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what direction should phone cpus go, faster or multi-core???

Hey Everyone
Wasn't really sure where this post should go since it's not really dev or hacking related but it didn't really seem to fit in any of the other subforums either :-(
I was wondering what everyone's take on the future of smart phone processors is, I mean what seems to be a better road to travel: multi-core cpus or faster and faster cpus?
I ask because we already have 1ghz phones and motorola is talking about a 2ghz phone by years end and then there are the dual core chips that have been rumored to be circulating from qualcom.
How beneficial would multi-core chips be in reality on a phone? I could see maybe having the phone os running on one core and then all apps operating on a second core but I doubt that is the way things would get implemented.

dsMA said:
How beneficial would multi-core chips be in reality on a phone? I could see maybe having the phone os running on one core and then all apps operating on a second core but I doubt that is the way things would get implemented.
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Considering that adding cores is the way that PC chips overcame physical limitations in clock speed, I think that's the way it's going to go. Phones can't run nearly as hot as PCs and still be considered to run within acceptable levels, so I'd say having a multitude of relatively slow cores would be beneficial (most Android apps are multithreaded anyway, so they can already take advantage of multiple cores).

I was just wondering if I should make the leap for a ghz phone this year or hold out for the first multi-core phones next year.
How are most Android apps threaded?
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Android apps, like pretty much any GUI app, have a UI thread and however many worker threads you need (especially if you're reading network/file data). Any time you see the ProgressDialog, threads are running around doing their thing.
Invariably you will always purchase a phone immediately before it becomes obsolete, so what's the use of waiting? If you stand to gain from a 1GHz phone, just go for it. The next time you upgrade there will be multi-core processors, and if not, the processor might run so hot you have an app that actually can make coffee for you.

IMHO - I'd rather have better battery life than multiple CPUs.
While more speed is nice, a realistic battery life is essential.

¿GotJazz? said:
IMHO - I'd rather have better battery life than multiple CPUs.
While more speed is nice, a realistic battery life is essential.
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I'd rather have both. Nowadays, realistic battery life is somewhere in between 16-24 hours with normal to heavy use. I can do that now. 16 and more hours is very good, as long as you don't live in the jungle with no sockets.
And while it will be difficult to achieve such battery life with more cores, I think that a well designed SoC can do it.

very interesting topic for discussion, my thing is what are we gonna do with a dual core Cpu in a smart ph. I mean if you can give me a high end ph with a single core processor with above average battery life I would take that over say a dual core processor with below average or just average battery life.
It all comes down to what one is willing to sacrifice for power and speed...

faster, no.
more cores, no.
lower power, yes.
dedicated mobile gpu, HELL YESS!

what is.................
jahnile said:
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Multi core all the way!!!
More power!
I'll probably get a 10" tablet for my next phone anyway, and do all my talking by earpiece.
As for battery life, we do not need gimped hardware. What we need is for phone manufacturers to get over the fixation on smaller, lighter phones. The Vibrant is so thin I can hardly pick it up without touching the screen SOMEWHERE.
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daveob said:
what is.................
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ph-one... like phone maybe?
And I agree about the waiting game. There is almost no point in waiting for anything because it will most certainly be outdone within months. For me a reasonable "wait" would be under a month from when I choose to change my phone. (Come on Epic...)
I believe multi-core will eventually catch on, just like in pc's, but now I'm mainly focused on the success of a good combo of cpu/gpu. (Come on Epic...)

steve.h said:
Android apps, like pretty much any GUI app, have a UI thread and however many worker threads you need (especially if you're reading network/file data). Any time you see the ProgressDialog, threads are running around doing their thing.
Invariably you will always purchase a phone immediately before it becomes obsolete, so what's the use of waiting? If you stand to gain from a 1GHz phone, just go for it. The next time you upgrade there will be multi-core processors, and if not, the processor might run so hot you have an app that actually can make coffee for you.
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I am up for renewal in Nov. I am on Sprint so it is shaping up to be a decision between EVO and Epic. I don't care for slide out keyboards but I am leaning towards Epic.
It just seems like this generation of phones is already obsolete (with the rumored 2ghz motorola and possibly dual core ultimate tmobile phone) and they are just starting to come out.
What I really need is a keyboard that doesn't lag lol

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I'd rather have both. Nowadays, realistic battery life is somewhere in between 16-24 hours with normal to heavy use. I can do that now. 16 and more hours is very good, as long as you don't live in the jungle with no sockets.
And while it will be difficult to achieve such battery life with more cores, I think that a well designed SoC can do it.
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16-24hrs with normal to heavy use...what phone are you using? I am on a htc hero and if lucky can get maybe 14hrs on with 3 to 4hrs of use :-( and that is with light txting and twitter reading.

dsMA said:
16-24hrs with normal to heavy use...what phone are you using? I am on a htc hero and if lucky can get maybe 14hrs on with 3 to 4hrs of use :-( and that is with light txting and twitter reading.
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With heavy browsing/texting all day at my 9-5, and plenty of use at night, I unplug from the charger at 6AM and by the time I get home around 6 I'm usually at ~ 50% battery with the aforementioned heavy usage. I'm running the Darchdroid rom. before I rooted etc I was getting like 6 hours with heavy use, it's insane what the roms can do. Try it if you haven't yet!
I'll be happy with my Hero for awhile as far as a phone goes, but I'm really interested to see what the tablets coming out this fall have to offer, speed-wise.

Col.Kernel said:
As for battery life, we do not need gimped hardware. What we need is for phone manufacturers to get over the fixation on smaller, lighter phones. The Vibrant is so thin I can hardly pick it up without touching the screen SOMEWHERE.
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I was thinking that the Galaxy S series is an ideal candidate for some kind of extended battery. It's already so thin and light, it wouldn't hurt to add more weight and a bit of depth, and since the back cover is one plastic piece, that could be replaced with one accommodating a larger battery without producing odd bulges.

manonbr said:
With heavy browsing/texting all day at my 9-5, and plenty of use at night, I unplug from the charger at 6AM and by the time I get home around 6 I'm usually at ~ 50% battery with the aforementioned heavy usage. I'm running the Darchdroid rom. before I rooted etc I was getting like 6 hours with heavy use, it's insane what the roms can do. Try it if you haven't yet!
I'll be happy with my Hero for awhile as far as a phone goes, but I'm really interested to see what the tablets coming out this fall have to offer, speed-wise.
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I am using Alyosius 2.1.2. It combines both sense and asop. I like sense and I need the asop contacts app to limit which contact groups are displayed in both contacts and people. I also have a really hard time with any oc kernel :-( I think I tired the new uv/oc kernel and never was able to get past the boot screen :-(
I have been thinking about doing doing another backup and trying it again to see what happens.

Mithent said:
I was thinking that the Galaxy S series is an ideal candidate for some kind of extended battery. It's already so thin and light, it wouldn't hurt to add more weight and a bit of depth, and since the back cover is one plastic piece, that could be replaced with one accommodating a larger battery without producing odd bulges.
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Hopefully there will be larger replacement batteries and accompanying faceplates for the galaxy s. Someone wrote that it is easy to find after market battery and faceplates for htc phones but I haven't really found any in particular for my hero.

I see them going with more cores. Android is made for multicores. The higher the clock speed goes up, the more energy used and wasted as heat. Thats why desktop CPU's have moved on to adding cores rather than increasing clock speeds. Battery technology also has MUCH room for improvement. As do core efficiency's. However our need for more speed and processing power is only going to continue to increase. I think Android 3.0 is going to really put the underutilized GPU to work to offload much of that GUI from the cpu(s). And GPU's are all about multithreading (basically) too.

What makes you think 3.0 is going to utilize the gpu for general purpose processing?
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The main advantage of an embedded multi core solution is for lower power not higher speed. The multi cores split tasks and all run slower to achieve things within the same timeframe.
Don't think about PC's as a comparison the silicon manufacturers aren't thinking this way.

G2x or wait for Sensation?

Well I've got about $450 that I'm going to use to buy a G2x (probably for a lot cheaper since they are going for $350-$400 locally) BUT I'm wondering if it's worth buying it now seeing as the Sensation is coming out June 8th. I'm guessing it will be $500 off contract as usual so should I save my money, buy some last gen phone and wait for the Sensation or should I buy the G2x and hope the price doesn't fall too low by next month and try to sell it?

I would go with the G2X if your looking for more development. The Sensation is supposed to be pretty locked down.

I think the sensation will be the better phone out of the box but like was said, it will be locked down so probably won't have much dev support.
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Hmm, well other phones have had locked boot loaders and had decent support no? If not then yeah I guess I'll stick with the G2x, I prefer development over out of the box performance.

Yea I was wondering the samething. Might get both one for me and the other for the wife. Hope the Sensation is easy to MOD since I'll be coming from the HD2.

cordaylec said:
Yea I was wondering the samething. Might get both one for me and the other for the wife. Hope the Sensation is easy to MOD since I'll be coming from the HD2.
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It won't be nearly as open as the HD2 and as far as modding I'm sure it'd be easier but it will probably take a while for devs to figure out how to unlock the bootloader.

I am sending my G2x back. It just doesn't seem that impressive. It doesn't feel like as big of a leap forward as I was hoping. I might get the Sensation.

crawler9 said:
I am sending my G2x back. It just doesn't seem that impressive. It doesn't feel like as big of a leap forward as I was hoping. I might get the Sensation.
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A big leap coming from which device?
It's just the first Tegra 2 phone that's why. It's not THAT impressive, but the UI speed is noticeably faster.

Serious_Beans said:
...it will probably take a while for devs to figure out how to unlock the bootloader.
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Assuming they do at all.

Step666 said:
Assuming they do at all.
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Yeah :/ I hope they do because it's a really nice device, design and specs, but the SGS2 looks pretty sick, and with quadrant scores of 3500, that's impressive and it's already been OC'd to 1.5ghz. Quadrant scores don't matter really much, and I don't really like the way it looks, I prefer the design of the Sensation so I really do hope that someone figures out a way to unlock the bootloader and if not I'm sticking with the G2x.

The Galaxy S2's specs are better IMO - the CPU seems to be more capable, it has more RAM and the slight increase in screen res doesn't really make up for the difference between S-LCD and S-AMOLED+.
Not to mention it's so light...

@OP: What device you have now? I personally wouldn't recommend upgrading right now, wait until end of the year at least. Mobile technology is in that stage right now where a 6 month old phone is "outdated".
And I would definitely wait for Sensation to see how things go down and see if bootloader is encrypted and then maybe make your decision.
The Galaxy S2's specs are better IMO - the CPU seems to be more capable
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That's subjective.
it has more RAM
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Yep +1
slight increase in screen res doesn't really make up for the difference between S-LCD and S-AMOLED+.
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Sure it does! Just look at the difference between 2 30" monitors, one running at 1920x1080 and other at 2560x1600, the difference is HUGE. Plus I would take close to accurate colors over somewhat saturated colors any day.
Not to mention it's so light...
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That's a down point for many people including me, I need to feel some weight to a phone. Also Galaxy is made out of plastic which also is a thumbs down from me.

ErOR22 said:
That's subjective.
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Not really.
It's posted some ridiculous benchmarks, which it's true mean very little individually but when you take them all together, it speaks volumes.
ErOR22 said:
Sure it does! Just look at the difference between 2 30" monitors, one running at 1920x1080 and other at 2560x1600, the difference is HUGE. Plus I would take close to accurate colors over somewhat saturated colors any day.
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Now you're just being ridiculous.
It's more like the difference between 1920x1200 and 1920x1080.
qHD is half-arsed BS, it's an excuse for manufacturers to avoid actually improving screen resolutions in a meaningful way.
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That's a down point for many people including me, I need to feel some weight to a phone.
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But not necessarily for the OP.

g2x quadrant test blows any phone of the planet with its dual core processor

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Not really.
It's posted some ridiculous benchmarks, which it's true mean very little individually but when you take them all together, it speaks volumes.
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Well from what I have seen I wasn't THAT impressed. It's better for sure but for how much these things cost I'm not sure it's worth it.
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Now you're just being ridiculous.
It's more like the difference between 1920x1200 and 1920x1080.
qHD is half-arsed BS, it's an excuse for manufacturers to avoid actually improving screen resolutions in a meaningful way
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I knew you were gonna say that and well after thinking about it for a bit I must say I was being a bit ridiculous.
But unless there are more powerful GPUs in phones they can't really up the resolution that much. Look at the ASUS Transformer tablet (I think that's the name), quite a bit of lag.
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But not necessarily for the OP.
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Of course but I was just stating my opinion and fact in case OP wasn't aware of that.
Anyway I think either phone is great it's just a matter of preference and it's ability to be unlocked and flashed.
EDIT: My DHD at stock speed achieves around 2300 Quadrant and 37fps in NenaMark. At 1.6Ghz Quadrant scores around 3300 and NenaMark is around 46fps. Going higher didn't do much difference as the device is majorly undervolted.
Is the extra cost really worth the extra performance?

ErOR22 said:
Well from what I have seen I wasn't THAT impressed. It's better for sure but for how much these things cost I'm not sure it's worth it.
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It generally out-does the Tegra2-based handsets by about 20% if memory serves (which makes sense since they're both built around the same ARM architecture and the Exynos CPU in the Galaxy S2 is clocked 20% faster) but like all these things, you get the odd benchmark that seems to go against the flow as it were.
On the other hand, the benchmarks for the 1.5GHz MSM8660 dev hardware weren't generally 50% better than than the Tegra2 benchmarks, which leaves me thinking that down-clocked to 1.2GHz like the Sensation and Evo 3D will use, it won't be able to compete with the Exynos.
Of course, these are all synthetic benchmarks and not indicative of real-world performance but combined with the higher screen resolution and less RAM, I have a suspicion the Sensation won't feel as smooth or as quick as the Galaxy S2.
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I knew you were gonna say that and well after thinking about it for a bit I must say I was being a bit ridiculous.
But unless there are more powerful GPUs in phones they can't really up the resolution that much. Look at the ASUS Transformer tablet (I think that's the name), quite a bit of lag.
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Well, if they were to push higher screen resolutions, manufacturers could always use something like the SGX543 GPU the iPad2 uses - it's supposed to be an improved version of the SGX540 the original Galaxy S uses, which is still one of the best GPUs in use in mobile phones just now.
As for the Transformer, I'm a bit surprised - I thought the reviews were generally very positive, much more so than those of the Xoom and the new Acer tablet.
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ErOR22 said:
EDIT: My DHD at stock speed achieves around 2300 Quadrant and 37fps in NenaMark. At 1.6Ghz Quadrant scores around 3300 and NenaMark is around 46fps. Going higher didn't do much difference as the device is majorly undervolted.
Is the extra cost really worth the extra performance?
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I can't speak for New Zealand but over here the SIM-free and contract prices for the Galaxy S2 are the same as they were for the Desire HD when it was first launched.
Obviously it's come down in price since then but so will the Samsung in time.

I personally dislike the light feeling of the Galaxy S series. The only one that wasn't so bad was the Nexus S, it had a decent weight to it, but I prefer heavier phones. Also I really love SAMOLED Technology, and I heard SAMOLED+ is even better.
As far as benchmarks and speed, if the UI is smooth after a certain point you can't really tell if it's any smoother.
Also if the G2x has better development that means overclocking and improved kernels and roms which would make it better than the Sensation. I really like the specs of the SGS2 but if it's as light as the Vibrant I will hate it. Currently I'm using no phone lol and I don't feel justified paying $250 for a Nexus One or $375 for a Nexus S when I can get a G2x locally for $350 which is what I'm going to pick it up for tomorrow. I'm really hoping after this leap in phone processing power they will focus on battery and screen resolution. Every screen should be SAMOLED+ and Retina Display with a weeks worth of battery. I'm sure the technology for it exists already...hell they could use tiny fuel cells to power everything, but most big battery companies have patented that technology so fail there.

I know it doesn't mean that much but, I just ran my first quadrant score and it was 2725 on the G2x I got today.
I'm really liking this phone! I have to order some kind of protection for it now.

tooter1 said:
I know it doesn't mean that much but, I just ran my first quadrant score and it was 2725 on the G2x I got today.
I'm really liking this phone! I have to order some kind of protection for it now.
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That's pretty high! I'm hoping to keep my next phone for AT LEAST 6 months. The last phone I had was my LE Nexus S(which got scammed :/ ) which I had for about 4 months? Maybe a little less, but if the only phones I have to look forward to are the Sensation and SGS2 I might just keep the G2x. Will have to see how the SGS2 feels in hand.

I got a 3200 quadrant on my Vibrant, overclocked at 1.42!

People need to chill out about rooting and comparisons to the SGS2

I got my Sensation today and honestly from reading all the impressions you guys left, I had the notion that the phone would be really laggy and stutter quite often. Not the case at all. I haven't had one instance yet where the phone stuttered to the point where it bothered me.
People, calm the hell down about needing to root this phone ASAP or comparing it to the SGS2. Sure, the SGS2 is a beast phone and scores higher on benchmarks, but at the end of the day there's minimal difference with actual performance. Your emails won't load any faster, web sites won't load any faster, text messaging isn't any faster etc. you get the point. People spend so much effort trying to persuade others why one phone is better than the other when the differences are so minimal that a normal person wouldn't even notice. Who gives a damn if you score over 3,000 in quadrant, it's not going to make you enjoy the phone any more than you do now.
Sure, the SGS2's camera may be slightly better or the Sensation has a better overall design, but who gives a damn. Get the phone you like and move on with your life. Why lurk these forums all day trying to prove why your phone is the best? It's immature as hell and makes these forums seem like a joke.
Basically, stop acting like little kids about which phone is better or how the phone sucks because it needs custom roms. The differences are minimal. There's nothing wrong with this phone. You guys must be sitting in your room all day purposely trying to get your phone to lag or freeze up. For those of us who use the phones like normal people, there isn't a damn thing wrong. Seeing comments like "Mali 400 pwnz Adreno 220, Sensation suxx!!" makes me shake my head. People here are fools thinking it'll ever make a difference.

making another thread about it isn't helping. :-/

Actually, overclocking does make your apps load faster. I don't overclock my phone for bragging rights, I do it for speed
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Agree completely with everything you said.

AGREE with everything you said . Well said
Arcadia310 said:
I got my Sensation today and honestly from reading all the impressions you guys left, I had the notion that the phone would be really laggy and stutter quite often. Not the case at all. I haven't had one instance yet where the phone stuttered to the point where it bothered me.
People, calm the hell down about needing to root this phone ASAP or comparing it to the SGS2. Sure, the SGS2 is a beast phone and scores higher on benchmarks, but at the end of the day there's minimal difference with actual performance. Your emails won't load any faster, web sites won't load any faster, text messaging isn't any faster etc. you get the point. People spend so much effort trying to persuade others why one phone is better than the other when the differences are so minimal that a normal person wouldn't even notice. Who gives a damn if you score over 3,000 in quadrant, it's not going to make you enjoy the phone any more than you do now.
Sure, the SGS2's camera may be slightly better or the Sensation has a better overall design, but who gives a damn. Get the phone you like and move on with your life. Why lurk these forums all day trying to prove why your phone is the best? It's immature as hell and makes these forums seem like a joke.
Basically, stop acting like little kids about which phone is better or how the phone sucks because it needs custom roms. The differences are minimal. There's nothing wrong with this phone. You guys must be sitting in your room all day purposely trying to get your phone to lag or freeze up. For those of us who use the phones like normal people, there isn't a damn thing wrong. Seeing comments like "Mali 400 pwnz Adreno 220, Sensation suxx!!" makes me shake my head. People here are fools thinking it'll ever make a difference.
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I got my Sensation today and honestly from reading all the impressions you guys left, I had the notion that the phone would be really laggy and stutter quite often. Not the case at all. I haven't had one instance yet where the phone stuttered to the point where it bothered me.
People, calm the hell down about needing to root this phone ASAP or comparing it to the SGS2. Sure, the SGS2 is a beast phone and scores higher on benchmarks, but at the end of the day there's minimal difference with actual performance. Your emails won't load any faster, web sites won't load any faster, text messaging isn't any faster etc. you get the point. People spend so much effort trying to persuade others why one phone is better than the other when the differences are so minimal that a normal person wouldn't even notice. Who gives a damn if you score over 3,000 in quadrant, it's not going to make you enjoy the phone any more than you do now.
Sure, the SGS2's camera may be slightly better or the Sensation has a better overall design, but who gives a damn. Get the phone you like and move on with your life. Why lurk these forums all day trying to prove why your phone is the best? It's immature as hell and makes these forums seem like a joke.
Basically, stop acting like little kids about which phone is better or how the phone sucks because it needs custom roms. The differences are minimal. There's nothing wrong with this phone. You guys must be sitting in your room all day purposely trying to get your phone to lag or freeze up. For those of us who use the phones like normal people, there isn't a damn thing wrong. Seeing comments like "Mali 400 pwnz Adreno 220, Sensation suxx!!" makes me shake my head. People here are fools thinking it'll ever make a difference.
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Flippy125 said:
Actually, overclocking does make your apps load faster. I don't overclock my phone for bragging rights, I do it for speed
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+1
With overclocking comes underclocking too for power saving

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People say **** about phones they dont have and base there option about the phone from what others say that's called followers unless u willing to pay 800 for a imported sgs2 dont bother wasting your time I learned from last time when the vibrant came out we won't get that exact phone there using we if tmobile get it will be a stripped down version of that phone and we wont see that phone for another year by then quad core phones will be the new thing and u guys will be yelping about some other phone android phone makers need to slow down with new devices and google need to slow down with new operating systems they makr it hard for game developers and app developers to bring really good apps to android cuzz to many systems and specs differences there should be a base system that allow all operatiing system to use the same stuff just cuzz u running froyo u still should be able to use gingerbread apps netflix and a few other app wont work I thing they just want people to stress about stuff cuzz of a few new add ons gingerbread ain't to much different to me I got the sensation

If you just need internet browsing, text messaging and opening emails, why the hell did you take a Sensation? Do you need a dual core and an Adreno for this? No!
For every gamer, looking at Tegra2 games, we feel screwed up. For every tweaker, we feel screwed up.
As long as you want to use some very powerful apps like N64 or NDS emulator, you're screwed up...
For everyone wishing better battery life, you need root, screwed up
It's not acting like a child to chose a dual core high performance device because we want something else than internet browsing, text messaging and opening emails and to feel so disappointed because our 3D results are weak.
If I just wanted to send emails or browse the web, an OMAP 800MHZ CPU is enough, even my old toshiba TG01 is enough.
I didn't chose the Sensation for this, so I disagree with you completly.

Get a playstation 3 or an Xbox 360, im sure they would smoke any tegra game or any other game out there
i900frenchaddict said:
If you just need internet browsing, text messaging and opening emails, why the hell did you take a Sensation? Do you need a dual core and an Adreno for this? No!
For every gamer, looking at Tegra2 games, we feel screwed up. For every tweaker, we feel screwed up.
As long as you want to use some very powerful apps like N64 or NDS emulator, you're screwed up...
For everyone wishing better battery life, you need root, screwed up
It's not acting like a child to chose a dual core high performance device because we want something else than internet browsing, text messaging and opening emails and to feel so disappointed because our 3D results are weak.
If I just wanted to send emails or browse the web, an OMAP 800MHZ CPU is enough, even my old toshiba TG01 is enough.
I didn't chose the Sensation for this, so I disagree with you completly.
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ikhzter said:
Get a playstation 3 or an Xbox 360, im sure they would smoke any tegra game or any other game out there
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I already have an PS3, but don't be childish, once more: what the point of having a dual core + Adreno if it's not for 3D rendering?
Text messaging?
Nonsense!
Of course, if you just need to do phone calls, you'll find the Sensation is huge...
but also you may have paid a lot for nothing, go and buy an old Nokia with black and white screen if you don't care of 3D performances.

theres just something to be said about the opening post and he hit it on the head. no need to commence arguing. just move on.

These graphic scores have to be put into context too. The sensation is pushing a higher res screen with 25% ... (I think..please correct me if I am wrong) more pixels. So yes it is bound to have lower scores but...it is not a fair comparoson.
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in a phone i like having three things , a good browser, good camera ,and since the hd2 spoiled me a 4.3 inch screen , anything more than that really is just obnoxious , IMO 4.3 is perfect , i take alot of pics cause i have kids ,the hd2 had all those things , and the sensation made them better,samsung phones IMO are like a pinto with a ferrari engine,i dont like touch wiz so any phone they make is automatically out for me

bonebeatz1234 said:
People say **** about phones they dont have and base there option about the phone from what others say that's called followers unless u willing to pay 800 for a imported sgs2 dont bother wasting your time I learned from last time when the vibrant came out we won't get that exact phone there using we if tmobile get it will be a stripped down version of that phone and we wont see that phone for another year by then quad core phones will be the new thing and u guys will be yelping about some other phone android phone makers need to slow down with new devices and google need to slow down with new operating systems they makr it hard for game developers and app developers to bring really good apps to android cuzz to many systems and specs differences there should be a base system that allow all operatiing system to use the same stuff just cuzz u running froyo u still should be able to use gingerbread apps netflix and a few other app wont work I thing they just want people to stress about stuff cuzz of a few new add ons gingerbread ain't to much different to me I got the sensation
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There is a new thing out called punctuation. That mess is unreadable.

pixel-painter said:
These graphic scores have to be put into context too. The sensation is pushing a higher res screen with 25% ... (I think..please correct me if I am wrong) more pixels. So yes it is bound to have lower scores but...it is not a fair comparoson.
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Actually, it's kinda right, yes, I remember my i900 Omnia kicking the ass of the HTC diamond mainly because it had less pixels to display
But here, performances aren't 25% under a GS2, it's 50% under, whatever the bench. Worse, for most of the bench, the Sensation is under the Xplay, the DHD, etc

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There is a new thing out called punctuation. That mess is unreadable.
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i can read it and this is not school

i900frenchaddict said:
If you just need internet browsing, text messaging and opening emails, why the hell did you take a Sensation? Do you need a dual core and an Adreno for this? No!
For every gamer, looking at Tegra2 games, we feel screwed up. For every tweaker, we feel screwed up.
As long as you want to use some very powerful apps like N64 or NDS emulator, you're screwed up...
For everyone wishing better battery life, you need root, screwed up
It's not acting like a child to chose a dual core high performance device because we want something else than internet browsing, text messaging and opening emails and to feel so disappointed because our 3D results are weak.
If I just wanted to send emails or browse the web, an OMAP 800MHZ CPU is enough, even my old toshiba TG01 is enough.
I didn't chose the Sensation for this, so I disagree with you completly.
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Seems like cellphone and gaming is your entire life.
If you use your cellphone just for gaming, you're screwed. If you use your cellphone to check 3D, you're screwed. If you use your cellphone and have empty contact list because you play too much games, you're screwed.
Maybe you need to learn about the real world and stop complaining about gaming and 3D crap because it is a CELLPHONE not some high powered gaming console that can play all the latest games that came out for your PS3 or XBOX. Bring your PS3 and some LED TV with you outside and lets see how you'll look with it. I'm pretty sure an average person doesn't even know what a Tegra is, because I sure as hell don't until I got my G2X.......the games are not even that good. Let's face it, you need to get out of your room and meet people and maybe you can use your cellphone to call them.

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samsung phones IMO are like a pinto with a ferrari engine
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I used to say the same exact thing! When I had the Vibrant, I nicknamed it "My 'lil Pinto".
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Seems like cellphone and gaming is your entire life.
If you use your cellphone just for gaming, you're screwed. If you use your cellphone to check 3D, you're screwed. If you use your cellphone and have empty contact list because you play too much games, you're screwed.
Maybe you need to learn about the real world and stop complaining about gaming and 3D crap because it is a CELLPHONE not some high powered gaming console that can play all the latest games that came out for your PS3 or XBOX. Bring your PS3 and some LED TV with you outside and lets see how you'll look with it. I'm pretty sure an average person doesn't even know what a Tegra is, because I sure as hell don't until I got my G2X.......the games are not even that good. Let's face it, you need to get out of your room and meet people and maybe you can use your cellphone to call them.
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I couldn't agree more. Games are nice and all, but my phone is a communications/productivity device first, everything else second. Having said that, I played some graphics-intensive 3D games on my Sensation, and they ran flawlessly.

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Seems like cellphone and gaming is your entire life.
If you use your cellphone just for gaming, you're screwed. If you use your cellphone to check 3D, you're screwed. If you use your cellphone and have empty contact list because you play too much games, you're screwed.
Maybe you need to learn about the real world and stop complaining about gaming and 3D crap because it is a CELLPHONE not some high powered gaming console that can play all the latest games that came out for your PS3 or XBOX. Bring your PS3 and some LED TV with you outside and lets see how you'll look with it. I'm pretty sure an average person doesn't even know what a Tegra is, because I sure as hell don't until I got my G2X.......the games are not even that good. Let's face it, you need to get out of your room and meet people and maybe you can use your cellphone to call them.
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The android games I use work all the way back to my G1, I dont have a sensation and dont plan on getting one since Im on a contract already. I do like games like Angry birds, which i think is fun to try when you have to kill time. But every phone out should be able to play that game AFAIK. I personally just want the best for my money, smartphones are capable of many features which you may or may not take advantage of. For example the "burst" function of the Sensation requires the new CPU, and doesn't work on its predecessors-that's a really helpful feature for people who dont walk around with cameras. And then we have the qHD screen that's good for Youtube, Netflix, recorded vids, Hi-res pics, and especially the browser where you can see more. The 2X CPU really helps with battery, since 2 cores normally have better battery life, which is why computers no longer use single cores. I dont know how long you've been using android but you can use it for many things like: videochat, NFC, edit/make documents, streaming, videoout, extreme customization to the core, alarm, you can play piano, flashlight, GPS, voice commands, find you heart rate(good if you workout), monitor data usage, track your bank account, and the list goes on and on forever . I have a MT4G and got rid of the stock UI to replace it with MIUI, which gives an experience similar to the Iphone/Galaxy line, it's good to make the phone really yours.

Is 2gb of ram really necessary?

Now that the S3 will have 2 gigs of ram im having second thoughts about my one x. I love it and all but 2 gigs sounds really tempting. my question is how useful will it be to have an extra gig of ram? will it speed things up? or is it just used for extreme multitasking and what will its effects be on gaming?

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Now that the S3 will have 2 gigs of ram im having second thoughts about my one x. I love it and all but 2 gigs sounds really tempting. my question is how useful will it be to have an extra gig of ram? will it speed things up? or is it just used for extreme multitasking and what will its effects be on gaming?
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Is this thread really necessary? Ask in SGS3 if your so interested, or post in one of the 17 other SGS3 threads. (sorry for being a douche)

RAM isn't going to have much effect on gaming, if any. Games and other apps are designed for phones with much lower specs than the One X and GS3. The only thing it will "speed up" is by keeping apps in memory while multi-tasking, and thereby saving time when you go back to the same task (not having to restart them).

robstunner, my question had nothing to do with the S3 itself. All i wanted to know was the effects of adding a gig of ram to a device like ours. I merely stated the S3 as an example. Please waste your time with useless comments elsewhere.
thank you redpoint73 very helpful

I am curious what reviewers will have to say about it when they start poking at the US variants. I don't know enough to say whether the benefits of 2 GB of RAM will be worth the possibility of additional battery drain.

2gb of ram is not enough to sway me to buy that ugly looking phone.

Look here guys, the hox is a more than capable device and you should enjoy it, use it a couple of months and see how it goes. There's always going to be a new bad boy on the block a month or two after each one, that doesn't mean we should just jump on every single one. Enjoy your hox, i know i will
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I have a feeling it'll eat the battery up quicker.

Maybe they know something we don't, they're just might be making sure it can handle android 5.0, not saying that's gonna happen anytime soon though.

I would assume it's main use would be to keep more and more apps in memory without them having to reload.
However wouldn't that decrease battery life if you forget to close some of the apps down? I know my iPhone would die so quickly if I didn't manually close apps every once in awhile.
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I don't know enough to say whether the benefits of 2 GB of RAM will be worth the possibility of additional battery drain.
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I would assume Samsung is using their new 2 GB chips made on their 20mn process, for which they claim have the same power consumption and physical size as the 30mn 1 GB chips currently used in phones. If this is true, then there really doesn't seem to be any down side to using a 2GB other than maybe price (and availability as they just announced they'd begun mass production last month).

this may be obvious, but I'd say to think of it in terms of a computer. more ram just provides more space and freedom for simultaneous processing, i.e., multitasking. but that doesn't necessarily mean the phone performs any faster, per se. even when i'm at the point where i've got so much stuff open that Sense starts freezing processes (which rarely happens), i'm not seeing any performance drop in the phone. zero. I have not once been using my phone and thought that is was lagging at all regardless of how much RAM is being used bc (and this is unlike a computer) Sense manages the processes. most PCs aren't going to stop you from trying to run too many processes; they'll just lock up or processes will just stop working.
now, power consumption is another thing. the RAM itself, as previously noted, isn't going to physically consume more - or any noticeably greater amount -of power. but theoretically, the greater potential number of processes running could cause more battery drain since it may be putting a consistently greater load on CPU, at which point, you could see more battery drain.
I think the 2GB RAM is just another example of where these phones are massively overspeced for even most of the enthusiasts out there. it's probably going to help 'futureproof' the phone a little more, but let's be honest; all the phones that are out now, or coming out soon, will all be outdated and vastly outperformed within a few months, so what are you really buying other than an easily-marketable spec? bottom line is that if 2GB RAM would be the only thing swaying you to a new device, i'd say stick with the one you've got because you're probably going to enjoy everything else about the current model a lot more.

Maybe 2GB of RAM is an indication of how bloated Touchwiz has gotten. Unlike Sense which has gotten leaner.

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Maybe 2GB of RAM is an indication of how bloated Touchwiz has gotten. Unlike Sense which has gotten leaner.
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Sense is still ridiculously bloated. It uses 90+ mb of RAM on it's own. If it wasn't so bloated HTC wouldn't have had to tweak (read: completely break) multitasking.
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Looking at how multi tasking fails on HTC one x because of sense using too much ram I think HTC should have released their flagship with 2gb. But they probabily didn't kbow Samsung was doing this.
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I would assume Samsung is using their new 2 GB chips made on their 20mn process, for which they claim have the same power consumption and physical size as the 30mn 1 GB chips currently used in phones. If this is true, then there really doesn't seem to be any down side to using a 2GB other than maybe price (and availability as they just announced they'd begun mass production last month).
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Question I returned my 256gb S22 Ultra for a 512gb S22 Ultra and the 512gb is so much more laggy

I have to send back my 256gb ultra by the 22nd, but I need to figure out why its performing so much better. I basically just did smart switch to transfer over to the 512gb phone. The 512gb phone takes literally 5 seconds to open messages and when I am scrolling down in messages, I just keep seeing the same ones over and over again. (The 256 version just scrolls through like butter with literally the same messages). When I activated the new one online, the IMEI showed up on the sprint/T-Mobile website as a burgundy 128gb version when it is actually a sky blue 512gb version. Any ideas what I can compare before having to send one or both of these back? Also, I traded in my Note 10+. Do they ever send back your trade-in?

Lol, I take the N10+ over the S22... in fact I have done just that, got my second N10+ 9 months ago. Solid, dependable, gorgeous work horses that can take the heat.
They may send either one back... dig into them.
Internal memory size isn't a factor, something else is causing the lag. That's not a lag that's more like being trapped in an event horizon
256gb with no expandable storage isn't very much storage space...

yeah get it swapped for a different model, something seems off with ur 512 model

Set up as new first.
Or just let it settle for a while.

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Set up as new first.
Or just let it settle for a while.
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No settling needed. Could try clearing the system cache. Turn off adaptive battery and such. Set display power mode to optimized or the S22U equivalent.
This series is having a lot of issues.

When I choose to restore 100+ apps from a google drive backup the device lags and gets hot AF. I put it down and come back a few hours later and it's fine. That's always been my experience. If I want to play around (aka instant action) just skip backup/transfer and play and it's usually fine.

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I have to send back my 256gb ultra by the 22nd, but I need to figure out why its performing so much better. ... (The 256 version just scrolls through like butter with literally the same messages).
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Some might say a slow S22u is normal, but you already know it is not. Some might say, there is a processor lottery (maybe, but not that extreme).
I would say you copied a lot of (media-)data to the new phone and huge indexes need to be created now at once. In my case especially the Media Storage Service runs a lot when I add data and do not block scanning with ".nomedia".
You should see this in your battery statistics. If so, your S22u will run much better when the index creation is finished.
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Lol, I take the N10+...
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If every S22u posting would be deleted in which you mention (praise) the N10+, about 90% would be gone. Btw., have you found your AF of the ultrawide cam? There is none in the N10+.

ZXR said:
If every S22u posting would be deleted in which you mention (praise) the N10+, about 90% would be gone. Btw., have you found your AF of the ultrawide cam? There is none in the N10+.
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No AF, correct... but don't go getting all gooey happy wet just yet.
The bad news; I have plenty of threads and posts in the N10+ forum
Here, read my latest thermal review of the N10+.
Look what you inspired^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!
You never did take my thermal challenge... 98.6 here now and the battery is running at 2-5F above ambient, with a case, no cooling.

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Some might say a slow S22u is normal, but you already know it is not. Some might say, there is a processor lottery (maybe, but not that extreme).
I would say you copied a lot of (media-)data to the new phone and huge indexes need to be created now at once. In my case especially the Media Storage Service runs a lot when I add data and do not block scanning with ".nomedia".
You should see this in your battery statistics. If so, your S22u will run much better when the index creation is finished.
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I used smart switch coming from my N10+ to the 256gb version, and I don't think the messages app was ever slow. Full disclosure, I didn't set the new messages app as default for a couple of days because I wasn't sure what the difference was. Does everyone have 2 messages apps, or is that because I did smart switch? Both of my S22s currently have 2 messages apps full with texts.

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I used smart switch coming from my N10+ to the 256gb version, and I don't think the messages app was ever slow. Full disclosure, I didn't set the new messages app as default for a couple of days because I wasn't sure what the difference was. Does everyone have 2 messages apps, or is that because I did smart switch? Both of my S22s currently have 2 messages apps full with texts.
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SmartSwitch may be the problem. Try doing a clean reload without it (sorry).

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Lol, I take the N10+ over the S22... in fact I have done just that, got my second N10+ 9 months ago. Solid, dependable, gorgeous work horses that can take the heat.
They may send either one back... dig into them.
Internal memory size isn't a factor, something else is causing the lag. That's not a lag that's more like being trapped in an event horizon
256gb with no expandable storage isn't very much storage space...
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You didn't own the s22 ultra in the first place. I see you spend a lot of time on the pixel forums too even though you haven't owned one. If you like your phone so much why are you on all these other phone forums instead?

turn of "optimizer" and turn on 120hz

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Lol, I take the N10+ over the S22... in fact I have done just that, got my second N10+ 9 months ago. Solid, dependable, gorgeous work horses that can take the heat.
They may send either one back... dig into them.
Internal memory size isn't a factor, something else is causing the lag. That's not a lag that's more like being trapped in an event horizon
256gb with no expandable storage isn't very much storage space...
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Agree on the "internal memory size not being a factor"...

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No AF, correct... but don't go getting all gooey happy wet just yet.
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You never did take my thermal challenge... 98.6 here now and the battery is running at 2-5F above ambient, with a case, no cooling.
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Sorry to the others, a bit off-topic.
Have you ever asked me for a thermal challenge? But the challange would be between devices, not people. Do you have both devices?
What I now did: A N10 and a S20u set to manual brightness. Put them on a sofa cushion next to each other, one hour no usage, no load. Noted the battery temperatures (in °C). Then Opera browser, youtube page, same video FullHD for 12 Minutes, .
1st try:
27,8 to 30,1 delta 2,3 (S22u)
26,9 to 29,5 delta 2,6 (N10)
2nd:
27,5 to 30,0 delta 2,5 (S22u)
27,0 to 30,5 delta 3,5 (N10)
We can see the temperature sensors have an offset of about 0,5-0,9 K and the older device is heating-up a bit more.
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Agree on the "internal memory size not being a factor"...
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Back on topic.
Absolutely. The 256 GB and 512 GB have the same RAM size and I would say no one blamed the ROM itself.
Maybe Ssamboy will give an update.

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You didn't own the s22 ultra in the first place. I see you spend a lot of time on the pixel forums too even though you haven't owned one. If you like your phone so much why are you on all these other phone forums instead?
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They have been hating on the S22U since the beginning. Same old tired narrative, again and again. It's old BH go troll somewhere else.

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They have been hating on the S22U since the beginning. Same old tired narrative, again and again. It's old BH go troll somewhere else.
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I mean there are some of us who do own this phone, I've had it since April, and I find that apps like Twitter and Reddit scroll lagging as completely unacceptable. Regardless of how unoptimized basic apps are from the developer side, they're literally two of the most popular apps on the PlayStore and I am unhappy with a $1900 phone here in Australia (for the 256Gb 12Gb RAM Snapdragon variant I bought in April) lags doing the most basic tasks, when I could have got an iPhone 13 Pro Max and not had these issues, at least with basic apps, I wouldn't have liked it as much as my Android phone, since I prefer and love the customisation on Android, but at least the basic apps which I spend the majority of my free time will work without issues.
I didn't even buy it at release and it took them until June to fix the camera taking quick shots issue.
This idea of sucking-off these big companies, regardless of who they are, needs to stop. I don't care if you're a fan. There are people who have this phone or have had this phone for a while and still facing issues with it.
Sure, there is no perfect phone out there, but asking for basic optimization and better support for these devices shouldn't be discouraged. Samsung needs to do better.

I don't do twitter but I can confirm that the Reddit app is absolute garbage. Just look at the reviews on Google Play for confirmation.
It's not the phone, it's the app(s).

Coming from a Oneplus 8 Pro here, which was about as fast a device as you could get (even now). I do have the S22 Ultra 512gb variant and I can say that it feels about how I thought it would. Nothing can really compare to Oxygen OS, pre Android 12 IMO, but the Ultra feels fast enough.
I used smartswitch coming over, but I did clear cache in recovery for good measure. I am running 120hz and 1440p rez on optimized battery settings.
I don't experience any heat from it aside from situations where I know I would, like 95 degrees outside walking with the screen on max brightness using google maps, something like that.
I made all animations .5 as usual and turned off part of the app transitions in settings. It feels like it should. I use Twitter and the Reddit app. No lag on reddit flying through the homescreen with multiple app reloads at the bottom.
I have a bunch of complaints about this phone but nothing like is in this thread.

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Coming from a Oneplus 8 Pro here, which was about as fast a device as you could get (even now). I do have the S22 Ultra 512gb variant and I can say that it feels about how I thought it would. Nothing can really compare to Oxygen OS, pre Android 12 IMO, but the Ultra feels fast enough.
I used smartswitch coming over, but I did clear cache in recovery for good measure. I am running 120hz and 1440p rez on optimized battery settings.
I don't experience any heat from it aside from situations where I know I would, like 95 degrees outside walking with the screen on max brightness using google maps, something like that.
I made all animations .5 as usual and turned off part of the app transitions in settings. It feels like it should. I use Twitter and the Reddit app. No lag on reddit flying through the homescreen with multiple app reloads at the bottom.
I have a bunch of complaints about this phone but nothing like is in this thread.
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I would kill animations completely... a waste of resources that adds no useful functionality.
See what's behind the mask.
With that 4nm chipset and 12gb* of ram it better be fast. The burning question is how much mAh's is it using to do this?
Waste heat is an invariable byproduct of operation, the more mAh's used, the more heat generated. And that is a problem once your average mAh usage goes over 400.
Can it be optimized to stay under 400 mAh?
I doubt it but it's pretty common for Samsung's to be hot running battery hogs until optimized.
There's definitely room for improvement with optimizing. Using over 500 mAh average is unacceptable. If you're getting 10 hr or less SOT that's exactly what it's doing. At a 750 mAh average thermal dissipative capacity becomes a real issue because it isn't sustainable.
The other question is how much is scoped storage adding to the load burden?
Probably a fair amount; Pixels even added a new chip to take up some of that extra needed processing. Not an encouraging sign.
At least on rooted devices it seems scoped storage can now be disabled in 12.
*the large 12gb of ram is more important for performance than the chipset speed to some extent. The 8gb variant doesn't hold up to multitasking near as well.