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The EEE Transformer is the pick for me i think, have just bought an ipad2 a few weeks back and it sucks (no jailbreak = no customization) [No offence Apple lovers]
Tho i would love to have a Windows7 tablet with the EEE's AWSOME dock, SD Reader, USB ect ect, but also run android on it. will it be possible to dual-boot the two OS' ?
Not officially off course but eventually, is it possible for devs to port over win7 ?
might be a silly question but i have to know before i go purshasing one..
Nico
No. windows seven doesnt.run on arm hardware. Windows 8 might. But no one.knows when that is being released. But to answer ur question. No though you can remotly connect to a pc
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Definitely not possible currently, as nobody has access to a Windows 7 build compiled for ARM processors, at least other than Microsoft themselves and perhaps a few outside people doing testing for them...
Eventually, an ARM build of Win7 or a future Win release (depends whom you ask) is on the cards (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/21/us-dealtalk-intel-idUSTRE73K7ZZ20110421 "Microsoft's plans to make future versions of Windows 7 compatible with ARM is another reason why Intel needs to move faster to get into Microsoft devices, Shah said"), but I'd guess you won't be able to buy it retail, and even if you can, whether or not you can install it depends on a lot more than just whether the processor architecture is right.
I'd give this a chance of "slim to none".
xNixon said:
The EEE Transformer is the pick for me i think, have just bought an ipad2 a few weeks back and it sucks (no jailbreak = no customization) [No offence Apple lovers]
Tho i would love to have a Windows7 tablet with the EEE's AWSOME dock, SD Reader, USB ect ect, but also run android on it. will it be possible to dual-boot the two OS' ?
Not officially off course but eventually, is it possible for devs to port over win7 ?
might be a silly question but i have to know before i go purshasing one..
Nico
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Search? It's been answered many times before.
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Search? It's been answered many times before.
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...and it's been answered twice before your post, as well.
Your best alternative to a Windows 7-running tablet similar to the transformer would be the Acer Iconia W500, which is similar to the A500 except for the fact that it runs windows. It will also have a keyboard dock accessory, although i personally prefer the ASUS offering
Rumor has it that the Eee Pad Slider (transformer with a slide out keyboard buit into the back) will have both android (ARM) and windows 7 (AMD fusion I believe) based models.
Because I know they made it to tablets and PC
Does it even possible?
i9apps said:
Because I know they made it to tablets and PC
Does it even possible?
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No, it isn't possible. The TF2 on the other hand should be able to handle it just fine.
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never say never !! They alredy showd a demo on a Tegra2 tablet
Maroon Mushroom said:
No, it isn't possible. The TF2 on the other hand should be able to handle it just fine.
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Can you back up what you saying. Is it because you say so? Do you have any links or so to backup your comment? I thought it doesnt need much resources or much lesser as win 7. Even the older intel atom silicons will run on it and with 1 gig ram. If I am wrong please correct me
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Can you back up what you saying. Is it because you say so? Do you have any links or so to backup your comment? I thought it doesnt need much resources or much lesser as win 7. Even the older intel atom silicons will run on it and with 1 gig ram. If I am wrong please correct me
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Just what i am thinking
Would be cool to have some programs that haven't got a open source counter part
But then the next question would be how to have Android Ubuntu and windows 8 lol
I'd probably choose Ubuntu if couldn't have all three windows is what the desktops for after all
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It's not likely to happen unless Microsoft decides to offer an OEM installer of the tablet version of the OS. The current state of tablets and phones is that all of these devices come pre-installed with an OS, with no ability to change which OS is installed without hacking it and voiding the warranty as reflected in the TOS or EULA of the devices. You are sold the device as is with no support from the manufacturer for installing third party software.
The only reason we can still install Android on devices like the iPhone and HP TouchPad is because Android is open source, which allows independent developers to custom tailor the OS to new hardware. Microsoft Windows is not open source, and therefore the burden lies upon Microsoft to work with the manufacturers to develop an inventory of working drivers and bootloaders for full Windows 8 support on tablets.
If you buy a PC without Windows already installed on it, you need an OEM installer disc to install the OS. There is no such thing offered by Microsoft for Windows Phone 7, there has not been any word of a similar solution when Windows 8 hits tablets and phones, nor does there exist consumer phones and tablets that can be bought without an OS pre-installed. For now, only the desktop version of Windows 8 will be installable on third party or custom hardware.
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For now, only the desktop version of Windows 8 will be installable on third party or custom hardware.
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There is no such think as a desktop version of Windows 8. Everything is one version - it is only that they have only released x84/64 versions for download as of now.
Nothing is stopping you having an ARM desktop PC if that's what you choose. It's just a processor - nothing to do with form factor.
my tf is going to run win8.
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It's not likely to happen unless Microsoft decides to offer an OEM installer of the tablet version of the OS. The current state of tablets and phones is that all of these devices come pre-installed with an OS, with no ability to change which OS is installed without hacking it and voiding the warranty as reflected in the TOS or EULA of the devices. You are sold the device as is with no support from the manufacturer for installing third party software.
The only reason we can still install Android on devices like the iPhone and HP TouchPad is because Android is open source, which allows independent developers to custom tailor the OS to new hardware. Microsoft Windows is not open source, and therefore the burden lies upon Microsoft to work with the manufacturers to develop an inventory of working drivers and bootloaders for full Windows 8 support on tablets.
If you buy a PC without Windows already installed on it, you need an OEM installer disc to install the OS. There is no such thing offered by Microsoft for Windows Phone 7, there has not been any word of a similar solution when Windows 8 hits tablets and phones, nor does there exist consumer phones and tablets that can be bought without an OS pre-installed. For now, only the desktop version of Windows 8 will be installable on third party or custom hardware.
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These are really good points. But, since MS is already behind on installing OS on about a billion devices I think Windows 8 is a great opportunity to change their current policy and release an installable iso for ARM, Tegra 2 & 3, i5 & i7, etc. That is my opinion.
But, I would not bet on it.
In other news, I hear lipstick sales are on the rise.
LOL
For your information:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/13/...-8-developer-program-with-support-for-kal-el/
Possibly! Since Windows 8 will run on ARM devices and Tegra2 is an ARM device.
Lawliet said:
Possibly! Since Windows 8 will run on ARM devices and Tegra2 is an ARM device.
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From this link it says the Arm version isn't available yet because it is not finished, isn't Tegra 2 an Arm version?
http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/hands-on-windows-8-review-1025259
As expected, Microsoft is using its Build developer conference to distribute a pre-beta, developer preview version of Windows 8 (for x86 PCs only; the hardware to run the ARM version on isn't finished yet).
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If this becomes available for the TF then I will finally have a reason to root the device, dual booting with windows 8 will be a killer. The specs on the the TF should be fine, dual core with 1 gig ram. Moreover it is an optimized touch interface, I can't see myself running to buy a 23 inch touch panel for my desktop just to use Windows 8 as it was designed. Jeez, I will go blind having such a big monitor at arms length.
I can go out today and purchase a retail copy of Windows 7 that I can install on any Intel-based system with the required specs. That's true because the entire PC industry is built around such capabilities.
Will they release a retail copy of ARM-based Windows 8? I dunno. Do they sell embedded versions of Windows at retail? I could see them only selling ARM versions of Windows 8 to OEMs, who custom-install it on their ARM devices. Does that mean it could be made to run on something like the Transformer? I have no idea, but I trust the ingenuity of devs to get it done if it's even remotely possible.
Does that mean I'd use it, if there were no official support? Perhaps not, because these are tools for me as opposed to "just" hobbies. Not that there's anything wrong with it. But I would absolutely use it if Asus were to provide the option and support it.
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windows is what the desktops for after all
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Not really... Windows 8 seems touch optimized IMO. in fact i found it a bit annoying to use on my laptop, nevertheless awesome so I'm keeping Windows 8.
Who is the target market that Microsoft is aiming for with this new OS?
I just don't see traditional PC users running to the stores to upgrade their monitors with touch interface staring at a 24 inch, 1 foot from their face, nor PC users getting used to the Metro interface with no right click traditional mouse support. Let alone the costs of those touch monitors.
If their targeting tablet users I doubt they will make much headway against Apple loyalists so they will go after Android? Android is free, there are little costs associated with the manufactures in using the Android OS, if Samsung, Asus, Acer, toshiba decides to abandon Android and use Windows 8 they will be upping the price for their tablets, would customers pay a premium for an unproven OS? Windows 8 still uses much of Windows 7 core, what about the batt drain?
The more I think about it, I doubt we will get any port over to existing tablets.
The only way I see windows 8 really taking a hold in the tablet field is if it can somehow run traditional x86 windows programs on the arm based version. Otherwise it really has nothing to gain over the competition.
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The only way I see windows 8 really taking a hold in the tablet field is if it can somehow run traditional x86 windows programs on the arm based version. Otherwise it really has nothing to gain over the competition.
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This is it, precisely. Microsoft has said that all Windows apps will run on the ARM version. So, imagine this: a Transformer (2? 3?) with a keyboard dock option and an active digitizer/pen, that can run both tablet-style apps and full-fledged Windows apps.
This would be the absolute best of both worlds: the convenient, instant-on, long-running "casual" tablet device mainly for consumption and light content creation, in a lightweight format that's easy to use in any situation. And that offers precise pen input (which was always outstanding on Windows Tablet PCs) for handwritten notes, diagrams, drawings, etc. Then, pop it in the dock for real work with complete network connectivity, robust file system support, full-sized apps like Office, etc.
If Microsoft gets this right, Windows 8 could be an incredibly compelling platform.
Nvidia has stated that they wish to branch the tegra platform out to desktops. This means that either they are guessing or already know that the operating system will be available in retail form at some point for ARM cpus (at least the way I see it).
as for our particular tablet that probably depends a lot on the manufactures of the hardware components for it and or Asus. The tegra2 SoC does not contain every little thing that is on a tablet. The touch screen controllers, the cameras, the proprietary ports, drive interfaces, and even some of the memory controllers are external of the SoC. The companies that make the drivers for some of these devices will need to release windows 8 ARM versions of their drivers. Now just guessing, I suspect that will happen.
I really don't see MS just releasing an embedded version of windows 8 for the arm platform. More than likely they see it as another path for desktops and laptops and will release an OEM and retail version. As for all the apps working across both ARM and x86 CPUs that will be interesting to see if it comes to be. I think the only way to pull that off is some kind of emulation right? Though app manufactures could make a x86(rather x64) version and an ARM version.
Even if it was available, I would rather have my honeycomb.
Sure Win8 has some touch friendly features built into it, but the OS wasn't built for touch only from the ground up.
We also wouldn't have things like custom ROMs to play with.
I'm running Win8 on 2 of my computers now, but outside of a desktop, I don't think it's practical anymore after Android
I am considering buying the Transformer TF700, but I am wondering if it is possible to root the tablet and install Windows 8 on it when W8 is available for purchase?
Regards, Sari
Unlikely, Win 8 requires an encrypted bootloader.
Installing Win8 as a 2nd OS, NO. But running linux as a second OS and Virtual machine windows on it, Yes. Just not sure how stable that would be, or how fluid. You can always wait and see as asus have announced a partnership with Microsoft for a duclboot android windows Pad...maybe, HOPEFULLY, the hardware will be close enough to our infinity for devs to port it over
Its possible. That locked down requirement is for OEMs, I doubt it'd be hardcoded into the OS since that'd be hard to detect or easy to spoof. Asus's WinRT tablets are Tegra 3 based, so depending on which variant they use it might be relatively simple to port.
Very unlikely. I couldn't spout the technicals for you, but it is a very closed down system, and MC certainly doesn't want any modding or porting in any way.
Assuming you mean Windows RT, then...well, I'm sure Microsoft is probably going to do everything they can to ensure that Windows RT doesn't run on anything other than approved devices.
Ah, that's disappointing :l Thanks for your replies!
I used to be very interested in Win 8 but now I am not sure I want it on a Tablet. I know eveybody is saying it is going to be great on tablets, but nobody really knows yet, and I have been an early adopter of other mobile OS products like Win Smartphones, that were big failures. The beauty of Android is it is more open source so its easy to create apps for it, so I am not sure Windows will ever get the kind of app libraries (Free or cheap) Android and IOS have. Looking at Microsoft's history, I am not sure they will excel in this market at this point.
Just my thoughts . .
guitar1969 said:
... Looking at Microsoft's history, I am not sure they will excel in this market at this point.
Just my thoughts . .
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This ^^ -- given the fact that I've owned several Windows Mobile devices that have hung somewhere in space as far as support and development went and that MS have crashed several of their purportedly groundbreaking devices in the past (the Zune and the Kin spring to mind in particular) doesn't really inspire me with any hope that the Surface and its successors will be anything to drool about, except maybe for 'paper specs'.
For the graphically inclined and those in search for a read, a search for "Microsoft failures" comes up with, amongst others:
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Enterprise...osofts-Biggest-Failures-and-Successes-500262/
http://www.money.co.uk/misc/microsofts-biggest-flops-and-failures.htm
http://www.complex.com/tech/2009/05/a-history-of-microsofts-biggest-failures
Just for fun, those.
No way.... The largest software development company in the world has had failures? Who would ever have thought that?
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No way.... The largest software development company in the world has had failures? Who would ever have thought that?
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It's not that they had failures, smart boy -- it's their touting so much 'groundbreaking' stuff that wouldn't even float by itself if you threw it in a lake of polystyrene packaging chips.
Ugh, Win8 with its crappy touchy-feely interface. I am fully convinced that desktop and laptop systems are here to stay, whether for gaming or productivity, so I do not need an interface optimized for mobile touchscreen devices on my rather immobile main piece of trusted hardware.
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Its possible. That locked down requirement is for OEMs, I doubt it'd be hardcoded into the OS since that'd be hard to detect or easy to spoof. Asus's WinRT tablets are Tegra 3 based, so depending on which variant they use it might be relatively simple to port.
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I think we should wait for any publicly available Windows RT firmware for download. It Asus releases Tablet 600 - that would be even better for us.
I recall the first Hackintoshs (based on first Mac OS X 10.4/Tiger for x86) being run on Pentium 4 and AMD platforms. It required VM and very strong BIOS modifications (as Macs had EFI, at that time unavailable for PCs). Then there were some modified kos (kernel objects, i.e. modules) that enabled it running on PCs with stock BIOS. Later a vanilla kernel was compiled that enabled the system work without problems.
Considering Windows RT port, the last step would be most likely impossible as we don't have kernel source (AFAIK the latest Widows source available is that one of Win2000), but nothing prevents us from attempting to run the Windows RT-enabled device firmware on TF700 and trying to debug failures. However, this can take a long time.
I'm more concerned about running any Linux distro in dualboot with Android %)
What about the new ASUS tablet, tegra 3, windows RT. The same hardware, but different system and screen resolution.
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What about the new ASUS tablet, tegra 3, windows RT. The same hardware, but different system and screen resolution.
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Is anywhere its firmware?
The main issue would be the bootloader; the resolution in Windows is much easier to fix.
P.S. "I want NATIVE ubuntu on TF700!" - +1. I bought TF700 as a super long-lasting netbook =)
I have the Asus TF600. It has a lower screen Res and twice the ram of the TF700. WIndows RT requires activation just like the desktop version.
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What about the new ASUS tablet, tegra 3, windows RT. The same hardware, but different system and screen resolution.
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That's wonderful!
When did you buy it?
Have you found the firmware?
I only found this: http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&m=asus vivotab rt - there is only a manual.
Windows activation has never been a probem since its appearance in XP =) The bootloader should be more tricky.
tf700t 1gb ram win8 problem
Even if someone manages to port Win8 over to the tf700, do you think they will curb the use of it by shutting it down from the windows market side?? Especially with RT you wind up at the complete mercy of Microsoft when it comes to applying any apps to the device. I'd be interested in seeing if it could be done as long as there is no hang up on the application side of the equation. Won't do me much good to have a working os with no apps to run on it.
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Any one know is it possible to install ubuntu for tablets on Surface or Asus vivo tab? Any work in this direction?
are we talking ARM or x86. Both the surface and vivotab are available in either version.
For the ARM tablets (surface RT and vivotab RT) then no.
For the x86 tablets, still no as ubuntu for tablets is for ARM at this moment in time. It could probably be recompiled for x86 though. Also you already have access to full ubuntu anyway.
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are we talking ARM or x86. Both the surface and vivotab are available in either version.
For the ARM tablets (surface RT and vivotab RT) then no.
For the x86 tablets, still no as ubuntu for tablets is for ARM at this moment in time. It could probably be recompiled for x86 though. Also you already have access to full ubuntu anyway.
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Hi SixSixSevenSeven
Not that I know the answer.
But you say the ARM version of ubuntu will not work on Surface RT.
Can you please explain why this will not work?
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Hi SixSixSevenSeven
Not that I know the answer.
But you say the ARM version of ubuntu will not work on Surface RT.
Can you please explain why this will not work?
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UEFI secure boot and driver signing.
The surface has been locked down so it will only boot into code signed by microsoft. Ubuntu is not signed by microsoft so will not boot.
Maybe one day someone will find a workaround hack. When that day comes you may then be able to have ubuntu on the Surface RT. Right now though it is not possible to run anything other than Windows RT. It might take months or even years before someone finds an exploit that we can use or it might never happen. If thats what you want to do on your device then maybe the surface RT isnt for you.
The surface pro (intel core i5 which is an x86 chip) however can have its secure boot disabled in the control panel and does not need driver signing. Being a regular x86 device the pro is not actually any different from any other laptop or desktop you have bought and provided with either a bootable USB stick or a USB optical drive will run the full version of ubuntu.
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UEFI secure boot and driver signing.
The surface has been locked down so it will only boot into code signed by microsoft. Ubuntu is not signed by microsoft so will not boot.
Maybe one day someone will find a workaround hack. When that day comes you may then be able to have ubuntu on the Surface RT. Right now though it is not possible to run anything other than Windows RT. It might take months or even years before someone finds an exploit that we can use or it might never happen. If thats what you want to do on your device then maybe the surface RT isnt for you.
The surface pro (intel core i5 which is an x86 chip) however can have its secure boot disabled in the control panel and does not need driver signing. Being a regular x86 device the pro is not actually any different from any other laptop or desktop you have bought and provided with either a bootable USB stick or a USB optical drive will run the full version of ubuntu.
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Thanks for your feedback :good:
I think this answer make it clear for at lease me
Hi everybody!
I was wondering if in a jailbreaked Surface RT is possible enable Miracast, If i'm not wrong the Tegra chip support Miracast so if we could install unsigned driver could be possible install Windows Display Driver Model (WDDM) 1.3 and later that support Miracast enabling the feature on Surface RT?
Thanks,
Jesus.
jesuslg123 said:
Hi everybody!
I was wondering if in a jailbreaked Surface RT is possible enable Miracast, If i'm not wrong the Tegra chip support Miracast so if we could install unsigned driver could be possible install Windows Display Driver Model (WDDM) 1.3 and later that support Miracast enabling the feature on Surface RT?
Thanks,
Jesus.
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Since a jailbroken device can load whatever we want and the the Tegra 3 does support Miracast, in theory this should be possible. However we need to HAVE that driver for Miracast to work. Hmmmm, maybe Jesus you can show us the miracle
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Since a jailbroken device can load whatever we want and the the Tegra 3 does support Miracast, in theory this should be possible. However we need to HAVE that driver for Miracast to work. Hmmmm, maybe Jesus you can show us the miracle
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We could ask the Flying Spaghetti monster too
LolitaPlus said:
Since a jailbroken device can load whatever we want and the the Tegra 3 does support Miracast, in theory this should be possible. However we need to HAVE that driver for Miracast to work. Hmmmm, maybe Jesus you can show us the miracle
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I wish... but first I don't know the actual unreleased method for jailbreak and also I'm still looking for the drivers around the net... Maybe someone with more knowledge about drivers can help
Now that Jailbreak for 8.1 has been released, any luck finding drivers 1.3+ compiled on ARM?