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Though I used to play lots of games, I have not had a chance to play them for awhile. I certainly did not buy tablet for the purpose of gaming but the other day I saw pretty stunning graphics and decent review about "Horn", so I ended up purchasing it.
Let's talk about some positive aspect of the Infinity, which is "gaming".
1. Tegra Zone
Tegra chips being the major line of Android Tablet, slowly but surely seem to see a growth of Tegra optimized games. Some of these are quite impressive in its graphics even compared to the portable gaming devices.
I only have one game from Tegra Zone, which is "Horn" but its quick and easy to play with stunning graphics. The other game I am looking forward to is Wild Blood, which uses Unreal Engine.
Hardware wise, other high end android tablets should have no issue supporting these games, but simply due to number of devices out there, I believe Tegra chip based device continues to see its exclusive support on high end tablet gaming.
2. Playstation Mobile Certified
The launch date has just been announced as 10/3 during Tokyo Game Show.
Though not specifically stated Infinity is one of the device included, ASUS is one of the company included in the playstation mobile certified device developer so it is natural to think Infinity be one of the device supported.
Personally, no big game at this point yet but certainly nice expansion to have.
Here is the list of games currently on market (presumably for Sony's Tablet S): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_Mobile_games
The official list of new games with launch in Japan can be seen here: http://www.jp.playstation.com/psn/psm/
There will be around 30 games or so initially, and more to come with developer kit releasing in November to further stimulate the game development on Android devices.
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9/24/2012
According to zenaxe, EA games are not compatible with Transformer Infinity. So if you intend to play their games, this would be minus point.
Considering that at current state I cannot play any game no longer than 5 minutes before crashing, I am not so keen about gaming on this tablet anymore.
Also it doesn't make any sense why some people can play and others don't. Before update also no problems with my gaming..
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This is good news. I was really hoping I would see a Final Fantasy game or Chrono Trigger on that list though!
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This is good news. I was really hoping I would see a Final Fantasy game or Chrono Trigger on that list though!
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Well Square Enix has its own online store so not sure if they will continue to use it or jump onto the Playstation Mobile bandwagon. Though there is almost no doubt that they will continue support Android as supposedly FFIII alone made them $700,000 in first a few weeks just on Android platform.
Considering that at current state I cannot play any game no longer than 5 minutes before crashing, I am not so keen about gaming on this tablet anymore.
Also it doesn't make any sense why some people can play and others don't. Before update also no problems with my gaming..
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Is there a specific game that you cannot play? I can give a try if its free to see if its an issue across the board.
So far I have no issue playing any of games I installed, which are not many a few Japanese specific games, FF III, and most recently Horn. I have never had any crash or force close on any of these games. But I have not made any build prop change other than market place change. I'm on stock rom .30 version with bloatware turned off.
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Is there a specific game that you cannot play? I can give a try if its free to see if its an issue across the board.
So far I have no issue playing any of games I installed, which are not many a few Japanese specific games, FF III, and most recently Horn. I have never had any crash or force close on any of these games. But I have not made any build prop change other than market place change. I'm on stock rom .30 version with bloatware turned off.
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Well the worst thing is that it is not consistant. I can get every game crash and yet if I reboot the machine than I can play every game.
Have had crashes with every single game I have played. But if I reboot and then start playing no problems. I dont think that high end tablet should work like this especially when the booting time is actually quite slow..
HoushaSen - would you mind trying Raging Thunder and Raging Thunder 2 - both are free in the store.
Maybe if they work on yours you can give me a little insight on making them work on mine.
Thanks!
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Well the worst thing is that it is not consistant. I can get every game crash and yet if I reboot the machine than I can play every game.
Have had crashes with every single game I have played. But if I reboot and then start playing no problems. I dont think that high end tablet should work like this especially when the booting time is actually quite slow..
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Well I agree. What's tough here is probably depending on what you have installed in background etc. But either way, with high end tablet that should not matter.. I don't have much running in background. Bloatware turned off. Only real widget I have is news 360 and ASUS weather. Also, I have tons of video and ebooks, which I store in microsd rather than harddrive. So my harddrive still have tons of space open. You don't have build.prop tweak do you? Because I did that before and I had my first ever random os reboot afterwards. So this time I have not touched anything on build.prop. (Though it may had nothing to do with..)
One thing that your case raises concern is, is there any memory leak? (I don't know how Android OS deals with memory leak).
HoushaSen - would you mind trying Raging Thunder and Raging Thunder 2 - both are free in the store.
Maybe if they work on yours you can give me a little insight on making them work on mine.
Thanks!
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I tried Raging Thunder 2. I was able to complete a single race without a issue. Do you know when you get error?
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Well I agree. What's tough here is probably depending on what you have installed in background etc. But either way, with high end tablet that should not matter.. I don't have much running in background. Bloatware turned off. Only real widget I have is news 360 and ASUS weather. Also, I have tons of video and ebooks, which I store in microsd rather than harddrive. So my harddrive still have tons of space open. You don't have build.prop tweak do you? Because I did that before and I had my first ever random os reboot afterwards. So this time I have not touched anything on build.prop. (Though it may had nothing to do with..)
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No build props or anything. Completely stock.
But yes i have quite a lot of widgets. It could be that they hog memory and result in bad user experience while gaming.
HD widgets, business calendar, gmail, email, youtube, zinio, g+, facebook, flighttrack and hanping chinese..
It could be that these reserve memory and then when playing games problems start. Nevertheless I have quite similar widgets on my phone and there no problems.
Maybe should try without widgets how it goes..
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No build props or anything. Completely stock.
But yes i have quite a lot of widgets. It could be that they hog memory and result in bad user experience while gaming.
HD widgets, business calendar, gmail, email, youtube, zinio, g+, facebook, flighttrack and hanping chinese..
It could be that these reserve memory and then when playing games problems start. Nevertheless I have quite similar widgets on my phone and there no problems.
Maybe should try without widgets how it goes..
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Maybe you have memory leak or memory hog. Also, one thing I really noticed performance difference is turning bloatware off. Afterall, Infinity only has 1GB RAM, which is still standard but not that much memory if you think about. But try with widget off, and potentially bloatware off and see if you can fix the issue. As I am sure it would be helpful to others.
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Let's talk about some positive aspect of the Infinity, which is "gaming".
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LOL. GAMING is the only thing I'm completely UNSATISFIED with on the Infinity. Nearly every console style game I own crashes. Trying to demo it for someone is a freaking exercise in embarrassment. EA has even marked the 700 as incompatible on a lot of their stuff where it was compatible with previous TFs.
This is a systemic problem, btw, it is not a "bad" tablet. I have owned five TF series tablets and every single one of them has been exactly like this. So, really gaming is probably the last thing I would call out as a bright spot on the ASUS tabs.
rikkoko said:
This is good news. I was really hoping I would see a Final Fantasy game or Chrono Trigger on that list though!
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I can already play Chrono Trigger and Virtually any FF game up through the PS1 era. Look up FPSe and Super GNES on the market/google. Emulators do run fairly well.
zenaxe said:
LOL. GAMING is the only thing I'm completely UNSATISFIED with on the Infinity. Nearly every console style game I own crashes. Trying to demo it for someone is a freaking exercise in embarrassment. EA has even marked the 700 as incompatible on a lot of their stuff where it was compatible with previous TFs.
This is a systemic problem, btw, it is not a "bad" tablet. I have owned five TF series tablets and every single one of them has been exactly like this. So, really gaming is probably the last thing I would call out as a bright spot on the ASUS tabs.
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Well I guess you are probably correct as majority of US user probably favors EA games over the PS games or Tegra games. I would admit that I play non of EA games, so I did not know. All I know is there were issue with playing Horn (Tegra optimized game) on Galaxy Note 10.1, which has better overall processing power and hardware.
Having said that, I know there are games I cannot play from Japanese store as simply not made for tablet and probably never will. So yes. you are correct on that regard. I will add EA incompatibility. Thanks for the info.
I tried to play horn but it always crashed immediately. Then pissed and rooted. Froze all bloatware and tadaa. Horn plays very well and not a single crash this far
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CandyAndy said:
I tried to play horn but it always crashed immediately. Then pissed and rooted. Froze all bloatware and tadaa. Horn plays very well and not a single crash this far
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Oh... You didn't have to root. You could turn off bloatware without rooting. But now since you have rooted, I recommend browser2ram.apk, which boosts browser performance somewhat. But I really think the most effective thing I did was turning off bloatware. Build.prop tweak is supposedly great too, but I haven't done it and performance is still what I wanted to be so I'd rather not touch anything extra.
But I'm glad, you got it work and Horn is cool game isn't it? (It was sort of my main theme for this thread...)
I shall take it back what I just said it crashed and now again won't even boot up. Just black screen. Probably reboot of tablet would resolve this but I don't think we should be doing that all the time
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CandyAndy said:
I shall take it back what I just said it crashed and now again won't even boot up. Just black screen. Probably reboot of tablet would resolve this but I don't think we should be doing that all the time
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Sorry to hear that. If it worked fine for a while and crashed, it sound more and more like memory leak on one of your app. Any suspicious software? If so, how about turning it off and see if it makes difference?
Where is Browser2RAM?
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Oh... You didn't have to root. You could turn off bloatware without rooting. But now since you have rooted, I recommend browser2ram.apk, which boosts browser performance somewhat. But I really think the most effective thing I did was turning off bloatware. Build.prop tweak is supposedly great too, but I haven't done it and performance is still what I wanted to be so I'd rather not touch anything extra.
But I'm glad, you got it work and Horn is cool game isn't it? (It was sort of my main theme for this thread...)
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Where can I find the Browser2RAM.apk? It's not on Google Play.
Thank you.
CandyAndy said:
I shall take it back what I just said it crashed and now again won't even boot up. Just black screen. Probably reboot of tablet would resolve this but I don't think we should be doing that all the time
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So as part of my other thread, I actually did couple additional testing (mainly for I/O effect). I run 1.1GB file transfer over the AirDroid in background and launched Final Fantasy 3, which had no issue. In fact, I couldn't even tell the difference in launching speed and actual game play compared to no background.
On the contrary, launching of Horn took much longer and I saw ANR, which I have not seen for a while on my infinity. So basically, I hypothesize here that some of your application in background may have high I/O access or you have memory leak in your application. The latter is not proven here.
But in any event, even on my machine which generally runs Horn totally fine can become problematic when you have stress in a background so definitely I think something in your background is the issue, which you may well know already but just wanted to let you know that I can sort of confirm this.
Where can I find the Browser2RAM.apk? It's not on Google Play.
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Here: http://www.transformerforums.com/fo...5-fix-browser-not-responding-browser2ram.html
But remember this only works if you root the system and have superuser access. If you feel like your browser is running fine, you may not even need this. I do feel like I got performance boost on stock browser, but other browser's like Boat browser seems pretty much the same (relatively fast before and still equally fast).
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Where can I find the Browser2RAM.apk? It's not on Google Play.
Thank you.
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Just a heads up that browser 2 ram will not have any impact on gaming, it could even theoretically have a negative impact on it if it fragments memory or causes less to be available for other process somehow... but it should help www browsing that is limited by eMMC I/O. I do not have many issues with browsing performance so I don't find b2ram to be very useful personally..
On the other hand, bloatware removal could theoretically help with games since it might reduce memory fragmentation over time by reducing the number of apps and services running (I have done this but it hasn't had a measurable impact for me).
Also, be aware that build.prop tweaks do have a non-zero risk associated with them. I have soft bricked a TF before with a bad build.prop edit. Make sure you have a working adb/fastboot setup at the very least before doing a build.prop hack.
Something easy to try that might really work: Get FMR memory cleaner from the market. Run it before running your game. Also, if it is crashing right at startup try clearing its cache/data (you will lose any save games/data, if you do this, though).
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Just a heads up that browser 2 ram will not have any impact on gaming, it could even theoretically have a negative impact on it if it fragments memory or causes less to be available for other process somehow... but it should help www browsing that is limited by eMMC I/O. I do not have many issues with browsing performance so I don't find b2ram to be very useful personally..
On the other hand, bloatware removal could theoretically help with games since it might reduce memory fragmentation over time by reducing the number of apps and services running (I have done this but it hasn't had a measurable impact for me).
Also, be aware that build.prop tweaks do have a non-zero risk associated with them. I have soft bricked a TF before with a bad build.prop edit. Make sure you have a working adb/fastboot setup at the very least before doing a build.prop hack.
Something easy to try that might really work: Get FMR memory cleaner from the market. Run it before running your game. Also, if it is crashing right at startup try clearing its cache/data (you will lose any save games/data, if you do this, though).
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May be you can answer. What's the IO issue that you are facing right now? As I write more about this, and test... I am start getting a bit lost. Because when I had original two units back in July and August, I got constant ANR with browser, PDF file reading. System almost froze while I download applications from market.
I have stock with browser2ram, bloatware turned off, but no build.prop tweaks, and essentially don't see any of above anymore. The game I cannot play is simply I cannot. It's just not supported on this device. But games that runs, runs smoothly like Horn, which is probably one of the most high end graphics game right now until Unreal Engine 3 game released.
As far as your theory of eMMC affecting browser is something I am not so certain. Simply because if that is the case why would some browsers works much faster such as Firefox (which crashes too often so I don't use) but fast. Boat browser, which is stable and fast. Sure they are not as fast as Galaxy Note 10.1 stock browser, but in galaxy note 10.1, I didn't even noticed much difference in speed between the stock and other third party browsers. Sure sunspider test results were different but practical loading page speed, I couldn't tell the difference so I kept using stock on Note. Could this have been because better eMMC? I have a feeling not. Again because if that's the case all third party browser should be even much faster on that device. Would it be because of 2GB ram? Don't know. Could be but browser application demanding such huge RAM seem a bit too excessive. So my guess is actually Samsung's software. The touch wiz is highly customized on their platform like stock video player, stock browser can support multitask. So Samsung definitely went into source code level of those application and edited. So during that process, they may have optimized the browser. How can I confirm this? Probably no way unless I can talk to Samsung Developer, but it's probably same as the logic of blaming on eMMC.
Any tools to check which applications use I/O in the background?
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I just bought this device as a toy and a test as a computer tablet. I found it to be slow and buggy. I do notice that in browsing heavy pages like the real facebook page it IS faster than my Galaxy Note 1 but in almost everything else, the Note is faster and snappier. I have disabled lots of apps, resett it, no change. So my question, I guess this one is really worth rooting and installing a good rom Im used to the Cyanogen to my phones, is Cyanogen working good for this tablet?
Im still marveled by the quality of the screen, I dont think I ever have seen such a good screen! If I just now could get it working somewhat near as good as my Note 1 I will be a happy panda
Thanx in advance peeps
My experience is that it is NOT slow and buggy.
I could compare it with an iPad3 last week and I think they are very close.
You can't compare it with a note because due to the much higher resolution the gpu has to do so much more computing. That is why the nexus7 is faster than the tf700 due to it's smaller screen AND resolution
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I just bought this device as a toy and a test as a computer tablet. I found it to be slow and buggy. I do notice that in browsing heavy pages like the real facebook page it IS faster than my Galaxy Note 1 but in almost everything else, the Note is faster and snappier. I have disabled lots of apps, resett it, no change. So my question, I guess this one is really worth rooting and installing a good rom Im used to the Cyanogen to my phones, is Cyanogen working good for this tablet?
Im still marveled by the quality of the screen, I dont think I ever have seen such a good screen! If I just now could get it working somewhat near as good as my Note 1 I will be a happy panda
Thanx in advance peeps
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I'm on stock rom with browser2ram and force2gpu enabled. My table is very fast. Just remember before you flash a new rom, just do factory reset(data wipe 3 times). Also root is good (allow you to install rooted app like Titinium backup, SetcPU etc..), but don't unlock unless absolutely necessary (void your warranty), or you have time or like to play with custom rom.
Ok, sounds like I will root it then and try to tweak it, Im not satisfied with the speed with it sofar. Its seems stable now after I resetted it, before the reset, it crasched 2-10 times a day. My idea was that since the GPU and CPU is older in the Note, The Tegra 3 would be able to handle the FullHD resolution but it doesnt seem to .. I definatly want a ROM without the garbage crap
I plan to use it to write alot on, can you recommend a good office app? Or a browser that google docs work good with
Is games running good for you?? The new demanding ones I tried before resetting was really slow and laggy.
Thanx for the replys, I hope I get this baby running smoother
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Ok, sounds like I will root it then and try to tweak it, Im not satisfied with the speed with it sofar. Its seems stable now after I resetted it, before the reset, it crasched 2-10 times a day. My idea was that since the GPU and CPU is older in the Note, The Tegra 3 would be able to handle the FullHD resolution but it doesnt seem to .. I definatly want a ROM without the garbage crap
I plan to use it to write alot on, can you recommend a good office app? Or a browser that google docs work good with
Is games running good for you?? The new demanding ones I tried before resetting was really slow and laggy.
Thanx for the replys, I hope I get this baby running smoother
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Yes, all games, videos, pictures, and documents and apps are function normally. There are 3 most popular office apps:
1. Documents to go (this can view google docs also. Paid version only)
2. Kingsoft office
3. Polaris office (currently polaris has a bug with fonts).
My stock browser can view google docs fine. I think stock browser is the best in my opinion (have tried boat, chrome, mozilla etc...)
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My idea was that since the GPU and CPU is older in the Note, The Tegra 3 would be able to handle the FullHD resolution but it doesnt seem to .. I definatly want a ROM without the garbage crap
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The Infinity's performance is not CPU bound and is not due to the higher res. It's I/O limited. The CPU is plenty fast enough. As soon as the memory config requires the system to start hitting the /sdcard memory, the system will be subject to random stuttering/pausing because the sdcard memory is the cheapest, slowest, crappiest flash RAM ASUS could find.
This is why stuff like browser2ram is seen as a huge boost for people that do a lot of browsing and it is also why the stuttering varies from user to user/session to session since the RAM situation in the system varies from config to config and moment to moment during use. Some users who's config has a lot of free DRAM and do not frequently use stuff that hits the sdcard partition hard, see almost no performance issues with the tablet.
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The Infinity's performance is not CPU bound and is not due to the higher res. It's I/O limited. The CPU is plenty fast enough. As soon as the memory config requires the system to start hitting the /sdcard memory, the system will be subject to random stuttering/pausing because the sdcard memory is the cheapest, slowest, crappiest flash RAM ASUS could find.
This is why stuff like browser2ram is seen as a huge boost for people that do a lot of browsing and it is also why the stuttering varies from user to user/session to session since the RAM situation in the system varies from config to config and moment to moment during use. Some users who's config has a lot of free DRAM and do not frequently use stuff that hits the sdcard partition hard, see almost no performance issues with the tablet.
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Well,
I guess I'm going to do the downgrade to ICS .30\root\then try the rootkreeper deal back to Belly Jean.
I really don't want to go thru all this, but if I want to keep chipping away trying to find a better Android experience then so be it.
Pain in the ass...
Thanx for the info! That was my biggest thoughts about the Infinity, "is the RAM enough?" and it isnt but then Ill just have to multitask less and try to tweak it. And perhaps dont install multipicture wallpaper.. but thats one of the things that I love about my Note
buhoitr: thanx for the suggestions, Ill try them and see
What rom would you suggest for getting the most out of the Infinity?
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The Infinity's performance is not CPU bound and is not due to the higher res. It's I/O limited. The CPU is plenty fast enough. As soon as the memory config requires the system to start hitting the /sdcard memory, the system will be subject to random stuttering/pausing because the sdcard memory is the cheapest, slowest, crappiest flash RAM ASUS could find.
This is why stuff like browser2ram is seen as a huge boost for people that do a lot of browsing and it is also why the stuttering varies from user to user/session to session since the RAM situation in the system varies from config to config and moment to moment during use. Some users who's config has a lot of free DRAM and do not frequently use stuff that hits the sdcard partition hard, see almost no performance issues with the tablet.
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hobs0n said:
I just bought this device as a toy and a test as a computer tablet. I found it to be slow and buggy. I do notice that in browsing heavy pages like the real facebook page it IS faster than my Galaxy Note 1 but in almost everything else, the Note is faster and snappier. I have disabled lots of apps, resett it, no change. So my question, I guess this one is really worth rooting and installing a good rom Im used to the Cyanogen to my phones, is Cyanogen working good for this tablet?
Im still marveled by the quality of the screen, I dont think I ever have seen such a good screen! If I just now could get it working somewhat near as good as my Note 1 I will be a happy panda
Thanx in advance peeps
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Hmmm, I've found mine to be quick and virtually bug-free, but then again I didn't buy it as a toy.
A little tweaking and I wouldn't call it slow. Even stock its a solid piece of equipment.
Apply data2sd mod built for CleanROM 2 after installing the ROM. You'll need a fast sd card.
Research the threads. The blob for data2sd for that ROM was just posted today.
look at my I/O!
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I own both the Infinity and the Acer a700 and after the a700 got JB earlier today, I will say that the Infinity lags more than the a700 (and I was very happy with the Infinity). Colour me shocked.
The only time I really ever experience any lag or sluggishness is when browsing. I will be rooting once there is a method discovered for Jelly Bean on the Infinity. I'd really like to give browser2ram a shot. I've heard it does wonders for browsing.
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Better than ever
Before i say thing, I will list the important things about my tablet - C7 model, Has been repaired for speaker issues & Jelly bean 4.1.1. I'd say TF700T is a powerful device, It lacks the software for it. I use to notice quiet a bit of lag on ICS but after upgraded to Jelly bean, It's faster than ever! I would even compare it to iPad 3:laugh: I'm running Stock Jelly bean with a bit of removing apps here and there.
I Don't know why everyone is having problems with such a decent device.
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Before i say thing, I will list the important things about my tablet - C7 model, Has been repaired for speaker issues & Jelly bean 4.1.1. I'd say TF700T is a powerful device, It lacks the software for it. I use to notice quiet a bit of lag on ICS but after upgraded to Jelly bean, It's faster than ever! I would even compare it to iPad 3:laugh: I'm running Stock Jelly bean with a bit of removing apps here and there.
I Don't know why everyone is having problems with such a decent device.
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I you guys would read the Development section (read the newer threads, please) you would see that CleanROM2.2 has pretty much completely eliminated the lag and i/o issues. It's reason enough to root and unlock. This tablet is a beast when it is allowed to begin to reach its full potential.
okantomi said:
I you guys would read the Development section (read the newer threads, please) you would see that CleanROM2.2 has pretty much completely eliminated the lag and i/o issues. It's reason enough to root and unlock. This tablet is a beast when it is allowed to begin to reach its full potential.
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Im rooted and installed CleanRom2.2 this morning and it is indeed faster and smoother i will try the tweaking you guys suggested later. It still lagged when i downloaded my spotify playlists while i was downloading youtube movies tho
okantomi said:
I you guys would read the Development section (read the newer threads, please) you would see that CleanROM2.2 has pretty much completely eliminated the lag and i/o issues. It's reason enough to root and unlock. This tablet is a beast when it is allowed to begin to reach its full potential.
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I think CleanROM 2.2 is the route I'm going to go too...that's if I can figure out how to do it without asking a bunch of dumbs**t questions.
Still reading about it in development.
I'm getting more and more disappointed with this TF700T each time I turn it on lately...
Did really dig it for a while...not anymore
Will i unlock? No...
Thats OK said:
I think CleanROM 2.2 is the route I'm going to go too...that's if I can figure out how to do it without asking a bunch of dumbs**t questions.
Still reading about it in development.
I'm getting more and more disappointed with this TF700T each time I turn it on lately...
Did really dig it for a while...not anymore
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If it was really laggy and something that i can't deal with i would unlock but since it feels flawless, I might stay. I don't give a crap about their warranty but i do care for my device (brick)
ExjeetzZ said:
I use to notice quiet a bit of lag on ICS but after upgraded to Jelly bean, It's faster than ever!
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It's the total opposite for me. ICS was fast and virtually lag-free. The latest updates to Jellybean my Infinity lags like nobody's business. Very disappointing. Looks like root'n'rom time.
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I'm on stock rom with browser2ram and force2gpu enabled.
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What is force2gpu?
(google seems to give irrelevant results).
Thx
squigs said:
What is force2gpu?
(google seems to give irrelevant results).
Thx
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If I may attempt an answer,
I believe that's a reference to the "force gpu rendering" in settings under developer options.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2104326
Hi,
Saw this on reddit this morning, as no one's posted it yet I'd just like to offer it up as another potential lag-fixer.
The source of the problem is that internal storage is not properly TRIMmed when needed. You can find lots of information on XDA - http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1971852 and http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1929021 for example. It is also well-known fact that running fstrim Linux tool from time to time fixes the issue until internal memory runs out of free blocks. Other solutions like mounting with -discard or disabling fsync may be dangerous.
LagFix is a user-friendly implementation of fstrim utility. It allows you to select which partitions to trim (you should leave defaults unless you know what you are doing) and run the process easily.
Please note that fstrim output depends on kernel and device. It works fine unless you see errors. You might see big amounts of bytes, zero amount or repeating amount. All are fine! Read fstrim manual to understand why all these outputs are valid.
It is also advised to reboot your device after the TRIM process so that kernel could reinitialize block data.
App is free and is available in Play Market. Current version is 1.0.
P.S. If your ROM mounts /data with -discard then this app is NOT needed! Mounting with -discard causes brickbug on some devices, so I DO NOT advise using -discard.
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Link on Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.grilledmonkey.lagfix
I applied it on my rooted, locked tf700 and, well, nothing bad happened. I am on the .25 update, which I feel made overall app-opening a little smoother, so I can't tell if this makes any noticeable difference, but it certainly doesn't seem slower after applying it. The dev says that if you run androbench after applying the fix i/o read should be higher, if anyone could run a few benchmarks of before/after it would be appreciated! I've never really placed much faith in benchmarks so didn't bother doing it myself.
Hope this benefits someone!
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I downloaded and installed it. Ran it, rebooted. It did trim, but the jury is still out on whether this actually helps or not. It's too freshly booted to really judge the effects properly, so I'll have it settle in and report back.
It didn't break my 700 -- that's a good thing to start with.
MartyHulskemper said:
I downloaded and installed it. Ran it, rebooted. It did trim, but the jury is still out on whether this actually helps or not. It's too freshly booted to really judge the effects properly, so I'll have it settle in and report back.
It didn't break my 700 -- that's a good thing to start with.
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Yeah, I was reluctant to be the first one to try it on an infinity... But it worked out for the better, I think. Now I don't know if the .25 jb update or this is to thank for the better performance. It should hope up till the 4.2 update at least! Quite pleased with the .25 update
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Just tried it. Could be my imagination, but my tablet seems snappier.
I am not convinced that it will have any effect: TF700's Hynix eNAND flash is eMMC 4.41 compliant, which does not have DISCARD command, the equivalent of SATA's TRIM command. The DISCARD command is supported in eMMC 4.51 compliant flash but I don't know if the Kingston flash in Nexus 7 is eMMC 4.51 compliant. Even if it does TRIM the TF700, probably it will have little effect if you have alot of free space left as it does not affect the garbage collection significantly. One would hope that TRIM should already be done dynamically within the file management software as it would reduce write amplification factor, hence improve write speed performance?
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I am not convinced that it will have any effect: TF700's Hynix eNAND flash is eMMC 4.41 compliant, which does not have DISCARD command, the equivalent of SATA's TRIM command.
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According to the spec, eMMC 4.41 supports TRIM - what's the difference between TRIM and DISCARD?
I read that eMMC 4.41 also supports "background operation" and "high priority interrupt" - these sound much more interesting related to lag than TRIM. Do you have any idea if these features are already used in the TF700's Linux kernel (or even at all in any kernel)?
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Which devices are affected?
It is known by now, that Nexus S, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 7, Nexus 4, Nexus 10 and HTC One X need regular trimming. It is also believed that all pre-ICS devices used different memory and they do NOT need it nor support it. Pre-ICS support will be dropped in version 1.2. Other 4.0+ devices? Well, test it! And report if it really helps - your device will be added to the list.
How to properly test it?
Use AndroBench app before using LagFix and after. You only need micro test. Look for Sequential Write values. Reading from memory is NOT affected, because reading does not involve writting and only writting triggers search party for free memory blocks.
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For anyone looking for early confirmation of impact.
I think I'll give this a try. I have some hefty typing lag. I thought one of the first updates had gotten rid of it, but it came back, it was just temporarily relieved by the fresh reboot then. If it does help, it'll probably be a month before I confirm anything, just to avoid giving/having false hope . Thanks for posting op hope it works.
Edit, sorry, just noticed OP already mentioned androbench.
Edit 2: Saw no change in my androbench write speed. Sequential write was something over 5MB/s, random write was .15MB/s both before and after running it, and again after rebooting. lagfix claimed to have trimmed successfully. If anything, it felt more laggy for a while after running it. I'm an OS update or two behind FWIW, just installed Jelly Bean a month or so ago. I like to let everyone else test the updates before I install them. I'll probably run another bench this evening. :shrug:
fsTRIM = AWESOME fix - on CROMI, OCed kernel, fsync disabled
I just download the fsTRIM app and it worked with CROMI, OCed kernel, and fsync disabled. Will seem laggy right after runnng it, just reboot as soon as you do and things will be deffinitely running smoother and slightly faster now. Noticing less keyboard latency even as I type this out. I suggest trying it out.
UPDATE - Seriously try this **** out. Keyboard typing is radically smoother in browser, evernote, and google drive. Less latency between multi touch gestures ive set up in GMD Gesture Control as well. App opening is still instantaneous. Loading big web pages is definitely quicker. Will time boot and other things and update again soon.
Update - Opening large files and youtube is faster. large pdfs load faster. everything is really....snappy, and.....smooth.....best of both worlds. things were already pretty snappy and smooth with CROMI, didnt think they could get better but it has. I time everything as well to compare. I could barely time it after this fix as everything is basically instantaneous. Havent tried writing/moving large files on internal storage yet, will test soon, this is distracting me from my homework too much lol.
It works for me I can now download files and move them without having my tablet unusable until it's done.
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Just installed this.
Will give it a go...
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You posted the same content in two other thread sof you own making, and in this one. One helluva way to get to 2000 posts without interjecting anything actually useful. Neitehr is this post, I will mention myself, but please keep a lower profile next time.
So far I haven't noticed any difference at all. I'll give it the rest of the day and if I don't feel there is any change I'll just uninstall.
So I keep hearing complaints about "lag" with the Galaxy S4. Some of you have it and some don't.
Well, debloating your ROM (removing junk apps that you don't use) will typically reduce lag since these extra apps aren't fighting for system resources. But that doesn't work for everyone.
Another thing to do is to flash an AOSP (android open source project) ROM. These ROM's (including gapps) are usually less than 300MB in total size, while a stock or even debloated stock TouchWiz ROM are almost always 800MB to 1.3+GB in size.
Another thing you can try is to install "Seeder". Some folks will suggest it doesn't really do anything for you. Some others will say it uses up a lot of battery. So I guess every application is different. Because for me, even with an AOSP ROM, I seem to get slightly faster system response time when I click on something. And I've left my phone alone over eight+hours and checked battery useage and don't see Seeder anywhere taking up any battery.
Here is the Seeder main application thread. There, you can "thank" the developer (lambgx02) and also ask questions about the app. You can also download Seeder from that thread for free.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987032
Or, you can be a nice person and "buy" the app from the Play Store. At less than $2, it's not very expensive.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lcis.seeder&hl=en
You can either read about how/why the app works or doesn't. Or you can try it for yourself.
For me, it's a must-have on the S4 since even AOSP ROM's still have a small amount of lag when compared with the smoothed-out ROM's on the S3.\
REQUIREMENTS:
-Rooted ROM
-Canadian or USA or Euro S4's, it works for all of them.
-TouchWiz or AOSP, it doesn't matter which.
So, here's how to install it:
1) Download Seeder to your internal or external SD card. It doesn't matter where.
2) Using Root Explorer (or your file browser of choice), locate and click on the seeder.apk.
3) Select "Install".
4) Select "Install" again.
5) Click "open".
6) Read the disclaimer and click "OK".
7) Grant root permissions:
8) Make your settings identical to mine (to start with). I've actually since changed mine from "Moderate" to "Aggressive" because I noticed no change in battery life. So, why not.
9) Now reboot.
10) Wait two minutes after the phone comes back up (to allow background start-up processes to finish) and start using phone normally.
Good luck, hope it works for you as well as it works for me. This is not a "cure-all" for lag, but it should help speed up an otherwise healthy system.
Don't expect miracles either. Only a really fubard'd ROM might show HUGE differences. But this app will probably help a little bit.
I had tried this program on my ATT GNOTE after the new JB update that seemed to slow everyone's phones to a crawl. It did help somewhat, but not enough for it to become bearable.. Caved and bought the S4. Seems like the app DOES work.
This app is a myth that has been busted even by the xda portal.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/entropy-seed-generator-not-all-its-hacked-up-to-be/
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Try this instead
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This app is a myth that has been busted even by the xda portal.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/entropy-seed-generator-not-all-its-hacked-up-to-be/
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I endorse the posting of this link. I actually intended to do so in the OP when I was typing up the original post (and lost it all to a BSOD).
The article refers more to the theory behind the "fix".
But end results are end results, and the app works for some people. It also does not work for some other folks.
Like I said in the OP, try it and see how it works for you.
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I endorse the posting of this link. I actually intended to do so in the OP when I was typing up the original post (and lost it all to a BSOD).
The article refers more to the theory behind the "fix".
But end results are end results, and the app works for some people. It also does not work for some other folks.
Like I said in the OP, try it and see how it works for you.
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Right, and it shows that the theory behind the "fix" is flawed, having no effect on app execution. The only positive performance you're seeing is a result of boosting CPU speeds. It's not saying you're not seeing results. It's just that you're seeing them for the wrong reason; the same of which can be achieved by changing your CPU governor.
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the same of which can be achieved by changing your CPU governor.
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Negative. Because I've seen results on top of overlocking and governor changes.
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Negative. Because I've seen results on top of overlocking and governor changes.
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I highly, highly doubt any other positive effects can be discernible on top of overclocking.
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The system lags because touchwiz has many many features beyond those that you can just simply remove with titanium backup and such, there are a lot of features;what they seem to call them. That adjust color and lighting beyond ambient at all times no matter what. Samsung needs to release an update which I know they're cooking up, that optimizes these resource hog and debugs that are constantly running in the background... Let's just hope we get it soon and not have to wait till 4.3 to get it. The only way to get rid of all of the lag is to switch to also otherwise there will always be a tad amount of it, until samsung fixes it themselves; there's only so much developers can conjure up
The only way to get rid of the lag is by installing a custom ROM, either AOSP/AOKP or a TW based ROM like Omega or Winam. Then installing a custom, polished kernel like KT's kernel. Then disabling the scroll cache.
That makes this thing run like it should have in the first place.
Yeah seeder sucks sorry to say its not actually doing much.
I have a Sensation 4G running Android Revolution HD 6.7.2 (bought used, came with, never changed it). I'm generally pretty happy with this situation, but there are two specific situations where it just slows to a crawl. As far as i can recall, it's always been this way for these two situations. (I've been using the phone with this ROM for about a year.)
The first situation is when I install any new app or even an update for an app. For several minutes after that, everything is very sluggish. I can still use the phone, but it's a huge pain. This is true whether or not I try to use the just-installed app or update. My best guess about this (and it's only a guess) is that the slow-down is due to populating the Dalvik cache for the new/updated app. Still, that seems like it ought to be a background thing with only minor impact on foreground performance.
The second situation is when I run the Chrome browser. Other browsers (native, FireFox, Puffin) are just fine. When I run Chrome, things really, really, really tank. When I use the developer option to overlay the load average on the screen, I've seen it go as high as 65. I don't care what kind of phone hardware you have ... if your load average is 65, you are not having a good day. Anyhow, things stay zonked pretty much forever, even if I don't actually do anything in Chrome, and even if it's in the background. I've waited literally hours hoping that something just had to "settle", but no luck. I often resort to a battery pull after Chrome experiments because it's too sluggish to wait for the power button long press. (I have Chrome on a couple other mobile devices, and it behaves just fine there.)
Anybody got any clues about things for me to try to alleviate by undeserved suffering?
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I have a Sensation 4G running Android Revolution HD 6.7.2 (bought used, came with, never changed it). I'm generally pretty happy with this situation, but there are two specific situations where it just slows to a crawl. As far as i can recall, it's always been this way for these two situations. (I've been using the phone with this ROM for about a year.)
The first situation is when I install any new app or even an update for an app. For several minutes after that, everything is very sluggish. I can still use the phone, but it's a huge pain. This is true whether or not I try to use the just-installed app or update. My best guess about this (and it's only a guess) is that the slow-down is due to populating the Dalvik cache for the new/updated app. Still, that seems like it ought to be a background thing with only minor impact on foreground performance.
The second situation is when I run the Chrome browser. Other browsers (native, FireFox, Puffin) are just fine. When I run Chrome, things really, really, really tank. When I use the developer option to overlay the load average on the screen, I've seen it go as high as 65. I don't care what kind of phone hardware you have ... if your load average is 65, you are not having a good day. Anyhow, things stay zonked pretty much forever, even if I don't actually do anything in Chrome, and even if it's in the background. I've waited literally hours hoping that something just had to "settle", but no luck. I often resort to a battery pull after Chrome experiments because it's too sluggish to wait for the power button long press. (I have Chrome on a couple other mobile devices, and it behaves just fine there.)
Anybody got any clues about things for me to try to alleviate by undeserved suffering?
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Hi,
6.7.2 is quite old ,now.
Have you considered upgrading?
7.3 has just come out,with very few problems reported.
What does your bootloader say?
malybru said:
6.7.2 is quite old ,now.
Have you considered upgrading?
7.3 has just come out,with very few problems reported.
What does your bootloader say?
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Long ago, on another phone, I was one of those guys who regularly flashed ROMs in chase of ... something (I forget what ). Now, I'm just a guy who wants to use his phone every day with the zillion little application customizations and preferences and whatnot. If I decided to endure the pain of setting everything up again (and I'm probably exaggerating that pain in my brain-pan), I'd probably just flash back to stock. Although the ROM might be the problem, the specific nature of the two problems makes me hope/think/wonder that it might be just some setting somewhere that needs a punch in the arm.
Thanks for the suggestion though. Maybe I'll go poke around the changelogs for Android Revolution and see what's to see.
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I have a Sensation 4G running Android Revolution HD 6.7.2 (bought used, came with, never changed it). I'm generally pretty happy with this situation, but there are two specific situations where it just slows to a crawl. As far as i can recall, it's always been this way for these two situations. (I've been using the phone with this ROM for about a year.)
The first situation is when I install any new app or even an update for an app. For several minutes after that, everything is very sluggish. I can still use the phone, but it's a huge pain. This is true whether or not I try to use the just-installed app or update. My best guess about this (and it's only a guess) is that the slow-down is due to populating the Dalvik cache for the new/updated app. Still, that seems like it ought to be a background thing with only minor impact on foreground performance.
The second situation is when I run the Chrome browser. Other browsers (native, FireFox, Puffin) are just fine. When I run Chrome, things really, really, really tank. When I use the developer option to overlay the load average on the screen, I've seen it go as high as 65. I don't care what kind of phone hardware you have ... if your load average is 65, you are not having a good day. Anyhow, things stay zonked pretty much forever, even if I don't actually do anything in Chrome, and even if it's in the background. I've waited literally hours hoping that something just had to "settle", but no luck. I often resort to a battery pull after Chrome experiments because it's too sluggish to wait for the power button long press. (I have Chrome on a couple other mobile devices, and it behaves just fine there.)
Anybody got any clues about things for me to try to alleviate by undeserved suffering?
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The first issue is because of our slow internal memory. The stall happening when updating/installing an app is because of long I/O waits it probably might happen over other custom roms you try here too but not as long as you said.. I used to have sluggish behavior couple of seconds after app installation (max 10 seconds). Now the only roms which were able to bypass this issue were the sense 4+ jellybean roms viz revelation / viperS 3.1.0 roms. If you want to prevent this annoying issue then change to either of those above roms.. Somehow jellybean roms were able to keep those I/O waits less.
Now to the second issue.. Sensation by default has less ram (yes 768 MB is not enough for ics/JB roms). Now when you fill your device with apps due to true multitasking nature of the Android lots of apps keep on running in the background (even restarting by themselves when killed). And Chrome is one Ram eating b***h it at least needs 50MB of memory (where other browsers like dolphin browser can run smooth over 20MB ram) so it's always slow for me takes ages to open up properly. So my suggestion is switch to different browser or install an app called "greenify" (rooted app.. You need to give root permissions) . The advantage of using this greenify app is it can hibernate persistent apps.. Thus giving you enough ram and battery. Greenify is one acclaimed rooted app which does what it says. Try it and see how the device is doing after this
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FWIW, I decided to take the plunge and upgrade to the latest ARHD. At first glance, it seems to have dealt with these two performance items. However, I'm still installing/configuring some of the assorted junk I had before. I'm on the lookout for the one thing that clobbers me and will report here if I find such a thing. (I'm also working through a couple of FCs of system stuff, but that's not for this thread.)