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Well... we are all waiting gor official ICS to come to gtab+ , but now google releases new android 4.1...what an unfortunate for us..
We waited for AGES to get ICS, and till now we havent got it yet, i ask, till when we wait for JB?
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Probably 4-6 months. I saw an article where the reporter reached out to Samsung about updates, and they said they would seek to update their devices as possible. I personally think Google's push to make it available on Nexus and Motorola Xoom will force other manufacturers to provide Jelly Bean quickly if they want to sell their devices in the future.
It's not entirely a new huge platform jump of Android(Like Gingerbread to ICS) so it might not take that much time to update. A preview build was given to GN users OTA which is a good sign. I do look forward at the these features though:
Project Butter
Android 4.0 was a major upgrade from 2.3 Gingerbread, bringing a whole new interface and speed improvements. Jelly Bean improves on that, with something Google is calling “Project Butter.” This helps make the whole OS feel 100x faster and smoother, running at an insane 60 FPS.
Home screen customization has also been improved. Widgets will now wrap around the space available to them, so you won’t need to go through the hassle process of moving around icons and widgets.
Offline Voice Dictation
Google has not only made more improvements to the keyboard in Android 4.1 JB, but they’ve also brought offline voice dictation. This means that you won’t need a network connection in order to use voice dictation anymore, unlike Siri voice dictation, which needs a constant connection. Unfortunately, this feature is currently only available in US English, but Google promises that more language support will be coming soon.
The keyboard has also made other vast improvements in predictive text input, meaning that the keyboard thinks about what you are going to type before you even type it.
Notifications
In Android 4.0 ICS, we received the ability to view our notifications from our lockscreen, and access an app right through them. Android 4.1 JB takes this even farther, and allows you to do an action without even accessing the app, all from your notifications window pane.
For example, if someone calls you and you miss it, a notification obviously appears. When you swipe down, you can immediately choose to call the person back, or you can message them if you’d like, all directly from your notification window pane. If you’re currently calling someone and decide to hang up, you can just drag the notification window pane down and end the call from right there. Simple and Easy.
Google has also improved the way Social Networks and 3rd-Party apps are integrated with notifications. If you receive a Google+ photo, you’ll see a preview right from the lockscreen, without even having to access the Google+ app. You can comment and +1 on the photo right from your notification window pane, and quickly get back to what you were doing before.
3rd party developers also have great new features that they can integrate into their apps. Pulse, a popular social news reader, has the ability to show you the days’s top news-just by swiping the notification.
Now hold on a sec, once we get the Ics sources we should be able to port aosp jb to GT+ ain't I right?
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Now hold on a sec, once we get the Ics sources we should be able to port aosp jb to GT+ ain't I right?
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I think you are right
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Now hold on a sec, once we get the Ics sources we should be able to port aosp jb to GT+ ain't I right?
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Hmm.. maybe yes.. just keep hoping..
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I'm going to just come out and say it, JB will probably not happen on the 7+, look at how long it took them to give us ICS with them already having released an ICS tablet almost identical to ours months ago. maybe the tab 2 will get it. But who knows maybe they will screw them too and make a tab 3.
im thinking 90% most likely officially won't ever happen, which is why i'm dropping samsung for the nexus 7
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I'm going to just come out and say it, JB will probably not happen on the 7+, look at how long it took them to give us ICS with them already having released an ICS tablet almost identical to ours months ago. maybe the tab 2 will get it. But who knows maybe they will screw them too and make a tab 3.
im thinking 90% most likely officially won't ever happen, which is why i'm dropping samsung for the nexus 7
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Yeah.. btw i'm slapping my face when seeing the price n performance by nexus 7. Gonna throw 7+ outta house.
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Yeah.. btw i'm slapping my face when seeing the price n performance by nexus 7. Gonna throw 7+ outta house.
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I'm tempted too, but the absence of a micro-sd slot is making me reconsider...
All we need is ics then we can make this a much better tab than nexus.
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just read that Flash is not supported in JellyBean. Flash Player will be removed from the store August 15th. If you already have it, you will get minor fixes/updates/etc.
Sure I agree flash is old, outdated and a hog. I think they should keep it though.
No micro SD on the Nexus 7? Wow!
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just read that Flash is not supported in JellyBean. Flash Player will be removed from the store August 15th. If you already have it, you will get minor fixes/updates/etc.
Sure I agree flash is old, outdated and a hog. I think they should keep it though.
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From what I understand, Flash is only unsupported in the Chrome browser, but you should still be able to use it for other browsers like Dolphin.
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I'm tempted too, but the absence of a micro-sd slot is making me reconsider...
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I'm in the same boat; but regardless I've bought my last Samsung product. Either I learn to deal with the cloud and no microSD storage, or I wait for someone else to come out with a similar product (maybe a 7.7 screen like the upcoming Toshiba Excite).
But no more Samsung.
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All we need is ics then we can make this a much better tab than nexus.
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Well i think we cant. The specs in nexus 7 is way too high. And JB is said to improve the cpu and gpu performance ?
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Well i think we cant. The specs in nexus 7 is way too high. And JB is said to improve the cpu and gpu performance ?
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I agree. Higher Res, twice the cores, and JB. I placed my order for the 16gb model. Ill miss the SD, but I think I'll be happy. But I won't sell my 7+ just yet.
If you're gonna talk about specs, Nexus S has a worst one than ours and yet it will receive the JB update. Since our device is very similar to the Galaxy SII, which is sure to get JB(I think), then we will too. It's a matter of patience again because of the lack of interest on our devices.
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If you're gonna talk about specs, Nexus S has a worst one than ours and yet it will receive the JB update. Since our device is very similar to the Galaxy SII, which is sure to get JB(I think), then we will too. It's a matter of patience again because of the lack of interest on our devices.
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Nexus= google experience devices. Big difference.
I'm wondering what CrisisCore meant by this being a better tablet than the Nexus if we get ICS? In terms of specs, it's lower resolution and last-gen processor. Sure, it's got microSD and back camera, but really it's hard to argue with speed and resolution. On top of that, there will be far more development on that tablet due to a larger user-base (understatement of the year...). But I'm new to this device, so I'm curious if you know something I'm missing?
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I'm tempted too, but the absence of a micro-sd slot is making me reconsider...
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Precisely. "The Cloud" is an interesting concept but unless you have an avenue to connect anywhere at anytime (3/4G + WiFi) it's not as useful as one would desire.
No uSD will most always be a deal-breaker for me.
It'll take a long time. Remember FroYo to Gingerbread on the Galaxy S I series??
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Just curious...What's the deal with the lack of development with our tab...specifically with the wifi version? Are the developers more interested in other tabs or what? Development just started to pick up and then went dead.
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Just curious...What's the deal with the lack of development with our tab...specifically with the wifi version? Are the developers more interested in other tabs or what? Development just started to pick up and then went dead.
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I'm not a developer but speaking strickly as a tablet user I can honestly say this is the first tablet I have owned where I had no desire to modify it in any way. This tablet functions just the way I want it too right out of the box.
So for me , lack of development has never been an issue.
Have to admit, even though I rooted so I could use Apps2SD, my Note is fairly perfect just the way it is.
It could be that they're waiting for jelly bean.
And yeah, the note is pretty much perfect the way it is.
I will say that I had the same problem with my note GT 7000 (the phone) having the perfect GUI.
It would be nice to see some fast kernels and slim Roms though. Maybe some themes.
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It would be nice to see some fast kernels and slim Roms though. Maybe some themes.
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+1. Exactly my point. ROMs arent always aosp. With our tab, because of the s pen functionality, its a given that custom stock roms would make more sense. But stock roms can always be slimmed down and tweaked.
I have asked a few devs if they could consider developing for the Note 10.1. And they have all asked they have a very tight schedeule but maybe later ( Indiemega) and another said about the same but he would be glad to help (Wanam) if i liked to develop myself. And its really no point in just building something thats no better or diffrent from stock. And that would be what i would have come up with, i dont have any skills to see what MOD or TWEAK would fit nice and that doesnt interfere with some other tweak. Lets just hope for the best and maybe when prices goes down in a couple of months the devs start coming.
I too don't pretty much have any issue in the way my Note 10.1 performs. It is already cool. Plus the promised JB update will make it even better. So why bother developing anything for something that's bound to get better in near future?
Let's wait and see and in the meantime enjoy our precious
Im going to say this again... theres always a need for development. No matter how good the stock rom is we as a community need custom roms. Lol
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I don't feel the need for this tablet... Just waiting for Jelly Beans!
Also can't wait for the Note II!
Develop for those that really need it.
this is the first tablet where i've had where stock is pretty damn good. great battery life, snappy processor, no real bugs... other than some apps i don't need this thing is great as is. even overclocking wouldn't make much of a difference in my usage.
still i'd probably flash a good JB rom when ever they start rolling out.
Devs come super handy when the product you like so mucho gets dropped officially, say goodbye to sweet potatoe pie 6.0, unless you upgrade the hardware.
dont burn bridges man, we need devs in the later years, no doubt.
This thread may interest some of you,
[PETITION] Let's get some Exynos sources!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1925709
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It seems confirmed that they went with the phone UI on the 10" tablet Nexus 10 like previous leaked pics showed...
HOW EFFING STUPID IS IT?!?!?
You waste all of the huge space on the whole bottom row and you add another bar (the notification bar) at the top of the screen wasting precious vertical space!!!!
I really, REALLY hope no one else follow Google on this!! I have always MUCH preferred Samsung Touchwiz and this is just further proof that the "Google experience" is a WORSE experience...
Very dissapointed...
Totally agree
Btw google experience is good except for that space wastage
Hardware keys were good enough
I think its gonna have the hybrid ui like the nexus 7
its actually mixed....its phone ui...but the apps are in tablet ui.....
Wait...it's there a setting to remove the notification bar like in some apps?
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Justjusten said:
I think its gonna have the hybrid ui like the nexus 7
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jarjar124 said:
its actually mixed....its phone ui...but the apps are in tablet ui.....
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That's not the issue at all here. Of course it's a "hybrid" UI and of course apps are in the tablet UI... The (HUGE) issue is the one I talked about in the first post.
Google is trying to go with the uniform look so new users to Android wouldnt be confused when it comes to where to look for what no matter if they're using Nexus 4, 7, or 10, the experience will be the same
Why are you opening so many threads about this. Seriously relax and buy something else if you don't like it that much.
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What I find funny is that people were complaining when the Honeycomb interface was introduced. Now they're complaining when its being replaced
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Why are you opening so many threads about this. Seriously relax and buy something else if you don't like it that much.
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"So many threads" = 2
"this" = 2 different things (one HW, the other SW)
Hello..??
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"So many threads" = 2
"this" = 2 different things (one HW, the other SW)
Hello..??
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But your talking about the phone UI on the other thread so whats the need of this one ?
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Not everyone is on xda and even knows the difference. The point is to make the ui experience similar on different devices so a newbie can pick any nexus device up and know how to use it without learning something new. Basically Google is doing what Apple does with iOS being the same on all their devices. It is for ease of use for tech newbies. The good thing about Android is that it isn't very hard to ditch the hybrid ui and get back the tablet ui if you want to and any user on xda should know that so complaining isn't useful. Just be happy it can be changed to suit your preferences and isn't locked down like iOS.
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I say it blows but being an open unlockable device I ain't much worried about it...
I think, why complain for something you know you will eventually be able to change when developers put their hands on it, besides, lots of other ppl who dont even know of the existence of xda nor that it should have tablet UI will still be happy with their N10, and for all of you that want tablet UI just wait a little more and I bet there will be tablet UI on the N10, just gotta be patient, lots of ppl complained the same for the N7, and now we have tablet UI working like a charm
So, seeing how the latest CM10 for the Nexus 10 DO NOT get rid of this INSANELY MORONIC UI, how do you guys telling me not to sweat it feel about it now..?
For my part, I am just super-glad that the tablet that I deem to be the overall best one around today and that I recently bought, the Note 10.1 3G, has kept the "traditional" tablet UI (hands down the best tablet UI of all) also on the official JB update and Samsung doesn't seem to be intentioned to follow Google into this madness...
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So, seeing how the latest CM10 for the Nexus 10 DO NOT get rid of this INSANELY MORONIC UI, how do you guys telling me not to sweat it feel about it now..?
For my part, I am just super-glad that the tablet that I deem to be the overall best one around today and that I recently bought, the Note 10.1 3G, has kept the "traditional" tablet UI (hands down the best tablet UI of all) also on the official JB update and Samsung doesn't seem to be intentioned to follow Google into this madness...
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Actually the jelly bean update that is currently officially available for the Note 10.1 is 4.1. Google changed tablet mode in 4.2.
And if you want to experience tablet mode on the N10 get paranoid android, as CM always uses the stock layout that the device has.
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Actually the jelly bean update that is currently officially available for the Note 10.1 is 4.1. Google changed tablet mode in 4.2.
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You're right although I don't see Samsung adopting that layout on 4.2...
Of course, you may have a good point and I may be devastated if they do..
And if you want to experience tablet mode on the N10 get paranoid android, as CM always uses the stock layout that the device has.
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Which points to the very limited options we have to escape Google's moronic choice...
xdapao3 said:
You're right although I don't see Samsung adopting that layout on 4.2...
Of course, you may have a good point and I may be devastated if they do..
Which points to the very limited options we have to escape Google's moronic choice...
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Actually a big reason why they might just adopt phablet ui becomes apparent if you follow the GNex PA thread.
1. The normal tablet ui was moved up to 1000dp (from 720 in 4.1 and 600 in 4.0)
2. The code is in a very bad state.
Been going on from Honeycomb and Google maintained that code in a very bad way. Riddled with hard coding and dirty hacks.
3. Is already partially deprecated. Parts of it are missing. (PA team had to forward port them)
So unless they borrow their work or do all that themselves (which would take write a while)I doubt Samsung will use old tablet ui.
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Actually a big reason why they might just adopt phablet ui becomes apparent if you follow the GNex PA thread.
1. The normal tablet ui was moved up to 1000dp (from 720 in 4.1 and 600 in 4.0)
2. The code is in a very bad state.
Been going on from Honeycomb and Google maintained that code in a very bad way. Riddled with hard coding and dirty hacks.
3. Is already partially deprecated. Parts of it are missing. (PA team had to forward port them)
So unless they borrow their work or do all that themselves (which would take write a while)I doubt Samsung will use old tablet ui.
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If you are right my Note 10.1 will become almost unusable in landscape mode and I really can't believe how everybody (especially supposed powerusers here on XDA) are not screaming to high heaven about this ****ing retarded UI change.
The ONLY thing I like about the iPad is its 4:3 aspect ratio display and now our 16:10 widescreen displays are going to become even more useless in landscape view... Unbelievable how stupid this is. I just hope they will realize the madness of it... Do they (Google's UI designers, SW engineers and everybody else involved) actually use these tablets themselves????
In terms of making Android tablet's more widely adopted they have made the right UI decision. Anyone can pick up a tablet and know how to use it because the interface is the same as their phone. Plus Google know's the only people who might complain would know how to flash a rom and therefore we have options to change this (PA being a prime example).
You can guarantee not one person is going to walk into Carphone Warehouse, pickup an N7 and say omg it's just like my phone I hate this. In the same way no one seems to care an iPad is just a big iPhone without the phone part. No big deal.
So guys as most of you will know , Samsung will put touch wiz ui over jelly bean 4.3 before giving it to us. But why does it take long. I guess it just taking touch's wiv's coding and putting it on top of jelly bean...
So I'm really confused why does it take so long and why can't Google give us an option to get updates straight from them...
They would have to work around the TW frame work and it's stability before they release it. Also they would have to make sure that the air view and all that stuff work as well.
Wrong forum. But we're already getting one of the fastest updates from custom ROMs by our developers already since we have GE versions of our phones, thanks devs.
OTA of pure google roms with almost no delay is a reason why some people would choose GE phones or Nexus phones over the others.
Cheers.
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Saw this on twitter this morning. Gleefully they work out the bugs soon
https://twitter.com/SamMobiles/status/421961770769842176
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Great. S4,s kitkat test build is out, note 3 should come soon.
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I need it!
They have to get this right after the s3 4.3 debacle, I only want this pushed out if it is 100% working!
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Don't understand the relevance of this thread.
I bought my Note 3 in November 2013 and since then I have been reading that Note 3 would likely be getting Kit Kat in late January / early February.
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I wouldn't be so excited about this update.. A friend of mine who has the nexus 5 regrets of it .. The update was only an unthinkable restriction to certain android features.. According to him... My note is flying now on 4.3 and it can do more things than any other device in the market.. So.. Unless the move to KitKat is smooth I would stay in 4.3 for a while... Or I could be wrong.. Will see.. Hehe.
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I used to use 4.4.2 on my HTC One, before buying Note 3. KitKat 4.4.2 is nothing special unless you switch from Dalvik to Art, which Samsung will definitely not allow (neither did HTC, I was using the Google Edition ROM).
Other than Art, improvements in 4.4 are under the hood or related to devices with 512mb RAM or less. So don't expect much improvement to Note 3.
However, I'm hoping that Samsung will use the switch to 4.4 as an opportunity to iron out the bugs that cause battery drain. That'll certainly make the ROM upgrade worthwhile.
Not worth it if it BREAKS half the functions on APPs.
Every Update, They keep decreasing the number of functions APPs are able to use in Android.
So apps get more and more dumbed down until they are no different than Apple iOS Apps.
I'm sure all it will do is lock the system some more, like already MJ7 does, compared to MI7 which I have, also probably will get rid of permission settings which I use now and yeah, improving performance on 512MB phones now, when most makers going toward higher memory options, ain't that great? My phone runs good, battery is great, so I think I'll stick to "Don't fix it if it ain't broken" motto for my own good. I updated my old GS3 to 4.3 recently. The only difference I can see is that useless, stupid Knox now loaded on my phone, lesson learned, thanks.
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I'm sure all it will do is lock the system some more, like already MJ7 does, compared to MI7 which I have, also probably will get rid of permission settings which I use now and yeah, improving performance on 512MB phones now, when most makers going toward higher memory options, ain't that great? My phone runs good, battery is great, so I think I'll stick to "Don't fix it if it ain't broken" motto for my own good. I updated my old GS3 to 4.3 recently. The only difference I can see is that useless, stupid Knox now loaded on my phone, lesson learned, thanks.
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Yea man, feel for ya, gotta be super cautious of the bootloader changing after MJ1.
That's why it's best to not use OTA and read like a thousand developer posts before updating.
But either way, regarding 4.4, eventually you'll have to update once Apps start abandoning support for 4.3 just as they have for ICS.
ICS has lost a large fraction of apps that previously work for it thanks to Dev's abandoning support for older OSes.
This is becoming a serious problem for "oldER" devices moving forward.
Because of this, Android devices really shouldn't have much resale value.
Not only does a device not keep up with NEW features, but it's ALSO LOSING OLD FEATURES.
LOL Android, What a Joke. :laugh:
Tho to be fair, I understand this to be the cost of breakneck developing speed platforms compared to matured platforms like Windows.
Well, the way I look at it, in about 4-6 months Knox and all those new locks will be mere inconvenience and then if I need to upgrade to get some new programs to run, I will. But I don't share "can't wait to upgrade" attitude of others. I upgraded from Win 7 to Win 8 pretty much on release day, what a stupid move that was and what a pain to downgrade back to Win 7, never mind the money spend.
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Well, the way I look at it, in about 4-6 months Knox and all those new locks will be mere inconvenience and then if I need to upgrade to get some new programs to run, I will. But I don't share "can't wait to upgrade" attitude of others. I upgraded from Win 7 to Win 8 pretty much on release day, what a stupid move that was and what a pain to downgrade back to Win 7, never mind the money spend.
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The point is, if you upgrade to get some programs to run, some other ones will stop working.
Look at Tasker, seems like the number of accessible Google APIs for Apps are decreasing every version.
It'll be interesting to see if custom ROMs and kernels will allow ART to be enabled... however Wanam fails with ART, so people might not bother with it too much.