Hopefully this will help new users know what to try first and perhaps kernel devs to get less requests in their threads. Feel free to make a list of your top 5 mods/features or whatever and comment on specific mods/features.
for example, have you noticed zRam to make a perceivable difference?
note that I am leaving overclock out of the poll since it is kind of a given in any custom kernel.
My apologies if I forgot your favourite feature!
Still not sure what the point of this thread is.
Anyway, I don't overclock with custom kernels because it makes scrolling not smooth. I would rather my phone be smooth than have some pointless number in my CPU app. Zomg 2.000000gHz!!1!11111111!!!!!!!!!
With zRAM enabled I can leave 10 tabs open, and come back to them in a month and they're all still loaded.
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Still not sure what the point of this thread is.
Anyway, I don't overclock with custom kernels because it makes scrolling not smooth. I would rather my phone be smooth than have some pointless number in my CPU app. Zomg 2.000000gHz!!1!11111111!!!!!!!!!
With zRAM enabled I can leave 10 tabs open, and come back to them in a month and they're all still loaded.
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Ironic that the point of the thread is in the op, and then you contributed to it by the second half of the reply. So is this a pointless thread, or did you have something to contribute? Make up your mind. Let's try to keep this thread tidy.
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I dunno, I guess I envision noobies reading the first post of whatever kernel they which to flash, which lists the various features of the kernel and what each option does. Having said that, that makes this thread redundant in my eyes. But hey, if that's what you want then I'm all for it! (hence the contribution)
Happy Holidays!
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I dunno, I guess I envision noobies reading the first post of whatever kernel they which to flash, which lists the various features of the kernel and what each option does. Having said that, that makes this thread redundant in my eyes. But hey, if that's what you want then I'm all for it! (hence the contribution)
Happy Holidays!
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Fair enough. But not all features work as intended. Reading a feature list doesn't expose which things actually make the biggest difference.
For example, in my experience zRam helps multitasking, but often my phone grinds down to a slow pace with it. We might have noobs posting in Rom threads about how much lag the Rom has without realizing it's maybe the zRam they enabled just because it seems like a cool feature. Now there is more junk in the wrong threads.
Sure, they can read up on it elsewhere, but I thought it would be helpful to try and get one x specific info amalgamated into one place.
Also, with a new batch of kernels probably coming up soon with JB leaks maybe this will help kernel devs prioritize their development without a hundred people asking for stuff all the time.
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I see what you're saying.
What else do I like... I like the idea of OTG support although I have yet to use it. I also like the fps fix included with ElementalX for HDMI video.
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Fair enough. But not all features work as intended. Reading a feature list doesn't expose which things actually make the biggest difference.
For example, in my experience zRam helps multitasking, but often my phone grinds down to a slow pace with it. We might have noobs posting in Rom threads about how much lag the Rom has without realizing it's maybe the zRam they enabled just because it seems like a cool feature. Now there is more junk in the wrong threads.
Sure, they can read up on it elsewhere, but I thought it would be helpful to try and get one x specific info amalgamated into one place.
Also, with a new batch of kernels probably coming up soon with JB leaks maybe this will help kernel devs prioritize their development without a hundred people asking for stuff all the time.
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Zram shouldn't grind to a halt on this phone, maybe on older phones. Lowmemorykiller is still in effect and it's not writing to disk so it doesn't "thrash" like conventional swap. It's all written to fast ram and the performance penalty for compressing and decompressing is negligible with a fast dual core. I use it all the time.
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Zram shouldn't grind to a halt on this phone, maybe on older phones. Lowmemorykiller is still in effect and it's not writing to disk so it doesn't "thrash" like conventional swap. It's all written to fast ram and the performance penalty for compressing and decompressing is negligible with a fast dual core. I use it all the time.
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Well, If I can take anybody's word for it, its yours lol. It must have been something else then.
The only other thing I changed was starting to use chrome, and when I was multitasking between chrome and anything else it was super slow...even to reopen the keyboard.
This is the kind of discussion i'd like to foster in this thread. (even if it means being wrong)
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You're not necessarily wrong, I'm sure it could happen in certain situations. I find chrome to be very heavy on phones (complete opposite of chrome on the desktop). It may have kicked everything out of memory. That usually doesn't happen because most phone apps are fairly light.
Id love to see lulactive govener working on this phone but mabie thats not possible on my gs2 it is awsome for battery life.
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Id love to see lulactive govener working on this phone but mabie thats not possible on my gs2 it is awsome for battery life.
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Ya I agree, I usually underclock for battery purposes
Alright so I dont have a list but I am going to say that when I enable sweep2wake, I notice some lag all the way around the phone. Overclocking to 1728 has always been perfect for me. Can someone also look into otg on jellybean? I've been having alot of trouble getting that to work.
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Alright so I dont have a list but I am going to say that when I enable sweep2wake, I notice some lag all the way around the phone. Overclocking to 1728 has always been perfect for me. Can someone also look into otg on jellybean? I've been having alot of trouble getting that to work.
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I think otg is supported in the jb sense stock kernel. (NB If you go to storage, at the very bottom there is a bar for usb storage.)
However, I haven't tried it for myself yet. Reading around I saw that the first time you may need to leave it plugged in for a while for it to register. some users reported leaving the phone with otg plugged and coming back later and it had shown up.
I wish I could remember which rom thread that was...but that's basically all that was mentioned.
Edit: Also, I don't know if the stock jb kernel will self power the otg device. You may need the special cable, if you weren't already.
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What have you guys found to be your favorite app for overclocking? I'm trying to figure out which the best one is, but not sure where to begin. SetCPU? System Tuner? Daemon? Juice Defender? What have been your experiences, and what are you using now?
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Hi,
I think you will find that every ROM/KERNEL Developer has their own favorite.
I'm not sure that any single one is better than the next.
Try each one for yourself,and see how it works for you.
Thanks. I realize some ROM/kernel combinations are more synergistic than others. Currently on Pyramid 3D running Bricked 0.91, using System Tuner as recommended by Show. Not sure if the other ones support dual core.
So far I've tried OC Daemon, SetCPU, Juice Defender, and System Tuner. They all work well, but I'm not sure which one has the best performance to battery ratio. I'm pretty new to this overclocking thing, so trying to establish a baseline to which I can make comparison to, using XDA as a resource. Otherwise I'd be spending a week with each app. Granted, this would probably yield better results since I'd be more aware of the pros and cons of each relative to my personal requirements, but I was hoping I could just skip the learning curve if I could, naw meen.
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nrvnqsrxk said:
Thanks. I realize some ROM/kernel combinations are more synergistic than others. Currently on Pyramid 3D running Bricked 0.91, using System Tuner as recommended by Show. Not sure if the other ones support dual core.
So far I've tried OC Daemon, SetCPU, Juice Defender, and System Tuner. They all work well, but I'm not sure which one has the best performance to battery ratio. I'm pretty new to this overclocking thing, so trying to establish a baseline to which I can make comparison to, using XDA as a resource. Otherwise I'd be spending a week with each app. Granted, this would probably yield better results since I'd be more aware of the pros and cons of each relative to my personal requirements, but I was hoping I could just skip the learning curve if I could, naw meen.
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Hi,
Yes, I know what you mean.
In my experience,using MY phone the way I like to use it,is not the same as anyone else.
So, although I can get snippets of information from others, I will only truly find it out by myself.
I am of course referring to this script:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991276
I tried to implement it about two months ago, and it did not work for me. Phone went into a loop at boot. I just gave up.
Anyone?
It would be really nice to find out if we can benefit from this as well.
benyben123 said:
I am of course referring to this script:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991276
I tried to implement it about two months ago, and it did not work for me. Phone went into a loop at boot. I just gave up.
Anyone?
It would be really nice to find out if we can benefit from this as well.
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Instead of starting a new Thread why not post in the one you linked to. I am sure the ones there that tested it would be able to help. Any time you post in an old thread it will bring (bump) it to the top and btw it is still an active thread.
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Instead of starting a new Thread why not post in the one you linked to. I am sure the ones there that tested it would be able to help. Any time you post in an old thread it will bring (bump) it to the top and btw it is still an active thread.
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Thanks.
I posted it here because I am asking about LG G2x users. In the script thread, you won't find questions about specific devices so much. It's more on how to install, what does it do, and so on.
I tried it didn't bootloop or anything but I didn't notice any difference in performance etc.
I just started using the V6 supercharger about a month and a half ago on my LG G2x and have loved it. before this i was running minfree to change presets but I like V6 because it has lots of options for those that don't fully understand what the presets do. If you use a low setting you probably wont notice much of a difference and I must say that I notice the biggest difference when I am overclocked and using V6 at the same time. If I'm not overclocked and using V6 I don't notice much. same thing when I am just overclocked without V6, not much of a diff. Both together seem to be great.
Also to those with boot loop problems - how long are you leaving your phone before you decide it has looped...a few times i have just had to walk away from my phone for 15-20 minutes just so I'm not tempted to pull the battery and every time i have left it alone i come back to everything running fast, smooth and stable.
Currently running HellFire Phoenix 1.9
placebo effect.
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Yeah, "I get a performance gain when I'm overclocked with the script, but get no performance gain without OC and the script" so that would be the placebo effect.
However, V6 SuperCharger does work very well at setting the right OOM groupings and also makes everything a lot smoother for me. I'm underclocked to 750mhz and get the performance of the stock 1ghz.
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placebo effect.
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Eh, maybe, if you're on a lower end phone, I think the effect would be more noticeable as well, it would also be noticed if you ran alot of apps at once since multi tasking will take up more RAM than for someone like me who listens to music and browses the forum and maybe uses maps if I don't feel like paying attention to where I am at on the bus.
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Волк said:
Eh, maybe, if you're on a lower end phone, I think the effect would be more noticeable as well, it would also be noticed if you ran alot of apps at once since multi tasking will take up more RAM than for someone like me who listens to music and browses the forum and maybe uses maps if I don't feel like paying attention to where I am at on the bus.
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All true, but in hypocrats case it is complete placebo since he is using the lower setting.
He says he notices a performance gain with overclocking and the script, but none without overclocking and the script. Performance gain was all overclock.
But the higher settings work well, the script makes everything smooth, even for me at 750mhz, and will fix OOM groupings.
Maybe, but my battery life is better in standby and I have less issues with the stock internet browser. Below 100mb free and it became very buggy for me. I would love it if everyone shared what rom they are using and their settings. I am using close to the recommended settings.I am using New Clip (weapon based) and #5 unleaded.
Guys, could u please include in our kernel deep-sleep and fast dormancy patches?
u know that its not so hard. sure, i can do it myself, but i dont want one else toolchains and kernel trees on my laptop lol. deep-sleep and dorm succesfully work on moto atrix now with 2.6* kernels
also please include stat timers in kernel configs in future?
Would you like fries with that?
Can the kernal make me sandwiches too? You know its not very hard to do just three slices of bread, toasted, Mayo, lettuce, tomato but only if its fresh, two slices of Turkey and two slices of cheese. And cut into triangles with little toothpicks holding them together.
And just to proove I'm not a jerk: please.
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Can the kernal make me sandwiches too? You know its not very hard to do just three slices of bread, toasted, Mayo, lettuce, tomato but only if its fresh, two slices of Turkey and two slices of cheese. And cut into triangles with little toothpicks holding them together.
And just to proove I'm not a jerk: please.
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some times better joise yeat sandwiches then speak
tmp_do said:
Guys, could u please include in our kernel deep-sleep and fast dormancy patches?
u know that its not so hard. sure, i can do it myself, but i dont want one else toolchains and kernel trees on my laptop lol. deep-sleep and dorm succesfully work on moto atrix now with 2.6* kernels
also please include stat timers in kernel configs in future?
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Dude its not that easy to build a kernel.....building a rom is easy but not a kernel....
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Dude its not that easy to build a kernel.....building a rom is easy but not a kernel....
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lol u kidding me? i managed kernels for moto a1200 htc hero acer liquid and ac100 and i want wat i ask.
merge some diffs from current kernel tree not so hard, u dont need developming from zero. all already done.
I'm just lazy for that
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Also, it's been proven Deep idle does not save ANY more battery than regular .
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prooflink please. i seen against results
Let me just say please be mature.. don't answer post if you feel offended and let it rott like spme others.. plz keep the community clean.
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tmp_do said:
Guys, could u please include in our kernel deep-sleep and fast dormancy patches?
u know that its not so hard. sure, i can do it myself, but i dont want one else toolchains and kernel trees on my laptop lol. deep-sleep and dorm succesfully work on moto atrix now with 2.6* kernels
also please include stat timers in kernel configs in future?
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You know what you should do?
.........cry about it.
I can get 8 days battery life just leaving my G2x sitting there. That's proof enough that deep sleep don't do sheeeit.
Oh come on people, those requests are completely valid. Though, OP, next time don't "of course I could do it myself".
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Oh come on people, those requests are completely valid. Though, OP, next time don't "of course I could do it myself".
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They're unnecessary and since no one had ever used those on a G2x kernel before, I'm assuming it would take time to figure it out. Time that would be wasted since the two things he is requesting don't help our phone at all. If he can do it himself, then he'll do it himself.
Well, those patches should increase the battery life which is pretty bad on our phone right now. My 1980mah battery did improve the situation a little, but it still doesnt come close to sony ericsson x10 or nexus s that i owned before.
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I haven't really had any battery life issues. I charge my phone at night, and then use it all day.
If I go crazy with games and tethering I might have to plug it in for a few minutes during the day, but battery life doesn't seem any worse than other phones.
Just so the OP doesn't think I'm dogging on him, there are kernel patches I've wanted before also. I'd like a kernel that supports netfilter patches so I could use a nicer wifi tether app:
http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/wiki/FAQ
But, if it can't or won't happen, I'm fine without it. If I could do it myself, I wouldn't post about being too lazy to do it.
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Well, those patches should increase the battery life which is pretty bad on our phone right now. My 1980mah battery did improve the situation a little, but it still doesnt come close to sony ericsson x10 or nexus s that i owned before.
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No, they won't. I can get over a week just leaving my phone there. Which should make it pretty clear that we don't need it.
tmp_do said:
Guys, could u please include in our kernel deep-sleep and fast dormancy patches?
u know that its not so hard. sure, i can do it myself, but i dont want one else toolchains and kernel trees on my laptop lol. deep-sleep and dorm succesfully work on moto atrix now with 2.6* kernels
also please include stat timers in kernel configs in future?
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ok, ill start by saying im only just now getting into how the Linux kernel works on ARM devices, so i might need a real dev to confirm some of this...
deep-sleep is just a name for a sleep state on some chipsets (i think Samsung mostly uses it) tegra2 has sleep states as well, infact we have a few (LP2 and LP3 just off the top of my head) and deep-sleep is not really needed on our devices (if its even possible to implement on this device)
tegra2 as a chip itself is perfectly capable of sleeping, and does so very well, NVidia even went so far as to make their own proprietary "governor" (if you can call it that) to control speed and voltages, as well as shut down a core when its not needed. so rest assured that when its not needed, our phone is already using as little power as it can.
with regards to fast-dormancy, seeing as the base-band/radio chip in our devices is already 'flaky' at best, do you really want you phone doing the equivalent of going into 'airplane mode' every time its done sending a message? plus, unless t-mobile can use an optimized version of it (which i don't think they do) its been shown to actually increase network usage, and decrease battery life due to constantly negotiating network connections and disconnections.
also, im going to assume by stat timers you mean 'time in state', in which case that is a HUGE undertaking including rebuilding major parts of the kernel if its even possible on tegra chipsets. plus, its really only useful to see if your phone is actually sleeping, which there are other ways to do this, although they are a bit tougher.
and finally, i don't know how you meant you question to come across, put please try to be more considerate with how you phrase things. these devs, for the most part, are doing this because they want to. nobody is paying them to work on our phones (aside from an occasional donation from time to time) and they do have jobs, lives, and families outside of these phones. and despite how easy you say it is, ive been studying the kernel in this phone for almost 2 months now, pouring over forums, datasheets, and many many many versions of kernels by morfic and faux123 and im only just beginning to understand the basic ways that things are done.
hope this clears some stuff up
Thank Klathmon, for the explanation.
I am still kinda confused though, OP said Deep Sleep has been implemented into an Atrix kernel which has the same tegra chip. Maybe you are right and they just refer to one of the low power states as deep sleep. Also I tried googling for deep sleep in atrix and nothing came up
Thanks for detailed response. I think i understand all the subtleties.
So mods, please delete thread
Its an app, but its requires no user interventions and is more of a "tweak", so I thought I'd bring it to the general skyrocket populous lol.
Will be testing for the next few days, try it out as well if u want, or not, but weigh in with your opinions.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987032
Thanks
ive tried seeder icenight when running the Embryo 6.0/.1 and stock didnt see any difference at personally
It's already been debunked, but use it if you want, all you are doing is wasting battery.
Xda did a thing on it when it first came out. Then they apologized for not researching what it did first lol.
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It's already been debunked, but use it if you want, all you are doing is wasting battery.
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Yeah didn't do much for me so I just figures it was whatever
I've used Seeder since my days in the Captivate Glide forum. Our device is powerful enough to where the boost is minute, but it is noticeable.... It seems to be even better suited for earlier versions of Android and devices with lower specs.
So I keep hearing complaints about "lag" with the Galaxy S4. Some of you have it and some don't.
Well, debloating your ROM (removing junk apps that you don't use) will typically reduce lag since these extra apps aren't fighting for system resources. But that doesn't work for everyone.
Another thing to do is to flash an AOSP (android open source project) ROM. These ROM's (including gapps) are usually less than 300MB in total size, while a stock or even debloated stock TouchWiz ROM are almost always 800MB to 1.3+GB in size.
Another thing you can try is to install "Seeder". Some folks will suggest it doesn't really do anything for you. Some others will say it uses up a lot of battery. So I guess every application is different. Because for me, even with an AOSP ROM, I seem to get slightly faster system response time when I click on something. And I've left my phone alone over eight+hours and checked battery useage and don't see Seeder anywhere taking up any battery.
Here is the Seeder main application thread. There, you can "thank" the developer (lambgx02) and also ask questions about the app. You can also download Seeder from that thread for free.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987032
Or, you can be a nice person and "buy" the app from the Play Store. At less than $2, it's not very expensive.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lcis.seeder&hl=en
You can either read about how/why the app works or doesn't. Or you can try it for yourself.
For me, it's a must-have on the S4 since even AOSP ROM's still have a small amount of lag when compared with the smoothed-out ROM's on the S3.\
REQUIREMENTS:
-Rooted ROM
-Canadian or USA or Euro S4's, it works for all of them.
-TouchWiz or AOSP, it doesn't matter which.
So, here's how to install it:
1) Download Seeder to your internal or external SD card. It doesn't matter where.
2) Using Root Explorer (or your file browser of choice), locate and click on the seeder.apk.
3) Select "Install".
4) Select "Install" again.
5) Click "open".
6) Read the disclaimer and click "OK".
7) Grant root permissions:
8) Make your settings identical to mine (to start with). I've actually since changed mine from "Moderate" to "Aggressive" because I noticed no change in battery life. So, why not.
9) Now reboot.
10) Wait two minutes after the phone comes back up (to allow background start-up processes to finish) and start using phone normally.
Good luck, hope it works for you as well as it works for me. This is not a "cure-all" for lag, but it should help speed up an otherwise healthy system.
Don't expect miracles either. Only a really fubard'd ROM might show HUGE differences. But this app will probably help a little bit.
I had tried this program on my ATT GNOTE after the new JB update that seemed to slow everyone's phones to a crawl. It did help somewhat, but not enough for it to become bearable.. Caved and bought the S4. Seems like the app DOES work.
This app is a myth that has been busted even by the xda portal.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/entropy-seed-generator-not-all-its-hacked-up-to-be/
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Try this instead
plwalsh88 said:
This app is a myth that has been busted even by the xda portal.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/entropy-seed-generator-not-all-its-hacked-up-to-be/
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I endorse the posting of this link. I actually intended to do so in the OP when I was typing up the original post (and lost it all to a BSOD).
The article refers more to the theory behind the "fix".
But end results are end results, and the app works for some people. It also does not work for some other folks.
Like I said in the OP, try it and see how it works for you.
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I endorse the posting of this link. I actually intended to do so in the OP when I was typing up the original post (and lost it all to a BSOD).
The article refers more to the theory behind the "fix".
But end results are end results, and the app works for some people. It also does not work for some other folks.
Like I said in the OP, try it and see how it works for you.
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Right, and it shows that the theory behind the "fix" is flawed, having no effect on app execution. The only positive performance you're seeing is a result of boosting CPU speeds. It's not saying you're not seeing results. It's just that you're seeing them for the wrong reason; the same of which can be achieved by changing your CPU governor.
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the same of which can be achieved by changing your CPU governor.
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Negative. Because I've seen results on top of overlocking and governor changes.
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Negative. Because I've seen results on top of overlocking and governor changes.
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I highly, highly doubt any other positive effects can be discernible on top of overclocking.
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The system lags because touchwiz has many many features beyond those that you can just simply remove with titanium backup and such, there are a lot of features;what they seem to call them. That adjust color and lighting beyond ambient at all times no matter what. Samsung needs to release an update which I know they're cooking up, that optimizes these resource hog and debugs that are constantly running in the background... Let's just hope we get it soon and not have to wait till 4.3 to get it. The only way to get rid of all of the lag is to switch to also otherwise there will always be a tad amount of it, until samsung fixes it themselves; there's only so much developers can conjure up
The only way to get rid of the lag is by installing a custom ROM, either AOSP/AOKP or a TW based ROM like Omega or Winam. Then installing a custom, polished kernel like KT's kernel. Then disabling the scroll cache.
That makes this thing run like it should have in the first place.
Yeah seeder sucks sorry to say its not actually doing much.