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Wasn't really sure where this post should go since it's not really dev or hacking related but it didn't really seem to fit in any of the other subforums either :-(
I was wondering what everyone's take on the future of smart phone processors is, I mean what seems to be a better road to travel: multi-core cpus or faster and faster cpus?
I ask because we already have 1ghz phones and motorola is talking about a 2ghz phone by years end and then there are the dual core chips that have been rumored to be circulating from qualcom.
How beneficial would multi-core chips be in reality on a phone? I could see maybe having the phone os running on one core and then all apps operating on a second core but I doubt that is the way things would get implemented.
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How beneficial would multi-core chips be in reality on a phone? I could see maybe having the phone os running on one core and then all apps operating on a second core but I doubt that is the way things would get implemented.
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Considering that adding cores is the way that PC chips overcame physical limitations in clock speed, I think that's the way it's going to go. Phones can't run nearly as hot as PCs and still be considered to run within acceptable levels, so I'd say having a multitude of relatively slow cores would be beneficial (most Android apps are multithreaded anyway, so they can already take advantage of multiple cores).
I was just wondering if I should make the leap for a ghz phone this year or hold out for the first multi-core phones next year.
How are most Android apps threaded?
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Android apps, like pretty much any GUI app, have a UI thread and however many worker threads you need (especially if you're reading network/file data). Any time you see the ProgressDialog, threads are running around doing their thing.
Invariably you will always purchase a phone immediately before it becomes obsolete, so what's the use of waiting? If you stand to gain from a 1GHz phone, just go for it. The next time you upgrade there will be multi-core processors, and if not, the processor might run so hot you have an app that actually can make coffee for you.
IMHO - I'd rather have better battery life than multiple CPUs.
While more speed is nice, a realistic battery life is essential.
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IMHO - I'd rather have better battery life than multiple CPUs.
While more speed is nice, a realistic battery life is essential.
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I'd rather have both. Nowadays, realistic battery life is somewhere in between 16-24 hours with normal to heavy use. I can do that now. 16 and more hours is very good, as long as you don't live in the jungle with no sockets.
And while it will be difficult to achieve such battery life with more cores, I think that a well designed SoC can do it.
very interesting topic for discussion, my thing is what are we gonna do with a dual core Cpu in a smart ph. I mean if you can give me a high end ph with a single core processor with above average battery life I would take that over say a dual core processor with below average or just average battery life.
It all comes down to what one is willing to sacrifice for power and speed...
faster, no.
more cores, no.
lower power, yes.
dedicated mobile gpu, HELL YESS!
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Multi core all the way!!!
More power!
I'll probably get a 10" tablet for my next phone anyway, and do all my talking by earpiece.
As for battery life, we do not need gimped hardware. What we need is for phone manufacturers to get over the fixation on smaller, lighter phones. The Vibrant is so thin I can hardly pick it up without touching the screen SOMEWHERE.
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daveob said:
what is.................
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ph-one... like phone maybe?
And I agree about the waiting game. There is almost no point in waiting for anything because it will most certainly be outdone within months. For me a reasonable "wait" would be under a month from when I choose to change my phone. (Come on Epic...)
I believe multi-core will eventually catch on, just like in pc's, but now I'm mainly focused on the success of a good combo of cpu/gpu. (Come on Epic...)
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Android apps, like pretty much any GUI app, have a UI thread and however many worker threads you need (especially if you're reading network/file data). Any time you see the ProgressDialog, threads are running around doing their thing.
Invariably you will always purchase a phone immediately before it becomes obsolete, so what's the use of waiting? If you stand to gain from a 1GHz phone, just go for it. The next time you upgrade there will be multi-core processors, and if not, the processor might run so hot you have an app that actually can make coffee for you.
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I am up for renewal in Nov. I am on Sprint so it is shaping up to be a decision between EVO and Epic. I don't care for slide out keyboards but I am leaning towards Epic.
It just seems like this generation of phones is already obsolete (with the rumored 2ghz motorola and possibly dual core ultimate tmobile phone) and they are just starting to come out.
What I really need is a keyboard that doesn't lag lol
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I'd rather have both. Nowadays, realistic battery life is somewhere in between 16-24 hours with normal to heavy use. I can do that now. 16 and more hours is very good, as long as you don't live in the jungle with no sockets.
And while it will be difficult to achieve such battery life with more cores, I think that a well designed SoC can do it.
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16-24hrs with normal to heavy use...what phone are you using? I am on a htc hero and if lucky can get maybe 14hrs on with 3 to 4hrs of use :-( and that is with light txting and twitter reading.
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16-24hrs with normal to heavy use...what phone are you using? I am on a htc hero and if lucky can get maybe 14hrs on with 3 to 4hrs of use :-( and that is with light txting and twitter reading.
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With heavy browsing/texting all day at my 9-5, and plenty of use at night, I unplug from the charger at 6AM and by the time I get home around 6 I'm usually at ~ 50% battery with the aforementioned heavy usage. I'm running the Darchdroid rom. before I rooted etc I was getting like 6 hours with heavy use, it's insane what the roms can do. Try it if you haven't yet!
I'll be happy with my Hero for awhile as far as a phone goes, but I'm really interested to see what the tablets coming out this fall have to offer, speed-wise.
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As for battery life, we do not need gimped hardware. What we need is for phone manufacturers to get over the fixation on smaller, lighter phones. The Vibrant is so thin I can hardly pick it up without touching the screen SOMEWHERE.
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I was thinking that the Galaxy S series is an ideal candidate for some kind of extended battery. It's already so thin and light, it wouldn't hurt to add more weight and a bit of depth, and since the back cover is one plastic piece, that could be replaced with one accommodating a larger battery without producing odd bulges.
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With heavy browsing/texting all day at my 9-5, and plenty of use at night, I unplug from the charger at 6AM and by the time I get home around 6 I'm usually at ~ 50% battery with the aforementioned heavy usage. I'm running the Darchdroid rom. before I rooted etc I was getting like 6 hours with heavy use, it's insane what the roms can do. Try it if you haven't yet!
I'll be happy with my Hero for awhile as far as a phone goes, but I'm really interested to see what the tablets coming out this fall have to offer, speed-wise.
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I am using Alyosius 2.1.2. It combines both sense and asop. I like sense and I need the asop contacts app to limit which contact groups are displayed in both contacts and people. I also have a really hard time with any oc kernel :-( I think I tired the new uv/oc kernel and never was able to get past the boot screen :-(
I have been thinking about doing doing another backup and trying it again to see what happens.
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I was thinking that the Galaxy S series is an ideal candidate for some kind of extended battery. It's already so thin and light, it wouldn't hurt to add more weight and a bit of depth, and since the back cover is one plastic piece, that could be replaced with one accommodating a larger battery without producing odd bulges.
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Hopefully there will be larger replacement batteries and accompanying faceplates for the galaxy s. Someone wrote that it is easy to find after market battery and faceplates for htc phones but I haven't really found any in particular for my hero.
I see them going with more cores. Android is made for multicores. The higher the clock speed goes up, the more energy used and wasted as heat. Thats why desktop CPU's have moved on to adding cores rather than increasing clock speeds. Battery technology also has MUCH room for improvement. As do core efficiency's. However our need for more speed and processing power is only going to continue to increase. I think Android 3.0 is going to really put the underutilized GPU to work to offload much of that GUI from the cpu(s). And GPU's are all about multithreading (basically) too.
What makes you think 3.0 is going to utilize the gpu for general purpose processing?
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The main advantage of an embedded multi core solution is for lower power not higher speed. The multi cores split tasks and all run slower to achieve things within the same timeframe.
Don't think about PC's as a comparison the silicon manufacturers aren't thinking this way.
So as it is obvious i am on the charge right now but have an opportunity to upgrade. My initial thought was to go for the nexus! i mean an aosp experience android 4.0 it makes sense. But then i found another phone i think rivals the nexus. The rezound has a great community following, and multiple 4.0 ports. Some major differences are 1.2 GHZ dual core vs. 1.5 Snap dragon. Screen size(technically speaking) and a few different things like screen resolution and such but i'm wondering what other people thought.
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So as it is obvious i am on the charge right now but have an opportunity to upgrade. My initial thought was to go for the nexus! i mean an aosp experience android 4.0 it makes sense. But then i found another phone i think rivals the nexus. The rezound has a great community following, and multiple 4.0 ports. Some major differences are 1.2 GHZ dual core vs. 1.5 Snap dragon. Screen size(technically speaking) and a few different things like screen resolution and such but i'm wondering what other people thought.
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having a Nexus and having played with a Rezound I would go with the GN, it beats the Rezound in pretty much every category but the screen where both are pretty nice (GN a bit better though)... however they are both solid choices and if you like the size of the Rezound or the Beats or Sense then go with that, I'd try both of them out for a day or two if I was you and not get one based only off of recommendations
if you have any specific questions about the Nexus I'll answer
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I agree that they are both nice phones.
Part of it comes down to the display if you are display whore like me.
Most people probably wouldn't notice or care about pentile, but I personally feel that the pentile annoys me as much or even more than the fact that the Rezound has an LCD display.
I would check into enhancements by Supercurio so see what he has brought to the table for display mods/tweaks. Check into Voodoo Display Tuning.
In any case, don't get one without actually trying them out.
Personally, I'll wait for the GS3. If Verizon gets the GS3 AND doesn't screw it all up, I think it will be worth the wait.
Also, don't forget to look at the LG Spectrum.
If it were me i would go with a maxx. The phone is good enough for me and that battery would last so long. Of course i wouldn't really need a custom kernel on that (i only use one on the charge for ext4 and uv, which i wouldn't need on he razr.
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I agree that they are both nice phones.
Part of it comes down to the display if you are display whore like me.
Most people probably wouldn't notice or care about pentile, but I personally feel that the pentile annoys me as much or even more than the fact that the Rezound has an LCD display.
I would check into enhancements by Supercurio so see what he has brought to the table for display mods/tweaks. Check into Voodoo Display Tuning.
In any case, don't get one without actually trying them out.
Personally, I'll wait for the GS3. If Verizon gets the GS3 AND doesn't screw it all up, I think it will be worth the wait.
Also, don't forget to look at the LG Spectrum.
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LOL LG
no in all seriousness though the Spectrum would be a good deal as a beginning 4G phone or for someone who's not into rooting/roms... the radios are solid, its very snappy, screen is nice and its a nice size the only complaint would be the UI... its very touchwizzy and bogs the phone down occasionally but otherwise its not a bad choice either (oh except for LG's OS upgrade timing as well, like Samsung in that regard but if that doesn't matter than disregard)
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i figure the nexus is probably what i would get a lot of opinions but i just dont know that i am ready to go with the 299 i know very well that which i got it would be rooted and rommed in a few days so whether or not it is sense is of no purpose. i've used both somewhat but its not the same when they aren't mine ya know? Honestly the biggest draw of the nexus is that it is AOSP and will continue to be ya know?
The Spectrum has a fantastic screen, but an awful custom UI, bad battery life, and a mediocre build. The Rezound isn't bad at all (biggest downside is that it's super chunky), and despite the sub-par screen the RAZR Maxx is actually quite nice, but if you're getting a phone now you'd ultimately being doing yourself a disservice getting anything other than the Nexus.
Sure, the phones may all seem at least somewhat competitive right now, but you need to think about the future, especially if you're on a 2-year upgrade cycle like most people. No phone, from any company, will get official updates as quickly -- and more importantly, for as long -- as a Nexus device.
Me, I'm waiting to see what gets announced at MWC at the end of this month, because the quad-core Tegra 3 devices we know are coming up will be way more future-proof than the current crop of dual-cores. The question is just when Verizon will get one.
IMO u should wait for the GS3. Thats what Im doing. I think that nexus, rezound, and maxx all have big downsides IMO that hopefully GS3 wont.
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IMO u should wait for the GS3. Thats what Im doing. I think that nexus, rezound, and maxx all have big downsides IMO that hopefully GS3 wont.
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I'm sure even the SGS3 will have one or a few downsides. No phone is perfect.
That being said, I don't necessarily see the point in waiting for it to come to Verizon considering the SGS2 didn't.
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People keep talking about quad core, I just wonder what are you going to do with quadcore. Dualcore is plenty of power for a phone. 99% of the apps not even support dual core and it will take awhile to get there, the only thing I see with quad core is you're going to pay extra cash for something just make you feel good, but no functional for anything!
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People keep talking about quad core, I just wonder what are you going to do with quadcore. Dualcore is plenty of power for a phone. 99% of the apps not even support dual core and it will take awhile to get there, the only thing I see with quad core is you're going to pay extra cash for something just make you feel good, but no functional for anything!
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something to do with battery life, quad cores run more efficiently... idling on 2 cores for all but the most power hungry apps or something like that
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something to do with battery life, quad cores run more efficiently... idling on 2 cores for all but the most power hungry apps or something like that
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This all speculation, my PC with more core, I need more cooling power! Law of physic more power, more heat. I think they are going to make more capacity(mah) for the same given battery size.
I vote for razr. By far the most polished software experience, stock for stock, and screen was good enough IMO to jump the Samsung ship.
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I vote for razr. By far the most polished software experience, stock for stock, and screen was good enough IMO to jump the Samsung ship.
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OEM UI's on ICS?? OHGODWHY.jpeg
lol really though while I have to say that the razr is nice for those who don't want to root, battery situation, locked bootloader and the possibility of BLUR SANDWICH will steer most others away...
pic related, my face when samsungs touchjizz UI over ICS
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I went from the Charge to the Bionic, then to the Rezound. Two add-a-lines later and ~$650 in ETF's hanging over my head and I bought another Charge - I missed it too much. I was tempted by the Nexus, but the lack of removable storage kills it for me...I want the option of taking more than 30gb of stuff with me.
Don't put too much stock in the idea that a dual-core processor gives you better battery life, or noticeably more speed. Neither the Bionic or the Rezound were faster than the Charge to any real noteworthy degree, and battery life, while marginally better on the Bionic, was still poor overall. The pen-tile screen on the Bionic stunk, and while the Rezound's screen is very smooth from dead center, colors look pale and the viewing angles are terrible. Nothing beats the SAMOLED+ on the Charge. The "Beats Audio" on the Rezound is just a built-in preset EQ curve, easily reproduced on any other phone. Strictly in terms of sound quality with good headphones the Charge is in a different league - no hiss, no whines, cleaner, better, louder sound. Both the Bionic and the Rezound have the high pitched whine/interference, although not as bad on the Rezound.
Right now on Verizon there's no phone i'd rather have...when I took my new one out of the box it was like a huge feeling of relief. I won't be forsaking it again until something clearly, substantially better comes along.
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This all speculation, my PC with more core, I need more cooling power! Law of physic more power, more heat. I think they are going to make more capacity(mah) for the same given battery size.
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You're assuming that all the cores in a mobile device are activated all the time, which is completely wrong. It's not speculation, it's been measured: Tegra 3 uses almost 60 percent less power than Tegra 2 in general because whenever it's in standby or other low-intensity modes it switches on a fifth low-power companion core and switches off the primary cores. Then, if you do need extra power, it dynamically kicks in the other cores as needed, whether that means activating a single core, two cores, or all four.
And as for the speed difference... even on the fastest dual-core devices, Android still lags every now and then. Try using the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and then the Transformer Prime -- there is a definite difference in speed and animation smoothness using the same OS. Everything is faster on a quad-core device.
Isn't ICS also optimized for multi-core devices? If so, the dual core on GN and quad on Transformer Prime should be much better than say Bionic for example.
I think the gnex is worth it, partly because it will be supported by samsung/google for 18 months. Seeing as most of us are locked into two year contracts, it also eliminates the need to buy a new phone in 6 months when the current new phones arent really supported
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You're assuming that all the cores in a mobile device are activated all the time, which is completely wrong. It's not speculation, it's been measured: Tegra 3 uses almost 60 percent less power than Tegra 2 in general because whenever it's in standby or other low-intensity modes it switches on a fifth low-power companion core and switches off the primary cores. Then, if you do need extra power, it dynamically kicks in the other cores as needed, whether that means activating a single core, two cores, or all four.
And as for the speed difference... even on the fastest dual-core devices, Android still lags every now and then. Try using the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and then the Transformer Prime -- there is a definite difference in speed and animation smoothness using the same OS. Everything is faster on a quad-core device.
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Take a look at this article. Basically they said that the power drain is from screen size, ram and LTE4G. Quadcore may only consume a little bit more battery power (but NOT saving power). They definitely need bigger battery just like I predicted. In theory, dual core should save power better than single core (same as your theory, one sleep, one working), but that's not the case. I found that when you use your phone, they all kick in for speed and smoothness whick translated into more power consumption.
http://www.tested.com/news/will-the-quad-core-arm-revolution-suck-your-smartphone-battery-dry/3131/
What I am looking for is a compact phone not a mini TV like the one X or galaxy S3.
My options are one S, xperia S and galaxy S2. One S is overall the superior but annoyingly it is severely gimped by HTC in the storage. Why wont they release the 32GB version and charge a bit more for it?
What does HTC think that I am gonna buy the one X if I want more memory? No HTC there are plenty of other companies fighting to get my $ and there are plenty of phones other than the one X and one S.
Samsung has already sent HTC to the distant second in the android camp and yet they act like they can gimp their second best phone in something so essential as storage. It is one thing not having a technological edge over your competitor okay fine but these sort intentional things to bottleneck your phone are just ridiculous.
The one X is beat by S3 but the one S seems to rule it's category of 4.3" phones. Hurrah HTC for not realizing you had a real winner with the one S. 10GB USB storage is a joke for a phone that can record 1080p video and play all the latest games.
At least they could have used unified storage like the galaxy nexus to make 16GB total space somewhat more acceptable.
that is so true. But to bring only 16gb to europe seems to be more commen these days. The S3 will also only come with 16gb...
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that is so true. But to bring only 16gb to europe seems to be more commen these days. The S3 will also only come with 16gb...
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Hmm S3 has 16/32/64GB variants and more importantly all of them have SD card slot so it doesnt matter even if one can only get 16GB one.
We have less than 16gigs on our phone. To use,that is. Very disappointing
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Fully agree!
if storage is an issue...get something else
problem solved!
But it's not that easy choice. The thing is that you don't have that many alternatives in this phone/price class. U don't buy a phone just for SD-slot . I would love to have so powerful handset like One S. I am sure that it'll have a decent devs' support (unlikely to xperia s) pretty soon. Lack of SD-slot makes purchase of One S a quite big compromise though. I think it was extremely stupid move of HTC. They were on a best way to have a crown king of 4.3" phones. If you consider all pros and cons one year old (and of course less powerful but still very solid) S2 doesn't seem a bad choice today.
Yes exactly the S2 may have a slower CPU but other than that it equals or beats the one S in everything else. Better screen, SD card slot and removable battery.
SD card would be a non issue for me with 32GB and removable battery is an advantage but not really a significant one. Comon HTC still you have time, be wise and release a 32GB version.
I really cannot understand you folks.. If you say that HTC is silly because they didn't meet your personal desires, then you're not thinking reasonably enough..
HTC clearly designed the One X as their power horse, not the One S. Due to quad core, NFC and hd display they thought it follows future trends and looking at the SGS3 they had quite the same idea. For those producers 4.8" is now the standard and they believe that people will adept to this, just like they always do. So the One S is not designed to catch power users who would sell their souls for any modern invention, but simply the rest. So it kept 4.3" and to have something special, it got this beautiful design. Neither HTC nor Samsung would have expected even power users to deny 4.8" because of terms of usability. We can be grateful that they got this amazing S4 for the One S because this is, what makes it a competitor to those power horses since quad cores are not nearly fully supported.
BUT: If you produce a high class and a middle class model, then you simply HAVE to make differences to push the max. amount of consumers towards your more expensive high class model. Producers like HTC are well doing in statistical analytics and they just calculated that most people out of the target group for the One S would accept the tradeoff with 16 GB storage. Solo many people complained about the storage, nevertheless ended up buying the One S and made HTC proof.
For me the storage is more than enough. I am making compromises with my smartphone. I have other devices and do not have to carry around my whole library on my phone.
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Lets wait for a kernel hack and maybe we can repartition the space. I don't need 2gb internal storage, only 1gb so this would be a little help.
Also if USB host mode can get enabled, if we are taking recording a few HD videos, we will be able to offload them. Not ideal but a workaround. It wouldn't be so bad if we did actually have 16gb storage, but by default were left with 10gb usable space.
Apparently 4gb is used for the O/S and Sense. This can certainly be halved for me. So hopefully we will be able to get 13gb of usable storage space.
Most smartphones come with a high / unlimited data plan, So users can just upload **** to dropbox or similar, and download some new stuff.. All my pics and videos are automatically sent to the cloud, so i dont need them on my phone 24/7..
And if you dont have unlimited data, Almost everywhere has wifi, and even some carriers include free wifi hotspots.. So for me its absolutely fine... However i do feel a bit ''cheated'' after realising the whole 16gb wasnt useable... I would have imagined it to be about 20gb - 4gb for system/apps whatever and 16gb for the actual user...
but thats life, find a workaround if you really want this phone, the rest of us did
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I really cannot understand you folks.. If you say that HTC is silly because they didn't meet your personal desires, then you're not thinking reasonably enough..
HTC clearly designed the One X as their power horse, not the One S. Due to quad core, NFC and hd display they thought it follows future trends and looking at the SGS3 they had quite the same idea. For those producers 4.8" is now the standard and they believe that people will adept to this, just like they always do. So the One S is not designed to catch power users who would sell their souls for any modern invention, but simply the rest. So it kept 4.3" and to have something special, it got this beautiful design. Neither HTC nor Samsung would have expected even power users to deny 4.8" because of terms of usability. We can be grateful that they got this amazing S4 for the One S because this is, what makes it a competitor to those power horses since quad cores are not nearly fully supported.
BUT: If you produce a high class and a middle class model, then you simply HAVE to make differences to push the max. amount of consumers towards your more expensive high class model. Producers like HTC are well doing in statistical analytics and they just calculated that most people out of the target group for the One S would accept the tradeoff with 16 GB storage. Solo many people complained about the storage, nevertheless ended up buying the One S and made HTC proof.
For me the storage is more than enough. I am making compromises with my smartphone. I have other devices and do not have to carry around my whole library on my phone.
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I've never said that HTC in general is silly(they made a stupid move ). Hold on your horses. I just think that 16 gb of memory (10 gb user available) is a joke when a hq photo weighs 3 mb, and a nand backup approx. 1 GB (Well AOSP based a half of it). It's not about meeting my personal desires. Either SD-slot or more than 16 gb of internal storage is definitely NOT a luxury in 2012 (and especially not for a popular and one of the most expensive android phones). And lack of possibility to extend it is IMO a step backwards. I am aware that One X is a flagship, but come on it doesn't mean users that prefer 4.3" have to "shut up, be grateful" and do not demand anything more than it was brought in 2011. I do not expect a quad-core CPU, it's not my goal. But Galaxy S2 standard with something faster than Mali 400? Why shouldn't I? It's 2012.
For some users it is enough with 10 GB of storage and I respect that. For me is not. I flash a lot of software, I play with theming, and thus I need a lot of free space for roms, mods and nand backups (Sometimes I restore different backups several times a day), + some 3-4 gb for music (not everything can be found on spotify) and video-files.
I still think HTC One S is a very interesting device with huge potential to become a legendary phone, but as any other handset it has its cons that should be taken into consideration before I make my final decision about purchase.
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I really cannot understand you folks.. If you say that HTC is silly because they didn't meet your personal desires, then you're not thinking reasonably enough..
HTC clearly designed the One X as their power horse, not the One S. Due to quad core, NFC and hd display they thought it follows future trends and looking at the SGS3 they had quite the same idea. For those producers 4.8" is now the standard and they believe that people will adept to this, just like they always do. So the One S is not designed to catch power users who would sell their souls for any modern invention, but simply the rest. So it kept 4.3" and to have something special, it got this beautiful design. Neither HTC nor Samsung would have expected even power users to deny 4.8" because of terms of usability. We can be grateful that they got this amazing S4 for the One S because this is, what makes it a competitor to those power horses since quad cores are not nearly fully supported.
BUT: If you produce a high class and a middle class model, then you simply HAVE to make differences to push the max. amount of consumers towards your more expensive high class model. Producers like HTC are well doing in statistical analytics and they just calculated that most people out of the target group for the One S would accept the tradeoff with 16 GB storage. Solo many people complained about the storage, nevertheless ended up buying the One S and made HTC proof.
For me the storage is more than enough. I am making compromises with my smartphone. I have other devices and do not have to carry around my whole library on my phone.
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One X has the HD screen and quad core CPU to lure power users. It doesnt take a power user to not be happy with 10GB storage.
Why would HTC want to sell a one X instead of one S? It's not like the one S is some low end phone. A user chooses either phone and it's win-win for HTC. I think the main purpose of the one S to be an option for those who dont like big phones.
And I wont be buying a 16GB one S, I just made the thread in a very naive hope that maybe someone at HTC would notice lol.
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Most smartphones come with a high / unlimited data plan, So users can just upload **** to dropbox or similar, and download some new stuff.. All my pics and videos are automatically sent to the cloud, so i dont need them on my phone 24/7..
And if you dont have unlimited data, Almost everywhere has wifi, and even some carriers include free wifi hotspots.. So for me its absolutely fine... However i do feel a bit ''cheated'' after realising the whole 16gb wasnt useable... I would have imagined it to be about 20gb - 4gb for system/apps whatever and 16gb for the actual user...
but thats life, find a workaround if you really want this phone, the rest of us did
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Cloud storage is BS for everyday usage. Even if one has unlimited it sucks battery.
And it's also an extra element of file management that I would rather not have to deal with.
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Why would HTC want to sell a one X instead of one S? It's not like the one S is some low end phone. A user chooses either phone and it's win-win for HTC. I think the main purpose of the one S to be an option for those who dont like big phones.
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Exactly, One S is HTC's second most expensive device! The crown king of smartphones' world in 2011 was a 4.3" device. Today all flagships are 4.6"+ but it doesn't mean that 4'3" suddenly became low ends with no chances for further development.
I guess it's only Sony that sees the demand for powerful handsets with smaller screens- and I am grateful for that
@m.kochan10: I absolutely agree with you that the storage might become quite little regarding the usage of some of us. And I really don't like HTC to announce a phone with 16GB if there are only 10GB for free purpose. It's quite normal that those storage sizes never are promoted exactly and I'm aware of the fact that you actually can calculate this way since the other GBs actually do exist, but it's not fair regarding people thinking they'll have about 16GB for their media or what else.
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Either SD-slot or more than 16 gb of internal storage is definitely NOT a luxury in 2012 (...) And lack of possibility to extend it is IMO a step backwards.
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There are right and false points in those statements IMHO. You're right that e.g. 32GB internal storage wouldn't be luxury and practicable even without additional costs for the device. But I actually worked for a lot of companies which had to make such decisions and I can guarantee that this is a calculated, strategical, economical decision. The simply want to make differences between those two devices larger. Why?
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Why would HTC want to sell a one X instead of one S? It's not like the one S is some low end phone. A user chooses either phone and it's win-win for HTC.
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Because it means $$$.. Those two devices have most probably the same costs of production, the One S most likely even is more expensive in production and $100 difference per sold device mean a huge amount of capital. Folks I don't want to say that you should "shut up and be grateful", of course not. But complaining about economical decisions of a global player won't change a thing until they sell their devices. The don't give anything about what we think as long as they sell those devices and earn money. Selling the One X is far more lucrative. We simply have to think about the fact, that more than 80% of all world wide consumers actually don't give that much about tech spec as we do here. They like to see and feel a cool, slim, new device that has on letter huge numbers like 12mp cam, 100gb storage and 4ghz octa core cpu's not even knowing what that would be mean but having something to show off with in front of others. But they do not enter forums like this one, the do not root the device, they do not have nandroid backups, custom roms etc. Regarding this we even on Android are the minority. The average user will not complain about 10gb as long as she is able to put some of her music on it, shoot some pics and vids while on the road and installing most popular apps. And if you let people (who did not buy the flagship) choose between a 10mm-device with SD slot and removable battery and a 8mm-device with fixed storage and battery, most average users would choose the slim one. It's all about numbers and $$$, not about what HTC would be able to do. They're simply not willing and have reasons for this.
Regarding SD cards:
I appreciate it to avoid them since they are slow, not state of the art anymore and are trouble makers in any purpose you can think of. Of course from the users point of view it's nice to have extendable and removable storage that is quite cheap as well, but developers actually hate them because app development suffers from this. It's just like always: We have pros and cons here.
So I just want to make sure that I don't want to tell you that it's cool that we only have 10GBs, but that HTC has of course thought about this and that they have clear reasons for their decisions ($).
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Most smartphones come with a high / unlimited data plan, ...
And if you dont have unlimited data, Almost everywhere has wifi, and even some carriers include free wifi hotspots.. /snip
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Really? Most people that I know have 1GB/month dataplans.
And as for universal wifi - this is sorely lacking as well.
Moreover, the first rule of travel: never rely on networks
I think that HTC should have made 16GB available to the user and that would have been fine for me - 10GB is a bit small. But I understand why they didn't.
Drawbacks of a microSD slot:
*SD card speed confusion
*battery drain issues (different cards have different current consumption)
*cost and space of a card slot
*lots of people buying microSD cards that are fake or sub-par, thereby creating stability issues that are blamed on HTC, but in fact lie with the card.
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Drawbacks of a microSD slot:
*SD card speed confusion
*battery drain issues (different cards have different current consumption)
*cost and space of a card slot
*lots of people buying microSD cards that are fake or sub-par, thereby creating stability issues that are blamed on HTC, but in fact lie with the card.
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Good points
Now it's interesting discussion. I like that
@kyuubi_ac I agree that manufacturers think first of all about average users that want to enjoy their shiny devices "out of the box" and I understand their decision from a strategic, and microeconomic point of view. Average user doesn't know what is "recovery mode" not to mention a nandroid backup, and for such users 10 GB ... is not a tragedy as long as everything works as it is supposed to.
We...somehow more demanding users must consider every feature more carefully and it's almost always a compromise. Would you like to have a faster CPU/GPU or bigger storage and slightly slower processor? Better camera or unlocked bootloader and better devs' support? All about opportunity costs.
Absolutely agreeing.
I dont agree at all that it was in the best interest of business for HTC to take such decisions. No offense to any HTC fan but if HTC really knew how to do business then they wouldnt have lost so much marketshare to samsung, they wouldnt have made so little profit in the last quarter.
HTC is not apple people dont blindly buy their product, a company like HTC really needs hardcore users to like their devices and then spread the word.
Even apple makes 3 different storage variants of their phones, clearly there is demand for different kinds of storage or else they wont.
Even the low end one V has more storage than one S because it supports SD card pop in a 16GB card and you have total 15.5GB usable memory. OMG see how ridiculous is it??
If HTC wasnt serious about one S they shouldnt have released it. They have essentially ruined the phone for an item that doesnt even cost $20 to manufacture.
So I have to either return/replace my HOX due to a camera problem anyway, but since the Galaxy S3 is coming out pretty soon, I'm thinking of just returning it and waiting a few weeks for the GS3. It seems the Galaxy S3 is faster on benchmarks, is there really any disadvantage to it? All benchmarks were from the international version, although the dual core in the AT&T version is claimed to be just as fast. Any opinions?
Both phones will be just as fast as each other, if you ask me. The only difference is the 2gb of RAM.
But let me say this again. 2gb of RAM is unecessary for a mobile platform like Android. Not bad, but unnecessary. The only reason why Samsung put the 2gb of RAM in it is to market it as a better feature, as it can't market the processor as the average public sees dual core as average right now. 2gb of RAM is appealing to the average consumer, but for us, we know it really won't do much in terms of processing power on Android.
This is how I see it:
You want a cheap and ugly device? Get the SGIII
You want a beutiful device? Get the HOX
I don't mean to sound biased, but I'm coming from the GSII and I loved it because it was fast. Not because of the quality, but because of the speed. The fact was that I was sick of Samsungs crappy build quality; it just doesn't feel right. Thats why I jumped ship to HTC and let me say that I am very impressed.
And now that we have bootloader unlock, theres none of that "HTC sucks a$$" because even though they do in terms of giving in to AT&T's demands, firstly theres no saying that they won't do the same for the GSIII and that we won't be seeing a lot of development.
In terms of the removable battery and SD card slot, niehter of those are a problem for me. SD Card = Only if you go crazy with storing stuff. Removable battery = You won't be able to run down the battery life on this thing easily.
In my opinion, the One X is the superior device. But really, it comes down to what you want.
And don't let that whole multitasking issue fool you for the HOX. It will be remidied soon with an AOSP build of ICS.
I am in the same boat as you. I installed Apex launcher today and that made it a little better, then rooted and installed the vanilla messaging app, but the 8 hour or less battery life I can't handle along with HTC Sense.
I purchased mine through Amazon though....and don't exactly know how the return process works, nor will they let me get a S3. I have until the 21st to figure out how to unroot this thing and trade it in.
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I am in the same boat as you. I installed Apex launcher today and that made it a little better, then rooted and installed the vanilla messaging app, but the 8 hour or less battery life I can't handle along with HTC Sense.
I purchased mine through Amazon though....and don't exactly know how the return process works, nor will they let me get a S3. I have until the 21st to figure out how to unroot this thing and trade it in.
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Unroot is easy....if you unlocked the bootloader there's nothing you can do about that. It will say either unlocked or relocked.
its using the same s4 chip, same phone, just more ram?
Not giving up on my One X, but more ram would be very beneficial for the One X. Sense is killing this phone. Although I'd like to have an AOKP or CM9 build....sense is nice.
And what happened with Google saying that they were gonna require all ICS phones to have the ability to run stock Holo. Did someone make that up or did Google go back on it?
One x.
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Saying this since no one else has. The android 4.0 OS uses ram like windows. For android its beneficial has it makes opening apps quicker. Hence why a lot of ram is being used. Technically the gsIII will show roughly 1.5 gigs for use for the system since 400 MB will be for the GPU another 100-300 for UI rest for apps.
So far 2gb ram is a good thing. But, not always is more good. More ram equals more power equals less battery life especially if its unused. Even the heaviest user won't use more than a gig of it.
Basically how you see free ram on the HOX will be the same on the GSIII. Also The GSIII needs that ram to run all the little animations for touchwiz. I wouldn't be surprised if a majority is allocates just for SVoice and TW.
IMHO, the GSIII is step backward from forward innovation of Android 4.0. Since it wasn't deisgned for 2gb ram. The S4 is but looking at its specs 5% more power is used to run the read write to that extra gig.
Look at the power specs. Do it by match. There's less battery time to power to usage ratio on the GSIII with the ram and the amoled then with the HOX
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So I have to either return/replace my HOX due to a camera problem anyway, but since the Galaxy S3 is coming out pretty soon, I'm thinking of just returning it and waiting a few weeks for the GS3. It seems the Galaxy S3 is faster on benchmarks, is there really any disadvantage to it? All benchmarks were from the international version, although the dual core in the AT&T version is claimed to be just as fast. Any opinions?
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If the international version had a screen as nice as our One X, I would get it in a heart beat. The Pentile is the major killer for the SGS3. Secondary to that is the design, the phone looks like something old and weak. The fact that the stateside versions got an S4 just like One X, the SGS3 just became worthless to me. The 2Gb of ram is not enough to make up for the flaws of the SGS3.
With the Exynos processor and true RGB display. I would be on the International SGS3 forums instead of One X.
From what I'm reading, the GS3 camera sensor is not updated (from GNEX or GS2?), and is "last generation" technology. Samsung just made some software tweaks to copycat some of the ImageSense features, such as being able to take photos will taking video.
The proof will be in a side-by-side comparison. But its looking like the One X camera will be better than the GS3, and the camera on my phone is important to me.
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From what I'm reading, the GS3 camera sensor is not updated (from GNEX or GS2?), and is "last generation" technology. Samsung just made some software tweaks to copycat some of the ImageSense features, such as being able to take photos will taking video.
The proof will be in a side-by-side comparison. But its looking like the One X camera will be better than the GS3, and the camera on my phone is important to me.
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I read that the SGS3 uses the exact same optics (sony) that the iPhone 4S has. either way, the cameras will be very close to comparability. Either way, 95% of the pictures that are taken by the average consumer will be of their puppy/baby and blasted over facebook.
I don't use the camera all that much. Also is there a huge difference between the pentile display on the GS3 and this one? Today is the last day I have to return the phone and I'm really tempted to go for the galaxy s3.
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I don't use the camera all that much. Also is there a huge difference between the pentile display on the GS3 and this one? Today is the last day I have to return the phone and I'm really tempted to go for the galaxy s3.
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The display on the HOX has been called the best display anyone has seen on any phone period. The Verge did a review of the SGS 3 and said that the display on the HOX is better.
IMHO the US version of the SGS 3 is the same as the AT&T HOX only with more internal RAM, an SD Card and slightly better camera.
I'm not returning my HOX.
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I don't use the camera all that much. Also is there a huge difference between the pentile display on the GS3 and this one? Today is the last day I have to return the phone and I'm really tempted to go for the galaxy s3.
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I'm attaching a picture I put together from images I found here. It's comparing the displays of the Galaxy S, S2, and S3 phones. Unfortunately they didn't compare it to the One X, but you can at least get an idea of how much the appearance of "pentileness" is reduced (by the higher resolution) between the original S and the S3.
(The backgrounds, icons, and focus aren't identical here, but I did the best I could to put them side-by-side at a size that would not get shrunk when I upload here. You can see the full images at the link I gave.)
My impression is that hands-down, the One X has the best display you can buy, but that I can probably live with pentile at the S3's resolution, and that extra RAM is looking mighty good.
i would definitely return the HOX if I still had that choice. The SG3 has better features and does not appear to be as crippled in terms of future software development.
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I read that the SGS3 uses the exact same optics (sony) that the iPhone 4S has. either way, the cameras will be very close to comparability. Either way, 95% of the pictures that are taken by the average consumer will be of their puppy/baby and blasted over facebook.
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Interesting, but partially true. I found an article on this below. Apparently the same sensor as the iPhone, but different optics. Sensor and optics are not the same thing. Sensor is the electronic portion, optics is the glass lens.
http://www.t3.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s3-has-same-camera-sensor-as-iphone-4s
Don't have time to look for it now, but a review I read of the GS3 described it as having a "last gen" sensor and same as previous Galaxy devices. Apparently this is not true, and the teardown definitely shows what the hardware is.
EDIT: Here's the article that called the sensor "last gen":
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-s3-1078667/review/page:9#articleContent
Sorry, I just don't see it. The only things the SG3 has over the HOX is removable storage (not a big deal for me) and maybe the 2GB of ram. Other than that I think the HOX is superior in every other way.
Also for those of us who actually care about design and how your phone actually looks, there simply is no comparison there, the HOX was clearly designed and the SG3 seems very average in terms of looks and the wording of their colors like "pebble" blue, won't save them there.
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I'm attaching a picture I put together from images I found here. It's comparing the displays of the Galaxy S, S2, and S3 phones. Unfortunately they didn't compare it to the One X, but you can at least get an idea of how much the appearance of "pentileness" is reduced (by the higher resolution) between the original S and the S3.
(The backgrounds, icons, and focus aren't identical here, but I did the best I could to put them side-by-side at a size that would not get shrunk when I upload here. You can see the full images at the link I gave.)
My impression is that hands-down, the One X has the best display you can buy, but that I can probably live with pentile at the S3's resolution, and that extra RAM is looking mighty good.
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IMO the major difference between the screens is the resolution, though. I don't really see a lack of "pentileness". I think the thing is just that S1 and S2 looked horrible because of their low resolutions, regardless of pentile display. People see a Samsung phone with a higher resolution finally, and don't know what to do about it. Pentile is still there just as much as before.
As for the 2 GB of RAM, if you want to degrade your battery power for unnecessary RAM, go for it.
I'm not going to be dumb and say the SGS3 is a bad phone, but both phones are so close it's going to come down to personal preference for many. The way I see it, the benefits to the SGS3 are an SD card slot and removable battery, while the HOX sports a nicer display and is arguably "better looking" (obviously looks are subjective, but I've heard way more people rave about the looks of the HOX, and I've yet to hear anyone say they DON'T like the way it looks... have heard a lot of people say they don't like the look of the SGS3, and I agree that it is underwhelming at the very least, especially considering all the hype).
So, if you can live with using the cloud for storage, and don't have an issue with appx 15-16 hrs of battery life under normal usage with around 4 hrs of screen time on avg, then HOX is probably the better choice. If you need to be able to store backups of 4 ROMs on your phone and don't trust cloud networking or just don't have a good internet connection in most places, or expect to play games on your phone all day long and swap batteries without skipping a beat, or if you just plain feel that the SGS3 looks better, then SGS3 is clearly the better option for you.
I'm kind've leaning towards the SGS 3 and returning my One X (have 3 more days for the return window) based off of battery life alone. I can not get more than 2.5 hours of on screen time, and it usually averages around 2 hours max on screen time before it's dead. I've been on stock...1.83 stock...and 1.83 Clean Rom. Battery life hasn't changed between any of the roms. This is with screen brightness set to auto, but that is a requirement for me. I hear the SGS 3 really has some great battery life. If I could get 4 hours of on screen time on my One X it would be no competition but I'm only seeing HALF of that battery life...not very good.
Anyone have some recommendations? I've ran Battery stats and cpu spy and it's sleeping like normal. best performance wifi is off. The screen seems to be taking up the most power, but if I can't keep it on auto and get more than 2 hours of on screen time I'm not sure I'll be keeping the phone.
I am probably returning my HOX as well. The PHONE portion of the HOX is just poor compared to my last two phones (atrix,3gs) in regards signal, voice quality, and speakerphone. The clincher was when my wife noticed it.
That is probably the weakest thing about the phone. I also see this phone being a red headed step child with devs, due mostly to the availability issues. I'm new to HTC and i can say I don't care much for sense. It does not seem very well thought out. It just does not flow for me and comes off awkward.
I think HOX is a good device but the phone issues are inexcusable for me. Everything I've seen about touchwiz i like over Sense which just feels messy.
S3
+ better battery
+ better phone quality
+ easily replace battery when worn out
+ better dev support
- worse screen
- slightly less attractive case
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+ better screen
- poor phone quality
The notch is not ideal but I got used to it pretty much immediately on my iPhone X and never notice it on my OnePlus 6. So I'm confident that I could live with it if I were to purchase a 3 XL and likely not even think about it after the first day. Also, wireless charging is such a welcomed addition to the Pixel Line. Especially for someone like me, who has a wireless charger in my home office, on the table next to the couch and in the bedroom. And that chin, while kind of ugly, is perfectly fine since it also means the phone gets 2 front facing speakers that are apparently 40% louder/clearer than the ones on the 2 XL.
However, what's giving me serious pause in pre-ordering is the 4GB of RAM. This is especially annoying given the $900 price tag. Android, in its current state, is still a resource hog and I prefer not to close out of my apps multiple times a day. 4GB RAM is sure to noticeably slow down the phone, just like it's done to the Pixel 2 XL. I can't believe Google didn't bump the RAM up for this phone. Heck, if the $100 price bump to 128GB also gave the phone an extra 2GB RAM, I'd gladly shell out for it.
But at $900 + cost of accessories, I'm having a very hard time justifying being one of the first to get my hands on the latest Pixel phone, this time around. Now I'll be holding out until the end of the month, when OnePlus announces the 6T. If that phone has wireless charging I'll likely be going that route instead, simply because of the 6GB/8GB RAM options. The increased screen-to-body ratio would be nice too.
That was the last straw for me. I wanted 6 GB for that SOC 845 like all the other flagships...
I could never get used to or be okay with any inotch device but its worse here.
As you say only 4gb ram, max 128gb storage again which is a joke in 2018.
Those 2 are absolutely deal breakers for a device with that price tag.
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The notch is not ideal but I got used to it pretty much immediately on my iPhone X and never notice it on my OnePlus 6. So I'm confident that I could live with it if I were to purchase a 3 XL and likely not even think about it after the first day. Also, wireless charging is such a welcomed addition to the Pixel Line. Especially for someone like me, who has a wireless charger in my home office, on the table next to the couch and in the bedroom. And that chin, while kind of ugly, is perfectly fine since it also means the phone gets 2 front facing speakers that are apparently 40% louder/clearer than the ones on the 2 XL.
However, what's giving me serious pause in pre-ordering is the 4GB of RAM. This is especially annoying given the $900 price tag. Android, in its current state, is still a resource hog and I prefer not to close out of my apps multiple times a day. 4GB RAM is sure to noticeably slow down the phone, just like it's done to the Pixel 2 XL. I can't believe Google didn't bump the RAM up for this phone. Heck, if the $100 price bump to 128GB also gave the phone an extra 2GB RAM, I'd gladly shell out for it.
But at $900 + cost of accessories, I'm having a very hard time justifying being one of the first to get my hands on the latest Pixel phone, this time around. Now I'll be holding out until the end of the month, when OnePlus announces the 6T. If that phone has wireless charging I'll likely be going that route instead, simply because of the 6GB/8GB RAM options. The increased screen-to-body ratio would be nice too.
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I do not like the notch+chin combo but 4GB of RAM alone is the dealbraker for me. I would still get the smaller Pixel 3 but definitely WILL NOT be an early adopter that usually I am.
The notch is horrible. I've never liked notches but a smaller one I would try to live with but the pixel 3 xl is ridiculous.
Then only 4gb of ram...either lazy or money pinching, at least 6gm of of ram is the norm for flagships, heck even some midrange phones this year
I am the other way around, the 4 GB of ram isn't a deal breaker but the notch is for sure a deal breaker!
You must be so much fun at parties.
Every report of hands on so far has stated how smooth the phone is. Surely that's the combination of processor and ram and great OS ?
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You must be so much fun at parties.
Every report of hands on so far has stated how smooth the phone is. Surely that's the combination of processor and ram and great OS ?
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I've been told I tend to "bring the party". So I think I can be a good time. :laugh:
With that said, of course the phone is going to feel extremely fluid/fast right out of the box. It will likely remain that way for the first few weeks. But, the Pixel 2 XL started to show signs of slowdowns within just a couple weeks of use for me and for many others on this forum. It was quickly determined that 4GB of RAM was the major cause of the slowdowns. It's one of the main reasons I jumped to the OnePlus 6 with 8GB RAM, which hasn't shown a single instance of lag/stutter in over 6 months of usage. 6GB would be plenty but 4GB simply isn't enough in a 2018 flagship.
Not experienced any slow down in my 2xl so I'm not worried at all about the RAM. But then I don't game on my phone and I don't ever have more than a few apps going.
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With all the streaming now and the unlimited online storage for pics, what do you use more ram for? With the 128GB I can download enough stuff to watch off line and whatnot. I do still wish they had a headphone jack and SD slot. If folks don’t stop buying them they are just going to keep removing stuff.
Don't lick the notch but I can hide it if I want and it will look like me 2XL.
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With all the streaming now and the unlimited online storage for pics, what do you use more ram for? With the 128GB I can download enough stuff to watch off line and whatnot. I do still wish they had a headphone jack and SD slot. If folks don’t stop buying them they are just going to keep removing stuff.
Don't lick the notch but I can hide it if I want and it will look like me 2XL.
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I just checked the memory usage history on my OnePlus 6, running Android Pie official release. It says that over the last 3 days I've averaged 4.3GB of RAM in daily usage. If Google would have put 6GB in the Pixel 3 XL, my order would have already been placed. Heck, even 5GB would have been enough. But, at least for my needs, 4GB simply isn't enough.
For what it's worth, in my daily usage I'm constantly switching between:
Youtube Music
Google Keep
Skype for Business
Slack
Gmail
Outlook
OneNote
Google Hangouts
In order to keep performance snappy with only 4GB of RAM, I'd have to set the cap at just 3-4 background processes in Developer Settings. That would mean lots of app redraws on a daily basis. It's just a silly compromise to make in 2018. Especially with a $900 "flagship" phone.
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I just checked the memory usage history on my OnePlus 6, running Android Pie official release. It says that over the last 3 days I've averaged 4.3GB of RAM in daily usage. If Google would have put 6GB in the Pixel 3 XL, my order would have already been placed. Heck, even 5GB would have been enough. But, at least for my needs, 4GB simply isn't enough.
For what it's worth, in my daily usage I'm constantly switching between:
Youtube Music
Google Keep
Skype for Business
Slack
Gmail
Outlook
OneNote
Google Hangouts
In order to keep performance snappy with only 4GB of RAM, I'd have to set the cap at just 3-4 background processes in Developer Settings. That would mean lots of app redraws on a daily basis. It's just a silly compromise to make in 2018. Especially with a $900 "flagship" phone.
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I also have a 5T with 8 Gigs an ordered the Pixel 3 XL.. i think/hope Google did it the right way. In my experience a system uses more RAM when its available.
We will see..
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I also have a 5T with 8 Gigs an ordered the Pixel 3 XL.. i think/hope Google did it the right way. In my experience a system uses more RAM when its available.
We will see..
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That is true, especially with Windows. But in order to keep things running smoothly with 4GB RAM, the Pixel 3 XL will have to shut down background processes pretty aggressively. The plus side of that is better battery life. The downside is, at least with my 2 XL, the phone would still slow considerably as RAM got maxed out, before Android would start disabling processes. So it was more reactive than proactive. Meaning I always had to manually shut things down myself to keep it snappy.
From my testing with Android Pie on my 2 XL, the new system update didn't seem to fix that issue. Hence my jump to the OnePlus 6.
Currently using an Essential Phone so I'm used to the notch, albeit a heck of a lot smaller, but I'm not concerned about it. Everybody groans about something new, but once you get used to it, it's no big deal. I would have liked to have seen more RAM, but for what I do, 4gb will handle it just fine. I'm really excited about getting back to a fantastic camera. If the PH-1 had lived up to the hype, I wouldn't have ordered the 3XL.
Not a deal breaker at all... pretty sure after a day or so will not even notice the notch... Currently have a Pixel XL, and have no issues with 4 GB RAM. Guess it really depends on individual usage if they're bumping up against the 4GB limit...
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It was quickly determined that 4GB of RAM was the major cause of the slowdowns.
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Says who? (Michael Cohen)
Do you have any evidence? I have had a pixel XL & pixel 2 XL and and I haven't seen anything that clearly specified 4 gigabytes as some sort of barrier for Android. The desire for more RAM was originally just a Chinese spec arms race?
Tanquen said:
Don't lick the notch but I can hide it if I want and it will look like me 2XL.
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Dude, lay off the bath salt... Stop licking stuff, it's cameras and a speaker...
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MArtyChubbs said:
Do you have any evidence? I have had a pixel XL & pixel 2 XL and and I haven't seen anything that clearly specified 4 gigabytes as some sort of barrier for Android. The desire for more RAM was originally just a Chinese spec arms race?
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Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I can only keep 2 - 3 programs in memory on my Pixel 2 XL. It is a bit frustrating having to reopen programs I switched out of less than a minute before. So far, I am not frustrated enough to go with a different phone, but I sure would have appreciated more RAM.
wtharp2 said:
Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I can only keep 2 - 3 programs in memory on my Pixel 2 XL. It is a bit frustrating having to reopen programs I switched out of less than a minute before. So far, I am not frustrated enough to go with a different phone, but I sure would have appreciated more RAM.
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Dang, I got nine in there right now.
tj_f said:
Not a deal breaker at all... pretty sure after a day or so will not even notice the notch... Currently have a Pixel XL, and have no issues with 4 GB RAM. Guess it really depends on individual usage if they're bumping up against the 4GB limit...
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I was just at a Verizon store looking at all the devices now available. You will definitely notice the notch but you will get used to it, just like everything in life. However, when you look at the $1000 iPhone XS 5.8" vs. the Pixel 3 XL the difference is astonishing. That is a notch you will not notice. It just blends into the screen as if it didn't exist. The notch on the 3XL is deep. Too deep imo. Yes, you can expand it so it's not a notch but that is really only making the notch across the whole screen. You really need to go into a store and look at it next to the iPhone and the Pixel 3 and decide for yourself. The phone looks great. They all do. I've never had a problem with ram but if you do then the device is not for you, obviously.
bobby janow said:
I was just at a Verizon store looking at all the devices now available. You will definitely notice the notch but you will get used to it, just like everything in life. However, when you look at the $1000 iPhone XS 5.8" vs. the Pixel 3 XL the difference is astonishing. That is a notch you will not notice. It just blends into the screen as if it didn't exist. The notch on the 3XL is deep. Too deep imo. Yes, you can expand it so it's not a notch but that is really only making the notch across the whole screen. You really need to go into a store and look at it next to the iPhone and the Pixel 3 and decide for yourself. The phone looks great. They all do. I've never had a problem with ram but if you do then the device is not for you, obviously.
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I've seen the iPhone... notch size and chin disappear regardless of size for me...
Customization and doing what I want with the device takes precedence. Android grants us the flexibility to make our devices work for us, not the other way around.
Not going to rain on anyone's parade, if your device, regardless of OS works for you, with/without notch, chin, headphone jack, etc., good! Just not a fan of the apple environment, and will never take part in in regardless of whatever hardware they offer.
Understand that the notch and chin are VERY polarizing, and really unhappy with all the negativity with devices that is posted online before actually holding one in hand and using it as a daily driver for any amount of time.
Bring on the hate with this statement. /EndSarcasm
Feel this phone will work for the way my devices are used, and happy with the purchase have made.
If the phone does not live up to expectations, that's a different story, and time will tell if this will work for me or not.