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I am an unfortunate owner of an HTC sensation. This phone has many frustrating issues but there is one that i find unacceptable. According to HTC all Sensations when playing specific videos and having the brightness set to maximum will have it significantly changed. To my observation that is almost 50%. Users report similar behaviour in the galery and youtube applications.
In my country a device is considered faulty when (1) its not suitable to be used as intended, (2) not suitable to be used as similar products in the market or (3) it does not have the performance the customer expects.
(1) My phone is intended to be used as a multimedia phone hence the big screen and resolution. When the exterior light is more than enough it is made very dificult to me to watch videos because the device arbitrarily lowers the brightness. (2) No other products have similar behaviour in the market to my knowledge and of course (3) i do not expect my phone to reduce the brightness when i set it to be stable to a specific brightness.
HTC says theres nothing they can do. They also told be this issue is caused because of the light sensor. I dont understand why the ligh sensor has anything to do with it since it is only supposed to work when the brighness is set to automatic.
My question is, Really HTC? You think you can sell me an expensive device and have that poor a performance? And your answer is since every device has this issue it is not a problem? I dont know if theres anything we can do so i would like your opinions too.
solution -> quickpic as gallery and mx video player as default video player
is that really hard?
shiningarmor said:
solution -> quickpic as gallery and mx video player as default video player
is that really hard?
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I was expecting that answer. It doesnt work. And im not willing to root my phone either.
I know your not willing to root your device but I must give you my HONEST opinion. Rooting has made my device 150% better! The choices of Roms are spectacular, they have a rom to fit most everyone's taste. The Roms give the NEWEST softwares , example I'm ruining sence 4 with Android 4.0.3, the mods are Amazing, changing so many little things to make your device look unique! I have to say the ROMS run much better than the stock os. No random rebooting, smooth, fast ! You can change your kernels too for a over all better experience! Rooting has brought my device to life! So do I have any complaints, nope, I'm loveing my S off rooted device with custom Rom! If I don't like something, I just change it. That's the beauty of a rooted device. Your not stuck with something you don't like. I'm sorry your experience is poor with the sensation. I must say I have just the opposite. My experience is a rich wonderful experience and we have the same device, except I'm rooted. So if you want to change your experience then root, if not, well, it's up to you....good luck in what ever you choose.
But I think if you rooted you would have a better experience all together. But if that's not a option maybe find a different device to better suit your needs. That's the only other alternative I can think of. Everyone is different and we all have different opinions. I wish you the best of luck in what ever you decide. This is just my opinion and my experience. We are all different. Perhaps the sensation just isn't for you!
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I doubt there is anything we can do, as the last person suggested....root the phone and change what you want.....I root all of mine and am extremely happy because I make it my phone not just your average Sensation....if not just see if you can get a different phone if you just bought this one and its faulty do what they call a warranty exchange that's how I ended up with a sensation
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I just wanted to mention, if you get any ICS based ROM's, you can disable auto brightness and set to full brightness manually (you only ever need this is outside in direct sunlight). My device is always on the lowest brightness or half.
Example of quick and easy changing from notification pull down.
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The dissapointing thing about the sensation is that you HAVE to root to get an experience you would expect in stock.
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Once you go root you never go back
The first time you ever root your device and experience for yourself all the things you can do you can see that you have a completly different device.
Also with any device no matter what company, it is always limited. so whichever phone you have you will end up rooting
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Brightness
It's weird there are only very few who mentioned brightness problem when playing youtube or gallery. I had the same issue after upgrading to Android Revolution HD custom ROM (ICS). With Android 2.3.4 stock I did not experienced this. I also do not like REPETITIVE sound notification for the SAME EMAIL each time it does sync.. After another shot - installing Android Revolution HD - it seems the brightness problem is gone.
HTC is going to release single core phones:
HTC Desire VT
HTC Desire VC
HTC Desire V
HTC Desire C
and it comes with ICS and Sense 4. Now this is truly HTC undervaluing earlier devices. Time to hit them harder...
webstar1 said:
The dissapointing thing about the sensation is that you HAVE to root to get an experience you would expect in stock.
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The dissapointing thing about ANY smartphone is that you HAVE to root to get an experience you would expect in stock.
Anyway, I love to root my devices and install on them what I really want, and not just using what manufacturers think it's better for me.
To be honest any and every smartphone has to be tweaked by consumer to get the experience best suited by the customer.
iPhone has to have a jailbreak to get satisfaction for alot of people, and I don't know about windows phone and what they do with that os.
In my opinion if you choose not to fix your own problem then how can you blame the company who made the phone?
when you have options in front of you and dont like your options why not buy a different phone because o know many of us with a rooted sensation have a great experience my phone is fast I have noo problems watching video I use the app mobo player and it works great everywhere.
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I completely agree with above statement! It's really up to you! You have the opportunity to make a change and customize to your liking however you choose not to do this. The Sensation has a wonderful ability to be totally customized to the consumers liking all the way from firmware to operating system, down to kernels and mods! You can ťweak the device however you like! In my opinion, that's a great device. If you have the know how or can read a guide the possiabilitys are endless! So actually your not looking at the ability of the device. Your looking at the surface. Dig deeper and you will develop a new respect for this device, or at least you should because it's capability is great ! Also once it's customized to your liking you will find there's nothing out there like it, It's truly yours. I'm completely happy with my customized device. If you don't take the time to customize and your unhappy, whos fault is that? It's your own. The tools are available to you to change your experience. It's really all up to YOU!
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nangu said:
The dissapointing thing about ANY smartphone is that you HAVE to root to get an experience you would expect in stock.
Anyway, I love to root my devices and install on them what I really want, and not just using what manufacturers think it's better for me.
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Except for th iPhone. It works just like they say it works...
I don't blame HTC, I blame tmobile for making me sign a two year and not offering the iPhone.
Just wait for the iPhone 5 to release...See ya Htc and tmobile!
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I completely agree with above statement! It's really up to you! You have the opportunity to make a change and customize to your liking however you choose not to do this. The Sensation has a wonderful ability to be totally customized to the consumers liking all the way from firmware to operating system, down to kernels and mods! You can ťweak the device however you like! In my opinion, that's a great device. If you have the know how or can read a guide the possiabilitys are endless! So actually your not looking at the ability of the device. Your looking at the surface. Dig deeper and you will develop a new respect for this device, or at least you should because it's capability is great ! Also once it's customized to your liking you will find there's nothing out there like it, It's truly yours. I'm completely happy with my customized device. If you don't take the time to customize and your unhappy, whos fault is that? It's your own. The tools are available to you to change your experience. It's really all up to YOU!
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I dont disagree with what you said. But rooting is unofficial and voids warranty. Plus most people dont have the knowledge on how to root or want to take the risk to root. What about those people who are stuck with ICS? You cant really blame them.
Its a constant war out there to make our phones better every day. With Custom ROM's bringing the best of all worlds onto our phones. It'll probably take HTC/Samsung/etc ages to do things what the devs are doing. Thanks to them.
We pay for the hardware and its up to u to put whatever software - kernel/rom/mods u want on that hardware. This is the main reason u go for Android
Read through the posts properly, and then the probability of failed/bricked devices is less and u can be really happy with ur device's performance/usablilty/looks etc
If u have any doubts people in this forum are ready to help(once u have searched in the forum and have not found anything or u are confused about something)
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I dont disagree with what you said. But rooting is unofficial and voids warranty. Plus most people dont have the knowledge on how to root or want to take the risk to root. What about those people who are stuck with ICS? You cant really blame them.
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You can unroot your phone there is still a chance that they will see that have unlocked boot before but they might not
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mrg02d said:
Except for th iPhone. It works just like they say it works...
I don't blame HTC, I blame tmobile for making me sign a two year and not offering the iPhone.
Just wait for the iPhone 5 to release...See ya Htc and tmobile!
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If iPhone is so incredible to fullfill anyone expectations out of the box, then why people jailbreak it?
Sensation was a great phone out of the box to me, but if I can make it better by rooting, why not?
I think you not only miss your device selection, you missed your operator too
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I dont disagree with what you said. But rooting is unofficial and voids warranty. Plus most people dont have the knowledge on how to root or want to take the risk to root. What about those people who are stuck with ICS? You cant really blame them.
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Yes rooting is unofficial however in my opnion the custom roms, although unofficial are FAR MORE STABLE than the official stock roms! They are built with the user experience in mind much more so than the stock Rom.as for rooting, yes I believe it must be something that's interesting to the person and they have to desire to do it. If the desire is not there than it probably should not be attempted.
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To be honest cm9 is coming so ill go to that
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Hey all,
I am not a modder. I prefer my device to be stock as much as possible - I know, not very XDA-like. I am not averse to doing it if necessary.
TMo gave me the MT4G Slide as a replacement device for the MT4G which was having issues. It seems that neither phones are getting an ICS/JB update (as HTC hasn't mentioned it on their list of phones officially getting the update).
I'm curious as to any hardware constraints that the Doubleshot may have to have lead to this decision. Some folks have mentioned the amt. of storage being the issue, but seeing as how these devices contain a 4GB chip and HTC has been quoted saying that this unusable space is due to GB and Sense, is this reason validated? Would ICS+Sense be that much more huge vs. GB+Sense as to not be able to fit in that ~2.5GB of space?
This has probably been a very badly beaten dead horse, but I did a search and couldn't really find anything referenced here on XDA. I see there's some moment on CM9 for the phone...but ultimately I want to know why HTC can't put ICS/JB on the device. It's an important factor in deciding to either stay loyal to the brand or move on to something different. I realize that it's an OEM (TMo branded phone) and that it may be up to TMobile to get it updated, which I'm assuming they would under their "no phone left behind" promise...maybe I assume incorrectly? TMobile hasn't said a thing on the matter.
I may go ahead and put CM9 on it once it's gone 100% stable.
Thanks.
It's not that they CAN'T upgrade to ICS/JB. They WON'T, for just about any reason you can make up. T-Mobile or HTC have not given any official word as to why not, so it could be due to anything.
Possible reasons include:
-Custom MyTouch skin
-T-Mobile holding the update back
-Our phone is essentially a commercial flop. Probably why they're not supporting it. Consequently, we're not a big enough community to make a difference anyway.
-They simply want you to buy another phone.
There is no physical reason they won't do it. Our phone has nearly the same internals as the Sensation 4G. It's still a high spec phone and can handle anything. Hardware is not the problem here. It's the higher ups.
I would like to add that if you don't want to wait, TBalden's Virtuious Inquisition has always been a rock solid ICS ROM for me. NEVER a hiccup even though there have been a few complain of an issue or two. But it will most likely always be that way with any ROM.....even the official releases.
There are a couple of ICSs by UndeadK9 on Rootz Wiki too that are slick. Then there is MikMiui ICS that is soooo close it's scary! KWIM? You HAVE choices right now.
ICS natively doesn't support Hardware Keyboards. That's why our device is under review by HTC/T-Mobile. HTC is willing to push an update, but T-Mobile has it on hold. So it's T-Mobiles fault, not HTC. How do I know this? Worked places, and have numbers.
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Wow good topic I was just about to ask this because Ive been thinking about this for days now. Seeing the Galaxy 3 makes me crave that OS its really nice. I cant believe this phone flopped in the market its heaps good I love it, this with the droid look really solid with a slide out qwerty. So iffffff TMobile is holding out on the update is it possible that they will release it? or times gone by no chance of this? Im like the TC, Ive never modded a phone and dont know how to do it, but iffffffff I have to put ICS mod what is the best and closest to the real thing and is solid and does not have many bugs etc.? Like if this was your phone you are selling to the world which mod would you add to it? If TMob dont release one I might try attempting my first mod and if anyone can help me out with helpful links or pics as a walkthrough so I dont brick it much appreciated
As someone who spent a good deal of time with sense 4 I can say the only thing I miss from the mysense is the integrated visual voicemail. The positive changes out weighed the loss of the integrated vvm.
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Archangel, if you do decide you want to root your device this is a fairly new but extremely comprehensive, simple & straightforward guide that will give you every bit of info you need to do that. Should you run into a problem, just come back with some specific questions about that parts you don't understand and "we'll git 'er done".
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1801106
If I were to recommend an ICS ROM for you to cut your teeth on it would be TBalden's Virtuous Inquisition. http://www.virtuousrom.com/p/inquisition.html This one will let you see what you've been missing on your DS. Good Luck and have a BALL! :good:
If you're looking for a pared down, screaming fast & smooth version of your stock ROM.....MikTouch & BulletProof are VERY tough to beat. (both in the developers section) Just remember that any questions not directly related to a ROM function or issue should always go here in General.
What is the difference between the roms? Like compared to the Galaxy 3 does it have the slick icons that slide and glide easy from screen to screen? and I think its called the live wallpaper when you swipe left or right the image hovers? also kinda like that fish wallpaper they have that has the trickle effect is neat, I noticed the apps menus are different to the Mytouch and smoother. I dont know what you mean by fast, do some of the roms make the OS lag and jaggy?
Personally, I think of fast as responsive.....smooth as changing functions & desktops, etc. But to each their own in descriptive terms, I guess. As far as differences go, I'm not familiar with the Galaxy but each ROM really has a personality of it's own except maybe in comparing ports from other devices.
THAT'S why you will probably become like the rest of us......Flashaholics! LOL
Oh Yeah....then you have THEMES! :laugh:
hi i am new on your among and i'm user of htc one x at&t v2.20.i have less information about costum and stock roms.i was surfing on forum and i saw this stock rom.http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1838135&page=11
and i'm thinking install this my phone but i didn't find how can i setup.there should unlock bootloader for costum roms.is the same thing
must be for install stock rom.and what do you think about stock roms.should i prefer costum rom?
You can prefer whatever you personally like. Unfortunately you are currently stuck with what you've got until 2.20 is rooted and bl unlocked so you can flash away and find the rom that suits your needs best.
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Yea bro... Do a lot of research, BC it'll be a while before you can root and unlock :thumbdown:
But to add an opinion about your question, once you flash a new rom, you'll probably stick with it for a little while. Then see something else and try it. Then you'll get that blood taste in your mouth and become a flash a holic. Lol. There are some absolutely INCREDIBLE sense roms. Viperxl, cleanrom, team nocturnal are some of the few. But then you'll get tired of sense and try an aosp ROM and you'll love that. Its a weird process bro. I feel like I flash every 2-3 weeks, bouncing from jellybean to sense. Both are awesome.
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Honestly man, I am a serious flashaholic, and although in no way am I implying that stock is better in any fashion I will say that stock 2.20 has been a pleasure to be on. So much so that I have set aside ALL of my other toys and been using my One X full time. granted I am using Apex launcher only because it achieves a basic look I am used to, but that is it. I am actually really enjoying this, if nothing else EVERYTHING works. My battery hasnt been this good on any rom or any of my previous devices. I had 5 hours 48 minutes screen on time last night, sure I only talked on my phone about 2 minutes, and kept my screen brightness on 10%, but for me, that is still the most insane number I have EVER been able to put up and the phone was on 18% when I plugged it in.
I dont know if this phone will ever get rooted but it is not stopping me from using it, I have found cool apps that I would have never known even existed like Notification Toggle, I was getting pretty annoyed having to use a power control widget for my data and wifi, I NEED it to be in the dropdown, the app remedied that situation AND I can make it whatever color I want....HUGE bonus to me. I love Android, and like I said, it is not a replacement for roms, but its a fine substitution for now. The phone performs sweet so its not like I would need to overclock, undervolting, I have never liked the amount of BS you have to wade through to get it perfect, and battery has been fine for me anyway.
Sure a nice CLEAN CM rom, or even stripped stock, is nice but I am just going to enjoy using this thing for a while. Being a Sammy fanboy forever has given me the ability to flash a thousand roms, and although there is some things to be missed, I have no regrets about this phone. I personally dont have devices long enough to think like it is going to kill me to use it for a while. It looks beautiful, not a lot of people have them, so everywhere I go people are asking what phone I have....which....yeah, I think is cool, and everyone likes it.
Last, for me personally the phone has caused me to start peering into areas I have not even thought about in a long time, I have spent countless hours reading thread after thread for possible ways we can get this bootloader unlocked or even root this puppy. It has actually been nice spending time doing, what I joined XDA to learn about doing .
As mentioned, if you bought the phone with 2.20 (or OTA'ed to 2.20 before unlocking the bootloader or at least SuperCID) than you can't flash anything. You are stuck to official AT&T firmware.
The 2.29 stock firmware you linked is not much different from 2.20 AT&T stock, anyway. I think they are the same, actually, aside from AT&T's bloatware.
Coming from an Aria with CM7, the biggest things I want to fix on my One X with 2.20 is to ditch the bloat. This phone rocks very nicely even on the stock ROM, but it's like a car with enough power to do 200 mph limited to 155.
If there is any way a relative noob like myself can help with getting 2.20 rooted, I'm in, but I wouldn't know where to start at this point.
My return to CM10 sparked the following open letter to HTC, which I opted to post on The Verge, since I know at least a couple people at HTC watch the Verge Mobile Show.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/19/3665826/a-short-open-letter-to-anyone-at-htc
I agree with everything but the sense part it's improved lots but has loads of room for improvements
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Unfortunately they don't give two sh*ts..
But I 100000% agree with your letter
I actually dont mind running Sense. When I had my HTC EVO I seemed to have more problems or had to always be flashing a newer release of a Rom when I was on AOSP. I know its not CM 10 but its still stock Andriod and some of them were builds off of CM. Either way it would awesome to be able to use some of HTC's widgets as apps and be able to run a Stock Android as the OS, that would be sick.
Question though on CM10 does the dialer work like Sense's dialer where, when making a call you can type the name of the contact and it will bring up their number. (ex if you chose P it would bring up all of your contacts with a p in their name). Sad but that is what has always been the one of the factors that pushes me back to sense.
Better to have the option of installing both.
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I actually dont mind running Sense. When I had my HTC EVO I seemed to have more problems or had to always be flashing a newer release of a Rom when I was on AOSP. I know its not CM 10 but its still stock Andriod and some of them were builds off of CM. Either way it would awesome to be able to use some of HTC's widgets as apps and be able to run a Stock Android as the OS, that would be sick.
Question though on CM10 does the dialer work like Sense's dialer where, when making a call you can type the name of the contact and it will bring up their number. (ex if you chose P it would bring up all of your contacts with a p in their name). Sad but that is what has always been the one of the factors that pushes me back to sense.
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Yes you are able to do that in CM10 as well.
The main reason I stay on sense is cause aosp ROMs look boring
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adolfo778 said:
Better to have the option of installing both.
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Yes you are able to do that in CM10 as well.
The main reason I stay on sense is cause aosp ROMs look boring
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We need some JB Sense.. Hopefully it's smooth like aosp
I actually love sense...I would probably be with Sammy right now if HTC didn't have sense.... I wouldn't mind if they gave you an aroma like option when you first turned on the phone to go stock or sense that'd be brilliant and probably sell them much more to the aosp loving people
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I actually love sense...I would probably be with Sammy right now if HTC didn't have sense.... I wouldn't mind if they gave you an aroma like option when you first turned on the phone to go stock or sense that'd be brilliant and probably sell them much more to the aosp loving people
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Yeah, I totally realize some people love Sense, and HTC has put way too much effort into Sense to just throw the whole thing out - but there's no reason that most of these things couldn't just be optional downloads.
Seems like it'd be a win/win for everyone - people who love Stock could have Stock, people who love Sense could have Sense, and HTC could provide OS updates directly from Google. They could even update their own Sense components independent of OTA downloads, meaning we could get an updated Camera app without having to get a whole new OTA, for example.
I think the reason that Sense apps and widgets are not deployed as separate downloads is pretty simple: they want to provide a user experience that appeals to the masses, and provides features that (they think) most people would find useful or cool, right out of the box.
Once you relegate those features to separate downloads, many people would probably never know those features even existed, or not bother to download them.
Not saying you are in any way wrong. But I also think I see HTC's viewpoint as well.
You also bring up an interesting point, that HTC would be able to deploy updates or fixes to the components without deploying a whole new firmware.
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I think the reason that Sense apps and widgets are not deployed as separate downloads is pretty simple: they want to provide a user experience that appeals to the masses, and provides features that (they think) most people would find useful or cool, right out of the box.
Once you relegate those features to separate downloads, many people would probably never know those features even existed, or not bother to download them.
Not saying you are in any way wrong. But I also think I see HTC's viewpoint as well.
You also bring up an interesting point, that HTC would be able to deploy updates or fixes to the components without deploying a whole new firmware.
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This is true, though I touched on this in my post - HTC could easily have these features installed by default, but allow for the knowledgeable user to uninstall them. My problem right now is that you can't get any Sense features (some of which are quite good) without the entire bloated Sense OS that comes with it.
That's such an awesome letter thank you do very much.
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I agree with your letter entirely. I've never owned and HTC product before I bought the One X. Why? Just because of Sense. To me it's unneeded bloat just like carriers put on their phones. I root and mod anyway but that's not the point. The point is that HTC and other manufacturers feel the need to shove their skins down people's throats without a choice. This imo is a complete contradiction to the very premise of Android, to be open and free.
Even though I do root and mod every phone I buy, I won't be buying another HTC device in the near future. I won't say never, but it would have to be something that is one heck of a better phone than anything out there. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my One X and I am happy with it, but my hesitation to buy from the start was Sense and it always will be.
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I agree with your letter entirely. I've never owned and HTC product before I bought the One X. Why? Just because of Sense. To me it's unneeded bloat just like carriers put on their phones. I root and mod anyway but that's not the point. The point is that HTC and other manufacturers feel the need to shove their skins down people's throats without a choice. This imo is a complete contradiction to the very premise of Android, to be open and free.
Even though I do root and mod every phone I buy, I won't be buying another HTC device in the near future. I won't say never, but it would have to be something that is one heck of a better phone than anything out there. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my One X and I am happy with it, but my hesitation to buy from the start was Sense and it always will be.
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If you want a pure android experience you should get a nexus.I mean every one puts their skin HTC's just happens to be the heaviest...it's not like you can't slap on nova on there and HTC is getting better with releasing their kernel source so original development is doing well for the devices... But HTC just can't 'drop' sense ...like I said earlier for them to put an option when you first boot the phone to go stock android or have sense would be brilliant and than would appeal to every user...with great hardware and what type of software on their you like you can't go wrong
I was spoilt by my HTC Desire, being basically identical to the Nexus One it had multiple great AOSP roms and battery life was better as it should be on AOSP. I'm making do with Clean Rom and Nova launcher atm in part for the camera and sense has improved, also to be honest the fact CM10 has worse battery life has scared me away from even trying it. I was set to switch to the Nexus 4 but they put the wrong chip in it leaving battery life quite poor. In the end I still feel like this is the best phone on the market for me even with sense.
Anyway, to your letter I agree almost 100%, I would like to see them release like a developer AOSP rom for their devices on htcdev to flash over the standard rom for those inclined to do so. I don't see how it would be difficult for them to do, I'm no software engineer but surely all the hard work has been done with the low level stuff like drivers etc. when developing the sense rom. I have seen they will be releasing developer roms but it's unclear whether they will still be sense based.
As you say they could embrace some of these things and really carve out a niche for themselves. I still think they make the best phones.
I mean, cell phone is not only for geek like us. Recently I bought an One S for my day, who is really in love with that system. But yes it indeed make upgrading much slower...
The most important thing is I love their design and hardware, and I really hope they can have some longer sight and survive recent crisis.
Not looking for a Who's Better war here. Just wondering if getting a custom ROM onto an HTC phone is really as hard as some Samsung people make it sound.
Getting an upgrade in mid-January, trying to survive by my stupid ass Samsung Infuse 4g until then, which is gradually falling apart. I was looking into either the Note II or HTC One X+. I like the unibodyness of the 1X because I have a habit of dropping everything I pick up, but I like removable battery, microSD, and SAMOLED+ screen of the Note II.
It's kind of down to will the process of getting and changing ROMs on an HTC piss me off even more than Samsung(I'd have to use odin to return to stock every other time I flashed a ROM because it would mess something up)?
Yes
Once you are rooted and have an unlocked bootloader flashing roms is pretty simple on the one x. Im a noob and haven't had issues flashing different roms.
You wouldn't have to use Odin every other time. Samsung is pretty simple.
After having an HTC, I wouldn't say it was really all that much trouble. The only thing is s-off or not making the difference. IIRC, it made kernel flashing a pain not having s-off at the beginning.
Neither of them is a bad choice IMHO if you are a flashaholic.
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If it was 2 years ago I woukd say HTC all the way but right now samsung
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Well with the one x + since HTC only let's you unlock the bl and that program doesn't allow you to install custom kernels.... So on the one x+ you'd have to fast boot flash the boot IMG every time you flash a Rom ... Until s-off that's how it wil be on most new HTC devices
There are a few extra steps to unlock the bootloader on HTC devices. Plus if you are on AT&T, you currently have to temp root and get SuperCID in order to unlock the bootloader.
And as also mentioned on the 1.14 hboot (which comes with the newest 2.20 AT&T firmware) you have to flash boot.img separately using fastboot.
But its my personal belief that anyone that wants to flash custom ROMs on phones should have some level of knowledge and skill in order to do so, or they shouldn't be messing with such things to begin with. None of these things are that hard if you do a bit of research beforehand, and follow instructions properly. Some people seem to make things out as harder than they really are.
Bottom line: if you really want a custom ROM on either brand phone, its really not difficult, and you shouldn't let a couple extra steps here and there deter you.
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Not looking for a Who's Better war here. Just wondering if getting a custom ROM onto an HTC phone is really as hard as some Samsung people make it sound.
Getting an upgrade in mid-January, trying to survive by my stupid ass Samsung Infuse 4g until then, which is gradually falling apart. I was looking into either the Note II or HTC One X+. I like the unibodyness of the 1X because I have a habit of dropping everything I pick up, but I like removable battery, microSD, and SAMOLED+ screen of the Note II.
It's kind of down to will the process of getting and changing ROMs on an HTC piss me off even more than Samsung(I'd have to use odin to return to stock every other time I flashed a ROM because it would mess something up)?
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I have both the HOX (Not the HOX+) and the Note 2. I do have to admit that rooting the N2 with Odin was super easy. Having said that, I will have to echo what redpoint said before. If anyone has any business looking to root, flash or modify their phone in any way, they should put the effort into using ADB, the Android SDK and potentially HTCDev (if on a HTC device). IMO, dumbing things down too much results in way too many bricks and leads to "how do I unbrick my phone" or "I flashed a Vzn ROM on a AT&T phone and now I'm stuck" threads.
In terms of specs, my HOX beats the N2 in almost all day-to-day aspects. Screen is sharper and more true to colour, camera sensor on the N2 makes things look washed out and yellow; whereas the sensor on the HOX is more true to what you would see with your own eyes. Sure the battery and SD card are a bonus, and trust me, I wish the HOX had those, but we have OTG now and it effectively boosts the capacity of the phone. Touchwiz has gotten better but Sense just looks more refined, especially with Sense 4 and above, not as laggy as Sense 3.5 and below and doesn't take as much resources.
So really, if you want to learn a thing or two about the flashing and modding community, take the HOX+ as it will force you to learn and make you a better person on XDA. If you just want a phone that makes it easy to flash things, take the N2.
I'll agree with the comments above. You need to know/learn certain things to root and rom the One X, but those are things you really need to know anyway.
Personally, I wish there were fewer "one-click" and "all-in-one" toolkits floating around because they make it much easier for people to get in over their heads.
One-click or manual, you should never be doing anything to your phone unless you understand what you're changing and how to undo it if necessary. There are few things that annoy me more than "How do I go back to stock?" threads. If you don't know that when you start you shouldn't be rooting.
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Personally, I wish there were fewer "one-click" and "all-in-one" toolkits floating around because they make it much easier for people to get in over their heads.
One-click or manual, you should never be doing anything to your phone unless you understand what you're changing and how to undo it if necessary.
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Very much agree. The OP isn't asking for any one-click solutions in particular. But far too many times, I've seen people on here begging for one-click solutions, instructional videos, etc. when the means already exist and are not at all difficult. Seeking such things usually indicates a lack of desire to research and do any actual learning. One clicks are convenient. But if you absolutely need them, you probably shouldn't be rooting or flashing to begin with.
Athrun88 said:
I have both the HOX (Not the HOX+) and the Note 2. I do have to admit that rooting the N2 with Odin was super easy. Having said that, I will have to echo what redpoint said before. If anyone has any business looking to root, flash or modify their phone in any way, they should put the effort into using ADB, the Android SDK and potentially HTCDev (if on a HTC device). IMO, dumbing things down too much results in way too many bricks and leads to "how do I unbrick my phone" or "I flashed a Vzn ROM on a AT&T phone and now I'm stuck" threads.
In terms of specs, my HOX beats the N2 in almost all day-to-day aspects. Screen is sharper and more true to colour, camera sensor on the N2 makes things look washed out and yellow; whereas the sensor on the HOX is more true to what you would see with your own eyes. Sure the battery and SD card are a bonus, and trust me, I wish the HOX had those, but we have OTG now and it effectively boosts the capacity of the phone. Touchwiz has gotten better but Sense just looks more refined, especially with Sense 4 and above, not as laggy as Sense 3.5 and below and doesn't take as much resources.
So really, if you want to learn a thing or two about the flashing and modding community, take the HOX+ as it will force you to learn and make you a better person on XDA. If you just want a phone that makes it easy to flash things, take the N2.
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I had to do a **** ton to get my Kindle Fire rooted. I had to download the android SDK, make a windows XP virtual machine, type out hundreds of things into a command prompt, mostly because it didn't work the first 11 times. Then I had to download more stuff and run more commands to get the FFF kernel on it (to keep it from killing itself). Is it going to be harder than that? (also had to do that to my infuse when I accidentally put unrooted GB on it, since oneclick doesn't work for GB sometimes)
Also a couple years ago my Gtablet wasn't being very nice. I figured it out, almost bricked it, and managed to return it to stock well enough that they accepted a return when the charging port farted out.
How long does it usually take to get/make/whatever S-Off?
TheNetwork said:
I had to do a **** ton to get my Kindle Fire rooted. I had to download the android SDK, make a windows XP virtual machine, type out hundreds of things into a command prompt, mostly because it didn't work the first 11 times. Then I had to download more stuff and run more commands to get the FFF kernel on it (to keep it from killing itself). Is it going to be harder than that? (also had to do that to my infuse when I accidentally put unrooted GB on it, since oneclick doesn't work for GB sometimes)
Also a couple years ago my Gtablet wasn't being very nice. I figured it out, almost bricked it, and managed to return it to stock well enough that they accepted a return when the charging port farted out.
How long does it usually take to get/make/whatever S-Off?
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I don't remember having so much issue with my fire. S-off depends on quite a bit. Some phones have only taken a few weeks, but the rezound took months along with vivid and raider. Hboot updates can affect this as well if htc discovers holes first. It's a toss up.
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Sooo Note II?
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Sooo Note II?
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Play with the phones stock. See what floats your boat. I went with s3 instead of either Note 2 or One x+. Just the right size and screen is well enough along with battery. Sense is heavier than touchwiz. Keep that in mind when thinking skin features if you stay with stock based ROMs. AOSP was my thing coming from Nexus.
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Play with the phones stock. See what floats your boat. I went with s3 instead of either Note 2 or One x+. Just the right size and screen is well enough along with battery. Sense is heavier than touchwiz. Keep that in mind when thinking skin features if you stay with stock based ROMs. AOSP was my thing coming from Nexus.
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How am I supposed to play with them stock? No one I know has either, and the AT&T store isn't going to take out 2 brand new phones and give them to me to play with.
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How am I supposed to play with them stock? No one I know has either, and the AT&T store isn't going to take out 2 brand new phones and give them to me to play with.
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Most att stores have phones set up to play with as well as bestbuy.
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How am I supposed to play with them stock? No one I know has either, and the AT&T store isn't going to take out 2 brand new phones and give them to me to play with.
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Actually, all AT&T stores should have sample phones to play with. Otherwise, go to another store or Best Buy or Wal-Mart to get an idea.
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Actually, all AT&T stores should have sample phones to play with. Otherwise, go to another store or Best Buy or Wal-Mart to get an idea.
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And the reps all have AT&T phones as well, odds are they have different ones you can look at
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Went to the att store. No matter how many times I see the note ii it feels big as f**k. They both seem pretty nice to me. Tried an siii just cuz and it was noticeably choppier with half the cpu. The note ii might have been a very tiny bit laggier but that's just tw.
Both good...
Might go with the one x+ just because of 64gb and better build quality slightly.
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HTC makes better hardware with useful features. Samsung builds device with features that make you say WOW, but many aren't that useful.