As title says, which one would you prefer. I'm on 4.1.1 so I won't be able to flash nvflash with my asus infinity. How big is the risk for me to unlock then install cleanrom?
uwotm8 said:
As title says, which one would you prefer. I'm on 4.1.1 so I won't be able to flash nvflash with my asus infinity. How big is the risk for me to unlock then install cleanrom?
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If you do it right, no risk really, (maybe .1%, but this come with anything). I have been testing like uninstall/reinstall/reformat/switching internal memory to sdcard/downgrade/upgrade/incremental upgrade/flashing kernels about at least 20 times and mine is running top notch.
buhohitr said:
If you do it right, no risk really, (maybe .1%, but this come with anything). I have been testing like uninstall/reinstall/reformat/switching internal memory to sdcard/downgrade/upgrade/incremental upgrade/flashing kernels about at least 20 times and mine is running top notch.
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and you don't have nvflash? I'm just debating whether or not to unlock it, because once I do I can't really sell it to get the nexus 10. I feel like the nexus 10 will have more dev support over the years...however I will stick with the tf700 if it performs better than the n10 with cleanmod and with an overclock
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How big is the risk for me to unlock then install cleanrom?
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I agree it's low or no risk...
Although don't do it just because.
If you really are trying to talk yourself into a Nexus then it might be better to leave the TFI as is.
Are you happy overall with the TF700T?
Coming from the ground up
Thats OK said:
I agree it's low or no risk...
Although don't do it just because.
If you really are trying to talk yourself into a Nexus then it might be better to leave the TFI as is.
Are you happy overall with the TF700T?
Coming from the ground up
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it's not as smooth as I had hoped it to be but I heard cleanmod fixes this.
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it's not as smooth as I had hoped it to be but I heard cleanmod fixes this.
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Yes, CleanRom and Clemsyn and data2sd really make this thing worth more than $500. I'm very happy with it. When I first purchased the device, my wife and kids refused to use it due to performance and broswer, now they're fighting to grab it.
I am personally running clean and oc and it is awesome, but hard to compare to something that no one has in their hands. If you are unsure just wait. check out the 10 then go from there. my decision to unlock was based on the external sd and dock. Nexus will have options too , but I decided to hang on to my 700 and getting my kids nexus 7's for xmas so I will have some nexus fun too...
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it's not as smooth as I had hoped it to be but I heard cleanmod fixes this.
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Yep,
I have to say with CleanROM and the newest Clemsyn's I no longer consider my TFI a clunker...
The biggest risk is that any future hardware failure will be very expensive for you (if you want a working TF700 back).
I'm on paranoid Android with Clemsyn's CM10 based kernel. No data to sd and I love it! Super fast. My tablet feels rock solid. I don't understand why some complain about build quality. I love the slim sexy look. Can't wait to get my micro sd to try data to sd. Hearing how awesome it is will make this thing crazy good. I wouldn't own a tablet or phone I couldn't hack on. I love development and it's quickly turned into my favorite hobby the past couple years
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i dont like mine at all and want a nexus 10. i shoudlnt have to unlock void this and the other i just want something that works. i do a lot of flashing on my htx one x to get it where it "should be" while all my friends just buy their ipad 4 and have zero things to do on them, just use them as intented. i stick to android because i need it to do a load more than iOS can give me but damn sometimes i wish google would just make a stable version. oh wait. its called a nexus 10. lol and theres no luck in selling these things. who knows about a transformer infinity ? resale value is low >_>
This is Engadget's verdict about the Nexus 10:
"At under $400, the Nexus 10 is a compelling package, but despite that display it can't quite muster best-in-class performances across the charts. In fact, other than a relative lack of resolution (1,920 x 1,200 vs. this guy's 2,560 x 1,600) the Transformer Pad Infinity TF700 is, we think, an overall better package. It's thinner, lighter, faster, has a much better camera, offers better battery life (particularly if you opt for the keyboard dock) and, frankly, we'd take the brightness and contrast of that 600 nit, Super IPS+ panel over this one with its extra pixels.
What does ASUS's offering lack? Well, Android 4.2 for one thing, but as we've shown above you're just an aftermarket keyboard app away from getting the best that has to offer right now. And, the Nexus 10 does have a lower starting price of $399 for a 16GB model. The cheapest we were able to find the TF700 currently is $477 -- but that's for 32GB, so it's actually $20 cheaper than the 32GB Nexus 10. Plus, the TF700 offers expandable storage.
The Nexus 7 impressed us on nearly every front. What few flaws there were we more than forgave thanks to its bargain-basement price. At $400 to $500, the Nexus 10 is actually on par with many other 10-inch Android competitors -- even a little more expensive than some -- and, with average performance in most areas and sub-par battery life, it's relying on that incredibly high resolution and fresh Android build to set it apart. Sadly, neither is enough to distance this tablet from the competition.
The resolution is indeed quite nice but in many ways, the Super IPS+ panel on the ASUS Transformer Pad Infinity TF700 is even nicer, and other than that new keyboard there's nothing much in Android 4.2 to get excited about right now. Of course, the true beauty of the Nexus line is that when 4.3 rolls around this slate will be the first to get it, and that is certainly worth something. But is it worth enough to make up for this tablet's other shortcomings?"
So go and buy a Nexus 10 and be happy
Crizthakidd said:
i dont like mine at all and want a nexus 10. i shoudlnt have to unlock void this and the other i just want something that works. i do a lot of flashing on my htx one x to get it where it "should be" while all my friends just buy their ipad 4 and have zero things to do on them, just use them as intented. i stick to android because i need it to do a load more than iOS can give me but damn sometimes i wish google would just make a stable version. oh wait. its called a nexus 10. lol and theres no luck in selling these things. who knows about a transformer infinity ? resale value is low >_>
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i shoudlnt have to unlock void this and the other i just want something that works.
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First, it sounds like the OP already has a TF700. For someone that's going to have to take a loss to get a N10 the question of which to get is different than someone just looking to buy a tablet. It also depends on what OP does with his tablet. The one place where the N10 will blow anything else out there away is gaming. Teg3 is a fifteen month old 40nm A9 chip and in the TF700 it's running at its maximum resolution output. The Mali in the N10 has 2/3 more memory bandwidth and that's huge. For consumption, browsing, and utility type stuff it doesn't make sense to go from a TF700 to a N10.
For someone looking for a new tablet unless they need the keyboard, extended battery life, Super IPS display, and expandable storage it makes no sense to buy a TF700 over a N10. The N10's designed by Google and built by Samsung so it will run well out of the box, be built well, have great service and support, and be updated regularly well in to the future. And it costs less too.
And 95% of people buying a tablet don't know what a bootloader is so what they get out of the box is what they're going to have to live with. To get competitive performance out of the TF700 you guys on this forum have done some of the best work I've seen on XDA. But at the end of the day your $499 tablet costs $649 ($499+$100 SquareTrade for voiding warranty+$50 Class 10 SD card for data2SD to fix read/write issues) which is almost the same price as the most expensive tablet available: the 64GB iPad. And even after that it doesn't have 5GHz dual-channel Wi-Fi, BT4.0, Glonass-support, NFC, and other more modern features. So for a non-XDA audience not needing or wanting the TF700's extra features they'll have a far better experience with a stock N10.
Without unlocking, rooting, and risking file corruption the TF700's performance isn't really competitive. Here's a stock TF700 on the latest JB update vs. a stock Note 10.1 on yesterday's JB release. I can't imagine the N10 in final shippable form on pure 4.2 won't at least match the Note's performance. And if someone applied the same SQL tweaks and other things you've guys have had to do to the Note 10.1 the vast difference in stock performance would carry through when looking at them tweaked vs. tweaked. The difference being no one's done it because it's not necessary. And you know the dev community for the N10 will be huge and they'll be able to get a lot more out of the N10 matching or exceeding your gains over stock.
So which to pick depends on whether someone's willing to heavily modify their device to make it perform well, whether more modern features matter, how big a deal the non-expandable storage is on the N10, and how important Asus' unique features are. There’s really no one-size-fits-all answer if you’re being objective.
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For someone looking for a new tablet unless they need the keyboard, extended battery life, Super IPS display, removable storage it makes no sense to buy a TF700 over a N10.
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^^^^This^^^^^
It basically boils down to what features will end out being most important to you in your day to day use.
I too seroiusly considered ditching the TF700 for the N10 but when I weighed out the benifits of the N10 compared to what I would be sacrifing I just could not get myself to pull the trigger.
I can not count the amount of times I have had to turn on that super ips switch and slide it to Max. The benifit of the N10's higher resolution and faster processor would be moot in this situation if I cant veiw the display.
I myself am considering switching to a GNote 10.1 from my t700. Gaming and just the I/o in general seems more smooth on the note. Just sucks its such an expensive tablet for what you get.
I am worried about unlocking, because even with a square trade warranty once your manufacture warranty is void, so I'd your squaretrade. Also your square trade does not go into effect until the year on your regular warranty...so if your unlocked I guess you better hope you don't have an issue for the first year
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Nice read. OP wondering what you've decided with. I'm stuck too. Love the form factor of the t700 with keyboard but I feel its very outdated processor. N10 is a beast when it comes to gaming. Butter smooth.
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aznmode said:
Nice read. OP wondering what you've decided with. I'm stuck too. Love the form factor of the t700 with keyboard but I feel its very outdated processor. N10 is a beast when it comes to gaming. Butter smooth.
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I am on the fence as well and I am an android noob with a stock TF700 plus dock still returnable at BB.
I have seen you here and in the Nexus 10 forum and was wondering if you bought one. I mostly browse and watch movies, so not sure if the TF700 is going to be to much for a starter noob like me. BarryH has some great points.
I chose Android to try and get away for all the proprietary issues with the Apple brand... I feel the walls closing in on that idea!
I would at least like to root and have some say over MY tablet and deny some of these insane permissions that are being asked.
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I am on the fence as well and I am an android noob with a stock TF700 plus dock still returnable at BB.
I have seen you here and in the Nexus 10 forum and was wondering if you bought one. I mostly browse and watch movies, so not sure if the TF700 is going to be to much for a starter noob like me. BarryH has some great points.
I chose Android to try and get away for all the proprietary issues with the Apple brand... I feel the walls closing in on that idea!
I would at least like to root and have some say over MY tablet and deny some of these insane permissions that are being asked.
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I have both. I like the nexus 10 for gaming and it just works. Everything is smooth. Tf700 is not as smooth and do lag from time to time but the keyboard dock is its selling point IMO. For browsing and watching movies the tf700 is good.
Also to add I just unlocked and running cleanrom inheritance with clemsey kernel and it still lags here and there.
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I finally unlocked and with cleanrom inheritance along with clemsey kernel 1.8ghz with 650 gpu. IMO n10 is still smoother and faster. Not to say the tf700 didn't improve but I do still see frame rate drop often and games are smoother but not butter smooth like the n10. The n10 gpu is just a beast.
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Had my new TF for a couple weeks now. I'm frustrated that my 18 month old Samsung Captivate (Galaxy S) is better in many ways: Flash support, streaming movies, general speed, standby battery life, etc. I'll admit, my phone is rooted and running a custom ROM, but shouldn't the dual-core and additional memory on the TF make for a smoother experience? Is anyone else experiencing the same type of issues?
To be honest, if you think your phone is better than your TF, I think you'll find that you're most likely alone in that opinion. Maybe I'm wrong tho...
definitely in the minority... i have a fascinate (galaxy S) and a transformer (and an iPad 1 for that matter) and the transformer absolutely screams... even pumping out a much higher screen resolution.
the latest 3.1 update has only made things better.... and you say "flash support and streaming video" as if the transformer doesnt support either, when it supports both.... HD flash plays 10x smoother on the transformer than the galaxy S.
Sounds like your phone is better than any tablet currently available.
Personally, I prefer to stare at a 10.1" screen rather than the 4.3" screen on my Evo, though my Evo does several things better than my TF. And my TF does several things better than my Evo. They compliment one another, I wasn't expecting a replacement.
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Sounds like your phone is better than any tablet currently available.
Personally, I prefer to stare at a 10.1" screen rather than the 4.3" screen on my Evo, though my Evo does several things better than my TF. And my TF does several things better than my Evo. They compliment one another, I wasn't expecting a replacement.
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^This and the Transformer's biggest advantage over any phone would be tabbed browsing
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comparing a phone to a 10 inch tablet that has an ips screen with over 720p resolution. I mean you are kidding yourself of even comparing the two
nope.
the tf supports flash, can stream movies, generally speedy, and good battery life.
your phone's battery life is more likely due to your custom undervolted kernel, non-dual core cpu, and not powering a 10.1 inch screen.
I don't need a signature.
javroch said:
To be honest, if you think your phone is better than your TF, I think you'll find that you're most likely alone in that opinion. Maybe I'm wrong tho...
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You aren't wrong. Also I think the Samsung Galaxy series sucks. I took my Epic back within a week. Touchwiz FTL.
ls3mach said:
You aren't wrong. Also I think the Samsung Galaxy series sucks. I took my Epic back within a week. Touchwiz FTL.
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You know that there are other alternatives to touchwiz, lol. I replaced mine with launcherpro. Was infinitely better. Galaxy S series is a good set of phones. But I'll have to agree with everyone else in the thread and disagree with the OP. Samsung Captivate is NOT better than the TF...by any means. But as mentioned before, the tablet is to compliment my phone, not replace it.
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You know that there are other alternatives to touchwiz, lol. I replaced mine with launcherpro. Was infinitely better. Galaxy S series is a good set of phones. But I'll have to agree with everyone else in the thread and disagree with the OP. Samsung Captivate is NOT better than the TF...by any means. But as mentioned before, the tablet is to compliment my phone, not replace it.
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yea, i like my galaxy S, and i've never even touched touchwiz.
i went from droid 1 to incredible (amoled) to the DX to the samsung... the samsung is my favorite by far..... of course i'm also an audiophile and i love the wolfson audio chipset, and the galaxy has the better camera of the 4.
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You know that there are other alternatives to touchwiz, lol. I replaced mine with launcherpro. Was infinitely better. Galaxy S series is a good set of phones. But I'll have to agree with everyone else in the thread and disagree with the OP. Samsung Captivate is NOT better than the TF...by any means. But as mentioned before, the tablet is to compliment my phone, not replace it.
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Running darky on my galaxy i9000m, perfect (for a phone...) but the transformer wins hand down, just received the dock and it looks GREAT (still waiting for it to be fully charged ) well, gonna start taking notes on it starting tomorrow...
Did i say the transformer wins hand down over my phone?
I've got a galaxy S myself and since getting my tablet i find that my phone is constantly pissing me off and i keep thinking why can't my phone be more like my tablet.
We all know Asus' solution to this predicament...PadPhone
Back on topic, I'm not sure what you mean when you say your captivate is better in the flash department? My TF runs flash just as well as my Evo (as they are using the same 10.3 build hacked for hulu) My battery life on Primordial 3.1 is just as good as my tablet in terms of life, as a matter of fact because I use the TF now i suppose you can say that the Evo has been getting better battery life as it hasn't really been in use at all.
In terms of smoothness, running Primodial 3.1 vs CM7 nightlies + Tiamat, the tablet slows down occasionally where i would stutter on the evo. I have a feeling this is due to the apps themselves not being optimized to utilize two cores, its the same deal with computers where even if you have a 8-core cpu it won't matter if the software can't take advantage of it. On the homescreens, running the same widgets an both on launcherpro, the transformer consistenty stays smooth while the evo would occasionally slow down.
Compared to my friends' Epics, the transformer is just as smooth, which leads to my confusion as to why it would seem your phone is better than your tablet, nevermind that one isn't meant to replace the other.
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I think I get what he is saying. To me Android 2.3 is more mature, feels more stable, optimized and faster. While Android 3.0 is basically new, rushed, less stable, far from optimized, and just doesn't feel as responsive.
I don't really blame Google for rushing Honeycomb out the door. They needed something more tailored for a tablet and Apple was just owning the entire tablet market for an entire year.
And while Android 3 still feels pretty rough, I certainly welcome it's new features and tablet friendly feel over Android 2.3, so I'm okay sacrificing a bit of stability and speed. And Android 3.x will also get better over time too.
Also think the big 1280x800 screen probably slows some aspects of it down too, versus the 800x480 screen on the Galaxy S phone.
Hopefully the Transformer gets Android Ice Cream Sandwich later this year. I think that'll be a big improvement over Honeycomb. As now Google doesn't really have to rush that out the door as urgently and can make sure it's done right.
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I think I get what he is saying. To me Android 2.3 is more mature, feels more stable, optimized and faster. While Android 3.0 is basically new, rushed, less stable, far from optimized, and just doesn't feel as responsive.
I don't really blame Google for rushing Honeycomb out the door. They needed something more tailored for a tablet and Apple was just owning the entire tablet market for an entire year.
And while Android 3 still feels pretty rough, I certainly welcome it's new features and tablet friendly feel over Android 2.3, so I'm okay sacrificing a bit of stability and speed. And Android 3.x will also get better over time too.
Also think the big 1280x800 screen probably slows some aspects of it down too, versus the 800x480 screen on the Galaxy S phone.
Hopefully the Transformer gets Android Ice Cream Sandwich later this year. I think that'll be a big improvement over Honeycomb. As now Google doesn't really have to rush that out the door as urgently and can make sure it's done right.
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I've always kind of assumed they kept Honeycomb closed source because it's a bit of a hack job and they didn't want anyone to see how messy their apartment is.
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To be honest, if you think your phone is better than your TF, I think you'll find that you're most likely alone in that opinion. Maybe I'm wrong tho...
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Definitely not saying the phone is better overall. I love the TF for the keyboard dock, large screen and battery life, I am just disappointed that flash websites seem slow and that the TF loses so much battery in standby. For example, the phone loss the XDA site (desktop version) twice as fast as the TF. Just seems strange.
It seems like everyone else is having no slowdown problems like I am experiencing on flash sites. Hopefully the upgrade to 3.1 will improve things. Thanks you for your insightful reply.
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I think I get what he is saying. To me Android 2.3 is more mature, feels more stable, optimized and faster. While Android 3.0 is basically new, rushed, less stable, far from optimized, and just doesn't feel as responsive.
I don't really blame Google for rushing Honeycomb out the door. They needed something more tailored for a tablet and Apple was just owning the entire tablet market for an entire year.
And while Android 3 still feels pretty rough, I certainly welcome it's new features and tablet friendly feel over Android 2.3, so I'm okay sacrificing a bit of stability and speed. And Android 3.x will also get better over time too.
Also think the big 1280x800 screen probably slows some aspects of it down too, versus the 800x480 screen on the Galaxy S phone.
Hopefully the Transformer gets Android Ice Cream Sandwich later this year. I think that'll be a big improvement over Honeycomb. As now Google doesn't really have to rush that out the door as urgently and can make sure it's done right.
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Thank you, that is basically what I was saying. Still love my TF though.
My Galaxy S (custom rom) runs great compared to my rooted tf101. Right now almost every benchmark I run, the samsung galaxy out performs. To give you an idea, quadrant on my vibrant is running over 2300 as compared to 1500 on tf101. Frame rates are also better. (btw, I know about quadrants flaws...so save it) Linpack results are better on the tab..but not by much. As mentioned before, it is probably because the os and rom have been tweaked with every known hack. As this tablet matures and developers have the time to optimize the performance I bet this thing will fly. It is just very rough out the door but I am real happy with my transformer. I guess I know what the potential it has going for it. for those looking for a nice refined tablet, the ipad2 is very sweet. I'm not really an Apple fan, but it is a great product. Now only if the jailbreak will come out for the ipad2!
(BTW, I am looking forward to getting a galaxy s ll dual core shortly!!)
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My Galaxy S (custom rom) runs great compared to my rooted tf101. Right now almost every benchmark I run, the samsung galaxy out performs. To give you an idea, quadrant on my vibrant is running over 2300 as compared to 1500 on tf101. Frame rates are also better. (btw, I know about quadrants flaws...so save it) Linpack results are better on the tab..but not by much. As mentioned before, it is probably because the os and rom have been tweaked with every known hack. As this tablet matures and developers have the time to optimize the performance I bet this thing will fly. It is just very rough out the door but I am real happy with my transformer. I guess I know what the potential it has going for it. for those looking for a nice refined tablet, the ipad2 is very sweet. I'm not really an Apple fan, but it is a great product. Now only if the jailbreak will come out for the ipad2!
(BTW, I am looking forward to getting a galaxy s ll dual core shortly!!)
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You're comparing apples to oranges with a tool that's not great at comparing apples or oranges in the first place. Quadrant/Linpack aren't a valid measurement between two different devices. The best they can be used for is comparing your own device against itself after changing things / tinkering.
Either way, I am more than happy with the performance of my TF and I am totally unrooted and unmodified. There's really very little I even use my phone for any more, besides as a phone.. Flash runs well, my battery live is actually surprisingly great. To be honest, when I first read the initial post I thought it was a joke.
I'm considering getting a new/first tablet. However, I'm not quite sure which one I want to get. I'm curious if anyone here has an android tablet or is getting considering one. If you do have one, what is it and how do you like it?
I'm looking at everything but currently the tablets I'm eyeing the most are:
- Transformer Prime: Sounds like a beast. I do worry it will be a bit expensive and I'm not sure when it will make its way to Canada. I'm also not sure I really even need that kind of power for what I want to do on a tablet.
- Motorola Xoom: Has similar specs to pretty much every other tablet on the market right now. It also will probably be the tablet with the most dev support for quite a while I imagine (until a "nexus" tablet comes out). +it's price point shouldn't be too bad at this point and it's scheduled for ICS update
- Xoom 2: Kind of like the design of this (even if the specs are only a small update to the Xoom). Problem is I have no idea if this will come to the states, let alone Canada anytime soon. Also seems kinda "blurified".
- Sony Tablet S: Available in Canada, but not sure how good of a price I can get on this (compared to the Xoom which has near-identical specs). I really like the design and am a big fan of Sony products in general.
Any tablets you guys eyeing or own?
Tablets are just as particular as phones. When you got your XT, I bet you thought it was the top of the heap. I did. Then I found out about all its little issues and problems, but also about the really good things it has. No way I could have known then. From what I can gather, tabs are the same thing. I have seen Galaxy tabs rocking it, but then in some people's signatures on XDA I see "Nook running CM7". In the states you can get a Nook for pretty cheep, easy to root and then put a stable CM7 on it a go with it.
Now RAM and memory are something I don't know anything about. Not even sure how much small RAM would be like our meager 256 on the XT. I actually would be interested in knowing that. With our current locked bootloader situation, I would stay away from the Xoom, even though I think there is a leak. I will never buy a Motorola again b/c of their user policies. I see the Bionic and actually laugh to myself b/c I already know it will be a locked bootloader (but the average person will think it is the best phone ever made. You know that most people don't even know what XDA, root or evena custom ROM is?).
Personally, my wife and I have talked about it and really don't understand the attraction to tabs. If you have a tab running CM7, with flash, email, skype,...it is extremely similar to just having a bigger screened phone. One caveat is that HP discontinued their global personal computer operations (now they are exclusive to technical management solutions- or some crap like that). But suspending their personal computer options does have one benefit for you and me. Their tabs dropped from $699us to $99/139us, but everyone with an online credit card picked one up a few months ago. Bestbuy just sent back all 250,000 they had in stock, so you might be able to still pick one up on the cheap (not android os though).
And finally, Rev is in one of my G+ circles and he posts a fair amount of tablet info, so you might want to PM him and find out his thoughts.
p.s. he changed his avatar from a priest to RevTV with an android. Sorry for the long reply but I have been looking at these for some time now.
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With our current locked bootloader situation, I would stay away from the Xoom, even though I think there is a leak
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Actually, although it pains me to say this, the Xoom is a Google developer device and can be easily unlocked by users (i.e. it's like the OG Droid). I think you're thinking of the leaked Atrix unlock. I would assume Xoom 2 is probably wearing a chastity belt until proven deflowered.
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When you got your XT, I bet you thought it was the top of the heap. I did.
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Nope. I got mine quite a bit after it came out. I didn't really understand the RAM issues and other issues it had though... (was still pretty new to Android).
I would stay away from the Xoom, even though I think there is a leak.
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It has unlockable/relockable bootloader and most likely the biggest developer community of any tablet atm and for a while (it's like a nexus phone I'd say).
Personally, my wife and I have talked about it and really don't understand the attraction to tabs.
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I actually felt much the same way until recently. I do have uses for a tablet, though I've been thinking of the "it's a bigger screened phone" bit as well. There are certain things that I want to do that I can't do on the smaller screen of my phone (i.e. productivity stuff such as writing down lecture notes and working on essays, video chatting on a larger screen etc...). But some of the functionality on the tab is definitely duplicated by a phone. That's why I really love concepts such as the Padfone... (but that's not coming out for quite a while I believe...). I don't really love the idea of having both tablet and phone (superfluos in some ways), but I want something that combines the functionality of both...
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My brother has the Asus Transformer and its a beast!! He has had it since day one and everytime I go over there I got to get my sticky lil fingers all over it. He bought the keyboard dock to which makes it twice as good + the full HDMI mirroring makes it awesome. Its also unlockable. He's running one of the newest prime roms with the o/c and there's no waiting for anything. Theres a pretty big dev comunity for it. Plus it has the ips display, which is the same as ipad. If I were you tho I'd wait for the quad cores.... then by a dual core, they will be way cheaper then.(hopefully) :/ lol who needs more than 2 cores in a tablet anyway.
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I bought the Acer A500 when Walmart has them for $299 ($399 but you get a $100 gift card free), but my biased opinion says it is a bit on the big/bulky side. I felt that 10" is not very easy to handle given my small Asian hands. It is also not the lightest, and when I am reading in the bed my arm would get tired from just holding it up. Nonetheless even the Xoom or Galaxy Tab isn't that much lighter so I think maybe it's just me nick-picking.
Long story short I returned it but am very interested in the new 8.9" tab... That may be my sweet-spot on size. Same resolution screen, smaller/lighter to handle, but I will need to see how it's battery life fares.
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I read a great review on Android Police about the Galaxy tab 8.9 and they said battery life was awesome. They hated on the touch wiz ui tho. They said it made everyday tasks sluggish.
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I read a great review on Android Police about the Galaxy tab 8.9 and they said battery life was awesome. They hated on the touch wiz ui tho. They said it made everyday tasks sluggish.
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Well, that's good to hear! I was secretly hoping the smaller screen will mean less battery drain (since I believe the 8.9's battery rating was lower). Regarding the UI... I can always wait for a custom ROM to show up here at some point! I just started playing with MIUI for my XT720 and I love it wwaaaaay better than any of the other UI I've used before. Gotta love the development community on Android!!
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Hello i have an hannspree SN10T1 it s a 10,1 inch Tablet with an Dualcore Tegra2 Chip and the best think it cost only 169 Euro and its perfect.
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Hello Xoom owners!
I am considering joining your crowd, and unfortunately, I cannot get in with the Staples deal. Would you mind answering a few questions for me ?
1) How is ICS official release shaping up for you, any nagging issues or lost functionality?
2) I've found a used Xoom (wifi, ics) at the same price (~$330) as a new Transformer TF101. There are dozens of comparisons, I know, but I can't get over the fact that the local B&M's seem to have more than a few open box asus returns due to issues. That being said should I consider getting the xoom at this point?
3) Have any of you experienced any long-term reliability issues? I've searched and searched, and it seems somewhat few and far-between. Big things I am after is stand-alone GPS performance, and screen with minimal light-bleed.
4) Forget xoom completely, and wait? But for what?
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1) How is ICS official release shaping up for you, any nagging issues or lost functionality?
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So, one of the big perks with the Motorola Xoom is it's easily unlocked bootloader. This gives you the obvious advantage of NOT having to run the stock software. If just running stock is more what you're into, I would look at other options in the field, personally.
Current ICS based roms, however, have fleshed out very nicely for our device. There doesn't appear to be any lost functionality or issues and I've been quite happy since I started flashing them. Speed seems as good, if not better and my fantastic battery life just keeps getting better.
2) I've found a used Xoom (wifi, ics) at the same price (~$330) as a new Transformer TF101. There are dozens of comparisons, I know, but I can't get over the fact that the local B&M's seem to have more than a few open box asus returns due to issues. That being said should I consider getting the xoom at this point?
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Can't say I'm crazy about the Transformer, but that's just me. The only real selling point it has over the Xoom, as far as I can see, is the ability to attach the keyboard. Personally, if that's something I really needed, I would have looked into an Apple Air (or a beefy netbook).
3) Have any of you experienced any long-term reliability issues? I've searched and searched, and it seems somewhat few and far-between. Big things I am after is stand-alone GPS performance, and screen with minimal light-bleed.
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Long term, no. I was a day-one 3g model adopter and some of those fresh off the assembly line models had some questionable build issues. Mine, for example, would made this odd creaking noise if you applied any pressure to the left side of the screen and the seam between the speakers/camera and the component cover was a little squishy if I were to press it the right way.
So I took mine back to Verizon and my replacement was flawless That is, until I dropped it in the fountain the atrium at work while trying to avoid hitting some kids running around, and the thing stopped working. Thankfully, Verizon sorta had my back and we hopped on a call with Motorola and the Verizon CSR more or less strong armed Motorola into giving me a free replacement.
4) Forget xoom completely, and wait? But for what?
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I can't say what to wait for, but you are looking at picking up a device that has been discontinued. It has, in my experience, great performance and I don't personally plan to replace mine for at LEAST another year or more. If you're OK with that, you'll be getting a lot of tablet for the $300 mark, even if it's not the top of the line model.
My guess is the Xoom will still be a solid option for another 12-18 months for those who don't need to have the super-duper top of the line everything. Sure, there will be a few games that will work better on new hardware, but the core of what you would use a tablet for would likely not benefit from newer models in that time frame.
^ Thank you, that is what I wanted to hear.
I don't see much value in the latest and greatest thus far, and though it feels like I am overpaying at this point (considering other member deals), I do feel the reliability and community support is there.
And the stand-alone GPS is fantastic.
I am looking to get into this tablet as well any tips I should know before buying ???(I have a hook up at staples getting the display )
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I am looking to get into this tablet as well any tips I should know before buying ???
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Like I said above, the biggest think to remember is that you would be buying a device that has been discontinued. So in very short order, it will be extremely hard to find chargers, docks, cases, etc as most places will have liquidated their inventory. My tip would be to make sure you buy anything you even think you may want for this thing when you buy it.
The only thing that I don't like in the Xoom is the screen which has some ghosting effect with some colors.
Compared to my Galaxy S2 screen it has a lot less quality, but at least it doesn't hurt eyes of you use it for a long time (amoled screens seem more tiring to me).
Materials are very good, it is very solid and ICS is amazing.
If you have ever seen a tablet with Honeycomb... forget about that! Ice Cream Sandwich is a lot faster, smother and stable.
Asus Transformer has a better screen (as far as I know, I have never seen it) but worse materials.
And not only it has not official ICS. It doesn't even have a decent ICS custom ROM.
If you are lucky to get Xoom for a good price it's awesome, ICS feels so smooth
One thing about the Transformer 1 is that the screen is better except for a huge amount of light bleeding. I returned mine for that reason and got the Xoom. Very happy with it.
Consider the Samsung Galaxy or the Transformer Prime. I got the Prime and its good, quad core, thin and a very good screen with no light bleed. Best buy here has them in stock.
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well i currently own a 300 but am still in the 30 day return policy so i was wondering if anyone has upgraded and is very satisfied with the 700? is there a really noticable difference between the two? does anyone highly recommend it over the 300?
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well i currently own a 300 but am still in the 30 day return policy so i was wondering if anyone has upgraded and is very satisfied with the 700? is there a really noticable difference between the two? does anyone highly recommend it over the 300?
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I currently own both. Honestly, the TF300 is a damn good device. I found the TF700 to be only marginally better. Many people say the colors and contrast are significantly better on the TF700. I find the color saturation and contrast to be quite good on both. I find the screen on the TF300 to be essentially the same as the transformer Prime minus the Super IPS brightness.
The biggest selling point for the TF700 is screen sharpness/resolution and Super IPS brightness boost.The TF300 screen is excellent. The TF700 screen is spectaular. Also the TF700 is insanely bright.
Yes the TF700 has a faster processor, but this isn't that apparent to me in day to day use. The TF300 is fast enough for me for most tasks.
And the faster processor comes at a cost - if you are used to the battery life on the TF300 be prepared - the TF700's battery drains much faster at any brighness level. The TF300 is a much better portable device in my opinion.
Used near an outlet or if you always carry the dock, the TF700 is acceptable.
I probably shouldn't bring up apple, but its a lot like the difference between the iPad 2 and the new iPad. Evolutionary not revolutionary.
Edit: As a final comment - I use the TF300 when I travel or when I'm out during the day, because I don't need to worry about the battery. I use the TF700 at home or at work, because I'm always near an outlet. The TF700 feels more like a luxury - awesome screen, which is a pleasure to use when I can - but it comes at a bit of a cost.
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I currently own both. Honestly, the TF300 is a damn good device. I found the TF700 to be only marginally better. Many people say the colors and contrast are significantly better on the TF700. I find the color saturation and contrast to be quite good on both. I find the screen on the TF300 to be essentially the same as the transformer Prime minus the IPS brightness.
The biggest selling point for the TF700 is screen sharpness/resolution and super IPS brightness boost.The TF300 screen is excellent. The TF700 screen is spectaular. Also the TF700 is insanely bright.
Yes the TF700 has a faster processor, but this isn't that apparent to me in day to day use. The TF300 is fast enough for me for most tasks.
And the faster processor comes at a cost - if you are used to the battery life on the TF300 be prepared - the TF700's battery drains much faster at any brighness level. The TF300 is a much better portable device in my opinion.
Used near an outlet or if you always carry the dock, the TF700 is acceptable.
I probably shouldn't bring up apple, but its a lot like the difference between the iPad 2 and the new iPad. Evolutionary not revolutionary.
Edit: As a final comment - I use the TF300 when I travel or when I'm out during the day, because I don't need to worry about the battery. I use the TF700 at home or at work, because I'm always near an outlet. The TF700 feels more like a luxury - awesome screen, which is a pleasure to use when I can - but it comes at a bit of a cost.
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I kind of agree. I upgraded from a TF300. The screen is amazing but the TF300 was plenty fast for most uses. it was also much cheaper. The battery for the TF700 seems shorter. I drain about 15% an hour and get about 6 hours from heavy use. My dock only seems to add 2.5 hours. That was beofre I factory reset. Now I get about 7 and 3. My TF300 seemed to last me longer though I never officially checked. I also never used it as heavily as I do the TF700. S chool satrted about the same time I got my TF700.
TF300 is an amazing device though and the fact that you can get it for 250 at Best buy (16gb) makes it a no-brainer IMO. It has almost the exact same innards as the Nexus 7 which means fantastic support (hello jellybean) while also being 10.1" and having a micro SD slot (among other things).
But I needed the higher res screen so I own a TF700.
TF700 isn't so bad if you manage it well. I plan to probably trade in my tegra 3 version for an S4 snapdragon version if and when they finally come out.
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I kind of agree. I upgraded from a TF300. The screen is amazing but the TF300 was plenty fast for most uses. it was also much cheaper. The battery for the TF700 seems shorter. I drain about 15% an hour and get about 6 hours from heavy use. My dock only seems to add 2.5 hours. That was beofre I factory reset. Now I get about 7 and 3. My TF300 seemed to last me longer though I never officially checked. I also never used it as heavily as I do the TF700. S chool satrted about the same time I got my TF700.
TF300 is an amazing device though and the fact that you can get it for 250 at Best buy (16gb) makes it a no-brainer IMO. It has almost the exact same innards as the Nexus 7 which means fantastic support (hello jellybean) while also being 10.1" and having a micro SD slot (among other things).
But I needed the higher res screen so I own a TF700.
TF700 isn't so bad if you manage it well. I plan to probably trade in my tegra 3 version for an S4 snapdragon version if and when they finally come out.
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It is $350 for the 16 GB TF300.
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best buys around me had it on clearance for 250. Some were still in stock a few days ago when I checked. They'll run out but black friday I expect to see TF300 for 300 deals around.
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TF700 isn't so bad if you manage it well. I plan to probably trade in my tegra 3 version for an S4 snapdragon version if and when they finally come out.
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Just curious - how do you know that the S4 snapdragon version will be any better? Isn't there a chance that performance could actually be worse with the S4?
Also, while Nvidia leaves a lot to be desired, I'm not sure I'd want to lose all of the apps that are T3-specific. Is the S4 snapdragon expected to be as much of a "standard" as the T3 or would it be compatible with T3-specific apps?
Just seems a little strange (to me) that you are already convinced that the S4 version will be 'better' - curious how you came to those conclusions.
Please don't take these questions the wrong way - I really am curious about the S4 and just looking for some information about it.
Thanks!
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Just curious - how do you know that the S4 snapdragon version will be any better? Isn't there a chance that performance could actually be worse with the S4?
Also, while Nvidia leaves a lot to be desired, I'm not sure I'd want to lose all of the apps that are T3-specific. Is the S4 snapdragon expected to be as much of a "standard" as the T3 or would it be compatible with T3-specific apps?
Just seems a little strange (to me) that you are already convinced that the S4 version will be 'better' - curious how you came to those conclusions.
Please don't take these questions the wrong way - I really am curious about the S4 and just looking for some information about it.
Thanks!
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Just google snapdragon s4 vs tegra 3 you'll get literally hundreds of comparisons, many controversial.
Some think it may be just as good, others claim its vastly superior, others claim tegra 3 might have a slight edge (primarily NVIDIA)
I think the reason people here at XDA are looking forward to it is because there is a suspision that many of the problems that people have been having with the Infinity, Transformer and TF300 are related to the Tegra 3 - though there are extensive theories about the possibly sub-par eMMC/NAND memory (I/O problems) that ASUS may have used as well.
So there is a hope that the S4 (which is a superb chip) can't be any worse, and may be far better.
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Just curious - how do you know that the S4 snapdragon version will be any better? Isn't there a chance that performance could actually be worse with the S4?
Also, while Nvidia leaves a lot to be desired, I'm not sure I'd want to lose all of the apps that are T3-specific. Is the S4 snapdragon expected to be as much of a "standard" as the T3 or would it be compatible with T3-specific apps?
Just seems a little strange (to me) that you are already convinced that the S4 version will be 'better' - curious how you came to those conclusions.
Please don't take these questions the wrong way - I really am curious about the S4 and just looking for some information about it.
Thanks!
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I don't game with my tablet so the T3-specific apps you speak of (almost entirely games) don't matter to me.
Main reason is battery life. Comparing certain US phones to International phones is basically comparing the S4 to the Tegra 3. The performance is similar but the S4 usually has a significant advantage in battery life.
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See the main reason I would want to upgrade would be for the screen I feel like I wouldn't notice to much as far as the processor goes. But I did fall in love with how the 300 physically feels and Idk if I'd get that with the aluminum backing on the 700. And what about signals does the 700 fall short like the prime did with wifi and GPS?
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See the main reason I would want to upgrade would be for the screen I feel like I wouldn't notice to much as far as the processor goes. But I did fall in love with how the 300 physically feels and Idk if I'd get that with the aluminum backing on the 700. And what about signals does the 700 fall short like the prime did with wifi and GPS?
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picked up the tf700t yesterday. some initial hands-on comparisons with the tf300t (which i also own):
- tf700t screen (echoing others) is clearer, more vibrant and brighter; i'm a photographer and the screen upgrade is very noticeable. reading text is much nicer too. always thought the tf300t screen was a little washed out.
- tf700t is noticeably (but not significantly) lighter and thinner than the tf300t
- too soon to comment on battery
- tf300t power and volume rocker feels more positive than tf700t. tf700t power and volume rocker feels mushy
- tf300t speakers are much much louder and has more bass; sounds more full. tf700t sounds weak with too much treble; does sound slightly clearer and not as muffled as the tf300t though. i can hear the system sounds (touch/lock/unlock) only if i put the speaker to my ear (max volume).
can anybody else confirm my speaker observation? not sure if i have a busted speaker. thought the speakers would be on par if not better than the tf300t.
Personally, I had to install the Volume+ app in order to get my speakers to be loud enough, so I think your speaker observations are very accurate. With Volume+, I've been satisfied though (it also allows you to customize the sound with an equalizer)...
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Personally, I had to install the Volume+ app in order to get my speakers to be loud enough, so I think your speaker observations are very accurate. With Volume+, I've been satisfied though (it also allows you to customize the sound with an equalizer)...
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thanks for the confirmation. also, i can barely hear touch or unlock/lock sounds; it plays but i can only hear it if my ear is right on the speaker (volume at max).
i know the screen resolution but what else? is it worth the extra over a 300?
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i know the screen resolution but what else? is it worth the extra over a 300?
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I believe mainly is the screen resolution and slower cpu (1.2ghz), but I heard that the tf300 is running pretty smooth with the latest firmware.
well the tf700 has faster cpu but comes out a wash because takes more cpu power for higher resolution so im wondering if i should get 300 or 700
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well the tf700 has faster cpu but comes out a wash because takes more cpu power for higher resolution so im wondering if i should get 300 or 700
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Well, if you're not into unlocking (void warranty) and custom rom etc... then the tf300 is a better choice. You only will be happy if you mod your tf700.
trust me whichever i get will get unlocked and pimped and whored out so with that in mind which? the 700?
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trust me whichever i get will get unlocked and pimped and whored out so with that in mind which? the 700?
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aha, now you're talking, 700 of course. At this time, the tf700 is very hard to beat by any tablets.
so the 700 is realy fast with a nice custom rom?
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so the 700 is realy fast with a nice custom rom?
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Fast? if not it's the fastest tablet, I just had a shoot out with my cousin's ipad 3 and ....I took home the trophy!! (movie 1080p crashed twice on the ipad.)
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Fast? if not it's the fastest tablet, I just had a shoot out with my cousin's ipad 3 and ....I took home the trophy!! (movie 1080p crashed twice on the ipad.)
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LMAO, overall build quality etc you happy?
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LMAO, overall build quality etc you happy?
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I believe that If you got a "good" piece like I did, then the quality is very good, but some got a "bad piece" then they probably very unhappy about this. I brought my device since the first day of release and I have no issue (hardware or software). When I first brought this device, I almost threw it out the window, now It's modded and I'm very happy with it . The latest Asus kernel has made couple good improvements. The tablet is much smoother. Overall, yes I'm very happy with its performance and greatly appreciated the high res screen. I strongly believed that, this thing is just going to get better and better over time.
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I believe that If you got a "good" piece like I did, then the quality is very good, but some got a "bad piece" then they probably very unhappy about this. I brought my device since the first day of release and I have no issue (hardware or software). When I first brought this device, I almost threw it out the window, now It's modded and I'm very happy with it . The latest Asus kernel has made couple good improvements. The tablet is much smoother. Overall, yes I'm very happy with its performance and greatly appreciated the high res screen. I strongly believed that, this thing is just going to get better and better over time.
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EXACTLY my feelings!
Also: Have you ever looked at the screens side by side? See if you can do that at BestBuy or somewhere else. I guarantee you, that will make the decision MUCH easier.
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I have both a TF300LT and a TF700T. The TF700T has been unlocked and is running CleanROM Inheritance. TF300T is only rooted.
Both are decent, but each has its share of issues - on the TF700, Nova drops a bunch of frames when opening the 5 screen overview. (Mostly all issues stemming from the high res display.)
If I were starting over, I'd try a nex 10 before making my decision.
E: TF700 display is gorgeous compared to the TF300.
I am still not 100% satisfied w/ my TF700, but I may need to do the data2sd mod. iPad3-4 is just smoother overall everything u do on it. I ain't gonna lie, but I still like my TF700 cuz I don't really like to buy into the whole Apple ecosystem. I already pay for android apps, so paid apps work across my phone + tablet. No point for me repurchasing for an apple device. I will say, the TF300 is just less headache to have it running top notch.
http://www.jinx.com/content/prod/456p_4c_2b.jpg my opinion of Apple
TF700 has noticeably better screen resolution, but it's stock rom is an absolute **** and you will have to flash it and install custom rom, which will void your guarantee.
In comparisson TF300 works smooth as hell on stock rom.
Anyway, I'd personally wait for win8 asus and get that one.
Android can and probably will get up your nerves pretty often, provided you' re used to using windows as your OS so I'd really consider going for win8 tablet.