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So today at CES they announced the only thing i actually care about; Liquipel. What's Liquipel? Well thats a good question, reader! Liquipel is a coating you put on your smartphone that basically waterproofs the interior and exterior. Any water that touches the coated area will just slide off. Why should you care? Well, our beloved Droid Charge is among the small list of supported devices! Of course they will expand that list over time but it's nice to see our phone getting some attention by being first on the list.
Heres a video test of Liquipel.
http://youtu.be/Ln0daAowdJI
Heres an article.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Waterproof-your-smartphone-or-tablet-using-Liquipel-coating_id25758
Yeah i'd say thats cool!
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Awesome.... Cant wait to text while swimming
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Interesting piece of information might buy it
By me, for me and i love you
Wow that is cool
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This tech has a lot of potential, but I have to speak my skepticism. I watched their demo video showing an iPhone being submerged in water and still working. Seems all well and nifty, right? I highly doubt they would use anything but distilled water for their demo. Guess what, entire computer motherboards have been submerged in distilled water while in operation and lasted even over a minute. Distilled water is non-conductive. I suspect that a computer would continue operation in distilled water if the water, acting as a mild solvent (due to water's dipole moment) didn't dissolve some of the matter on the board like dust or chemicals.
While I would love to believe that this tech will pan out well, I will believe it when I see it for real. This tech, in my opinion, is almost certain to fail if a phone is submerged in salt-water.
I would love to be proved wrong, and I will be following this tech closely.
They should try urine just for better real world results. People like myself can speak from experience.
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I wouldn't call this waterproof by any means. More like highly water resistant-just so that you aren't afraid to use it in the rain.
And xdadevnube, even distilled water conducts enough electricity to be plenty damaging to computers. Maybe you're thinking of mineral oil.
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xdadevnube said:
This tech has a lot of potential, but I have to speak my skepticism. I watched their demo video showing an iPhone being submerged in water and still working. Seems all well and nifty, right? I highly doubt they would use anything but distilled water for their demo. Guess what, entire computer motherboards have been submerged in distilled water while in operation and lasted even over a minute. Distilled water is non-conductive. I suspect that a computer would continue operation in distilled water if the water, acting as a mild solvent (due to water's dipole moment) didn't dissolve some of the matter on the board like dust or chemicals.
While I would love to believe that this tech will pan out well, I will believe it when I see it for real. This tech, in my opinion, is almost certain to fail if a phone is submerged in salt-water.
I would love to be proved wrong, and I will be following this tech closely.
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Distilled water, while being less conductive than most water, is still conductive. De-ionized water would be the least conductive, but still, itself is conductive. It may not be much, but it would still be enough to short out a computer or circuit board.
Sounds like a great idea, though I would be worried about scratchs that would possibly remove such a coating. That or if you remove your battery cover?
Only other thing is, if I have to send my phone into them, even if I overnight it, I'm out a phone for 2.x to 3.x days at least. Who can go without their cell phone for that long? I know I can't!
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Distilled water, while being less conductive than most water, is still conductive. De-ionized water would be the least conductive, but still, itself is conductive. It may not be much, but it would still be enough to short out a computer or circuit board.
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Thanks for the correction. I am rather curious how well the tech would hold up to both tap water and sea water though.
It would be a bummer to pay for the coating only to find our your device gets "hosed" from being exposed to water.
I wonder if the device could be protected from damage while the battery slowly discharged in the water (I presume the battery terminals will still leak current into the water.) So if you dropped your phone in a body of water until the battery was gone, then your device might still work after being allowed to dry?
Odds are that something besides the battery would short out first. Sea water would obviously be the worst as it is much more corrosive and conductive than tap water. Personally, even if I had this coating, I'd still treat my phone the same way and pull the battery immediately if it got into water, and then dry it out thoroughly before even thinking about putting the battery back in.
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Odds are that something besides the battery would short out first. Sea water would obviously be the worst as it is much more corrosive and conductive than tap water. Personally, even if I had this coating, I'd still treat my phone the same way and pull the battery immediately if it got into water, and then dry it out thoroughly before even thinking about putting the battery back in.
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Exactly. This coating isn't really meant to let you play with your phone underwater or get cool underwater photos. You still shouldn't try to get it wet, this just adds protection in-case it does happen. Kinda like a case, it doesn't make your phone invincible, you could still get cracks and/or damage your phone from dropping it but it really helps.
This looks really cool, and promising! I'm not really hard on my phones and usually keep them dry and take good care of them... but this interests me for that extra level of protection.
Lets face it, water/liquid is one of the biggest killers of phones!
Can't wait to hear from someone on here that gets theirs done, it will be nice to see an independent report vs. mfg claims.
looked at their site, and I don't see it being worth the cost. If my phone gets wet and needs replaced, I can pay the same amount for an insurance replacement.
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Everyone seems to assume that any liquid on aany electronic equiptment will damage the electronics. This is Incorrect.
To be precise, the two things that >certain< liquids do to electronics are:
1. If the electronic has any form of current going through it and a CONDUCTIVE liquid is put in contact with it, the liquid may conduct electricity from one compononent to another. The receiving side might not take kindly to this incoming current.
2. If the electronic is put into contact with a CORROSIVE liquid (ie a liquid that will react with any material that a component is made of), contacts or other electronic parts can get worn out. To elaborate, imagine the rust that water will cause on the metal parts of a motherboard.
Another common myth: water conducts electricity <- false
Distillled water, which is as close to pure h2o as anyone cares to make does NOT actually conduct electricity. Drinking wwater, tap water, sea water, pretty much every other kind (as well as most other liquids out there) have dissolved ions. Those ions in an aqueous solution are what conduct the electricity.
So to recap, the reason you take out the batt on your phone when you drop it into the pool (you do this right?) is so that you dont cook a chip or other piece of your motherboard by, for example, bridging your batteries direct current to your processor (helluvah overclock huh?)
water is fine on electronics as long as there is no power source attached and you make sure to leave no trace of water on it (use a can of air or put it into a bag of rice which will draw out the water over a week or so). Tap water will probably leave residue of dissolves ions after the water evaporates... you dont want that on your motherboard do ya?
Strictly speaking, distilled wwater on your motherboard shouldnt cause any problems (as far as i know) even with a power source attached and running. Of course this is an ideal situation and in real life, complications may arise so i wouldnt do it just for the sake of doing it.
Alcohol is often used on electronics because it evaporizes extremely quickly and leaves no trace of itself. I dont think pure alcohol conducts electricity (anyone?)
So personally, if i dropped my phone in the toilet, id pull the batt and motherboard and submerge the motherboard in pure distilled water or alcohol blow it out with compressed air and then let it dry in uncooked rice for a week.
To conclude my rambling, i have a friend who washed his motherboard with soap and water and it worked afterwards....
Why not?
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Interesting... I don't think pure alcohol will conduct electricity because it's just CH3-CH2-OH, and there are no ions or other charges.
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Interesting... I don't think pure alcohol will conduct electricity because it's just CH3-CH2-OH, and there are no ions or other charges.
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It probably wouldn't keep very long either. Pure alcohol evaporates almost instantly.
Pure water doesnt conduct electricity either. (VERY high resistance). As soon as water mixes with dust/ dirt/ anything it becomes a solution.
It seems stupid but if you drop it in salt water it is better to soak it in clean water before drying.
Anyone dared to submerge their lovely new shiny phone in water yet?
Edit: Could mods move this to General/discussion please, my bad.
I did, I dropped it in the tub. Only for a couple of seconds though. Running fine no issues.
I am coming from a mate 9 the only thing I see different is the sim card tray has a big rubber seal on it. I guess if they added the same seal on the mate 9 it could qualify for IP68+. I did drop coffee on the mate 9 and the sim tray became almost glued but it kept on humming until I tried to remove it today. It came out but half the sim card seems to have Melted inside the phone.
Good to know, i'm still dubious of any device that has charging port, headphone jack, speaker, microphone and no visible covers.........and being a fisherman it's a bonus knowing that a dip in the lake would still leave the phone working.
For your entertainment!
https://youtu.be/OwqFGSqOMaI
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For your entertainment!
https://youtu.be/OwqFGSqOMaI
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Did you do that? Kudos my friend.
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Did you do that? Kudos my friend.
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For sure!
Here's another!
https://youtu.be/gcta3h5dA2M
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havent yet with my new phone but my s7e has seen the water many times even recorded underwater
Took the plunge and tried it myself..........won't be trying it again as it just doesn't feel right submerging the phone!!
https://youtu.be/_aXNcS0gajI
I wouldn't make it a habit of purposely using the phone underwater.
Yes, it can take it.
Should you do it, on purpose? Not really.
Just as you don't test a fire extinguisher or even an airbag, it's reassurance in case of accident that your device won't be rendered inoperable.
Water still gets in things even though it doesn't get inside. The headphone jack has internal contacts and these will get contaminated with mineral deposits left behind from being exposed to water. Sea water is far worse as the salt residue that's left behind is highly hygroscopic (meaning it absorbs moisture) so every time the device is in a humid environment those surfaces become wet to the touch and that wetness is both highly corrosive AND conductive. This is why any gear, no matter what its waterproofness rating is, must be rinsed with *fresh* water after use in marine environments.
In short, your device continues to operate but make no mistake about it, you're reducing its useful lifespan with repeated dunks and swims.
I don't intend on giving mine any more dips.....and wouldn't dream of putting it in salt water...........but curiosity got the better of me when i went to the lake to see a couple of mates fishing
same if not better then the s7 edge.
I wash off my s7 edge before because i was working a car and grab te phone and it got dirty.
Also install water screen protector on my s7e , note 7 and s8+ all work fine.
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I wouldn't make it a habit of purposely using the phone underwater.
Yes, it can take it.
Should you do it, on purpose? Not really.
Just as you don't test a fire extinguisher or even an airbag, it's reassurance in case of accident that your device won't be rendered inoperable.
Water still gets in things even though it doesn't get inside. The headphone jack has internal contacts and these will get contaminated with mineral deposits left behind from being exposed to water. Sea water is far worse as the salt residue that's left behind is highly hygroscopic (meaning it absorbs moisture) so every time the device is in a humid environment those surfaces become wet to the touch and that wetness is both highly corrosive AND conductive. This is why any gear, no matter what its waterproofness rating is, must be rinsed with *fresh* water after use in marine environments.
In short, your device continues to operate but make no mistake about it, you're reducing its useful lifespan with repeated dunks and swims.
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A sensible reply. Ever since the Sony Xperia Z was released I have been debating (arguing like crazy) with peers that these mobiles are NOT waterproof, they have the smallest amount of water resistance. If one reads the manual, and very VERY few owners do, they will realise this water resistance is more of a 'splash resistance' in reality.
Sure Sony had adverts with people making calls while standing in a swimming pool etc BUT soon realised their marketing mistakes. Swimming pool chemicals destroy the protective membranes and cause no end of other problems. I wished all manufactures would simply refer to the mobile as splash resistant.
I have written pages on this very subject. Even though Samsung write that the mobile may be submerged in water to a depth of 1.5M for 30 minutes this is so woefully subjective. Even at surface level immersion in water if you swish the mobile about the force of water induced by movement can and will penetrate the mobiles membranes, its simple lores of science. Sure if one very gently and slowly submerges the mobile to 1.5M for a short period in theory all should be well. WHO is going to do that and why would they?
The IP rating is in reality just saying one can answer the phone with wet hands and make a call in the rain. The mobile device is very VERY far from an underwater camera that is designed for that purpose.
To close, its not truly about depth of water and time but water pressure FWIW. Soap box awayyyyyy:laugh:
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To close, its not truly about depth of water and time but water pressure FWIW. Soap box awayyyyyy:laugh:
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Is water pressure not down to the depth of water?
Depth pressure is a static reading.
If you toss the phone into a pool that's 1 meter deep the actual realized pressure, albeit brief, is going to be much higher.
This is why you cannot snorkel with a wristwatch rated at 50 meters. The deeper you want to go the more evident this becomes.
Ryland brings up this point that I left out but is painfully obvious to those familiar with it.
Showering with a device is much different than wearing it on your wrist or hip and walking around even if only submersed under a foot or two of water.
I've seen rainproof electrical enclosures fail and upon inspection find them full of water as if their covers were off during the storm. This happens because heavy rain with no wind and heavy rain with 100mph wind gusts are completely different things. They do make such enclosures that are designed for these conditions and they are much more expensive.
If you really want to play with your devices around the pool including dunking and shooting video underwater, invest in a waterproof case. And even then a few drops of water inside the case won't affect your device. Protection is always better in layers.
Just copied this from W'Pedia. I use watches as an example of how the general public are fooled into believing what is written on the back of ones daily watch, vis:..... Quote........
"Water resistance classification[edit]
Watches are often classified by watch manufacturers by their degree of water resistance which, due to the absence of official classification standards, roughly translates to the following (1 metre ≈ 3.29 feet). These vagueries have since been superseded by ISO 22810:2010, in which "any watch on the market sold as water-resistant must satisfy ISO 22810 – regardless of the brand." [5]
Water resistance rating Suitability Remarks
Water Resistant 3 atm or 30 m Suitable for everyday use. Splash/rain resistant. Not suitable for showering, bathing, swimming, snorkelling, water related work and fishing. Not suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 5 atm or 50 m Suitable for swimming, white water rafting, non-snorkeling water related work, and fishing. Not suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 10 atm or 100 m Suitable for recreational surfing, swimming, snorkeling, sailing and water sports. Not suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 20 atm or 200 m Suitable for professional marine activity, serious surface water sports and skin diving. Suitable for skin diving.
Diver's 100 m Minimum ISO standard (ISO 6425) for scuba diving at depths not suitable for saturation diving. Diver's 100 m and 150 m watches are generally old(er) watches.
Diver's 200 m or 300 m Suitable for scuba diving at depths not suitable for saturation diving. Typical ratings for contemporary diver's watches.
Diver's 300+ m for mixed-gas diving Suitable for saturation diving (helium enriched environment). Watches designed for mixed-gas diving will have the DIVER'S WATCH xxx M FOR MIXED-GAS DIVING additional marking to point this out." End quote.
As you can see a wrist watch rated at 30M is ONLY splash-rain proof!!!!!! Though I am not a horologist some of my family have been for generations and the topic of water resistance is very close to my heart after ruing a VERY expensive watch some many years ago in the shower?!
Ryland
I keep phones on average 3 months. I'm a serial upgrader. Ever since my s6 I've been habitually swimming with my phone's. Never had a issue other than maybe for 24 hours the speaker is miffeled....Now if you plan on actually keeping the phone for longer than the blink of an eye then if baby it. But I jump on demand waaaaaay too often.
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Yes BUT. Its an awful lot more complex than that. There is static water pressure ie 1ATM per 10.33M of depth. Remember the surface is already measured at 1ATM . Add force of movement and those figures can go through the roof.
Fill your bath with water and allow your mobile to slowly sink to the bottom, generally no problem BUT if you hold the mobile in your hand and force it through the water even at 1" depth the force becomes another dimension of added pressure.
Our kids splash us with a garden hose and we all laugh. Get hit by a professional fire hose and it will take you for a ride down the street. Yet another example of water pressure.
The above poster says he regularly swims with his mobile. He adds he changes them every three months. Not only will the constant exposure to swimming pool chemicals degenerate the membranes on the mobile but one fine day he will be very surprised to find he has one screwed mobile.
Its a 1k€ device. I respect it for what it is. I also change phones at least 3-4 times a year but when I sell them they are brand new and have not been subjected to misuse. :highfive:
Ryland
Is this properly waterproof?
Has anyone tried?
I don't trust mine for some reason....
kolembo said:
Is this properly waterproof?
Has anyone tried?
I don't trust mine for some reason....
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I tried YouTube in the shower to play some music. It starts doing all sort of things as it recognized water drops as touch actions on the screen. The moment the water hits the speakers it starts going dodgy. A good wipe later and the phone works perfectly. Although I must admit I started panicking a bit when I started hearing the distortions from the speakers.
I have not emerged it fully in water so that's all I've got for now. But I got great fate in it. I work on a boat in shallow waters so no doubt it will fall in one day and I'm going to go fishing for it. I will come with updates when it does happen
@yolinkin
ha!
Well done. Yeah, steam in my bath gets the screen acting funny.
I just need to know that it will survive an accidental dunking!
Onward.
kolembo said:
@yolinkin
ha!
Well done. Yeah, steam in my bath gets the screen acting funny.
I just need to know that it will survive an accidental dunking!
Onward.
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I already tried twice to use it underwater on purpose. Both times it got damaged. The HTC support didnt even knew it should be waterproof, so I got both times a new one from Vodafone Germany. If it happens a third time, I'll choose another phone, because it was the additional reason for me to buy it. Shame on HTC..
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I already tried twice to use it underwater on purpose. Both times it got damaged. The HTC support didnt even knew it should be waterproof, so I got both times a new one from Vodafone Germany. If it happens a third time, I'll choose another phone, because it was the additional reason for me to buy it. Shame on HTC..
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They don't know it should be water proof, because it isn't. It's advertised as water/dust resistant. 2 different things.
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I already tried twice to use it underwater on purpose. Both times it got damaged. The HTC support didnt even knew it should be waterproof, so I got both times a new one from Vodafone Germany. If it happens a third time, I'll choose another phone, because it was the additional reason for me to buy it. Shame on HTC..
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Can you elaborate what you tried?
Don't understand why people want to drown their phones underwater. I do believe HTC's intention for making it water resistant was for more device protection, not for snapchat scuba diving Lmao. Although, it did seem they were leading us to believe that we could take under water pics with the squeeze feature. They dropped the ball on that one.
Mine fell into sea water
It never turned on
and he is dead
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Mine fell into sea water
It never turned on
and he is dead
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Probably due to the salt in sea water. When it dries it crystallises. If any got in, it will affect the internal components.
Also check HTC website. It states clearly that it should only be resistant against still fresh/Tap water. Info attached.
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The first time I had it 20cm under water for 10s. Some bubbles left from the microphone down below. This time I#d wouldnt even survived a rondom accident with water.
The second time I tried it in my bathtub for around 5 minutes to test if pics or vids would work. It did a bit. Controlling the phone while changing from water to air or the other direction is impossible, because it unterstands waterdrpos as input. so if u dive into water, it automatically pushes both buttons.
Controlling it fully under water work, but u dont really see what u do.
The thing is, if HTC says it is IP 67, it also should be it. So I will also try it with ne next changed one. When something happens in the future, I really want it to be waterproof.
I think there is a general misconception of the official IP67 rating..
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73584248&postcount=29
Just check there, also HTC claim, quite correctly it should resist water, but (like the official IP67 rating claims) you shouldn't submerge your device intentionally.
Trust me on this, I'm an engineer, IP67 does not mean you can happily use your device underwater, it should just survive a short trip into water (ie accidents) and you should be able to use it in rain etc.
I grew up knowing that electronic devices and water do not mix. I have owned almost all of the flagships without ever worrying about waterproofing. I never have water issues with my device cause I don't think it's a good idea to put it in water. This issue is way overblown.
I think this water resistance fad needs to die. I'd rather have removable battery than this 30 minute water resistance bs.
Btw, it's not waterproof that would imply it's resistant to water indefinitely these phones are simply water resistant.
Further there have been situations where phones that have been exposed to water won't charge because a sensor thinks the charge port is wet (on the s8 anyway).
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I think there is a general misconception of the official IP67 rating..
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73584248&postcount=29
Just check there, also HTC claim, quite correctly it should resist water, but (like the official IP67 rating claims) you shouldn't submerge your device intentionally.
Trust me on this, I'm an engineer, IP67 does not mean you can happily use your device underwater, it should just survive a short trip into water (ie accidents) and you should be able to use it in rain etc.
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Agreed. I'm an engineer as well, and "water resistance" definitely refers to "water", like tap water or mineral water. It won't resist to sea water, orange juice, coca cola, high temperature bath/shower/SPA, and the steam.
And for some who put their phones into the refrigerator in summer and when phone gets hot, the water comes from the air inside...won't resist to that either.
Definitely not water proof
Hi there
The U11 is definitely not water proof. In the brief desctiption (at least in Switzerland, guess it's the same in "any" german description) it is clearly stated "Wasserdicht" (= water proof). Today the device fell into sea water, maybe 1 m and stayed for about 30 seconds.
After some hours I opened he sim tray and the white spot (liquid damage indicator (LDI)appeared red. So water definitely penetrated the device. Guess it doesn't matter wether it's sea or other water - but the damages inside are certainly higher with sea water due to the salt.
I could turn on the device and it felt into a kind of boot loop. Starting up in download mode worked. It is now in a rice bath and I am waiting now a few hours.
Hope I don't have to buy a new device...
And I will have to adjust my signature...
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Hi there
The U11 is definitely not water proof. In the brief desctiption (at least in Switzerland, guess it's the same in "any" german description) it is clearly stated "Wasserdicht" (= water proof). Today the device fell into sea water, maybe 1 m and stayed for about 30 seconds.
After some hours I opened he sim tray and the white spot (liquid damage indicator (LDI)appeared red. So water definitely penetrated the device. Guess it doesn't matter wether it's sea or other water - but the damages inside are certainly higher with sea water due to the salt.
I could turn on the device and it felt into a kind of boot loop. Starting up in download mode worked. It is now in a rice bath and I am waiting now a few hours.
Hope I don't have to buy a new device...
And I will have to adjust my signature...
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Contact support and play dumb and tell them it fell into the sink or toilet bowl.
Do not tell them it fell into salt water (as it is not rated to withstand salt water) and keep your fingers crossed
konsti23 said:
Hi there
The U11 is definitely not water proof. In the brief desctiption (at least in Switzerland, guess it's the same in "any" german description) it is clearly stated "Wasserdicht" (= water proof). Today the device fell into sea water, maybe 1 m and stayed for about 30 seconds.
After some hours I opened he sim tray and the white spot (liquid damage indicator (LDI)appeared red. So water definitely penetrated the device. Guess it doesn't matter wether it's sea or other water - but the damages inside are certainly higher with sea water due to the salt.
I could turn on the device and it felt into a kind of boot loop. Starting up in download mode worked. It is now in a rice bath and I am waiting now a few hours.
Hope I don't have to buy a new device...
And I will have to adjust my signature...
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Salt water is no friend to any waterproof device. I have used multiple times my S7 and U11 in salt water and they are perfectly fine as long you clean them quickly with "sweat" water.
My balls are not big enough to try submerging it. As long it resist a little sweat and the occasional rain I'm happy with it.
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Has anyone tried?
I don't trust mine for some reason....
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I took mine to a water park for a day, only issue I had was audio distortion for a few hours while the speakers dried out.
Water proof - guarantee case - update
Hi all
Small update regarding the "water proof" case. Well, it shows up that the thing is getting very complicate. I explain how the reparation chain is organized in Switzerland:
- Device is sold in Electronic Shop (the name is not important)
- In case of reparation: Drop the device with Electronic Shop
- Electronic shop sends device to a reparation center in Switzerand which repairs normally devices (any brands). At this repair center, HTC devices are NOT repaired, they are sent to Czech Republic (or Poland - I don't remember) for reparation.
- And then the whole chain is going back to the Electronic shop
Now, I have received an invoice for the reparation because of the water damage. After that I have contacted the reparation center Switzerland (which explained that they don't repair HTC devices) and after that the reparation center abroad. They now play the game telling me "Yes, your device has a water damage". When I reply that the HTC U11 is supposed NOT to have water damages (according to the specs) I get the reply "yes, we understand that you are angry, but in case of water damages we can't do anything. And your device has a water damage".
Next reply: Reparation center in Switzerland says "Please refer to Reparation Center abroad". Reparation Center abroad says "Please see this case with reparation center in Switzerland". So nobody is taking it's responsibilities.
I also get the statement from the reparation center abroad that every device is tested for water proof before they are sold. And this would also be a reason that my device was not water proof on another spot. YES SURE!
I am really pxxxed off. This is the first time in 10 years that I have a reparation in guarantee. If HTC is not willing to repair my device as guarantee case then I am done with them. I HOPE HTC READS THIS.
Thanks for reading
Can I you my phone with Whitestone doom screen protector understand water?
probably not if submerged for any length of time but splash or similar yes
Please don't submerge the phone underwater. Samsung doesn't help you if it gets damaged.
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Lol. Like anybody is going to listen. Water resistant means water proof to the uninformed. The batteries are sealed but still no proof of water proof. They should sell phones with swappable batteries and sealed for the people who think it's ok to take showers with electronics or take care of ceramic business with their phones inches above sewage. All those signatories to the Paris Accord but little has changed.
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Can I you my phone with Whitestone doom screen protector understand water?
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Ive been pretty consistent in submerging my phones since the note7 without issue and Im curious as well.
I think it would probably provide some good information researching the adhesive itself.
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Lol. Like anybody is going to listen. Water resistant means water proof to the uninformed. The batteries are sealed but still no proof of water proof. They should sell phones with swappable batteries and sealed for the people who think it's ok to take showers with electronics or take care of ceramic business with their phones inches above sewage. All those signatories to the Paris Accord but little has changed.
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They clearly state its able to be submerged in water for 10-15 minutes with no damage. You think taking a shower with it is going to damage the phone?? LOL.
Edit: 30 minutes actually.
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They clearly state its able to be submerged in water for 10-15 minutes with no damage. You think taking a shower with it is going to damage the phone?? LOL.
Edit: 30 minutes actually.
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I wouldn't even bother.
The arguments will be
Samsung doesnt suggest/cover it
How does someone know you didn't go to outside the IP rating threshold
Water and electronics dont mix
People will explain water resistant vs proof
The wearing down of water seals
Honorable mention: Shower steam
It's their phone. Let em eat cake.
OPGT said:
They clearly state its able to be submerged in water for 10-15 minutes with no damage. You think taking a shower with it is going to damage the phone?? LOL.
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I stick to my water resistant claim. You know the first thing they look for is water ingress for a repair. I can't even test the 'proof' for fear of failure. Once the OEMs change up their wording and how they handle claims I'll be more than happy to go along with 'waterproof' claims. Until then, I stick to water resistant claims.
Another reason is batteries. We have climate change going on not to mention a myriad of infrastructure failing including trash and recycling and batteries are very hard for the end user to swap because people are so addicted to these technological marvel slabs, not only do people sleep with their phones (literally) but showering and using them on the toilet is more important than the environment. This could easily be handled two ways. Make phones with battery covers and water proof phones for the choice or make it water proof/resistant but easily swappable by the end user. This can be done easily with screws or other methods. But fashion is also a higher priority. BTW, have you read the Paris Agreement? I am halfway through it. I am the only person I know that has even bothered. And recycling phones and batteries isn't all that easy and cheap. And China just stopped taking our trash which is already causing the US huge problems. Know about the black river in China? You looked into India a little more closely? End of rant.
Reality and specs are two different things. Ask Sony when they first started making waterproof claims and people were testing those claims and lots of phones failed the 'proof' test and Sony's marketing and liability wording changed. Samsung and Apple also fail on this part. Samsung Active phones which were made more rugged and water proof was much higher on the spec and marketing list and look where that went. To my knowledge Samsung has unofficially discontinued the Active line which means we don't get the choice of safeguarding our environment and unnecessary convenience.
So yeah, I think taking a shower is at high risk of damage to the phone, your wallet and stress levels. The only time I've been worried about water is when I go fishing. The remedy? Ziplock bag and still able to use my phone. Rain hasn't been a worry for a few years. If OEMs are true to their marketing and claims, the inside circuitry should have a nano coating to repel water and lessen chance of a short. Tests on YouTube mean nothing also. Wasn't it the S8 Active that failed miserably in the real world? Makes you wonder more about cherry picking. Or not.
You willing to make a 30 minute video of your note9 at least 1 meter underwater to share with us? Water resistance is very low on my priority list.
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I stick to my water resistant claim. You know the first thing they look for is water ingress for a repair. I can't even test the 'proof' for fear of failure. Once the OEMs change up their wording and how they handle claims I'll be more than happy to go along with 'waterproof' claims. Until then, I stick to water resistant claims.
Another reason is batteries. We have climate change going on not to mention a myriad of infrastructure failing including trash and recycling and batteries are very hard for the end user to swap because people are so addicted to these technological marvel slabs, not only do people sleep with their phones (literally) but showering and using them on the toilet is more important than the environment. This could easily be handled two ways. Make phones with battery covers and water proof phones for the choice or make it water proof/resistant but easily swappable by the end user. This can be done easily with screws or other methods. But fashion is also a higher priority. BTW, have you read the Paris Agreement? I am halfway through it. I am the only person I know that has even bothered. And recycling phones and batteries isn't all that easy and cheap. And China just stopped taking our trash which is already causing the US huge problems. Know about the black river in China? You looked into India a little more closely? End of rant.
Reality and specs are two different things. Ask Sony when they first started making waterproof claims and people were testing those claims and lots of phones failed the 'proof' test and Sony's marketing and liability wording changed. Samsung and Apple also fail on this part. Samsung Active phones which were made more rugged and water proof was much higher on the spec and marketing list and look where that went. To my knowledge Samsung has unofficially discontinued the Active line which means we don't get the choice of safeguarding our environment and unnecessary convenience.
So yeah, I think taking a shower is at high risk of damage to the phone, your wallet and stress levels. The only time I've been worried about water is when I go fishing. The remedy? Ziplock bag and still able to use my phone. Rain hasn't been a worry for a few years. If OEMs are true to their marketing and claims, the inside circuitry should have a nano coating to repel water and lessen chance of a short. Tests on YouTube mean nothing also. Wasn't it the S8 Active that failed miserably in the real world? Makes you wonder more about cherry picking. Or not.
You willing to make a 30 minute video of your note9 at least 1 meter underwater to share with us? Water resistance is very low on my priority list.
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Not going to make a random person a 30 minute video just to prove a point. I take showers with it from time to time. My last phone was the S7 edge and did the same. Even swam with it for a couple minutes under water. Do whatever you want lol.
I took my Note 7 in the pool before I sent it back to Samsung to be put down, no issues but I did wait until I had a new phone to try it.
Last month my wife dropped her S7 with a crack in the screen in the pool, and it was after she showered and put on make-up so she didn't jump in and get it, she got the pool skimmer and took her time getting it out. No issues.
Still not interested in taking my Note 9 swimming, I have a GoPro for that.