all the kinks out.
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The lag is mostly from the io issues. I get smooth scrolling usually.
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As you may see in my signature that i owned both device so i love them both and i cant live without this 2 device but i was saddened when i saw this one post on the other forum see and judge for yourself.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=30979075&postcount=296
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So i did some further research why the nexus 7 is slightly faster than our tf700 then i came across this review about i/o nand flash . Although the nexus 7 is slightly faster than our infinity its is still rather slow. That comes to my conclusion that the i/o issues plaguing the asus tablets cannot be improved due to a slower components.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6073/the-google-nexus-7-review/6
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Good post
The thing "I" (or "me" if you will) notice is..............
Using a paid app store utility (rooted) I have forced all the Tegras cores "on" to max clock.
I'm thinking the GPU is now working harder to render because the CPU is really pumping.
Of course this just eats battery time, yet I don't care because I'm plugged in 99% of the time.
Lately the browsers I've been battling with in the past seem to have been not shutting me out.
Also when scrolling the screen I haven't seen any stuttering...been pretty happy about this.
Being constantly tethered to the AC brick is a bumout however.
Yeah, the random read/write on these SSD drives is terrible along with the write/read in benchmarks. The ram I don't think really matters as much, but Asus dropped the ball on the SSD. SSD problems can be hidden with an OS that manages the ram really well though (as long as you always have more ram avaialble than being used).
The wireless radio really does seem to be a huge power hog and have mediocre reception. I lose bars in places my ipad gets full reception.
Samsung really benefits from being a premier LCD, Solid-State-Chip, and now CPU manufacturer. The Exnyos is also an impressive CPU in terms of power/battery life (versus Tegra). Samsung is the only one with commercially avaialble 30 nm Ram chips (which are cheap and overclock better than any gaming ram on the market) and their 830 SSD drives are the very best out there.
I think the problem with Tegra is that battery life is rather overwhelming and I feel that they rushed to market in order to be the first quad-core CPU. The architecture seems to have problems with battery life. The Tegra 3 was amazing when the original Transformer PRime was released but with recent CPU's like the Qualcomm S4 Dragon beating it in battery life and Exnyos Quad-core doing the same, it has a tough job.
However, raw tablet power is a means not an end. I almost always use power-saving while not docked (and will underclock once jellybean comes out and there is a good rom for it). The main problem right now is really the awful I/O. Asus can make most of the problem disappear by utilizing the ram better to create the illusion of smoothness.
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I/O in our infinity is even worse than the prime....about 1/4 of the prime....this really disappointed me....
Hmm, I've been using the TF700 since it came out and I just don't see what the big deal is - it runs great for me! I keep seeing all of the specs compared, etc, but at the end of the day, I think that the TF700 runs pretty well. Most of the time during normal use, the device is not being stressed to the point where these "flaws" are apparent. Is it going to slow down while installing 10 apps - sure - but who cares? How often do you have 10 apps installing?
The games I've used run great and look *awesome*. Text is super clear - contrast is simply amazing, etc.
Now, QC is certainly an issue for Asus - I can't deny that one! I just hope I'm still so happy with the device 6 months or a year from now... But for now, I'd take a TF700 over a Samsung Note any day, even knowing of the "issues" with the TF700. The Note is simply not a a good fit for what I want, regardless of how well it's build inside (or out).
I could care less about the specs - as long as the device does what I want and does it well (which so far, the TF700 does). I can only imagine that the software will get better over time as well, making the experience even better.
But again, it all depends what you want/need in a device. I have *zero* use for a Spen for my usage habits.
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Hmm, I've been using the TF700 since it came out and I just don't see what the big deal is - it runs great for me! I keep seeing all of the specs compared, etc, but at the end of the day, I think that the TF700 runs pretty well. Most of the time during normal use, the device is not being stressed to the point where these "flaws" are apparent. Is it going to slow down while installing 10 apps - sure - but who cares? How often do you have 10 apps installing?
The games I've used run great and look *awesome*. Text is super clear - contrast is simply amazing, etc.
Now, QC is certainly an issue for Asus - I can't deny that one! I just hope I'm still so happy with the device 6 months or a year from now... But for now, I'd take a TF700 over a Samsung Note any day, even knowing of the "issues" with the TF700. The Note is simply not a a good fit for what I want, regardless of how well it's build inside (or out).
I could care less about the specs - as long as the device does what I want and does it well (which so far, the TF700 does). I can only imagine that the software will get better over time as well, making the experience even better.
But again, it all depends what you want/need in a device. I have *zero* use for a Spen for my usage habits.
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Lots of people complain about IO and other problems, things are slow to respond, etc.
It all comes down to knowing your device. Yes if its reading or writing it will be slow to do other things. If your doing mainly one thing at a time, or using optimized apps, its awesome!
Yes, stock browser sucks. use dolphin or boat. 90% of your problems solved right there. Kill / delete / remove stock bloat that kills your ram and CPU, there goes another chunk of the problem. Know your tablet, streamline what you can, dont wait for Asus to fix the problem, be proactive in making sure everything is running smooth.
So the i/o problem is simply because of the slow nand chip then why are some people saying that we just dont have a properly compiled firmware. So this is basically a dead end for our tablet as this is a hardware issue and cant be fixed by just slapping a JB . That explain why the tf300 is still slow after the update.
Running off of a class 10 microsd, using bsplayer, I can play back a ~10GB 1080p MKV without issue...
I think nobody really knows if hardware or software. Many are hoping it to be software so can be fixed. Certainly not ics or jb issue as other tabs with ics is as stable as ipad.
If true though one statement gives a little hope (hence i am still checking this forum) is someone claimed with custom rom zeus he got rl benchmark down to 20's, which is what galaxy note 10 runs and never seen anr message. So maybe really software.
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I think nobody really knows if hardware or software. Many are hoping it to be software so can be fixed. Certainly not ics or jb issue as other tabs with ics is as stable as ipad.
If true though one statement gives a little hope (hence i am still checking this forum) is someone claimed with custom rom zeus he got rl benchmark down to 20's, which is what galaxy note 10 runs and never seen anr message. So maybe really software.
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I sure hope so
My Infinity is lag free. I even downloaded 10 apps at once, as as a previous poster suggested it caused lag. I had ZERO lag! I am issue free here guys. So I am a verklempt, when I see some say they have problems with their units.
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I think nobody really knows if hardware or software. Many are hoping it to be software so can be fixed. Certainly not ics or jb issue as other tabs with ics is as stable as ipad.
If true though one statement gives a little hope (hence i am still checking this forum) is someone claimed with custom rom zeus he got rl benchmark down to 20's, which is what galaxy note 10 runs and never seen anr message. So maybe really software.
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I'm the one, on the Zeus v3 my RL benchmark was 22 overall and on the new Zeus v4 I got RL benchmarch down to 19 overall. Random writes is still slow but SQL lite is fantastic. So I do think software is the key to getting the tablet performance you were hoping for. We have just begun to scratch the surface with this beast.
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I'm the one, on the Zeus v3 my RL benchmark was 22 overall and on the new Zeus v4 I got RL benchmarch down to 19 overall. Random writes is still slow but SQL lite is fantastic. So I do think software is the key to getting the tablet performance you were hoping for. We have just begun to scratch the surface with this beast.
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Jetrosky also showed his result being 20 in balance mode. Asus should simply use Zeus as their next firmware or hire Zeus. But yes with thus I believe it's not hardware but software. Asus needs better programmer.
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Had my new TF for a couple weeks now. I'm frustrated that my 18 month old Samsung Captivate (Galaxy S) is better in many ways: Flash support, streaming movies, general speed, standby battery life, etc. I'll admit, my phone is rooted and running a custom ROM, but shouldn't the dual-core and additional memory on the TF make for a smoother experience? Is anyone else experiencing the same type of issues?
To be honest, if you think your phone is better than your TF, I think you'll find that you're most likely alone in that opinion. Maybe I'm wrong tho...
definitely in the minority... i have a fascinate (galaxy S) and a transformer (and an iPad 1 for that matter) and the transformer absolutely screams... even pumping out a much higher screen resolution.
the latest 3.1 update has only made things better.... and you say "flash support and streaming video" as if the transformer doesnt support either, when it supports both.... HD flash plays 10x smoother on the transformer than the galaxy S.
Sounds like your phone is better than any tablet currently available.
Personally, I prefer to stare at a 10.1" screen rather than the 4.3" screen on my Evo, though my Evo does several things better than my TF. And my TF does several things better than my Evo. They compliment one another, I wasn't expecting a replacement.
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Sounds like your phone is better than any tablet currently available.
Personally, I prefer to stare at a 10.1" screen rather than the 4.3" screen on my Evo, though my Evo does several things better than my TF. And my TF does several things better than my Evo. They compliment one another, I wasn't expecting a replacement.
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^This and the Transformer's biggest advantage over any phone would be tabbed browsing
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comparing a phone to a 10 inch tablet that has an ips screen with over 720p resolution. I mean you are kidding yourself of even comparing the two
nope.
the tf supports flash, can stream movies, generally speedy, and good battery life.
your phone's battery life is more likely due to your custom undervolted kernel, non-dual core cpu, and not powering a 10.1 inch screen.
I don't need a signature.
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To be honest, if you think your phone is better than your TF, I think you'll find that you're most likely alone in that opinion. Maybe I'm wrong tho...
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You aren't wrong. Also I think the Samsung Galaxy series sucks. I took my Epic back within a week. Touchwiz FTL.
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You aren't wrong. Also I think the Samsung Galaxy series sucks. I took my Epic back within a week. Touchwiz FTL.
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You know that there are other alternatives to touchwiz, lol. I replaced mine with launcherpro. Was infinitely better. Galaxy S series is a good set of phones. But I'll have to agree with everyone else in the thread and disagree with the OP. Samsung Captivate is NOT better than the TF...by any means. But as mentioned before, the tablet is to compliment my phone, not replace it.
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You know that there are other alternatives to touchwiz, lol. I replaced mine with launcherpro. Was infinitely better. Galaxy S series is a good set of phones. But I'll have to agree with everyone else in the thread and disagree with the OP. Samsung Captivate is NOT better than the TF...by any means. But as mentioned before, the tablet is to compliment my phone, not replace it.
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yea, i like my galaxy S, and i've never even touched touchwiz.
i went from droid 1 to incredible (amoled) to the DX to the samsung... the samsung is my favorite by far..... of course i'm also an audiophile and i love the wolfson audio chipset, and the galaxy has the better camera of the 4.
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You know that there are other alternatives to touchwiz, lol. I replaced mine with launcherpro. Was infinitely better. Galaxy S series is a good set of phones. But I'll have to agree with everyone else in the thread and disagree with the OP. Samsung Captivate is NOT better than the TF...by any means. But as mentioned before, the tablet is to compliment my phone, not replace it.
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Running darky on my galaxy i9000m, perfect (for a phone...) but the transformer wins hand down, just received the dock and it looks GREAT (still waiting for it to be fully charged ) well, gonna start taking notes on it starting tomorrow...
Did i say the transformer wins hand down over my phone?
I've got a galaxy S myself and since getting my tablet i find that my phone is constantly pissing me off and i keep thinking why can't my phone be more like my tablet.
We all know Asus' solution to this predicament...PadPhone
Back on topic, I'm not sure what you mean when you say your captivate is better in the flash department? My TF runs flash just as well as my Evo (as they are using the same 10.3 build hacked for hulu) My battery life on Primordial 3.1 is just as good as my tablet in terms of life, as a matter of fact because I use the TF now i suppose you can say that the Evo has been getting better battery life as it hasn't really been in use at all.
In terms of smoothness, running Primodial 3.1 vs CM7 nightlies + Tiamat, the tablet slows down occasionally where i would stutter on the evo. I have a feeling this is due to the apps themselves not being optimized to utilize two cores, its the same deal with computers where even if you have a 8-core cpu it won't matter if the software can't take advantage of it. On the homescreens, running the same widgets an both on launcherpro, the transformer consistenty stays smooth while the evo would occasionally slow down.
Compared to my friends' Epics, the transformer is just as smooth, which leads to my confusion as to why it would seem your phone is better than your tablet, nevermind that one isn't meant to replace the other.
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I think I get what he is saying. To me Android 2.3 is more mature, feels more stable, optimized and faster. While Android 3.0 is basically new, rushed, less stable, far from optimized, and just doesn't feel as responsive.
I don't really blame Google for rushing Honeycomb out the door. They needed something more tailored for a tablet and Apple was just owning the entire tablet market for an entire year.
And while Android 3 still feels pretty rough, I certainly welcome it's new features and tablet friendly feel over Android 2.3, so I'm okay sacrificing a bit of stability and speed. And Android 3.x will also get better over time too.
Also think the big 1280x800 screen probably slows some aspects of it down too, versus the 800x480 screen on the Galaxy S phone.
Hopefully the Transformer gets Android Ice Cream Sandwich later this year. I think that'll be a big improvement over Honeycomb. As now Google doesn't really have to rush that out the door as urgently and can make sure it's done right.
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I think I get what he is saying. To me Android 2.3 is more mature, feels more stable, optimized and faster. While Android 3.0 is basically new, rushed, less stable, far from optimized, and just doesn't feel as responsive.
I don't really blame Google for rushing Honeycomb out the door. They needed something more tailored for a tablet and Apple was just owning the entire tablet market for an entire year.
And while Android 3 still feels pretty rough, I certainly welcome it's new features and tablet friendly feel over Android 2.3, so I'm okay sacrificing a bit of stability and speed. And Android 3.x will also get better over time too.
Also think the big 1280x800 screen probably slows some aspects of it down too, versus the 800x480 screen on the Galaxy S phone.
Hopefully the Transformer gets Android Ice Cream Sandwich later this year. I think that'll be a big improvement over Honeycomb. As now Google doesn't really have to rush that out the door as urgently and can make sure it's done right.
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I've always kind of assumed they kept Honeycomb closed source because it's a bit of a hack job and they didn't want anyone to see how messy their apartment is.
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Definitely not saying the phone is better overall. I love the TF for the keyboard dock, large screen and battery life, I am just disappointed that flash websites seem slow and that the TF loses so much battery in standby. For example, the phone loss the XDA site (desktop version) twice as fast as the TF. Just seems strange.
It seems like everyone else is having no slowdown problems like I am experiencing on flash sites. Hopefully the upgrade to 3.1 will improve things. Thanks you for your insightful reply.
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I think I get what he is saying. To me Android 2.3 is more mature, feels more stable, optimized and faster. While Android 3.0 is basically new, rushed, less stable, far from optimized, and just doesn't feel as responsive.
I don't really blame Google for rushing Honeycomb out the door. They needed something more tailored for a tablet and Apple was just owning the entire tablet market for an entire year.
And while Android 3 still feels pretty rough, I certainly welcome it's new features and tablet friendly feel over Android 2.3, so I'm okay sacrificing a bit of stability and speed. And Android 3.x will also get better over time too.
Also think the big 1280x800 screen probably slows some aspects of it down too, versus the 800x480 screen on the Galaxy S phone.
Hopefully the Transformer gets Android Ice Cream Sandwich later this year. I think that'll be a big improvement over Honeycomb. As now Google doesn't really have to rush that out the door as urgently and can make sure it's done right.
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Thank you, that is basically what I was saying. Still love my TF though.
My Galaxy S (custom rom) runs great compared to my rooted tf101. Right now almost every benchmark I run, the samsung galaxy out performs. To give you an idea, quadrant on my vibrant is running over 2300 as compared to 1500 on tf101. Frame rates are also better. (btw, I know about quadrants flaws...so save it) Linpack results are better on the tab..but not by much. As mentioned before, it is probably because the os and rom have been tweaked with every known hack. As this tablet matures and developers have the time to optimize the performance I bet this thing will fly. It is just very rough out the door but I am real happy with my transformer. I guess I know what the potential it has going for it. for those looking for a nice refined tablet, the ipad2 is very sweet. I'm not really an Apple fan, but it is a great product. Now only if the jailbreak will come out for the ipad2!
(BTW, I am looking forward to getting a galaxy s ll dual core shortly!!)
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My Galaxy S (custom rom) runs great compared to my rooted tf101. Right now almost every benchmark I run, the samsung galaxy out performs. To give you an idea, quadrant on my vibrant is running over 2300 as compared to 1500 on tf101. Frame rates are also better. (btw, I know about quadrants flaws...so save it) Linpack results are better on the tab..but not by much. As mentioned before, it is probably because the os and rom have been tweaked with every known hack. As this tablet matures and developers have the time to optimize the performance I bet this thing will fly. It is just very rough out the door but I am real happy with my transformer. I guess I know what the potential it has going for it. for those looking for a nice refined tablet, the ipad2 is very sweet. I'm not really an Apple fan, but it is a great product. Now only if the jailbreak will come out for the ipad2!
(BTW, I am looking forward to getting a galaxy s ll dual core shortly!!)
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You're comparing apples to oranges with a tool that's not great at comparing apples or oranges in the first place. Quadrant/Linpack aren't a valid measurement between two different devices. The best they can be used for is comparing your own device against itself after changing things / tinkering.
Either way, I am more than happy with the performance of my TF and I am totally unrooted and unmodified. There's really very little I even use my phone for any more, besides as a phone.. Flash runs well, my battery live is actually surprisingly great. To be honest, when I first read the initial post I thought it was a joke.
I was pretty excited to upgrade from my xoom to this amazing tablet. Specs up the wazzoo...
But I am very disappointed. I lag is really bad. I if I am doing something like downloading and app other things basically freeze up. Using the browser is laggy while downloading. Battery life is also pretty poor compared to the xoom. I use my tablet at work.. My xoom easily lasts all day and even into the next day. The infinity however was giving me a low battery warning at the end of the day.
Yes the screen is nice and the tablet is thinner and lighter. It has a dock which is all great but doesn't mean anything if it stutters and lags giving me constant app not responding errors. I would have thought it had a hardware problem except forums everywhere are talking about poor job performance. Let me be clear it isn't poor it is aweful!
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I was pretty excited to upgrade from my xoom to this amazing tablet. Specs up the wazzoo...
But I am very disappointed. I lag is really bad. I if I am doing something like downloading and app other things basically freeze up. Using the browser is laggy while downloading. Battery life is also pretty poor compared to the xoom. I use my tablet at work.. My xoom easily lasts all day and even into the next day. The infinity however was giving me a low battery warning at the end of the day.
Yes the screen is nice and the tablet is thinner and lighter. It has a dock which is all great but doesn't mean anything if it stutters and lags giving me constant app not responding errors. I would have thought it had a hardware problem except forums everywhere are talking about poor job performance. Let me be clear it isn't poor it is aweful!
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It seems, as if I were the only one with a tablet that performs well! I am happy with my Informer in respect of hardware quality and useability. I would buy it again anytime!
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It seems, as if I were the only one with a tablet that performs well! I am happy with my Informer in respect of hardware quality and useability. I would buy it again anytime!
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That's good to hear... Hopefully after some firmware updates we will all be able to say the same.
I haven't had any problems with mine. Seems to operate pretty snappy. I've installed the Chrome browser and never even used the stock browser.
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It seems, as if I were the only one with a tablet that performs well! I am happy with my Informer in respect of hardware quality and useability. I would buy it again anytime!
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You're not alone. Yes, the 700 has its quirks and minor defects, but I love it so far. Provides gerat functionality and is snappy enough. Just want the I/O to be fixed and I'll be completely happy.
@OP: Battery life for my device is pretty god, as the battery easily gets me through 1,5 days of work, so I guess you'll have to let it settle in for a bit. You might be judging it too quickly.
I had some of the same feelings the first day while I tried to use it as it downloaded and installed over 150 apps. But by the second day I was really seeing great performance. I did get a system reboot after a hang in Facebook tho.
Battery life was pretty impressive. Over 13 hours with 3 hours screen on time and still 30% left. That's without the additional dock battery. And that was on performance mode and max brightness non-super ips+ almost the whole time.
Have not got mine yet, still deciding...
But it seems the OP was experiencing the I/O issue. But how often will you be downloading/transfering any files/apps on this.
Once that is done, from what I read the experience is great.
Also, I have read to try a different browser as well. Either Chrome or Dolphin. Try those and report back.
Have had mine for a day and a half. It really stutters and is quite herkee-jerkee with some apps (Adobe Reader, for one) and on website browsing. It frequently takes a second or three for the page to become focused. Never experienced this with the iPad. Quite a let down.
Wow - I can't believe what I'm reading! Personally, coming from a TF101, I think the Infinity is absolutely awesome! Personally, I have a feeling that the 1-3 second pauses are more of an Android thing than a hardware issues. I'm wondering if the hardware is starting to surpass Android in terms of performance...
But I haven't really experienced these major slow downs. Sure, it'll get a little slow while downloading/installating apps, but isn't that kinda to be expected?
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Wow - I can't believe what I'm reading! Personally, coming from a TF101, I think the Infinity is absolutely awesome! Personally, I have a feeling that the 1-3 second pauses are more of an Android thing than a hardware issues. I'm wondering if the hardware is starting to surpass Android in terms of performance...
But I haven't really experienced these major slow downs. Sure, it'll get a little slow while downloading/installating apps, but isn't that kinda to be expected?
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Agreed. Got mine yesterday - no I/O issues to speak of. Love the build quality, the screen - everything is ultra smooth. Fantastic kit and it blows the Ipad out of the water.
Installing apps in the fresh won't happen all that often, but since it hangs also when updating apps, you'll stll encounter it frequently.
Also, Dolphin is a privacy black hole -- in the past, they were caught red-handed when stealing all possible kinds of users' info without their consent. I'd stay away from it and use Opera or Boat instead (if needed at all, because the stock browser actually is suprisingly quick about its stuff).
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Wow - I can't believe what I'm reading! Personally, coming from a TF101, I think the Infinity is absolutely awesome! Personally, I have a feeling that the 1-3 second pauses are more of an Android thing than a hardware issues. .
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It doesn't happen on my ICS Android phone, so I have to differ with this hypothesis.
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Installing apps in the fresh won't happen all that often, but since it hangs also when updating apps, you'll stll encounter it frequently.
Also, Dolphin is a privacy black hole -- in the past, they were caught red-handed when stealing all possible kinds of users' info without their consent. I'd stay away from it and use Opera or Boat instead (if needed at all, because the stock browser actually is suprisingly quick about its stuff).
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It's good you're pointing the finger towards these issues, I've done some pretty bad advertising of Dolphin before I read more about it. Nevertheless, I'd still add Chrome to the list.
i came from a xoom as well and i feel the opposite. yes there was lag while downloading my apps, but once it was completed, i havent had any lag issues. the ability of having a fully functioning memory card is also a step up from the xoom. the xoom had its issues as well. i will till keep my xoom around because it will probably get JB first. But i doubt i will ever use it as my main device.
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Installing apps in the fresh won't happen all that often, but since it hangs also when updating apps, you'll stll encounter it frequently.
Also, Dolphin is a privacy black hole -- in the past, they were caught red-handed when stealing all possible kinds of users' info without their consent. I'd stay away from it and use Opera or Boat instead (if needed at all, because the stock browser actually is suprisingly quick about its stuff).
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It doesn't happen on my ICS Android phone, so I have to differ with this hypothesis.
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I've touched upon these issues before, but to rehash: I think the current version(s) of Android is/are ill-equipped for the incredibly powerful hardware we now get onto the market. I've given the example before that Unix systems scale beautifully on low-spec hardware and that they outperform any other OS in that scenario, but that they won't show that much improvement if you up the specs to the level we're now using in both our desktops and on the go, whereas in that case the other OSes gain much performance.
It will improve (and quite possibly vastly), but FullHD is a bit too much to bite off and chew for Android at the moment.
Dutch's phone runs beautifully on ICS (as does mine) because the hardware is more in line with what the developers were expecting to have to drive.
Wait and see.
It's quite pecuilar that iOS is actually based on the BSD systems (UNIX) and how far it got from there, not always in a good way. Let's hope Android, being based on Linux, will copy the best, not the worst paths here.
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I was pretty excited to upgrade from my xoom to this amazing tablet. Specs up the wazzoo...
But I am very disappointed. I lag is really bad. I if I am doing something like downloading and app other things basically freeze up. Using the browser is laggy while downloading. Battery life is also pretty poor compared to the xoom. I use my tablet at work.. My xoom easily lasts all day and even into the next day. The infinity however was giving me a low battery warning at the end of the day.
Yes the screen is nice and the tablet is thinner and lighter. It has a dock which is all great but doesn't mean anything if it stutters and lags giving me constant app not responding errors. I would have thought it had a hardware problem except forums everywhere are talking about poor job performance. Let me be clear it isn't poor it is aweful!
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I upgraded from a Xoom and absolutely love it! Really smooth, great battery life, and the screen is gorgeous.
My wife ow has the Xoom, so were both happy!
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I've touched upon these issues before, but to rehash: I think the current version(s) of Android is/are ill-equipped for the incredibly powerful hardware we now get onto the market. I've given the example before that Unix systems scale beautifully on low-spec hardware and that they outperform any other OS in that scenario, but that they won't show that much improvement if you up the specs to the level we're now using in both our desktops and on the go, whereas in that case the other OSes gain much performance.
It will improve (and quite possibly vastly), but FullHD is a bit too much to bite off and chew for Android at the moment.
Dutch's phone runs beautifully on ICS (as does mine) because the hardware is more in line with what the developers were expecting to have to drive.
Wait and see.
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I upgraded from a Xoom and absolutely love it! Really smooth, great battery life, and the screen is gorgeous.
My wife ow has the Xoom, so were both happy!
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Hopefully Google giving the UI priority in jellly bean will help with that.
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I'm all for android, never tried apple product before, but lately wanted too see what iPad would be like in real life.
After paying $500-600 for a tablet and return period ends, I don't want to be the one left hoping that maybe Jelly Bean will make it better. Except for screen, iPad's hardware is much less powerful then Infinity's but it runs smooth.
I really believe it's a software fault, 1 android system is made for all, which brings all the bugs.
When an apply is made for iPad it's tested on the same iPad it will be used on. As simple as that!
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Have not got mine yet, still deciding...
But it seems the OP was experiencing the I/O issue. But how often will you be downloading/transfering any files/apps on this.
Once that is done, from what I read the experience is great.
Also, I have read to try a different browser as well. Either Chrome or Dolphin. Try those and report back.
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It isn't only the download and install of apps although that is worst. After using the xoom it is honestly just not as smooth. Yes some things are smooth and good. Like playing a game or swipping screens but things are definitely not right with this device. And it has hang issues from time to time just out of the blue. Course I have a lot of stuff going on. I have gmail, person mail, exchange mail, I have rss feeds, I have news apps. So I have quite few apps that will pull data from time to time.
But nothing I didn't exactly have setup the same on the xoom. Considering the xoom of a year old I'd REALLY expect this device to be at least as good.
Ive never owned a tab before of any kind, so this Infinity will be my first. I dunno how it's gonna be for me, but I hope I don't have as bad of I/O errors some seem to have.
Greetings,
I had a TF201 during the early weeks of January and was completely turned off by the various issues that were plaguing this device: GPS, WIFI, BT, I/O, etc. I was also extremely uncomfortable by the seemingly lack of supply of the TF201 (Even 6+ months after release it was incredibly difficult to find!) Anyways, I was determined to wait until the TF700. Reports were stating that GPS, WIFI, and BT issues were effectively resolved (thanks to improved antenna design. But I'm still curious as to the current state of the I/O issues. I know that an update dropped just yesterday that seems to greatly improve I/O. But is this I/O issue caused by software or hardware? What is the general consensus on the matter? Thanks
Might be too early to tell, but so far many of us have seen a significant improvement in overall performance, which means no more hiccups while multitasking. Of course you will get some lags while running apps while moving data in the background, but at least now you're able to use the device when doing so. JB will probably make things even better, but I really can't complain at the moment. Highly recommended, in my opinion it's just a great device, even if they used eMMC by Hynix instead of Kingston for the 64GB version.
And ASUS Support seems to have taken a considerable speedup lately, just like our devices.
As many have noticed since updating to .26, I/O performance has increased considerably. I have been pleasantly surprised., and at the same time, I'm a bit puzzled why the same effort has not been undertaken earlier for the TF201 -- although some hiccups remain, I haven't had a clear hang since, so they nailed it the first time to a very good extent. You cannot change the hardware, at least not easily, so we'll have to be content with not having real SSD performance (which, of course, is an utter shame for this flagship device). It's very good now, though, and the TF700 shows quite a bit more of its powerful breed now.
I am curious to hear a comparison of the current updated io performance of the 700 compared to the io performance of a rooted and tweaked 201... anyone have any input? The potential improvements on the 700 (let alone possibility of roms now that we have unlocked bootloader) is tempting me to upgrade from the 201 to the 700.
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I am curious to hear a comparison of the current updated io performance of the 700 compared to the io performance of a rooted and tweaked 201... anyone have any input? The potential improvements on the 700 (let alone possibility of roms now that we have unlocked bootloader) is tempting me to upgrade from the 201 to the 700.
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I do not believe there are hard data -- only user's feel, or impressions, if you like. It is considerably smoother now, though, and as I said elsewhere, the speed with which they have brought us an update that actually matters for a change makes me wonder a bit why they didn;t give the Prime the same treatment. The sales seemed to deserve that, and the issues were multiple (maybe the latter reason is the one why you guys were more or less 'beta-testing' for the TF700 as one of your fellow TF201 owner's said ? )
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I do not believe there are hard data -- only user's feel, or impressions, if you like. It is considerably smoother now, though, and as I said elsewhere, the speed with which they have brought us an update that actually matters for a change makes me wonder a bit why they didn;t give the Prime the same treatment. The sales seemed to deserve that, and the issues were multiple (maybe the latter reason is the one why you guys were more or less 'beta-testing' for the TF700 as one of your fellow TF201 owner's said ? )
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Thanks for the reply, will probably get the 700 at some point with hopes for custom roms!
I've definitely enjoyed using the Prime (only have io issues with large capacity flash drives, 64gb, and some flickering in horizontal orientation), but the apparent wifi improvements and better resolution (I use the tablet as a laptop replacement but also on stage as a musician) would be great!
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I am seriously considering the upgrade from the Prime to the Infinity. Its going to cost me $125-150, but already have the dock so that will make things less painful.
Is the screen, slightly faster processor, and overall experience worth the jump?
Thanks for the feedback.
I've found my Infinity to be much more stable. My Prime was incredibly unstable and had very bad screen corruption and flickering on the later firmware, downgrading the firmware fixed that issue on the Prime though. The screen on the Infinity is very nice, but you probably won't notice the increased resolution except with text where it makes a very (to me) noticeable difference. The latest firmware update has seems to make multi-tasking smoother and given it a general sensation of being faster. I have a Nexus 7 and Jelly Bean makes everything very liquid smooth feeling so I have every expectation of Jelly Bean giving that same feel to the Infinity. The less tapered edge on the Infinity is actually very nice. It's more comfortable to hold and the micro sd card is completely inside the frame.
All said and done I think the Infinity is everything the Prime should have been. If you can upgrade for <$150 difference then go for it.
I did the upgrade so that I can compare my Ipad3 to the TF700T as well as wanting a functioning GPS radio. Speed has improved, stability has improved, screen has improved. All of my current applications work well. I have an issue of upgrading from a OTA but others do not so its my specific issue. I have been able to upgrade utilizing the file Asus posts on their service site for each update. As to my Ipad vs. TF700T the screens are for all practical purposes identical. Speed of all functions other than web browsing are identical (I have several applications that are the same function but for IOS or Android). Web browsing is not a tie my Ipad3 is more fluid than the TF700T. I expect that will even out with the release of Jelly Bean for the TF700T. I am waiting until that upgrade to see but if equal after Jelly Beans release then most likely my Ipad3 will be sent to Ebay to get some extra cash for the next Asus tablet release in 2013!
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I've found my Infinity to be much more stable. My Prime was incredibly unstable and had very bad screen corruption and flickering on the later firmware, downgrading the firmware fixed that issue on the Prime though. The screen on the Infinity is very nice, but you probably won't notice the increased resolution except with text where it makes a very (to me) noticeable difference. The latest firmware update has seems to make multi-tasking smoother and given it a general sensation of being faster. I have a Nexus 7 and Jelly Bean makes everything very liquid smooth feeling so I have every expectation of Jelly Bean giving that same feel to the Infinity. The less tapered edge on the Infinity is actually very nice. It's more comfortable to hold and the micro sd card is completely inside the frame.
All said and done I think the Infinity is everything the Prime should have been. If you can upgrade for <$150 difference then go for it.
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Thanks for the feedback. My prime has been rock solid, other than the app stutter / bluetooth issues that most have experienced. I normally upgrade every 18-24 months. Trying to justify the 7 month upgrade here. Thanks.
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I did the upgrade so that I can compare my Ipad3 to the TF700T as well as wanting a functioning GPS radio. Speed has improved, stability has improved, screen has improved. All of my current applications work well. I have an issue of upgrading from a OTA but others do not so its my specific issue. I have been able to upgrade utilizing the file Asus posts on their service site for each update. As to my Ipad vs. TF700T the screens are for all practical purposes identical. Speed of all functions other than web browsing are identical (I have several applications that are the same function but for IOS or Android). Web browsing is not a tie my Ipad3 is more fluid than the TF700T. I expect that will even out with the release of Jelly Bean for the TF700T. I am waiting until that upgrade to see but if equal after Jelly Beans release then most likely my Ipad3 will be sent to Ebay to get some extra cash for the next Asus tablet release in 2013!
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Glad to here the positive experience when compared to the ipad.
I too upgraded for EUR 105,- and it's worth every cent!
The screen is to much better and sharper. Reading forums in portrait mode is no problem now. On the prime it often got to crappy to read and I had to zoom in.
Furthermore it feels faster and it's definitely more stable.Finally no more Wifi issues and SD card won't eject anymore.
Also HDMI port is better designed.
Just upgrade
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I am seriously considering the upgrade from the Prime to the Infinity. Its going to cost me $125-150, but already have the dock so that will make things less painful.
Is the screen, slightly faster processor, and overall experience worth the jump?
Thanks for the feedback.
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I upgraded and received my Infinity yesterday. Overall, it is a much nicer tablet. I really think this is what the prime should have been when it launched. I have much better wifi and GPS reception, and the screen is much nicer to look at. Another thing that most people aren't mentioning is that the SD card actually fits in the tablet now!
That being said, I'm still having problems (even after the .26 update) running ShadowGun. The game works fine it I've just rebooted the tablet, but after several applications have been launched, I can't get past the first shot or two before the game freezes. You can still hear the game playing in the background, but the screen bounces back and forth between 2 frames. Maybe someone has a fix?
Anyway, yes, I am happy coming from the Prime.
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I upgraded and received my Infinity yesterday. Overall, it is a much nicer tablet. I really think this is what the prime should have been when it launched. I have much better wifi and GPS reception, and the screen is much nicer to look at. Another thing that most people aren't mentioning is that the SD card actually fits in the tablet now!
That being said, I'm still having problems (even after the .26 update) running ShadowGun. The game works fine it I've just rebooted the tablet, but after several applications have been launched, I can't get past the first shot or two before the game freezes. You can still hear the game playing in the background, but the screen bounces back and forth between 2 frames. Maybe someone has a fix?
Anyway, yes, I am happy coming from the Prime.
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I never owned a Prime (cancelled pre-order) so can't compare the two but from all the negative reports from the users, I can definitely say that the 700 is the most worthy successor to the 101. This is my gaming tablet and with just a few exceptions will be loaded with nothing but Tegra 3 games and full HD apps. The speed and resolution of the 700 is just right for 1080p movies, it plays the streamed .mkv files like it was coming from the sdcard! So smooth and lag free.
No way the Prime's 1280x800 can match the 700's display, no contest there but of course there will be an additional power drain to contend with so power regulation is a must.
Glad I switched
I exchanged and updated my 201 for 700 this week. Other than having an issue doing and OTA update (which is a serial number issue again with ASUS! I was able to update manually with no problem) I am very happy I did so. In the last 48 hours I have not had any issues, which I always did with prime. I use mine for work and play although I do not really play intense games on the device. WIFI is tons better and GPS is rock solid. I did compare my screen with my daughters ipad 3 and even she was impressed with the quality. She is an apple fanatic but even she sees where being locked down in the apple OS world has its limitations as compared to android. Glad she learned something in college!
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I exchanged and updated my 201 for 700 this week. Other than having an issue doing and OTA update (which is a serial number issue again with ASUS! I was able to update manually with no problem) I am very happy I did so. In the last 48 hours I have not had any issues, which I always did with prime. I use mine for work and play although I do not really play intense games on the device. WIFI is tons better and GPS is rock solid. I did compare my screen with my daughters ipad 3 and even she was impressed with the quality. She is an apple fanatic but even she sees where being locked down in the apple OS world has its limitations as compared to android. Glad she learned something in college!
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good deal. first time i wish i bought something from BB...could have upgraded for free. thanks for the feedback.
well thanks, thats all the convincing i needed. ordered an infinity about 20 mins ago.
Thanks all!! I look forward to joining the group!!
PS-anyone need a very lightly used prime? HA!
I finally pulled the trigger and sold my Prime for the Infinity on Craigslist today. Went to Best Buy hoping to find tf700 with no luck. Fortunately for me the employee I was speaking to was very friendly and found one available at one of the other bb locations 23 miles away! Though a display model I still wanted it. I purchased it ahead of time and drove 23 miles to pick it up. When I got there. They took it off the display and showed me the scratch marks on the back plate and the slab of adhesive they used to keep the tablet connected that they couldn't peel away. Then I noticed that the label says tf201!!!! Mother [email protected]#ker!! The employee that said that they had one available mistakenly thought that that was the tf700 because it was so similar!!! The employee explained it to me and apologized. I said I drove for 45 mins to get here and was assured that you guys had the tf700!!! I was very upset. The guy was scared and looked around... finally he found one in the store!!! It was reserved for someone else that paid online. I ended up with a new tf700 and not a display model!!! Lol Apparently the person that ordered online had cancelled his order after checking the system and I was very fortunate to come out of BB with a brand new tf700!! So far loving the new toy.
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Once my Infinity arrives, giving my Prime to a close family member, rooted with Androwook and chock full of my paid apps.
Thanks for the thread, sounds like it'll be a redeeming (mostly?) upgrade! Now for those roms...
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I exchanged my C1 Prime at Best Buy which GPS was dead when I bought it and ended up with a C7 Infinity. Wifi/BT/GPS were great, however vibration, haptic feedback was dead out of the box. Attempted trying to toggle the settings but still nothing on power up/down, etc. It also couldn't find the OTA when I tried to update and I had to install .26 from my microsd which I take it is this issue here.
Took it back yesterday. Pretty bummed since my major issue with 201 was wifi/BT problems using my headset and music/netflix but it seemed good on the 700. Overall it seemed better than the Prime but that's not saying much .. Asus still has some pretty bad QC in my opinion
I've had my Infinity for a week now since I got my prime refunded. To echo a previous comment in this thread, this is what the prime should have been and what I expected it to be. Everything just works and the screen is absolutely beautiful. My prime never got a GPS lock, and running Bluetooth to my Thunderbolt for Tablet Talk would make my internet slow so an unusable crawl on the Prime. Here on the infinity I can stream music while browsing the web or XDA and texting. Used it successfully a few times for navigation while tethered; got a GPS lock nearly as fast as my phone locks. Plus it fits more snugly in my 201 dock than my Prime did. My only gripe is that the battery has not been quite as epic as my Prime, but it has been more than sufficient for daily use.
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well thanks, thats all the convincing i needed. ordered an infinity about 20 mins ago.
Thanks all!! I look forward to joining the group!!
PS-anyone need a very lightly used prime? HA!
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I'm sure you're already aware, but if not...that if you purchased your Prime tablet from Best Buy you can actually exchange it for an Infinity by way of One year manufacturer warranty.
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I finally pulled the trigger and sold my Prime for the Infinity on Craigslist today. Went to Best Buy hoping to find tf700 with no luck. Fortunately for me the employee I was speaking to was very friendly and found one available at one of the other bb locations 23 miles away! Though a display model I still wanted it. I purchased it ahead of time and drove 23 miles to pick it up. When I got there. They took it off the display and showed me the scratch marks on the back plate and the slab of adhesive they used to keep the tablet connected that they couldn't peel away. Then I noticed that the label says tf201!!!! Mother [email protected]#ker!! The employee that said that they had one available mistakenly thought that that was the tf700 because it was so similar!!! The employee explained it to me and apologized. I said I drove for 45 mins to get here and was assured that you guys had the tf700!!! I was very upset. The guy was scared and looked around... finally he found one in the store!!! It was reserved for someone else that paid online. I ended up with a new tf700 and not a display model!!! Lol Apparently the person that ordered online had cancelled his order after checking the system and I was very fortunate to come out of BB with a brand new tf700!! So far loving the new toy.
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How is internet browsing faster? Thats my problem with the prime sluggish.
LOVE IT
This is what I was expecting when I bought Prime. GPS and Wi-Fi work great. Screen crisp and clear. Camera takes really good pics. Had 2 primes, both had terrible picture quality. Gone into settings a few times and did update check, won't show one. No biggie, I'll d-load and push. Rooted fine.
Only complaint is, battery doesn't last as long as primes did.
Overall, very pleased. Especially since I had best buy damage warranty and they gave me Infinity free.
This is what the prime should have been! WFI,GPS, works. Had it for 24hrs, so far so good
I never really had problems with my prime (except bad GPS and pixels), but I exchanged it anyways for an infinity. I have to say the infinity is really what the prime should have been, the screen resolution is amazing, it's fast, GPS works and I even notice better wifi connections. I had to root the prime and tweak the hell out of it to get it to perform anywhere near what the infinity does right out of the box. Oh and its the first asus tablet I've had the does not have dead pixels.
As title says, which one would you prefer. I'm on 4.1.1 so I won't be able to flash nvflash with my asus infinity. How big is the risk for me to unlock then install cleanrom?
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As title says, which one would you prefer. I'm on 4.1.1 so I won't be able to flash nvflash with my asus infinity. How big is the risk for me to unlock then install cleanrom?
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If you do it right, no risk really, (maybe .1%, but this come with anything). I have been testing like uninstall/reinstall/reformat/switching internal memory to sdcard/downgrade/upgrade/incremental upgrade/flashing kernels about at least 20 times and mine is running top notch.
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If you do it right, no risk really, (maybe .1%, but this come with anything). I have been testing like uninstall/reinstall/reformat/switching internal memory to sdcard/downgrade/upgrade/incremental upgrade/flashing kernels about at least 20 times and mine is running top notch.
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and you don't have nvflash? I'm just debating whether or not to unlock it, because once I do I can't really sell it to get the nexus 10. I feel like the nexus 10 will have more dev support over the years...however I will stick with the tf700 if it performs better than the n10 with cleanmod and with an overclock
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How big is the risk for me to unlock then install cleanrom?
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I agree it's low or no risk...
Although don't do it just because.
If you really are trying to talk yourself into a Nexus then it might be better to leave the TFI as is.
Are you happy overall with the TF700T?
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I agree it's low or no risk...
Although don't do it just because.
If you really are trying to talk yourself into a Nexus then it might be better to leave the TFI as is.
Are you happy overall with the TF700T?
Coming from the ground up
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it's not as smooth as I had hoped it to be but I heard cleanmod fixes this.
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it's not as smooth as I had hoped it to be but I heard cleanmod fixes this.
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Yes, CleanRom and Clemsyn and data2sd really make this thing worth more than $500. I'm very happy with it. When I first purchased the device, my wife and kids refused to use it due to performance and broswer, now they're fighting to grab it.
I am personally running clean and oc and it is awesome, but hard to compare to something that no one has in their hands. If you are unsure just wait. check out the 10 then go from there. my decision to unlock was based on the external sd and dock. Nexus will have options too , but I decided to hang on to my 700 and getting my kids nexus 7's for xmas so I will have some nexus fun too...
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it's not as smooth as I had hoped it to be but I heard cleanmod fixes this.
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Yep,
I have to say with CleanROM and the newest Clemsyn's I no longer consider my TFI a clunker...
The biggest risk is that any future hardware failure will be very expensive for you (if you want a working TF700 back).
I'm on paranoid Android with Clemsyn's CM10 based kernel. No data to sd and I love it! Super fast. My tablet feels rock solid. I don't understand why some complain about build quality. I love the slim sexy look. Can't wait to get my micro sd to try data to sd. Hearing how awesome it is will make this thing crazy good. I wouldn't own a tablet or phone I couldn't hack on. I love development and it's quickly turned into my favorite hobby the past couple years
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i dont like mine at all and want a nexus 10. i shoudlnt have to unlock void this and the other i just want something that works. i do a lot of flashing on my htx one x to get it where it "should be" while all my friends just buy their ipad 4 and have zero things to do on them, just use them as intented. i stick to android because i need it to do a load more than iOS can give me but damn sometimes i wish google would just make a stable version. oh wait. its called a nexus 10. lol and theres no luck in selling these things. who knows about a transformer infinity ? resale value is low >_>
This is Engadget's verdict about the Nexus 10:
"At under $400, the Nexus 10 is a compelling package, but despite that display it can't quite muster best-in-class performances across the charts. In fact, other than a relative lack of resolution (1,920 x 1,200 vs. this guy's 2,560 x 1,600) the Transformer Pad Infinity TF700 is, we think, an overall better package. It's thinner, lighter, faster, has a much better camera, offers better battery life (particularly if you opt for the keyboard dock) and, frankly, we'd take the brightness and contrast of that 600 nit, Super IPS+ panel over this one with its extra pixels.
What does ASUS's offering lack? Well, Android 4.2 for one thing, but as we've shown above you're just an aftermarket keyboard app away from getting the best that has to offer right now. And, the Nexus 10 does have a lower starting price of $399 for a 16GB model. The cheapest we were able to find the TF700 currently is $477 -- but that's for 32GB, so it's actually $20 cheaper than the 32GB Nexus 10. Plus, the TF700 offers expandable storage.
The Nexus 7 impressed us on nearly every front. What few flaws there were we more than forgave thanks to its bargain-basement price. At $400 to $500, the Nexus 10 is actually on par with many other 10-inch Android competitors -- even a little more expensive than some -- and, with average performance in most areas and sub-par battery life, it's relying on that incredibly high resolution and fresh Android build to set it apart. Sadly, neither is enough to distance this tablet from the competition.
The resolution is indeed quite nice but in many ways, the Super IPS+ panel on the ASUS Transformer Pad Infinity TF700 is even nicer, and other than that new keyboard there's nothing much in Android 4.2 to get excited about right now. Of course, the true beauty of the Nexus line is that when 4.3 rolls around this slate will be the first to get it, and that is certainly worth something. But is it worth enough to make up for this tablet's other shortcomings?"
So go and buy a Nexus 10 and be happy
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i dont like mine at all and want a nexus 10. i shoudlnt have to unlock void this and the other i just want something that works. i do a lot of flashing on my htx one x to get it where it "should be" while all my friends just buy their ipad 4 and have zero things to do on them, just use them as intented. i stick to android because i need it to do a load more than iOS can give me but damn sometimes i wish google would just make a stable version. oh wait. its called a nexus 10. lol and theres no luck in selling these things. who knows about a transformer infinity ? resale value is low >_>
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i shoudlnt have to unlock void this and the other i just want something that works.
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First, it sounds like the OP already has a TF700. For someone that's going to have to take a loss to get a N10 the question of which to get is different than someone just looking to buy a tablet. It also depends on what OP does with his tablet. The one place where the N10 will blow anything else out there away is gaming. Teg3 is a fifteen month old 40nm A9 chip and in the TF700 it's running at its maximum resolution output. The Mali in the N10 has 2/3 more memory bandwidth and that's huge. For consumption, browsing, and utility type stuff it doesn't make sense to go from a TF700 to a N10.
For someone looking for a new tablet unless they need the keyboard, extended battery life, Super IPS display, and expandable storage it makes no sense to buy a TF700 over a N10. The N10's designed by Google and built by Samsung so it will run well out of the box, be built well, have great service and support, and be updated regularly well in to the future. And it costs less too.
And 95% of people buying a tablet don't know what a bootloader is so what they get out of the box is what they're going to have to live with. To get competitive performance out of the TF700 you guys on this forum have done some of the best work I've seen on XDA. But at the end of the day your $499 tablet costs $649 ($499+$100 SquareTrade for voiding warranty+$50 Class 10 SD card for data2SD to fix read/write issues) which is almost the same price as the most expensive tablet available: the 64GB iPad. And even after that it doesn't have 5GHz dual-channel Wi-Fi, BT4.0, Glonass-support, NFC, and other more modern features. So for a non-XDA audience not needing or wanting the TF700's extra features they'll have a far better experience with a stock N10.
Without unlocking, rooting, and risking file corruption the TF700's performance isn't really competitive. Here's a stock TF700 on the latest JB update vs. a stock Note 10.1 on yesterday's JB release. I can't imagine the N10 in final shippable form on pure 4.2 won't at least match the Note's performance. And if someone applied the same SQL tweaks and other things you've guys have had to do to the Note 10.1 the vast difference in stock performance would carry through when looking at them tweaked vs. tweaked. The difference being no one's done it because it's not necessary. And you know the dev community for the N10 will be huge and they'll be able to get a lot more out of the N10 matching or exceeding your gains over stock.
So which to pick depends on whether someone's willing to heavily modify their device to make it perform well, whether more modern features matter, how big a deal the non-expandable storage is on the N10, and how important Asus' unique features are. There’s really no one-size-fits-all answer if you’re being objective.
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For someone looking for a new tablet unless they need the keyboard, extended battery life, Super IPS display, removable storage it makes no sense to buy a TF700 over a N10.
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^^^^This^^^^^
It basically boils down to what features will end out being most important to you in your day to day use.
I too seroiusly considered ditching the TF700 for the N10 but when I weighed out the benifits of the N10 compared to what I would be sacrifing I just could not get myself to pull the trigger.
I can not count the amount of times I have had to turn on that super ips switch and slide it to Max. The benifit of the N10's higher resolution and faster processor would be moot in this situation if I cant veiw the display.
I myself am considering switching to a GNote 10.1 from my t700. Gaming and just the I/o in general seems more smooth on the note. Just sucks its such an expensive tablet for what you get.
I am worried about unlocking, because even with a square trade warranty once your manufacture warranty is void, so I'd your squaretrade. Also your square trade does not go into effect until the year on your regular warranty...so if your unlocked I guess you better hope you don't have an issue for the first year
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Nice read. OP wondering what you've decided with. I'm stuck too. Love the form factor of the t700 with keyboard but I feel its very outdated processor. N10 is a beast when it comes to gaming. Butter smooth.
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aznmode said:
Nice read. OP wondering what you've decided with. I'm stuck too. Love the form factor of the t700 with keyboard but I feel its very outdated processor. N10 is a beast when it comes to gaming. Butter smooth.
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I am on the fence as well and I am an android noob with a stock TF700 plus dock still returnable at BB.
I have seen you here and in the Nexus 10 forum and was wondering if you bought one. I mostly browse and watch movies, so not sure if the TF700 is going to be to much for a starter noob like me. BarryH has some great points.
I chose Android to try and get away for all the proprietary issues with the Apple brand... I feel the walls closing in on that idea!
I would at least like to root and have some say over MY tablet and deny some of these insane permissions that are being asked.
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I am on the fence as well and I am an android noob with a stock TF700 plus dock still returnable at BB.
I have seen you here and in the Nexus 10 forum and was wondering if you bought one. I mostly browse and watch movies, so not sure if the TF700 is going to be to much for a starter noob like me. BarryH has some great points.
I chose Android to try and get away for all the proprietary issues with the Apple brand... I feel the walls closing in on that idea!
I would at least like to root and have some say over MY tablet and deny some of these insane permissions that are being asked.
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I have both. I like the nexus 10 for gaming and it just works. Everything is smooth. Tf700 is not as smooth and do lag from time to time but the keyboard dock is its selling point IMO. For browsing and watching movies the tf700 is good.
Also to add I just unlocked and running cleanrom inheritance with clemsey kernel and it still lags here and there.
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I finally unlocked and with cleanrom inheritance along with clemsey kernel 1.8ghz with 650 gpu. IMO n10 is still smoother and faster. Not to say the tf700 didn't improve but I do still see frame rate drop often and games are smoother but not butter smooth like the n10. The n10 gpu is just a beast.
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