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AT&T "Tilt II" Touch Pro / Raphael Discussion

Wish us ATT users can know if it's going to be picked up or the x1 :\.

north american version has passed your ffc fcc? federal communication ...

kareem9nba said:
Wish us ATT users can know if it's going to be picked up or the x1 :\.
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99% sure this device will be on AT&T. Some prominent member informed me that they have a AT&T touch pro ROM

AllTheWay said:
99% sure this device will be on AT&T. Some prominent member informed me that they have a AT&T touch pro ROM
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Well I don't know whether to be happy or said :S and i hope the X1 wont outperform it.

I can only assume, AT&T will need to have their own "uniquely named" device and not the vanilla Touch Pro the rest of the world will enjoy. This in itself will add 6 months to any official release date of the Raphael in North America. I hope I'm wrong.
I will snoop around on my side and report anything to this thread with any positive news.

Lol, I would say they're that bad , however i can imagine them releasing it sometimes in Q4 (October-ish?) or early Q1 of next year.

I thought CDMA version is coming out first for Verizon. or was it for Sprint... I read it somewhere in Engadget or BGR.

this will be called tilt II for at&t. this is a rumor i heard from a friend from at&t wireless side.

Why does the US seem to get this stuff last? I blame it on the carrier cartel that refuses to adopt the mobile phone industry models the rest of the world has.

If the only experience with HTC i had was my wizard, I'd be all over the Raphael. I paid 588USD for the tilt (off-contract) and get the shaft from them. Now, I'm up for a phone upgrade, and I'd really, really like to get my hands on this device, but I don't know if I trust them anymore.
Still LOOKS kickass, though.

AllTheWay said:
99% sure this device will be on AT&T. Some prominent member informed me that they have a AT&T touch pro ROM
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well im 100% sure its not
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/read.php?id=2918&ch=1
tmobile ftw along with the diamond

Isn't the Raphael/ Touch Pro missing the GSM 850 freq? I thought AT&T uses GSM 850/1900.
Seems like it's made to be a T-mo device. (GSM 900/1800)

M3XICAN5 said:
well im 100% sure its not
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/read.php?id=2918&ch=1
tmobile ftw along with the diamond
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That hos nothing to do with it. Verizon, Tmobile, and all the US carriers can pick up the phone. Whether another carrier decides to pick it up or not doesn't mean that ATT wont.

M3XICAN5 said:
well im 100% sure its not
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/read.php?id=2918&ch=1
tmobile ftw along with the diamond
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I will prove you wrong in a couple of days.
By your analysis that means the T-Mobile in the USA would have the MDA Vario III which they don't.

AllTheWay said:
I will prove you wrong in a couple of days.
By your analysis that means the T-Mobile in the USA would have the MDA Vario III which they don't.
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i have talked to a certain someone... might not have to wait a couple of days to prove this person wrong...

The Juggler said:
Isn't the Raphael/ Touch Pro missing the GSM 850 freq? I thought AT&T uses GSM 850/1900.
Seems like it's made to be a T-mo device. (GSM 900/1800)
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there is a rumor that the missing band can be enabled by a radio firmware upgrade!

shogunmark said:
there is a rumor that the missing band can be enabled by a radio firmware upgrade!
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I would be VERY surprised if the Raph couldnt be sorted out like this, remember the Hermes didnt have necessary bands for telstra in AU which was eventually sorted with a hack to allow the necessary frequency to be used.
Details details people, if AT&T were going to use it i imagine the bands situation would be trivial, im sure they are going to carry it.

herg62123 said:
this will be called tilt II for at&t. this is a rumor i heard from a friend from at&t wireless side.
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Why would they call it a "Tilt"? The Touch Pro's screen doesn't tilt like the Kaiser does it?

lavalamp said:
I can only assume, AT&T will need to have their own "uniquely named" device and not the vanilla Touch Pro the rest of the world will enjoy. This in itself will add 6 months to any official release date of the Raphael in North America. I hope I'm wrong.
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You and I can hope but I'm 98% sure you're right. Trends point to AT&T releasing this sometime next year, as to not disturb the X1 and without the front facing cam. Right now it seems like Sprint is going to get this first as they're getting the Diamond sometime in September.

OK well lets just say in a matter of days we shall see if AT&T WILL be carrying the Raphael..............or not.

buying Blackstone in the US

Hey there
a friend's dad is in Alabama... and I was wondering if anyone knows where he would be able to buy a Touch HD and a Touch Pro WITHOUT a plan.. i just want the devices.
I went to the HTC website and all shops are service provider shops.. it's really urgent as he's staying there for only 2 more days... and i don't know how this works in the US.. with the plans and all
thanks in advance

Hd isn't sold in the US, You can by a touch Pro outright though from a service Provider.
EDIT: Are you looking for the gsm version or cdma?

GSM.. for israel.
the HD isn't sold in the US AT ALL? or only in AT&T.. T-Mobile.. and so forth

No HD in the U.S.
nir36 said:
GSM.. for israel.
the HD isn't sold in the US AT ALL? or only in AT&T.. T-Mobile.. and so forth
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Nope we didn't get the HD at all, not a single service provider has one. You can get a Touch Pro from AT&T by paying $500 to buy it without a contract, but you'd have to unlock it.

att is gsm, i don't think tmobile has it yet (i know they are getting it though)
...and just about every other major carrier in the US is cdma

joel2009 said:
att is gsm, i don't think tmobile has it yet (i know they are getting it though)
...and just about every other major carrier in the US is cdma
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Yup your right, AT&T is currently the only GSM carrier in the U.S. that does offer the TP and like you stated above, all the others are CDMA.

You might want to check it out though, The AT$T Touch Pro is the Fuze. I think AT$T had HTC do some subtle changes to the TP to make it a Fuze. Ask NATF, he has a Fuze.

wait, what about a diamond with an SD card?

denco7 said:
You might want to check it out though, The AT$T Touch Pro is the Fuze. I think AT$T had HTC do some subtle changes to the TP to make it a Fuze. Ask NATF, he has a Fuze.
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Yeah, AT&T got the keyboard layout changed(for the better IMO, but each to their own) but other than that i think everything else is the same.
nir36 said:
wait, what about a diamond with an SD card?
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What?!?!? Is there a different version of the Diamond that supports SD cards?!?!

master athlon said:
Nope we didn't get the HD at all, not a single service provider has one. You can get a Touch Pro from AT&T by paying $500 to buy it without a contract, but you'd have to unlock it.
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That's what I did, my old man lives in the states and I got him to get a fuze on his contract and now use it here in Australia (it looks a little stupid with the AT&T logo on the front though )

master athlon said:
Yeah, AT&T got the keyboard layout changed(for the better IMO, but each to their own) but other than that i think everything else is the same.
What?!?!? Is there a different version of the Diamond that supports SD cards?!?!
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http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1365
Diamond with SD (400Mhz processor, but who cares)

[Q] Will uk vodafone be locked?

Ie Could I buy sim free and put O2 sim in it??

You won't be able to buy simfree from Vodafone, but once it's out at places like Amazon, you will be able too put any SIM card in you want, yes.

It won't be sim locked. they say none of their phones are.

I thought all of Vodafone's devices were locked. Great news if it's unlocked.

I bought my HD2 directly from the Vodafone UK website about 18 months ago and it's unlocked.

But my DHD is locked to t-mobile

Vodafone haven't locked Contract phones for years now. PAYG however...

I ordered mine from Vodafone today, are we expecting this to be a standard version or a Vodafone infected version.

Vodafone rom, with their super fast update schedule- not. Without doubt.
Thanks for reminding me on that one. Im definately waiting till when I return from honeymoon in mid june. If I buy it, definately getting it sim free with maybe a 3 mobile ayce sim. Vodafone lag way behind official updates.
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descb600f said:
I ordered mine from Vodafone today, are we expecting this to be a standard version or a Vodafone infected version.
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Given the speed it's coming out, I kind of expect a stock ROM.
MaxReality said:
Vodafone rom, with their super fast update schedule- not. Without doubt.
Thanks for reminding me on that one. Im definately waiting till when I return from honeymoon in mid june. If I buy it, definately getting it sim free with maybe a 3 mobile ayce sim. Vodafone lag way behind official updates.
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Having said that mate, Vodafone have an EU release clause with HTC, so when an update goes live in the EU, it goes live in the UK too. Not like other carries. Vodafone got the official GB release before anyone else on the DHD

madindehead said:
Given the speed it's coming out, I kind of expect a stock ROM.
Having said that mate, Vodafone have an EU release clause with HTC, so when an update goes live in the EU, it goes live in the UK too. Not like other carries. Vodafone got the official GB release before anyone else on the DHD
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I'm also betting on them sticking to stock ROM to get the initial batch out as early as possible.
Even if it's a branded ROM I won't mind too much as Vodafone have recently been getting HTC ROM updates out before unbranded updates (as crazy as that sounds) and their bloatware seems to be reduced as of late too.

familyhousing said:
I'm also betting on them sticking to stock ROM to get the initial batch out as early as possible.
Even if it's a branded ROM I won't mind too much as Vodafone have recently been getting HTC ROM updates out before unbranded updates (as crazy as that sounds) and their bloatware seems to be reduced as of late too.
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The only 'bloatware' my original Vodafone HTC Magic had was a Vodafone Live! app, which only ran if you wanted to use it.

Omicron90 said:
The only 'bloatware' my original Vodafone HTC Magic had was a Vodafone Live! app, which only ran if you wanted to use it.
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Vodafone have become very good.
My HD2 on Vodafone had ZERO bloatware!

madindehead said:
Vodafone have become very good.
My HD2 on Vodafone had ZERO bloatware!
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If my new Sensation arrives with no bloatware, I will make an effort to thank them on the Vodafone eforum. I like to let them know I appreciate it

familyhousing said:
I'm also betting on them sticking to stock ROM to get the initial batch out as early as possible.
Even if it's a branded ROM I won't mind too much as Vodafone have recently been getting HTC ROM updates out before unbranded updates (as crazy as that sounds) and their bloatware seems to be reduced as of late too.
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Hopefully they are learning there lesson and leaving the phones alone.

Omicron90 said:
If my new Sensation arrives with no bloatware, I will make an effort to thank them on the Vodafone eforum. I like to let them know I appreciate it
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Given how fast we are getting them, I bet they will just be direct from HTC to the customers! I hope so at least!

Re: rom updates. Can only go off when hd2 got released. We had to wait a fair bit for updates. Cant comment on other handsets. Sorry
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Silly question perhaps, but even if the vodafone handset is unlocked, will we still have to wait for vodafone to release updates or will we get them straight from HTC?

sjgore said:
Silly question perhaps, but even if the vodafone handset is unlocked, will we still have to wait for vodafone to release updates or will we get them straight from HTC?
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Pretty sure if this is the case then the updates will come straight from HTC, but I'm no expert.

Omicron90 said:
Pretty sure if this is the case then the updates will come straight from HTC, but I'm no expert.
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With the Desire, it had to come from Vodafone unless you debrand it and flash a WWE RUU via Goldcard. The initial batch were unbranded though. There was much noise made when Vodafone delayed the Froyo update and initially released firmware which had a branded splash screen and various other useless bits and pieces (eg links to dating services, Vodafone Live, etc etc). It was then retracted and an unbranded Froyo was subsequently released. This whole fiasco was even reported on TechRadar UK
I think Vodafone pay monthly phones are all unlocked. It says so on their website. If I remember correctly, their phones did used to be locked but you could request an unlock code once your contract was up (or I think pay a small fee). The only exception was the Blackberry Storm, but let's not reopen old wounds I think I threw mine hard into a brick wall

[Q] European(UK) sensation Vs Sensation 4G (US)

Since I live in the armpit of technology, NZ, I'm in the process of looking to source this phone abroad, just sold my desire HD for a great price here ( at least there is a benefit for living here -reselling value holds good) and was looking for the best place to buy the phone.
Boils down to US or UK.
If its the UK, then Clove.co.uk will be my first choice as they have done well by me before ( though they were expensive compared to the US , I had £ there, so used that first)
If I get the sensation 4G for vodafone here (2100 and 900MHz) am I likely to run into any issues.
or should I get it from the UK.
what are the differences between the models if any... can't find nowt anywhere comparing the models for any differences.... is it just a marketing difference ??
Damn those XDA videos are getting great !!!
Pier

not 100% sure but from the box shots I've seen of the released UK version and spy shots of the T-mobile US version, the only difference is in the 3G/UTMS frequency.
UK is 900/1700/2100
US is 1700/1900/2100
plehmann said:
Since I live in the armpit of technology, NZ, I'm in the process of looking to source this phone abroad, just sold my desire HD for a great price here ( at least there is a benefit for living here -reselling value holds good) and was looking for the best place to buy the phone.
Boils down to US or UK.
If its the UK, then Clove.co.uk will be my first choice as they have done well by me before ( though they were expensive compared to the US , I had £ there, so used that first)
If I get the sensation 4G for vodafone here (2100 and 900MHz) am I likely to run into any issues.
or should I get it from the UK.
what are the differences between the models if any... can't find nowt anywhere comparing the models for any differences.... is it just a marketing difference ??
Damn those XDA videos are getting great !!!
Pier
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I think the phones are identical except the US version has Tmobile bloatware.
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NardVa said:
I think the phones are identical except the US version has Tmobile bloatware.
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From what I understand T-Mobile is relatively good when it comes to bloatware. They have even released some phones with stock Android versus the version with the OEM's skin.
Not as good as the Vodafone version I'm guessing though and never as good as the sim-unlocked one but still I'm hoping it's not horrible.

I tend to get my phones from expansys.co.nz. However they don't have a price or availability yet.

1) Will there be a speed difference if used on Tmo US?
2) Will it be possible to flash the Rom from the Sensation 4G to the Sensation in the future for wifi calling?

solsearch said:
From what I understand T-Mobile is relatively good when it comes to bloatware.
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Oh, so not true. Some of the problems the G2X (O2X) are experiencing are being attributed to some of the T-Mobile apps. And that was supposed to be a "vanilla Google" phone. Their version will have a proprietary Wi-Fi Calling app that will no doubt interfere with SIP on the phone. You'll also be dependent on T-Mobile for updates which will always be slower than HTC direct. If you're going to root the phone and load custom ROMs this is of course mute.

[Q] HTC 8X questions for new user

Hello,
I was looking to buy an 8X and had a few questions before I do I was hoping someone could/would answer:
1. I was wondering if anyone can post suggestions of reputable retailers that sell the "HTC Windows Phone 8X Unlocked" that will work on AT&T with 4G LTE.
Please note I am looking for the official "Unlocked" version straight from HTC.
2. Is it possible to share the internet via Wi-Fi/Bluetooth/USB with the 8X to a PC or other device?
3. Can any one post highly recommended custom ROMs for the 8X?
I am coming from an older HTC HD2 using Dutty's ROMs and I am looking to see what I can do similar with the new 8X phone.
Thanks.

1. I bought it straight from Bell Aliant (Canadian AT&T). Hence, I couldn't recommend you any retailers.
2. Sure is! As far as I know, you can only do a Wifi Hotspot.
3. There's no custom ROMs for WP8. It's a Windows Phone, really not as open as Android. But really, you don't need a custom ROM. I was an Android fanboy before switching to Windows Phone. I loved the idea of customizing my phone and using the latest, fastest ROM. However, this phone is seriously the fastest phone I've ever used, without even having a custom ROM.

I bought an unlocked and unbranded Bell (Canada) 8X. It works 100% on ATT after a couple of tweaks like APN's. I believe that AT&T and Bell are the only two versions that will work with AT&T's LTE. Do some research and check out the exact model numbers before purchasing.
xrufusx said:
Hello,
I was looking to buy an 8X and had a few questions before I do I was hoping someone could/would answer:
1. I was wondering if anyone can post suggestions of reputable retailers that sell the "HTC Windows Phone 8X Unlocked" that will work on AT&T with 4G LTE.
Please note I am looking for the official "Unlocked" version straight from HTC.
2. Is it possible to share the internet via Wi-Fi/Bluetooth/USB with the 8X to a PC or other device?
3. Can any one post highly recommended custom ROMs for the 8X?
I am coming from an older HTC HD2 using Dutty's ROMs and I am looking to see what I can do similar with the new 8X phone.
Thanks.
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