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Okay, I used to love this phone. I got it back in Feb when it was relatively new to where I live and the first thing I did was root and flash it with CM. This gave me a serious case of ORD and I couldn't stop trying out new ROMs on my phone. It was amazing! And fun! And everything was quick. Couple months down the line, I lost my phone and quickly replaced it with another Nexus S. More flashing ensued.
So, now 8 months down the line, I find myself getting a little bored with the constant flashing and I've been looking for something that will be stable. Now, here's the problem, after the first flash of a ROM everything seems super zippy! And it fills me with hope and brings a tear to my eye. But, then I start actually using my phone...load 25 apps...everything's fine...50 apps...going strong...75 apps, 4 days in...uh oh, OH HAI LAG!...*phone makes a trollface*...100 apps, a week in...the lag is so bad I can't do any gaming...my favourite game Muffin Knight makes me want to chuck my phone across the room; it lags so much that by the time I think I've got me a sweet muffin, I'm somehow teleported to a little rat's back. This is the case with any ROM - CM7, MIUI, several AOSP ROMs like Oxygen, CO2, SuperAOSP/OSR, NexusBread. All of them slow down after several days.
What causes this? Can it be a hardware issue? Do I have a faulty phone? Could it be I flashed too much? I never really was one for overclocking, my phone doesn't handle it well for the long haul. Is it Android's memory management that is poor? Oh, and while we're on the topic. What the heck is "True Multitasking"? Does it mean, when I'm playing a game, I get a call and when I hang up, the game has restarted? Or I load a page on my browser and when I go back it has to reload? Or pausing any game and pressing home to do something else, then coming back to it to see it has to restart? I don't think my phone can handle more than two tasks well.
Anyway, at this point, what do the XDAliens think I should do? A hard reset? Maybe format my SD card too? Or what else can I do? Any suggestions would help.
deejaylobo said:
Okay, I used to love this phone. I got it back in Feb when it was relatively new to where I live and the first thing I did was root and flash it with CM. This gave me a serious case of ORD and I couldn't stop trying out new ROMs on my phone. It was amazing! And fun! And everything was quick. Couple months down the line, I lost my phone and quickly replaced it with another Nexus S. More flashing ensued.
So, now 8 months down the line, I find myself getting a little bored with the constant flashing and I've been looking for something that will be stable. Now, here's the problem, after the first flash of a ROM everything seems super zippy! And it fills me with hope and brings a tear to my eye. But, then I start actually using my phone...load 25 apps...everything's fine...50 apps...going strong...75 apps, 4 days in...uh oh, OH HAI LAG!...*phone makes a trollface*...100 apps, a week in...the lag is so bad I can't do any gaming...my favourite game Muffin Knight makes me want to chuck my phone across the room; it lags so much that by the time I think I've got me a sweet muffin, I'm somehow teleported to a little rat's back. This is the case with any ROM - CM7, MIUI, several AOSP ROMs like Oxygen, CO2, SuperAOSP/OSR, NexusBread. All of them slow down after several days.
What causes this? Can it be a hardware issue? Do I have a faulty phone? Could it be I flashed too much? I never really was one for overclocking, my phone doesn't handle it well for the long haul. Is it Android's memory management that is poor? Oh, and while we're on the topic. What the heck is "True Multitasking"? Does it mean, when I'm playing a game, I get a call and when I hang up, the game has restarted? Or I load a page on my browser and when I go back it has to reload? Or pausing any game and pressing home to do something else, then coming back to it to see it has to restart? I don't think my phone can handle more than two tasks well.
Anyway, at this point, what do the XDAliens think I should do? A hard reset? Maybe format my SD card too? Or what else can I do? Any suggestions would help.
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wipe your dalvik and try to reboot at least once a day,
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wipe your dalvik and try to reboot at least once a day,
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Oh, I do do that! As part of my troubleshooting. But, it doesn't help much. Maybe an hour or so of seemingly lag free use. But, once I've used a bunch of apps it's back to Lagville. So yeah, no go, at least not when it come to Muffin Knight (Lol, this has become my benchmark)
EDIT: I should also mention, I've tried moving a lot of my heavy apps to SD.
technically since nexus has internal memory shouldnt be as fast as "normal" internal memory? ie internal memory and SD space? But 100 apps that is quite a bit. Shouldnt be aproblem
So, no one else experiences lags after a few days of running all their apps? Maybe once they cross the 70 apps mark. No stutters in scrolling or gaming? No one else notices Android's poor multi-tasking? Poor app load times, poor widget response times?
I'm trying to figure out if it's just my phone or whether this happens to everyone.
EDIT: Maybe I should revert back to stock and if the lags continue, I could take it in to the shop under warranty?
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So, no one else experiences lags after a few days of running all their apps? Maybe once they cross the 70 apps mark. No stutters in scrolling or gaming? No one else notices Android's poor multi-tasking? Poor app load times, poor widget response times?
I'm trying to figure out if it's just my phone or whether this happens to everyone.
EDIT: Maybe I should revert back to stock and if the lags continue, I could take it in to the shop under warranty?
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No, No and No - > 100 apps - stock rom. Everything remains smooth and has for a long time. I reboot the phone maybe twice a month and never force clear the dalvik cache.
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No, No and No - > 100 apps - stock rom. Everything remains smooth and has for a long time. I reboot the phone maybe twice a month and never force clear the dalvik cache.
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Thanks for the reply. I clear the dalvik ALL the time for flashing a new ROM or when my current one is feeling laggy. Maybe I shouldn't have. EDIT: I'm curious...Why do you not clear the Dalvik? Just because you've never had to?
Have you ever flashed other ROMs? Maybe bare AOSP ROMs like DevNull? Any issues there?
I'm thinking I should reset, reformat and return to stock...
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Thanks for the reply. I clear the dalvik ALL the time for flashing a new ROM or when my current one is feeling laggy. Maybe I shouldn't have. EDIT: I'm curious...Why do you not clear the Dalvik? Just because you've never had to?
Have you ever flashed other ROMs? Maybe bare AOSP ROMs like DevNull? Any issues there?
I'm thinking I should reset, reformat and return to stock...
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I don't see a reason to clear the Dalvik cache on a regular basis - that advice just doesn't make any sense. After you clear it, it just gets rebuilt when you reboot anyway, and just leads to a really long start up time. Unless you are installing / uninstalling a massive amount of apps and you feel the cache is far too large it just doesn't make sense. Between rom flashes, sure. But as a regular thing to help performance? That just doesn't hold water for me.
I flashed CM7 back around Feb / March but stability was an issue at that point still so I went back to stock. Since then I've never had any issues with running a rooted stock rom on the Nexus S so I never had any interest in most of the custom roms (outside of a few AOSP roms I built myself) as they all seem to introduce little bugs for the most part and I have little use for the "tweaks" and customizations included in most.
Ok, ill say it...Why the hell do you need that many apps. You can't possibly use them all. Delete the ones you don't need....
Anyways, wipe everything when you flash the rom, and don't wipe anything after that. Reboot every other day or so. That's what works for me but I have like 20 apps ..
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Igotsanevo4g said:
Ok, ill say it...Why the hell do you need that many apps. You can't possibly use them all. Delete the ones you don't need....
Anyways, wipe everything when you flash the rom, and don't wipe anything after that. Reboot every other day or so. That's what works for me but I have like 20 apps ..
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he never said he had 100 separate apps...he just said after the 100th time running an app
Igotsanevo4g said:
Ok, ill say it...Why the hell do you need that many apps. You can't possibly use them all. Delete the ones you don't need....
Anyways, wipe everything when you flash the rom, and don't wipe anything after that. Reboot every other day or so. That's what works for me but I have like 20 apps ..
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That's not very helpful. I should be able to have as many apps as I need. A certain competing platform allows this. Anyway, I do use most of my apps. Maybe not on a daily basis, but I want them around for when I need them.
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hp420 said:
he never said he had 100 separate apps...he just said after the 100th time running an app
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No, I meant 100 apps.
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krohnjw said:
I don't see a reason to clear the Dalvik cache on a regular basis - that advice just doesn't make any sense. After you clear it, it just gets rebuilt when you reboot anyway, and just leads to a really long start up time. Unless you are installing / uninstalling a massive amount of apps and you feel the cache is far too large it just doesn't make sense. Between rom flashes, sure. But as a regular thing to help performance? That just doesn't hold water for me.
I flashed CM7 back around Feb / March but stability was an issue at that point still so I went back to stock. Since then I've never had any issues with running a rooted stock rom on the Nexus S so I never had any interest in most of the custom roms (outside of a few AOSP roms I built myself) as they all seem to introduce little bugs for the most part and I have little use for the "tweaks" and customizations included in most.
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Okay, I've already started afresh with CO2. Going to see how it goes. Kind of going slow on reloading my apps. Maybe I can figure out better at what point performance starts to suffer.
If things don't work out, I will follow your lead. Thanks again!
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Sounds like your memory is simply being used up by open/running apps. I would suggest going into settings -> applications -> development ->checkmark "stop app via long press".
When you are done using an app, hold the back button down. This will close the application and free up memory.
ka24e said:
Sounds like your memory is simply being used up by open/running apps. I would suggest going into settings -> applications -> development ->checkmark "stop app via long press".
When you are done using an app, hold the back button down. This will close the application and free up memory.
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that's the sole reason I've always steered clear of stock roms. That is my absolute favorite feature of CM & variants. I always long press every time I'm done with any app to close it
ka24e said:
Sounds like your memory is simply being used up by open/running apps. I would suggest going into settings -> applications -> development ->checkmark "stop app via long press".
When you are done using an app, hold the back button down. This will close the application and free up memory.
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But, there's a general consensus lately that task killers aren't good for Android. I'm thinking force killing apps would have the same effect. Also, if I have to do that just to get a reasonable experience, where does it leave Android's claim of "True Multitasking"?
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But, there's a general consensus lately that task killers aren't good for Android. I'm thinking force killing apps would have the same effect. Also, if I have to do that just to get a reasonable experience, where does it leave Android's claim of "True Multitasking"?
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Android is a "True Multitasking" system, but also has limitation as others PC or Server.
So if you want good speed, keep your background app clearly is a easy way.
try running v6 supercharger. it should help your device cope a lot better with so many apps on your device. link here. run beta 6.3 with a balanced setting and if you want more performance at the cost of it aggressively closing superfluous apps, go aggressive. also try nitro lag nullifier and don't forget to remove the extra .pdf extension off of the end because it's a shell script (.sh)
Cache has been invented for the sole purpose of speeding up a system or service. Forget about wiping your Dalvik cache and even the regular cache has its purpose on the phone. But that point has been cleared already.
The Nexus has its limitations just like any other device. The RAM can only cope with so much apps, if you fill up your RAM, you'll get lag. It's just a point of being a little bit intelligent with your phone. Unless QC failed at Samsung and you have a faulty device, the Nexus should run really smoothly, regardless of how many apps you have installed (again, within the limitations of the internal memory). But having 50 apps open (just a plain example) will of course have its impact on the device, the same as it would on 'that competing platform'.
Reopening apps is superfast anyway so there really isn't a reason to keep too many of them open. I force close my apps all the time as well and never had it backfire on me, so I don't see how it would have a bad effect.
Of course you can always start playing around with another ROM or overclocking the phone just to get a little bit more juice from it. I'm running on 1.3Ghz at the moment and must say that it improves the general experiences and reduces lag somewhat as well.
Good luck,
Greetz
If it had 1gb ram you would be fine..m.
what are the advatages beside running titanium and the like, are the few roms better than the stock in your opinion?
thanks
fred
Would you be ok if microsoft(verizon) sells you a PC(phone) and had you locked out the administrator account... Leaving you with no choice but to use the GUEST account?
VERIZON GALAXY S 3
Fred1029 said:
what are the advatages beside running titanium and the like, are the few roms better than the stock in your opinion?
thanks
fred
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I havent seemed to have a whole lot of luck with the "aftermarket" roms. The only one thats really worked for me is the factory rooted rom you flash to get root initially. I have tried AOKP, CM10(one of which did something causing me to need a new sim card to get 4g working again, even after flashing back to factory stock and doing a factory format) and a few stock-based roms(one of which didnt seem to have solid data connections, the other would get stuck at the boot logo for 30 minutes and would never boot.)
My suggestion, if you do root, back-up your IMEI data. There is a thread on this in the development section.
I've been running Synergy and loving it. If there is nothing you want to do extra with your phone then why go to the trouble of rooting it? That said, by rooting you can do things such as install Cerberus (anti-theft software) so that if someone steals your phone they can't even uninstall it. It allows you to remove the bloat that comes with your phone as well.
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Rooting it and flashing a rather vanilla kind of stock ROM so that it has less applications that will hardly if ever be used. Check out kyanROM, that's the ROM I'm currently using and it saves me a ton of battery!
Jcbzr said:
Rooting it and flashing a rather vanilla kind of stock ROM so that it has less applications that will hardly if ever be used. Check out kyanROM, that's the ROM I'm currently using and it saves me a ton of battery!
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there is no kyanrom for verizon
VERIZON GALAXY S 3
I flashed the rt66 ROM on the first boot out of the box & I absolutely LOVE it.
I then debloated it, installed AdFree, flashed CWM & installed free wireless tether to take advantage of my unlimited data.
I made a few visual tweaks, changed the battery icon to a white digital readout to get rid of the ugly green battery that didn't match anything else, got rid of the GPS icon etc etc. I use Nova launcher (switched from Apex) mainly to get a landscape home screen option.
I absolutely LOVE my setup, it flies & I have not had one single problem yet. I have yet to have a single FC or freezeup & I couldn't be happier with it.
Before we get started, im looking for opinions more than help here, feel free.
Everyone says the choice of ROM is about personal preference & not so much performance.
From what i read its 50/50.
I run a stock ROM 4.0.3 HTC One XL (Telstra) with Sense 4.0
- unlocked
- rooted
- TWRP (clockworkmod didnt work)
I've narrowed my choices for a custom ROM down to
- MIUI
- CleanROM
- ViperXL
Im not exactly sure how to go about the backup of the stock ROM.
Coming from iOS, backing up the stock version meant simply keeping a copy of the original firmware.
I have installed
- Titanium Backup
- ROM manager
- Root explorer
Im not sure what other details are relevant, im new to android.
I want the end result to be efficient, at the moment im chewing through battery., and experiencing lag.
I want to be able set individual app permissions as at present i have processes chewing data that shouldnt be.
I want the ability to customize my UI, i change my mind every day.
I dont want bugs and i dont like it when things dont work the way they should.
Im not fussed with keeping anything of sense other than
- camera
- beats
I have found one helpful tutorial on backing up stock, but it uses clockworkmod in the example, i dont.
The others are all fairly non descript; "first back up, then flash"
I loved my jailbroken iPhone 4S and spent quite a deal of time getting to know it and customize it.
I want to do the same here but i dont want to screw it up.
The difference between the two, is that after all of my messing about, things on my iPhone worked the way i wanted them to.
Everything i have done so far on the one XL seems to come at the cost of performance.
I've held off for weeks trying to educate myself, but am growing impatient with my phones performance.
Feel free to share your opinions, and any good tutorials i might have missed.
Back up with TWRP (boot into recovery and choose backup). As for the ROM, look at the roms forums and choose the one you think fits your needs. I am running viper, very customizable and I personally have no issues. I am also running the 2.29 radio an battery has been great.
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do you have issues with performance or stability? i usually worry about the latter.
try to find the bug reports for the ROMs you're looking at. the JB ROMs are a lot less stable at this point, but it's fun to participate with development!
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bimmernut318 said:
Back up with TWRP (boot into recovery and choose backup). As for the ROM, look at the roms forums and choose the one you think fits your needs. I am running viper, very customizable and I personally have no issues. I am also running the 2.29 radio an battery has been great.
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Cheers. Pretty much what im doing.
I just dont know which one fits my needs.
Tbh alot of it is still babble at this point.
kakeeman said:
do you have issues with performance or stability? i usually worry about the latter.
try to find the bug reports for the ROMs you're looking at. the JB ROMs are a lot less stable at this point, but it's fun to participate with development!
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Stability is obviously a real concern.
But performance is equally weighted.
I dont think we should have to trade on for the other.
I been reading the bug reports, its the reason i'm still on stock.
5 - 10 years ago i'd be all into development.
Adulthood sux. I get to play with my phone for like an hour a day.
i understand that! originally i rooted and unlocked the bootloader, then flashed the safe 2.20 build that's around here somewhere. pretty basic and bug-free!
now i'm running the CNA ROM and there are some issues, but i have a little time on my hands at the moment to work around them. jellybean is cool, though!
i like ROMs that are simpler- i don't care to delve into GUI tweaks or crazy hacks. just want to get rid of the bloat and set things up the way i like.
i'm curious, though... have you had performance issues?
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kakeeman said:
- then flashed the safe 2.20 build that's around here somewhere. pretty basic and bug-free!
- now i'm running the CNA ROM and there are some issues
- i like ROMs that are simpler- i don't care to delve into GUI tweaks or crazy hacks. just want to get rid of the bloat and set things up the way i like.
- i'm curious, though... have you had performance issues?
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- 2.20 was ICS i take it?
- CNA???
- same, i want rid of bloat, and i want the freedom to set it up the way i like it.
- yeah i think i have, whether theyre any different to what the majority experience im not sure.
I unlocked, rooted, and started researching custom ROMs, until then i began customizing as much as i can;
- launcher
- lock screen
- widgets
- dock
- music player
- browser
Installed & deleted more apps than i care to think about in a process of trial and error.
When i had a setup that was almost what i want, i kept it and got rid of the rest, but;
- screen transitions are now not as smooth as stock.
- exiting apps or waking from sleep sometimes causes the whole screen to get retarded for a bit before the launcher loads everything.
- battery life is a major issue.
- data usage from apps that should be using it is also a problem.
Wobzy said:
- 2.20 was ICS i take it?
- CNA???
- Installed & deleted more apps than i care to think about in a process of trial and error
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- yeah, 2.20 is ICS. from what i gather, most JB ROMs right now still haven't got the kinks worked out of them because devs don't have HTC source code to pull from. could be wrong on that one.
- CNA = codename android. i'm using it right now. i like it and there are no dealbreaker bugs for me.
- sounds like me. i had a really old galaxy S1 that got realllllyyy slow in its old age. it's a balancing thing, i guess; some apps just have sloppy coding. i think launchers and their settings do make quite the difference in some cases, though.
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- CNA = codename android. i'm using it right now. i like it and there are no dealbreaker bugs for me.
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Sweet, taking a look now. Tidy download, about the smallest ive seen.
Yeah i can understand an old phone getting slow and laggy in its old age.
I've had the HOXL for about a month.
Hoping a clean custom and minimal messing about with additional apps will fix it now that i have an idea where im headed.
Cheers for the input.
So in the past few weeks I have downloaded a couple 'task killer' apps in an attempt to free up some RAM usage. I'm currently using (after a fresh reboot) 515mb w/ 325 mb free. After about an hour of my phone just sitting (no calls, games, texts, etc.) My RAM usage will jump up to ~750mb used w/ 90mb free. Every time I kill an app it just reboots, eating my RAM again.
What I would like to know, is even after I 'kill' all apps (appearing in Clean Master) I am still using ~600mb. What on earth is using so much RAM, and WHY does my phone use so much?
Also: DEATH TO GOOGLE BLOATWARE. GOOGLE, YOU ARE BECOMING THE INTERNET MICROSOFT AND I HOPE YOU FALL. HARD.
tl;dr: how do i prevent apps from constantly running WITHOUT uninstalling everything or doing a fresh install
Maybe try a custom kernel
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Maybe try a custom kernel
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i was unaware that the kernel was unlocked. i have a HTC Inspire with CM7 running, but the screen is busted badly. Usable, but its terrible. that thing runs better than my atrix 2, and my atrix 2 has 'much better' specs than the htc.
Run a custom ROM? Custom ROM have got debloated a lot and ram management is better IMO.. Also try greenify to kill app while u don't use it..
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Run a custom ROM? Custom ROM have got debloated a lot and ram management is better IMO.. Also try greenify to kill app while u don't use it..
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Again, as far as I am aware, the kernel is locked. The only type of rom we atrix 2 owners can get are custom skins basically. Unless I am mistaken, I can't put cyanogenmod on my atrix 2. As much as I would love to.
Owh.. We have a lot of custom..and we can use jbx kernel kexec boot.. We have cm10.12 which is the latest version I think.. Mokee , miui v5.. Check our android dev section and u'll amazed..
Edit: I think I know what u meant.. Yeah its only a port.. But at least it got better performance..
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Owh.. We have a lot of custom..and we can use jbx kernel kexec boot.. We have cm10.12 which is the latest version I think.. Mokee , miui v5.. Check our android dev section and u'll amazed..
Edit: I think I know what u meant.. Yeah its only a port.. But at least it got better performance..
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If I remember the thread correctly, the Atrix 2 bootloader is locked, and we cannot get custom kernels for our Atrix 2. Yea, theres all sorts of mods out there, but without the bootloader unlocked we can't get a custom kernel, which, unless I am mistaken, is what I truly need.
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If I remember the thread correctly, the Atrix 2 bootloader is locked, and we cannot get custom kernels for our Atrix 2. Yea, theres all sorts of mods out there, but without the bootloader unlocked we can't get a custom kernel, which, unless I am mistaken, is what I truly need.
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Custom kernel for Atrix 2:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2320784
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wasted RAM??
Folks. free RAM is wasted RAM
Task killers are the only waste.
Android is meant to have applications running in background.
Just read around. you'll find all you need.
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wasted RAM??
Folks. free RAM is wasted RAM
Task killers are the only waste.
Android is meant to have applications running in background.
Just read around. you'll find all you need.
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That's perfectly fine and dandy, but I've had to remove my battery several times JUST to reboot due to too much ram being used. Imagine trying to load, say, the settings page, and all you get is, after 20 minutes, "homepage is not responding."
2nd of all, my PC currently has 11gb of ram free + however much the paging file isn't using. I have no problem loading anything. Once I start reaching the threshold for the amount of ram I have, my pc will bluescreen and reboot. RAM is meant to be used, by all means. but when other apps are HOGGING it, it prevents OTHER apps from properly using it. I am trying to find out what is HOGGING my ram and free it up, so that other more important processes can use it.
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That's perfectly fine and dandy, but I've had to remove my battery several times JUST to reboot due to too much ram being used. Imagine trying to load, say, the settings page, and all you get is, after 20 minutes, "homepage is not responding."
2nd of all, my PC currently has 11gb of ram free + however much the paging file isn't using. I have no problem loading anything. Once I start reaching the threshold for the amount of ram I have, my pc will bluescreen and reboot. RAM is meant to be used, by all means. but when other apps are HOGGING it, it prevents OTHER apps from properly using it. I am trying to find out what is HOGGING my ram and free it up, so that other more important processes can use it.
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Damn. Thats alot of ram.
I'd say you probably have too much crap on your phone. And the fact that your obviously running stock seals the deal.
Uninstall all the crap, or install a custom Rom.
MotoMudder77 said:
Damn. Thats alot of ram.
I'd say you probably have too much crap on your phone. And the fact that your obviously running stock seals the deal.
Uninstall all the crap, or install a custom Rom.
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Yea, I've been keeping an eye on custom roms. Mostly waiting for everything to be unlocked before i attempt anything though. Super simple to get my HTC rooted and unlocked, looks like the atrix 2 is proving to be more difficult. From my understanding: Bootloader is locked, which won't allow for full kernel replacement, just emulation. Full custom rom features require a completely custom kernel, which can't be achieved until the bootloader is unlocked.
If im wrong about this, please explain it to me. I spent 6 months or so researching the do's and dont's, whys and why nots of rooting and unlocking my HTC before i even attempted it.
Also, I don't have a lot of 'crap' on my phone. 5 or 6 games which i recycle (when i dont play it for 2 weeks i delete it, unless i REALLY like it), i have the 'basic' apps (social networking). There's currently 104 apps on my phone, most of which i have never even loaded once, yet can't uninstall (google music, mobile hotspot, google messenger, music store, play movies and tv, read books, just to name a few)
From what I can SEE, the biggest culprit is google bloatware, forcing crap down my throat i have absolutely no use for. i clean my phone twice a month (removing temp files, directory cleanup from uninstalled games, etc) as well. I just want to see what ELSE is using my ram. I've killed all tasks, whats using 500mb of ram now.
To give you an idea, as i said before, I have 12gb of ram on my pc. i currently have 15 tabs in firefox open, steam running, and 2 games in the background. I'm only using 28% of my total ram, or 3.4gb. If I close out of everything, I'll only have 10% used, or 1.2gb. Translated to my phone, There is no reason I should be using 60%+ of my ram, when NOTHING is running.
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Yea, I've been keeping an eye on custom roms. Mostly waiting for everything to be unlocked before i attempt anything though. Super simple to get my HTC rooted and unlocked, looks like the atrix 2 is proving to be more difficult. From my understanding: Bootloader is locked, which won't allow for full kernel replacement, just emulation. Full custom rom features require a completely custom kernel, which can't be achieved until the bootloader is unlocked.
If im wrong about this, please explain it to me. I spent 6 months or so researching the do's and dont's, whys and why nots of rooting and unlocking my HTC before i even attempted it.
Also, I don't have a lot of 'crap' on my phone. 5 or 6 games which i recycle (when i dont play it for 2 weeks i delete it, unless i REALLY like it), i have the 'basic' apps (social networking). There's currently 104 apps on my phone, most of which i have never even loaded once, yet can't uninstall (google music, mobile hotspot, google messenger, music store, play movies and tv, read books, just to name a few)
From what I can SEE, the biggest culprit is google bloatware, forcing crap down my throat i have absolutely no use for. i clean my phone twice a month (removing temp files, directory cleanup from uninstalled games, etc) as well. I just want to see what ELSE is using my ram. I've killed all tasks, whats using 500mb of ram now.
To give you an idea, as i said before, I have 12gb of ram on my pc. i currently have 15 tabs in firefox open, steam running, and 2 games in the background. I'm only using 28% of my total ram, or 3.4gb. If I close out of everything, I'll only have 10% used, or 1.2gb. Translated to my phone, There is no reason I should be using 60%+ of my ram, when NOTHING is running.
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bootloader is not gonna get unlocked, so you can stop waiting for that.
No such thing as a "Full" custom ROM. unlocked devices can run custom kernels which is much better. We have kexec. not sure if its really emulated, but something like that. I havent read up on the details.
Your way off on who you are blaming. You dont have a google phone, you have a motorola, a very crappy one at that. The applications you listed, well I've never heard of, and are motorola junk. along with alot more that your unaware of.
You will never get your ram empty. You cant. unless you turn your phone off. applications MUST run for your phone to work. Launcher, phone, system, ect.
Cant compare a windows PC to a device. thats like windows to linux, completely different.
You looking to much into it. your issue is your running stock. Root it, and install a custom ROM.
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bootloader is not gonna get unlocked, so you can stop waiting for that.
No such thing as a "Full" custom ROM. unlocked devices can run custom kernels which is much better. We have kexec. not sure if its really emulated, but something like that. I havent read up on the details.
Your way off on who you are blaming. You dont have a google phone, you have a motorola, a very crappy one at that. The applications you listed, well I've never heard of, and are motorola junk. along with alot more that your unaware of.
You will never get your ram empty. You cant. unless you turn your phone off. applications MUST run for your phone to work. Launcher, phone, system, ect.
Cant compare a windows PC to a device. thats like windows to linux, completely different.
You looking to much into it. your issue is your running stock. Root it, and install a custom ROM.
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I'll look in to that. I don't want to empty my ram, thats a futile effort. I just want to find out what is using 500mb of my 800mb available. When I first got my phone, I was only using 250-300ish, tops. What happened between day one and day, well, now, that took another 200ish mb chunk of available ram. And if it truly is _JUST_ core system os files that are using 500mb of ram, well, then that is terrible coding. and i dont care WHAT brand of android you have, you are using a google phone, seeing as how android is owned and developed by google.
Here is a little list for you:
AT&T Smart Wifi
AT&T Navigator
Email
Emergency Alerts
GMail (Why are there 2 separate email apps? Email can pull gmail just fine)
Google Settings (NOT PHONE SETTINGS)
Google+
Google Hangouts
Google+ Messenger (Again, I don't use G+, why do I have this automatically installed)
Help Center (The manual isn't good enough I guess)
Messages (Not the text message app, some random junk that was installed with the OS, guessing AT&T)
Movies (Pretty sure this is Moto)
Music Store (Again, probably Moto)
My Music (Definitely Moto)
MyAT&T (This is stupid)
Navigation (By Google. Again, AUTOMATICALLY installed with os, along side AT&T Nav. Why do I need 2 GPS apps?)
News & Weather (I can look outside to see if its raining)
People (exact same thing as Contacts, this one is by Google)
Play Books (Google)
Play Movies and TV (Google)
Play Music (Google, and the 2nd music player)
Google Search
Social Location
Everything I just listed I have absolutely ZERO use for. Yes, I have a Motorola phone, but the software is Google. And, I reiterate, Google is the bloatware culprit.
11 Google Apps
3 or 4 AT&T Apps
3 or 4 Motorola Apps
All that being said; Yes, I will still look in to that custom rom, and I appreciate the help.
emulation or not.. its still better.. tbh unlocking the boot loader seems to be impossible,., yeah Motorola is suck.. but not people here.. they are dedicated to what ever they do..for me full rom, half rom even quarter rom or emulation kernel if thats gonna ease up ur my phone imma go for it.. maybe im not a tech savvy to begin with.. i've tried living with stock ics.. believe me its harder than it spose even im rooted and freezes unwanted app..why dont give these rom a go and see if its good..
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Again, as far as I am aware, the kernel is locked.
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Well it's not the kernel that is locked,it's the bootloader.
The only type of rom we atrix 2 owners can get are custom skins basically. Unless I am mistaken, I can't put cyanogenmod on my atrix 2. As much as I would love to.
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Lol you could not be more off.The custom ROMs we have are not just custom skins.Well not the JB custom ROMs atleast.They have been built from source(most of them)
I could agree with you regarding the ICS ROMs as almost all of them are based on stock ICS and are modified to have a better performance,UI,unlocked features etc...
And sure you can put a CM on A2.Hell you've got two CM actually,CM10,CM10.1(wait for it CM is about to get official for A2)
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If I remember the thread correctly, the Atrix 2 bootloader is locked, and we cannot get custom kernels for our Atrix 2. Yea, theres all sorts of mods out there, but without the bootloader unlocked we can't get a custom kernel, which, unless I am mistaken, is what I truly need.
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True,bootloader is locked and the bootloader does a verification which doesn't allow custom kernels.But wait that doesn't mean we don't have a cure."kexec" is the method used to bypass that hurdle of verification.It does this by taking over once the stock kernel(the one the damn bootloader looks for)loads and then begins the work of our "kexec-kernel".And it is custom Ofcourse.Read around about kexec it'll give you a better perspective.
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Yea, I've been keeping an eye on custom roms. Mostly waiting for everything to be unlocked before i attempt anything though.
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While it's true that the fruit of patience is sweet,but you know wait too much and the fruit will rot by itself.(You get the point)
IMO this device is not gonna be fully unlocked not in the foreseeable future atleast.So unless you wanna keep using the same phone no matter what era it is,I suggest moving on.
Super simple to get my HTC rooted and unlocked, looks like the atrix 2 is proving to be more difficult. From my understanding: Bootloader is locked, which won't allow for full kernel replacement, just emulation. Full custom rom features require a completely custom kernel, which can't be achieved until the bootloader is unlocked.
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Well the custom kernels we have are not just emulation they are the real deal.True there are few bugs left to be ratified but that's just some fine tuning if you ask me.
If im wrong about this, please explain it to me. I spent 6 months or so researching the do's and dont's, whys and why nots of rooting and unlocking my HTC before i even attempted it.
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Well I think I have walked you through most of the stuff.But seeing you read around for 6 months(really??) I'm gonna tell you a few routes you may take:
1.If you're so skeptical about custom ROMs, kernel etc and from what I see you just need to get rid of those bloatwares.Root your phone and remove them manually.
2.Install a ICS based ROM(Numa,supercharged etc).They are basically same as option 1 except the task has already been done by someone for you.Plus they threw in a few(actually a lot) more goodies which just make you go woooo...
3.Go to the next step of things get a taste of JB and experience the taste of custom kernel.
Of course do it on your own accord, as it's your device and your choice after all.
And do read around and ask before doing anything if you are unsure..
Do follow the instructions carefully...
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Hello. I've been looking for a solution, couldn't find anything. I tryied search function but couldn't find exactly what I need.
I'm currently using 2 brand new Infuse 4g.
I was using SGS-IV Rom but didn't like it, so I started to search for a decent battery/performance Rom, and found out about Avatar Rom v7.0.
I installed it in both cellphones. Everything was working fine, very smooth, I installed a few apps like Instagram, Facebook, small games, Dropbox, nothing very high consuming.
After an hour or so, one of the cellphone started to get very hot and reboot itself. I pulled the battery, let it get cold for a while but after using it again, would start reboot again.
Meanwhile, both cellphones are consuming a lot of battery, I mean, they don't even last 4-5 hours with normal use, while with SGS Rom, was lasting around 8-10 with the same apps.
So I would like to know if I'm missing something. I see everybody talking about how good battery life is with Avatar Rom. I don't think this has something to do with the apps installed, but I'm willing to do anything to fix this.
Thanks in advance for any help, tips or advices that anybody here can give me.
Did you dirty flash?
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