I could be wrong, but does it have something do with proprietary drivers not being compatible with the linux kernel version that each new major Android version requires?
Now I'm just thinking to get Jelly Bean! I'm not even worried about the next big update from Google!
One thing at the time!
I've already accepted that the G2x won't get KLP
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Really getting ahead of yourself aren't you?
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C'mon man even Arnold left the terminator 4 alone.... just learn to let go of things will ya? after JB ofcourse
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How about this question them: Do major android revisions require a newer kernel version, and if so, is that why the proprietary video drivers get broken after a major release?
The major issue was that with 4.0 ICS, Google fundamentally changed the way that Android operated, so that the operating system and the apps would use hardware-based graphical acceleration. The drivers for this were not available for the G2x because NVidia was trying very hard to stop supporting the old Tegra 2 CPUs, or something, I don't know, there was drama and everybody was blaming everyone else.
Now that we've had updates for the su660 and the p990 with kernel source code and proprietary hardware acceleration drivers for ICS, this should let us keep basic compatibility through most of the future Android versions.
Obviously as it gets more features added it might become too bulky and CPU-intensive for our phones, but that shouldn't be for a while.
The only major breakage I can think of is if a future version of Android requires the NEON instruction set, which the Tegra 2 does not support.
The kernel itself being updated shouldn't be much of an issue.
Ram requirements will be a problem.
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Depending on when klp comes out I hope the g2x can run it. This phone had to last me a bit longer till I get rid of debt and save to buy a nexus 4
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kurbstar said:
How about this question them: Do major android revisions require a newer kernel version, and if so, is that why the proprietary video drivers get broken after a major release?
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The culprit is NVIDIA. They have not followed Linux guide lines. Their drivers are tied to specific kernel versions.
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Speculation about KLP when we haven't got ICS or even Jellybean or CM10 is self-abuse and surely will lead to total madness.
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Speculation about KLP when we haven't got ICS or even Jellybean or CM10 is self-abuse and surely will lead to total madness.
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Totally agree.
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The culprit is NVIDIA. They have not followed Linux guide lines. Their drivers are tied to specific kernel versions.
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is it because of limitations of the drivers, or just for ****s and giggles? AMD does the same crap, and considering the Radeon 3650 on my Thinkpad T500 isn't getting regular updates anymore to compensate for updated kernels, I'm stuck with the subpar open source drivers.
And I didn't intend on starting some sort of war....I was just generally curious
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Now the evo 4g gets gb on 6/6 officially.
What's really the hold up with this power house of a phone not getting its love? Am I wrong to feel it should have had it out of the box...the Droid got ota gb this past week...as we sit waiting. I'm disappointed.
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I personally think its t-mobile... they're horrible about getting updates out for ANY of their phones...
the o2x i believe already has a release for UK
The o2 was released prior to this phone. Be patient. With all the issues t-mobile and LG are probably making sure it works right this time. I have a feeling the stock shortage was an excuse to prep for gingerbread release.
G2x with faux AOSP
javolin13 said:
I personally think its t-mobile... they're horrible about getting updates out for ANY of their phones...
the o2x i believe already has a release for UK
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Right, the Vibrant lagged way behind the other US Galaxy S phones on the 2.2 update... oh wait...
you guys do realize all the phones that are getting GB have been out for a while right? It's not even summer yet, so TMO still hasn't past their said deadline. chill out.
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Right, the Vibrant lagged way behind the other US Galaxy S phones on the 2.2 update... oh wait...
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Uhhh, thats because of a lil group called #neveragain @samsung... Thats that...
I had a captivate for a while so I'm very jaded In being patient for a carrier to provide my update. I just don't hold my breath.
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The evo 4g. The one that's been out for 10 months or so???? Yeah were so far behind. I mean we've had our phones for almost two!!! This is such BS...I'm bringing mine back for an evo......seriously though the GB leaks are more than functional and if your not flashing than shame on you. You'll be the same person that waits for the official 2.3 to drop and then post a complaint on everything that doesn't function right. This phone just came out give it some time. Unfortunately unless you have a nexus phone you're always going to be waiting on the latest and greatest because you're at the mercy of your carrier. I'm still confused as to why google went with samsung and a similar speced phone with the S when dual core tech was available and seems to be the norm for most top end google phones....damn you fragmentation!
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Now the evo 4g gets gb on 6/6 officially.
What's really the hold up with this power house of a phone not getting its love? Am I wrong to feel it should have had it out of the box...the Droid got ota gb this past week...as we sit waiting. I'm disappointed.
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It hasn't been our for full two months yet. Calm down or you can sit in a corner and cry about it
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By June 21st. So be patient.
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You may be disappointed when it does come out.
I was using EB GB leak based ROM with and without OC kernel. Other then a different look and feel, not much of an upgrade in the update. the only performance improvements were result of EB tweaks and the kernels- not GB 2.3. Am back on 2.2.2 with OC UV kernel, as it has original camera and is pretty stable.
Android 2.4 on the other hand would be a major upgrade, as it is optimized for duel core - 2.3 is not. It might be out on other devices this month - but we would be lucky to see it on the G2X this year (unless the Dev's port it over).
At least the OTA should still have the basic stock apps - like the HD camera - which the GB leak did not. Then the Dev's can work directly off of a G2X specific ROM. But you will not see any significant improvements with 2.3 by itself.
If you are rooted, you could get a GB them, flash it, and pretend.
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You may be disappointed when it does come out.
I was using EB GB leak based ROM with and without OC kernel. Other then a different look and feel, not much of an upgrade in the update. the only performance improvements were result of EB tweaks and the kernels- not GB 2.3. Am back on 2.2.2 with OC UV kernel, as it has original camera and is pretty stable.
Android 2.4 on the other hand would be a major upgrade, as it is optimized for duel core - 2.3 is not. It might be out on other devices this month - but we would be lucky to see it on the G2X this year (unless the Dev's port it over).
At least the OTA should still have the basic stock apps - like the HD camera - which the GB leak did not. Then the Dev's can work directly off of a G2X specific ROM. But you will not see any significant improvements with 2.3 by itself.
If you are rooted, you could get a GB them, flash it, and pretend.
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Gb includes hardware accletated browsing. Copy and paste. And speed imporvememts.
Other little things as well.
Biggest thing?
IT WILL FIX THE REBOOTS AND WIFI. Officially.
So I don't think he or anyone else is going to be disappointed with that.
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You may be disappointed when it does come out.
I was using EB GB leak based ROM with and without OC kernel. Other then a different look and feel, not much of an upgrade in the update. the only performance improvements were result of EB tweaks and the kernels- not GB 2.3. Am back on 2.2.2 with OC UV kernel, as it has original camera and is pretty stable.
Android 2.4 on the other hand would be a major upgrade, as it is optimized for duel core - 2.3 is not. It might be out on other devices this month - but we would be lucky to see it on the G2X this year (unless the Dev's port it over).
At least the OTA should still have the basic stock apps - like the HD camera - which the GB leak did not. Then the Dev's can work directly off of a G2X specific ROM. But you will not see any significant improvements with 2.3 by itself.
If you are rooted, you could get a GB them, flash it, and pretend.
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I bet if u look back a few months u can find the same exact post but it will say something like froyo isn't to big an upgrade its gingerbread we really want....lol. no one is ever happy. Android 2.3.4 is pretty nice in my opinion. I could care less about 2.4 and what its potentially going to bring to the table. Its android and it beats any other OS out ther no matter what revision
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i say op you go to you local tmobile store and demand the rep behind the counter place 2.4 aka icecream on your phone don't settle for gb if they say no chunk the phone at him/her and turn over a few display stations on your way out. the call up tmobile's customer service and tell them that their store rep refused to place 2.4 on your phone and you want their job or you will throw a bf and write the president of the company.
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Gb includes hardware accletated browsing. Copy and paste. And speed imporvememts.
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GB has hardware accelerated browsing?! I thought only the SGS2 had a hardware accelerated browser?
The GB leak was just that, an unfinished leak that still needed work. The official update will most likely be a lot better.
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GB has hardware accelerated browsing?! I thought only the SGS2 had a hardware accelerated browser?
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You are correct. Only the SGS and SGS2 have a hardware accelerated browser.
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You are correct. Only the SGS and SGS2 have a hardware accelerated browser.
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But its in gingerbread. Not froyo.
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But its in gingerbread. Not froyo.
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But then it's not in AOSP as the Nexus One and Nexus S would have accelerated browsers too.
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But then it's not in AOSP as the Nexus One and Nexus S would have accelerated browsers too.
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OK. Let me rephrase its gingerbread that has it. Does not exist until 2.3
The g2x does indeed do it for flash.
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I found this post about Ardeno drivers update:
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/10447-adreno200-open-source-userspace-driver/page__unlockUserAgent__1
I hope that we could see it running on our device also
Please developers make this happen
What exactly is it? What would be gained? Internet at my current location is almost nonexistent so search feature isn't working well, least really slow.
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nedooo said:
I found this post about Ardeno drivers update:
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/10447-adreno200-open-source-userspace-driver/page__unlockUserAgent__1
I hope that we could see it running on our device also
Please developers make this happen
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Thanks for posting but I'm pretty sure this is why we are running almost full functioning EGL on aeroevans newest ICS rom over on rootzwiki. From what I read on that link you posted though, there is much more that can be done to make ICS run as good as on the g-nexus itself if enough developers put time into building it and we can get qualcomm to release either source or updated drivers. Sadly it looks like we will probably have to wait for one of the other HTC devices with adreno205 that is on the upgrade list for ICS to get new drivers and then cherry pick them.
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What exactly is it? What would be gained? Internet at my current location is almost nonexistent so search feature isn't working well, least really slow.
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Basically without updated Adreno205 drivers for android 4.0 we would be unable to utilize full hardware acceleration on Ice Cream Sandwich, which is basically the reason why ICS runs so much smoother than GB and more like iOS. Since the Inc2 is not on the list for a genuine HTC ICS upgrade we luck out because the adreno205 gpu is present in a few other HTC devices that are, hence allowing us to utilize those correct drivers to make ICS runs correctly.
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Thanks for posting but I'm pretty sure this is why we are running almost full functioning EGL on aeroevans newest ICS rom over on rootzwiki. From what I read on that link you posted though, there is much more that can be done to make ICS run as good as on the g-nexus itself if enough developers put time into building it and we can get qualcomm to release either source or updated drivers. Sadly it looks like we will probably have to wait for one of the other HTC devices with adreno205 that is on the upgrade list for ICS to get new drivers and then cherry pick them.
Basically without updated Adreno205 drivers for android 4.0 we would be unable to utilize full hardware acceleration on Ice Cream Sandwich, which is basically the reason why ICS runs so much smoother than GB and more like iOS. Since the Inc2 is not on the list for a genuine HTC ICS upgrade we luck out because the adreno205 gpu is present in a few other HTC devices that are, hence allowing us to utilize those correct drivers to make ICS runs correctly.
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So since the Charge and Nexus S have the same GPU we would be fine right?
And how does this help the Charge? We have the SGX540 GPU, the same one as the Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus.
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And how does this help the Charge? We have the SGX540 GPU, the same one as the Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus.
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That if we do get working ril we have the gpu drivers.
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That if we do get working ril we have the gpu drivers.
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I think he was asking about how these adreno 205 drivers would help the Charge if it's a whole different GPU.
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The Charge has a PowerVR-based GPU, not Adreno so it'll mean nothing for us.
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And how does this help the Charge? We have the SGX540 GPU, the same one as the Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus.
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I was scratching my head at the OP...I knew we had a 540.
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Yes I know that Ardeno and Power VR are not the same.
I posted this thread in HTC Droid Incredible 2 forum, but moderator moved it.
I asked why? And no answer??? Sorry mates...
You knew this question was going to come. Now that 4.1 has been announced, when are we getting ours?
This will take a longer time for sure, as HTC is still busy to release ICS
Jellybean dev kits are supposed to be released mid july. At least that's what this source says: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/06/27/google-announces-android-41-jelly-bean/
But it may be a while before we get a working ROM.
Given the time it took the CM team to release CM9 RC1, I'd say 6 months!
what about this? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1736699
Brace yourself for a long wait
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While ICS is quite nice, it is hard not to want the latest, greatest thing on our devices Still, at least the Nexus 7 is available to fulfil the JB goodness until it's available. That may end up replacing my Nook Color which hasn't been used in a month since it's ac adapter gave up the ghost.
HTC says they "don't yet have an announcement" for Jelly Bean on existing devices.
... I can't post a link because <10 posts, but there is an article on pocket-lint.com
That will only lead to an anemic SDK ROM. sure it will show us the cool new features, but I wouldn't expect much. I wonder how long it takes to hit AOSP
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what about this? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1736699
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Q1 or Q2 next year would be my guess
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Since i'm assuming jellybean isn't as big of a change internally as ICS was from gingerbread it'll be a shorter wait. Still I wouldn't expect anything shorter than like Oct of this year.
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Q1 or Q2 next year would be my guess
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I heard GSM Nexus devices are already receiving leaked OTA of 4.1 today.
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Since i'm assuming jellybean isn't as big of a change internally as ICS was from gingerbread it'll be a shorter wait. Still I wouldn't expect anything shorter than like Oct of this year.
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Actually most of the changes are internal. I think project butter is a big internal change. Although the One S is already very smooth, squeezing more performance out of the S4 is a welcomed thing
How about this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1737340
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How about this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1737340
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Pretty interesting read. Looking at the pictures it doesn't look much different. I wonder what changes it will bring along.
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Check engadget, the new additions are all pretty cool. I def wouldn't mind having an even smoother os
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jellybean just got sent ota for gsm galaxy nexus !
Google doesn't care
I remember reading recently that Google knows about fragmentation but isn't worried about it. Now that I'm tempted to buy a media device to have the latest and greatest software, I can see how fragmentation can actually work for Google because now more and more people will look to buy nexus devices.
the main reason i got a HTC phone is because unlike Samsung's strange choice in hardware it dosnt take 5 months to port a fast stable release from the MOD team unlike HTC
lets hope this takes off !
the one X got already a port
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1737736
I'm going to be getting the Nexus 7 when it releases and was wondering if I could expect the same lack of drivers that devs had to deal with when using the G2x or will the fact that Google is behind it make for more openness with the drivers?
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i would expect the same lack of support, it is nvidia who is not coming out with the kernels, drivers, and plain text code. you atleast get the same NVflash support with the tegra3 so you cannot brick it.
Its google's official tablet, I expect a lot of support. Even if there isn't, google will most likely provide future updates that can be used to get drivers (ex android 4.2, etc)
It's Google's first flagship tablet so you can definitely expect full support and updated for a year (at the very minimum). Nexus S still gets support so that tells you a lot about how it'll be.
The HTC One X seems to have been getting good support so far.
Ordered a 16gb nexus the other day... I think we will be ok it is a nexus after all and I would think Google has thought of this.. Plus with actual timely updates the Devs can just pull the drivers anyways
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Well either way, I'm excited to finally be getting a tablet. A Google branded one no less. Im just not very fond of Nvidia
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/27/google-posts-android-4-1-jelly-bean-images-for-nexus-devices/
Hopefully this will help development for our phone in a 4.1 sense.
Same here. I would love to see a JB port for the Blaze.
It'll be easier to get a port once we have ICS. If Samsung releases it anytime this century... I am still confused for why Cyanogen Mod doesn't support our phone but still supports single core phones lol
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It'll be easier to get a port once we have ICS. If Samsung releases it anytime this century... I am still confused for why Cyanogen Mod doesn't support our phone but still supports single core phones lol
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I'm confused by lack of CM support for the blaze. They still support the cliqxt but lack of support might be because none of their members has the device
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I'm confused by lack of CM support for the blaze. They still support the cliqxt but lack of support might be because none of their members has the device
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That's what I'm thinking. It's more about popularity than actually good hardware. Funny thing is that if CM10 or at least CM9 were available more people would buy this phone. A bunch of people jumped ship and returned this device after looking at the 'slow' development. As of now it's picking up and hope it gets even better. Coming from a G2x, which was a huge waste of potential hardware, I hope this device doesn't meet the same fate. The only reason I didn't buy the Galaxy Nexus was because of its weird hardware (bad camera, random reboots, etc.) Lol
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We might not get official cm support but I know ill work on cm9 even more when ics source drops !
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That's what I'm thinking. It's more about popularity than actually good hardware. Funny thing is that if CM10 or at least CM9 were available more people would buy this phone. A bunch of people jumped ship and returned this device after looking at the 'slow' development. As of now it's picking up and hope it gets even better. Coming from a G2x, which was a huge waste of potential hardware, I hope this device doesn't meet the same fate. The only reason I didn't buy the Galaxy Nexus was because of its weird hardware (bad camera, random reboots, etc.) Lol
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Be patient. As soon as Samsung releases ICS kernel open source for Galaxy S Blaze 4G, we will have more custom ROMs such as CM9 and CM10.