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Anyone got a suggestion on some good android phones I could look up ebay/craigslist to use as a PMP?
My budget is $100 or so, and I realize I won't get top of the line, but used is fine.
A used Optimus One on various prepaids seems to go for $40-$50, so I'm hoping for something that has a tad better spec.
Pick up a used vibrant and enjoy awesome sound quality with a voodoo sound kernel.. Can be bought for like 125 if you catch a deal.
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wonshikee said:
Anyone got a suggestion on some good android phones I could look up ebay/craigslist to use as a PMP?
My budget is $100 or so, and I realize I won't get top of the line, but used is fine.
A used Optimus One on various prepaids seems to go for $40-$50, so I'm hoping for something that has a tad better spec.
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There's a Samsung Galaxy media player...but it's a bit pricier.
Does it have to be a phone?
Why not just buy a PMP? Where's the necessity that it be Android?
If you looked hard enough, you could probably find a Philips for that price, especially if you're willing to buy used.
But my thoughts are, well, if it doesn't need phoning capabilities, you could probably get more GB for your buck.
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There's a Samsung Galaxy media player...but it's a bit pricier.
Does it have to be a phone?
Why not just buy a PMP? Where's the necessity that it be Android?
If you looked hard enough, you could probably find a Philips for that price, especially if you're willing to buy used.
But my thoughts are, well, if it doesn't need phoning capabilities, you could probably get more GB for your buck.
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You would think, but it's not true. Most MP3 players in the $50 dollar range suck.
Also the galaxy players are, as you saw - pricey. I'm looking for something cheap.
And I want it to be an android because I have a galaxy nexus, so I own paid apps that I could use on it as well.
I found a galaxy S for $65 on craigslist, seems like a pretty good deal as long the phone isn't in terrible condition.
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You would think, but it's not true. Most MP3 players in the $50 dollar range suck.
Also the galaxy players are, as you saw - pricey. I'm looking for something cheap.
And I want it to be an android because I have a galaxy nexus, so I own paid apps that I could use on it as well.
I found a galaxy S for $65 on craigslist, seems like a pretty good deal as long the phone isn't in terrible condition.
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Sounds like you could just use your Nex, but instead you'll then be carrying around a lot of extra functionality (carrying a Nexus around to be used as a phone/surfer and another Andy as a PMP), but I'm not one to judge. To each his own. If it were me, I'd buy another battery for the Nex and use the sh*t out of that! The PPI-count on that thing is sensational!!
An HTC HD2 may be just the device for you, but scoring one for a C-note will be a challange, I'd bet. Hack Android onto it, and BAAAAMMM!!
don't get htc, the audio sucks, even on beats models
(sucks in a comparative sense, not subjective)
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Sounds like you could just use your Nex, but instead you'll then be carrying around a lot of extra functionality (carrying a Nexus around to be used as a phone/surfer and another Andy as a PMP), but I'm not one to judge. To each his own. If it were me, I'd buy another battery for the Nex and use the sh*t out of that! The PPI-count on that thing is sensational!!
An HTC HD2 may be just the device for you, but scoring one for a C-note will be a challange, I'd bet. Hack Android onto it, and BAAAAMMM!!
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Yes I realize my Nexus is more than capable
I'm looking for a cheap alternative mostly because I will be abusing it more and I want to keep my expensive phone pristine.
sean is here. said:
Sounds like you could just use your Nex, but instead you'll then be carrying around a lot of extra functionality (carrying a Nexus around to be used as a phone/surfer and another Andy as a PMP), but I'm not one to judge. To each his own. If it were me, I'd buy another battery for the Nex and use the sh*t out of that! The PPI-count on that thing is sensational!!
An HTC HD2 may be just the device for you, but scoring one for a C-note will be a challange, I'd bet. Hack Android onto it, and BAAAAMMM!!
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The sound on the HD2 sucks. Even with decent headphones. It's not bad over BT stereo, though, considering how bad BT stereo is to begin with. I'm not really an Apple fan, but the iPod Classics have a tremendous sound and enormous capacity. I use a 160GB iPod to tote around a chunk of my collection. The built in EQ is pretty handy as well. You can pick them up used for less than $100 also.
Well I picked up a bootlooping galaxy S for $40. Hopefully I can get it working
The stock recovery was corrupted so the volume keys weren't working.
Oh yeh, got me a working galaxy S! Sure beats any $40 PMP out there!
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Well I picked up a bootlooping galaxy S for $40. Hopefully I can get it working
The stock recovery was corrupted so the volume keys weren't working.
Oh yeh, got me a working galaxy S! Sure beats any $40 PMP out there!
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Ugh.. I need to find a deal like that.. Everyone around my way thinks broken phones are worth their weight in gold.
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Ugh.. I need to find a deal like that.. Everyone around my way thinks broken phones are worth their weight in gold.
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Well the guy posted for $70, I talked him down to $40. He didn't sound like he had any clue what was wrong with the phone, which probably helped.
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Although XDA is not a place to extensively talk about what device person should buy, some forums permit it. So to help keep the threads a little cleaner, you may post your questions here.
Granted there are other sites more into device reviews and comparisons, but in the interest of keeping some people happy, and to avoid getting posts deleted, this thread is created for people who have no idea what device to get.
In the end, you should still march your happy self to a shop, and play with the devices that are available. Only then will you be satisfied with your purchase.
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pre order the htc one!!!!
wel, i had the atrix 4g and did alot with it. now i got the atrix 2. i like it more in terms of camera screen and overall feel and preformance, but this bootloader it bringing me down in terms of wanting more out of this awesome phone. so, with that said....around the ninth of may i will be leaving the atrix 2 threads as i have just pre ordered a htc one on [email protected] and will be moving there. the atrix 2 is going to a good friend as we are on aplan together but he has no knowledge of android so seeing that its already rooted and has a custom rom im sure ill he back off and on keeping him up to date with the latest and greatest i know this phone will get here soon. thanks devs for all the hard work for this device and maybe ill see a few of you in the htc one threads.
Unlocked Galaxy Nexus, no contract, $400 direct from Google. No brainer
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loved my atrix 4g. favorite phone ever. screen broke though and insurance didn't have any more so i had to get an atrix 2. build quality, screen and camera are better. sacrificed fingerprint sensor, battery life and slightly better processor for it though. also the dev support on the atrix 2 doesn't come close to the support for the OG atrix.
Galaxy S III
Guys what do you think? Is it worth it to buy Galaxy S III right now?? Later? Or don't buy it at all?!
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Guys what do you think? Is it worth it to buy Galaxy S III right now?? Later? Or don't buy it at all?!
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I'd get a Nexus just because the SIII is basically a beefier Nexus with TouchWiz 4.0 instead of straight ICS, but that's more personal preference than anything.
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Guys what do you think? Is it worth it to buy Galaxy S III right now?? Later? Or don't buy it at all?!
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The Galaxy S III will be a great phone, they rooted it before it was even released and they already have an insecure kernel and boot image, so if you like ROMs and flashing. then that is the phone to get.
I will have a Galaxy S III the day it is released. I am in no way getting rid of the Atrix2, it will no longer be my daily driver, so I can hack the crap out the Atrix2, and get us some more great things, without having to worry about not being able to use my phone for an extended period of time, if I want to work on something over a whole weekend or something.
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loved my atrix 4g. favorite phone ever. screen broke though and insurance didn't have any more so i had to get an atrix 2. build quality, screen and camera are better. sacrificed fingerprint sensor, battery life and slightly better processor for it though. also the dev support on the atrix 2 doesn't come close to the support for the OG atrix.
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This is the boat I am in...my screen has gone bonkers, and my IT group wants to replace my Atrix with the Atrix 2. I had written off the A2 when they first gave me a choice...but this time I don't have a choice. Too bad because I have just about all the OG Atrix docks (car, lapdock, standard, HD, etc).
What I really want to know is whether or not I can modify the unit. With the OG Atrix now starting to see ICS with CM9 and AOKP, what will I be missing with the A2?
S3 or One X w'd be better choice
s3 comes with cheap build quality and One X lags in spite of its Quad core factor.
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kc92iyngr said:
S3 or One X w'd be better choice
s3 comes with cheap build quality and One X lags in spite of its Quad core factor.
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Honestly they are looking like the 2 strong contenders..... Sg3 boast a bit more cutting edge features and looks like one x does not have sd storage????? If I had the choice it would be Sg3 all day..... All boils down to preferences and needs do you need all Sg3 offers or would one x work for you.....
every htc phone sux in battery department....while SG3 Luks cheapish 4 a very high end phone ....i think sg2 is best and since price have gone down it more of a better choice...it can do everything what sg3 nd htc one x do....the only thing i t lacks is a hd display ....but seriously i saw htc one x nd SG2 hand to hand nd i dont notice any diffence in display pixel density....both look same....nothing big difference its just a hype of hd nothing more ......
justin
cool beans
I'm trying to decide if I should trade the Atrix 2 for a SGS2. Somebody at craigslits wants to trade. What do you think?
Shoot, I would take that offer.
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I'm trying to decide if I should trade the Atrix 2 for a SGS2. Somebody at craigslits wants to trade. What do you think?
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I've posted my MB865 both on eBay and on Craig's List, and no takers. I've set the price very low and still have no luck trying to offload it. Guess I will just choke down the $199.00 from AT&T with a new 2 year for the SGS3.
C'es la vie...
Best Buy will probably buy it from you. Now I'm glad that I got the "buyback guarantee" thing. Once my contract is up I'll get about $150 for it to put towards another phone...more if I go in earlier. Earlier's looking good.
just wandering what you want to do that you can't with the A2 besides use a new rom everyday?
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just wandering what you want to do that you can't with the A2 besides use a new rom everyday?
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AOSP and AOKP are not going to work unless we unlock the bootloader. That is what I really like... I think blur is clumsy and fat...
The ONLY things about this phone that are great is that it is solid, and the battery is amazing.
Developing anything on this phone is a pain... my sgs 3 will be here tomorrow or tues at the latest, and I already have a kernel and cm9 compiled and ready to test and release over there.
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Best Buy will probably buy it from you. Now I'm glad that I got the "buyback guarantee" thing. Once my contract is up I'll get about $150 for it to put towards another phone...more if I go in earlier. Earlier's looking good.
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I've seen this mentioned a couple of times and am curious - does Best Buy only buy back phones purchased from their store, or could I turn in my Atrix 2 purchased from an AT&T location?
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I've seen this mentioned a couple of times and am curious - does Best Buy only buy back phones purchased from their store, or could I turn in my Atrix 2 purchased from an AT&T location?
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No it does not have to have been bought at a best buy. I traded my HTC inspire that I bought at an AT&T corp store for the A2 and I had money left to buy a 32GB and a 64GB SDcard.
So basically I got the A2 and a 32GB SDcard, and a 64GB SDcard all for trading in my HTC Inspire 4g that was bought for 99 bucks at an AT&T corp store. So basically the phone was free and they gave me 2 SDcards with it...
Now I will say if you have ANY issues BB will screw you over, so be careful, and if you have an issue they will MAKE you get a geek squad monthly support contract... I told them to F-off, and took the first A2 that broke into the AT&T Corp store right across the street and AT&T still took care of me.
Oh, and I bought my SGS 3 from the AT&T website... no more BB after the issues with support even though it was 32 days after purchase.
I will say though, that if you need to trade your phone in to get another one, for money reasons, BB is the place to go. I have heard of certain AT&T corp stores doing trade ins, but the ones around me have never done that.
Hello everyone,
Can you offer me a good phone for the price of 450 USD? I've watched many reviews and the phones that caught my attention were Sony Xperia P, HTC One S...I'm also wondering about Xperia Arc S (which is cheaper), but you don't buy a new phone every month so I prefer something newer. So...I'm waiting for your advices and thanks in advance.
i would go with tge htc thats my opinion
You have a budget of $450? Go for the unlocked Gnex for $350, it has a big dev community and will get updates the fastest. In addition, JB with project butter has had outstanding results, similar in speed to how WP7 runs so smooth on single core 1ghz snapdragons.
if you don't mind the 5mp camera and on screen buttons, I say definitely get it
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The one s is the better of the two,but you should consider other options too.
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Yes, buy the HTC One S... you have a longer time fun with this device! And a really great support in this forum.
Before buying a new phone search for this:
1. Compatible with a stable version or Nightly version of CM9-10 or any other supported rom. (That means that is a device it’s currently developed.)
2. Listen what the device users say in the forums. (They have one they know their behavior problems)
3. Search for a recovery or a backup for the device OS. (You will be in guarantee so find a solution for any problem can succeed)
4. Look if the OS version is upper than 4.0 or recent 4.1.X (Gingerbread it's OK but it's going old each day, Jelly Bean seems a stable version)
5. Look the specs and the price. (Analyze the price with the specs it have)
Hope it was useful
Aahh, it's a tough decision. The One S has the more powerful CPU and the bigger screen, but I've read that the screen of the Xperia P is better (higher pixel density, plus that White Magic technology), the One S also lacks NFC (yeah, you can't do much with it now, but maybe in 2-3 years it will be useful). Tell me the pros and cons of the two.
Sorry for the stupid question but what's Gnex? Is it Galaxy Nexus and if it is, then where do I get it for $350 ?
manasiev93 said:
Is it Galaxy Nexus and if it is, then where do I get it for $350 ?
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https://play.google.com/store/devic...XZpY2VzX1VTX18xX3Byb21vXzEzNDA1MTg5NjUwMzYiXQ..
Damn it, it's not available in my country
Edit: I accessed the site via proxy Galaxy Nexus is definitely a good idea and I would buy it, but I can't see the list of GSM providers and I don't know if it will work with mine.
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Damn it, it's not available in my country
Edit: I accessed the site via proxy Galaxy Nexus is definitely a good idea and I would buy it, but I can't see the list of GSM providers and I don't know if it will work with mine.
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Galaxy nexus is an international GSM phone,if you have at least EDGE network (2G) it will work.
It is also very beautiful, and a Google Device,so you know you're in safe hands.
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HTC would be good
Of the aforementioned I like tha Galaxy Nexus most, but the problem is that it's not available in my country (Bulgaria) through Google Play. I should find a way to buy it.
manasiev93 said:
Of the aforementioned I like tha Galaxy Nexus most, but the problem is that it's not available in my country (Bulgaria) through Google Play. I should find a way to buy it.
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Try a Samsung Shop as opposed to your network carrier. That way you're sure it's the sim unlocked international version.
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manasiev93 said:
Damn it, it's not available in my country
Edit: I accessed the site via proxy Galaxy Nexus is definitely a good idea and I would buy it, but I can't see the list of GSM providers and I don't know if it will work with mine.
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Look this if not:
http://www.google.es/nexus/
Under the title Buy they say were to buy it if not wait until you can in the play store ! :laugh::laugh:
You know what, I have another idea. I have relatives in USA and I can send them the money so they can buy it for me. Then they'll send it to me by courier. What do you think?
manasiev93 said:
You know what, I have another idea. I have relatives in USA and I can send them the money so they can buy it for me. Then they'll send it to me by courier. What do you think?
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Shipping is expensive for tech,but you could have them lie about the value on the forms.
My advice is to exhaust all local options first, if shipping proves cheaper,then go for it.
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choose gnexus...it costs 400$ on amazon
Wait for Note 2
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I found it in my country for $416 and I think it will be cheaper to buy it from here. And about the Galaxy Note 2 - I think it'll be much more expensive.
manasiev93 said:
I found it in my country for $416 and I think it will be cheaper to buy it from here. And about the Galaxy Note 2 - I think it'll be much more expensive.
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True. Go with the nexus.
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Well, as most of you know, the HTC One X+ was announced today. Would it be stupid to buy an One S or should I wait for a One S+?
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BoeingDude777 said:
Well, as most of you know, the HTC One X+ was announced today. Would it be stupid to buy an One S or should I wait for a One S+?
Many Thanks,
Boeingdude777
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I just got this phone yesterday and I love it. imo I think the one x looks better but I love how compact this phone is for how big the screen is. cant go wrong that. as far as im concerned the one x+ still isn't too much of an upgrade besides its hd screen
I think you can't go wrong with either. The One X does feel good and solid and the bigger screen is awesome too. But the One S is so thin and sexy; even with a case. I went back to stock for the new update and this thing is even faster.
In my opinion, the only reason somebody would get a One X is because of the bigger screen. Even though the One is is marketed below the One X, it certainly does not feel or operate like it.
I don't think there will be a One S+. The way I see it, the One X+ was a small bump that gave the US a non-LTE but Tegra3 version. If you want the big screen, I would wait, but I'm really happy with the One S for the already stated reasons.
These can be found for $250 on craigslist. Buy it now sell it later without losing a dime.
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These can be found for $250 on craigslist. Buy it now sell it later without losing a dime.
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Beware buying sh!t on Craigslist, especially phones. Make sure you have the device running before a purchase. But who the hell would want to buy a phone on Craigslist anyway?!
Closed Source Project said:
Beware buying sh!t on Craigslist, especially phones. Make sure you have the device running before a purchase. But who the hell would want to buy a phone on Craigslist anyway?!
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Me.........
I have a One S for sale brand new in the box unopened! With a brand new smoke cruzerlite case $400
LibertyMonger said:
I have a One S for sale brand new in the box unopened! With a brand new smoke cruzerlite case $400
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Interesting, do you know how much they usually cost?
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Beware buying sh!t on Craigslist, especially phones. Make sure you have the device running before a purchase. But who the hell would want to buy a phone on Craigslist anyway?!
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I purchase both my Nexus One and my Nexus S on craigslist. Its up to the buyer to make sure they don't get scammed. I take someone with me so I don't get robbed/jumped and I make sure the phone is working and I can make a call before money is even shown. Craigslist is a wonderful place to get stuff. The only people that get scammed on there are the gullible ones.
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Interesting, do you know how much they usually cost?
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Not sure but I know my carrier has them listed for $600 I think. I just got 4 of them for my family and not sure i will keep mine I like my Galaxy Nexus and would like to sell my HTC to save the $ for the next Nexus.
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Beware buying sh!t on Craigslist, especially phones. Make sure you have the device running before a purchase. But who the hell would want to buy a phone on Craigslist anyway?!
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I just got a new one from craigslist a couple days ago, nothing wrong with getting stuff off of CL.. especially since phones come with a 1 year manufacture warranty if there is a issue with it (besides cracked screens).
Just bought HTC One S from a "nice" dude I found on Craigslist. The guy apparently works for T-Mobile, and we completed the transaction at a T-Mobile store. I paid $275 for a brand new HTC One S. I wanted a Galaxy S3 originally but getting a One S for around 60% of a GS3 price feels good. It's a good phone for the price for sure.
HTC One S is a great phone, if you enjoy compacted efficiency.
This phone is great IMO it all comes down to what you like, go on YouTube watch some reviews and see what you think.
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lmao. I actually don't mind phones made with plastic. i loved the G1 to death. thought it felt great. But the new S3 feel very cheap to me.
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I loved my G1 as well, there is a difference between cheap plastic and premium plastic.. compare the N9/one x with the galaxy s 2 hahah
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I purchase both my Nexus One and my Nexus S on craigslist. Its up to the buyer to make sure they don't get scammed. I take someone with me so I don't get robbed/jumped and I make sure the phone is working and I can make a call before money is even shown. Craigslist is a wonderful place to get stuff. The only people that get scammed on there are the gullible ones.
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You can always rendezvous with the craiglist seller in a bank or ATM machines as there are always camera's there and you can verify the phone is legit and then get the money from the ATM and that way if you ever have to file a complaint, you will have the time and hopefully the camera captured you and the seller doing the transaction in the bank lobby
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You can always rendezvous with the craiglist seller in a bank or ATM machines as there are always camera's there and you can verify the phone is legit and then get the money from the ATM and that way if you ever have to file a complaint, you will have the time and hopefully the camera captured you and the seller doing the transaction in the bank lobby
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or you can have the guy meet you outside your house and set up a camera haha
As much as this Craigs list thing is hijacking the thread I suppose I'll participate..Just meet inside a McDonald's. Public, cameras, plenty to choose from. But always, always put your SIM and micro sd in and check all functions first.
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So can anyone answer the question about the differences between the 2 one S versions in terms of reliability?
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Hey I like to try different phones and always looking for the next best deal and a gadget to mess around with.
Using ebay, and if you had $100 (or less) to spend, what are some of the best phones you can get?
Here's a few smartphones I can think of that are pretty good for about $100.
HTC 10, Google Pixel 2, Blu Vivo XI+, Samsung S7, Moto G7, LG G7 ThinQ (but a nice clean one is $140, hard to find a good one for $100, might have cracks).
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Hey I like to try different phones and always looking for the next best deal and a gadget to mess around with.
Using ebay, and if you had $100 (or less) to spend, what are some of the best phones you can get?
Here's a few smartphones I can think of that are pretty good for about $100.
HTC 10, Google Pixel 2, Blu Vivo XI+, Samsung S7, Moto G7, LG G7 ThinQ (but a nice clean one is $140, hard to find a good one for $100, might have cracks).
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Forget about eBay, Swappa.com is a better medium for buying used devices.
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I've used ebay for many of my devices with no issues over the years.
I only know about Samsung s7, and I used Ebay too from time to time, all good for me.
MorgLaw said:
I only know about Samsung s7, and I used Ebay too from time to time, all good for me.
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S7 looks like it might be the winner, because you can get it for $100, the LG G7 is more specs but it is more money for a clean one.
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Forget about eBay, Swappa.com is a better medium for buying used devices.
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I looked at that site, the Samsung S8 was more expensive there than ebay by about $20.
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I looked at that site, the Samsung S8 was more expensive there than ebay by about $20.
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But, with eBay, you take a chance on what you actually get. Many people have bought phones on ebay and ended up getting screwed. Hence, my warning, forget about ebay when it comes to buying phones.
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You're always taking a chance with what you get even when you go to the store to buy groceries, you won't know what's in the box until you get home and open it.
So how is this other site better? You have failed to explain the difference.
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You're always taking a chance with what you get even when you go to the store to buy groceries, you won't know what's in the box until you get home and open it.
So how is this other site better? You have failed to explain the difference.
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Huh, we are talking about two different things.
In this scenario, the chance I'm talking about is whether the device you get is actually the device you paid for or whether it actually works or has a valid IMEI number. Plus, phones cost considerably more than any item that you could possibly buy at a grocery store. If you buy a grocery that you aren't satisfied with, how much have you lost on that item? A few dollars? Also, I'm pretty sure that when you buy something at the grocery store, you know what you are getting because it is right there in front of you to visually and physically inspect, plus, when you open it, it contains exactly what it says it is, whether you find it satisfying or not is a different story altogether.
What you are saying is no comparison to what I'm talking about.
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