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[Q] Regarding Radio

Hello All! first of all its extremely basic question.
I have UK version of HTC One S S4, but i live in Indiana, US. I use Tmobile but dont get 4G or 3G..just Edge!
so i was wondering if i flashed tmobile radio or tmobile-RUU will I start getting a better connection or also maybe 3G..?

OK sorry but my Phone is not UK..it is HTC Europe version.

Archis said:
OK sorry but my Phone is not UK..it is HTC Europe version.
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Your in a bit of a bind then since you have the international version! Your phone might not have the right frequency support to get T-mobile 3g/4g until they complete their move of 3g to the 1900 band.
This is an excerpt from Anandtech Review
The International and T-Mobile One S differ in what UMTS bands are supported, as the International One S targets both Asia and Europe, while the T-Mobile version goes for the Americas. I’ve made a table with the pertinent information.
HTC One S - Network Support
GSM/EDGE Support 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 MHz
WCDMA Support
One S - International 850 / 900 / 2100 MHz
WCDMA Support
One S - T-Mobile 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 MHz
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You really need that 1700/1900 band for AWS 3g. However, t-mobile is currently moving 3g to the 1900 spectrum which should enable you to get 3g when it's done in your area.
Here is a map of current reported 1900 3g coverage. http://www.airportal.de/
Sorry to give you the bad news.

[Q] Does the Int'l 3g version work on US networks

I'm thinking of buying a Note 10.1 and am in two minds whether to go for the 3G or just wifi version as I may be moving to the US in the next 4-5 months. Will the international 3G version work on T-Mobile or other US carrier in full HSPA+ speed?

OK, I found that Tmobile is moving it's HSPA network to a new frequency to be more compatible with the other networks.
4G/LTE upgrade
On February 23, 2012, during the Q4 Earnings Call, the future of the T-Mobile 4G upgrade path was laid out. T-Mobile's LTE network will be rolled out on the AWS spectrum, and their HSPA+ network will transition to the PCS band, in order to achieve compatibility with other networks and phones in the USA, T-Mobile plans to begin this transition in early 2013.[41]
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Radio frequency spectrum chart
1900 MHz UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ 3G/4G - According to reports from users, T-Mobile started to reapportion its PCS frequency (UMTS frequency band II) for UMTS service in some areas. Will be expanded during LTE upgrade.[44]
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Source Wikipedia
And from Samsung the Note 10.1 has the following radio spectrums
Platform
850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900MHz GSM&EDGE Band
850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100MHz 3G Band
GPRS Network&Data: 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
EDGE Network&Data: 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network&Data
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So I assume that once Tmobile has finished their transition then the Note 10.1 will be able to get HSPA+ speeds over 3G or am I missing something?

Moto G Versions, US, Canada, International.

Hey guys!
Just wondering what Moto G versions will be available, specifically what antennas will each version have?
I'm on Wind Mobile in Canada (AWS Band).
So far I found a few diff. versions of this phone, for US, UK and Canadian markets.
US radio specs:
http://www.motorola.com/us/consumers/moto-g/Moto-G/moto-g-pdp-ways-to-buy.html
Networks
Global GSM Model: GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ up to 21 Mbps (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz)
US GSM Model: GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ up to 21 Mbps (850, 1700 (AWS), 1900 MHz)
CDMA Model: CDMA/EVDO Rev A (850, 1900 MHz)
UK Band specs:
http://www.motorola.co.uk/consumers/mobile-phones/moto-g-gb.html
Networks
HSPA+ DL 21.1Mbps / UL 5.76Mbps- EV-DO Rev.A DL 3.1Mbps / UL 1.8Mbps
Bands/Modes
CDMA: 850/1900 UMTS: 850/900/1700/1900/2100 GSM: 850/900/1800/1900
Canada, Telus Only (for now)
HSPA 850/900/1900/2100; GSM 850/900/1800/1900
It looks like Telus is selling Global GSM Model
maxqas said:
To OP:
Confirmed. Telus/Koodo is indeed selling what looks like the International GSM version.
Model: XT1032
Baseband: MSM8626BP_1032.3051.51.00R
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It looks like US GSM Model (sold on Motorola US site) WILL work with Wind Mobile in Canada!
While AWS transmits on ~1710-1755 MHz and receives on ~2110-2155 MHz, this band is known as 1700 or Band IV or AWS.
2100 refers to Band I (2100 IMT), a totally different band which is used in Asia and Europe, but not in North America.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
The US version supports AWS because that is what T-Mobile uses in the US, and it's the same band that Wind uses.
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1693841-Only-have-2100mhz
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Brasil
Dual SIM version:
http://www.lojaoficialmotorola.com.br/product/celulares/116699802/moto-getrade%3B-dual
Bands:
http://www.motorola.com.br/consumers/MOTO-G/Moto-G/Moto-G-BRPT.html
GSM 850/900/1800/1900, WCDMA 850/900/1900/2100
Chile
ferossan said:
Chilean version (Movistar) and probably all Latinoamerican except Brazil:
3G HSPA 850/900/1900/2100 MHz
2G GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Data 3G HSDPA 21 Mbps - HSUPA 5.76 Mbps
Data 2G GPRS - EDGE
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Any other models that you guys can add here?
Thanks!

Wow, the UK version actually supports more band, it should be the global version. There are many countries provide Uim card (CDMA sim card) on their CDMA2000 network.

The Brazilian Dual Chip Version has the same Bands of the UK version.

Moto G UK version
jshzhv6 said:
Wow, the UK version actually supports more band, it should be the global version. There are many countries provide Uim card (CDMA sim card) on their CDMA2000 network.
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I was actually wondering the same thing myself. I wanted to buy one here in the UK because it says it supports all the bands (including 1700), but is this in fact true, or is it just the Global version?

Allewar said:
The Brazilian Dual Chip Version has the same Bands of the UK version.
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Hi
Are you sure Allewar?
Motorola Brasil and the store they point you to (http://www.lojaoficialmotorola.com.br/product/celulares/116699802/moto-getrade%3B-dual)
doesn't list AWS 1700 band. Unlike the UK version.
See my OP.
Thanks

Moto G
From what I read in Canada we cannot get the 16gb version, have to find online somewhere.

Chilean version (Movistar) and probably all Latinoamerican except Brazil:
3G HSPA 850/900/1900/2100 MHz
2G GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Data 3G HSDPA 21 Mbps - HSUPA 5.76 Mbps
Data 2G GPRS - EDGE

Hello everyone, first post here!
I ordered a moto G from the us store since I have a connection in Washington state to ship it to. On their site they list 1700(aws) but not the 2100 needed for downloading.
I phoned motorola this morning and informed them of my uncertainty. The level 2 technician replied that the american phone will fully support 1700/2100 used by aws. I also informed the technician of my carrier, so it looks like the american gsm model will work with wind.
cheers :good:

To OP:
Confirmed. Telus/Koodo is indeed selling what looks like the international GSM version.
Model: XT1032
Baseband: MSM8626BP_1032.3051.51.00R
I would love to know how to enable 1700/2100 bands on it!!!
Do we know if there are hardware differences? I would like to see if we can get a thread going for enabling AWS support on international GSM version. There is an extensive knowledge-base here on XDA when it comes to tinkering with the Galaxy S2 and S3 modems and NV parameters to enable Wind/TMO AWS. I remember at one point there was discussion of whether AWS was even possible on the S3 i747.
Any input would be appreciated!!

maxqas said:
To OP:
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Model: XT1032
Baseband: MSM8626BP_1032.3051.51.00R
I would love to know how to enable 1700/2100 bands on it!!!
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Sorry I can't help make this happen but I thought I'd offer my support and would also love to see 1700/2100 bands enabled.

ferossan said:
Chilean version (Movistar) and probably all Latinoamerican except Brazil:
3G HSPA 850/900/1900/2100 MHz
2G GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Data 3G HSDPA 21 Mbps - HSUPA 5.76 Mbps
Data 2G GPRS - EDGE
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Thanks ferossan, I added your info to OP.

matlabwtf said:
Hello everyone, first post here!
I ordered a moto G from the us store since I have a connection in Washington state to ship it to. On their site they list 1700(aws) but not the 2100 needed for downloading.
I phoned motorola this morning and informed them of my uncertainty. The level 2 technician replied that the american phone will fully support 1700/2100 used by aws. I also informed the technician of my carrier, so it looks like the american gsm model will work with wind.
cheers :good:
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Hi matlabwtf! Welcome to XDA
Thanks for sharing your findings.
From what I've researched so far, 1700 MHz AWS band operates on 1700 up and 2100 down.
There's another AWS band as well, 2100MHz AWS band, it operates on 1900 up and 2100 down. It is used overseas, Asia, Europe, etc.
The carriers (cellphone companies and their employees) confuse people when they tell you need 1700/2100 band phone.
In reality you only need to make sure that the phone has 1700 AWS band, that's all.
Please let us know when your receive your handset, thanks.

maxqas said:
To OP:
Confirmed. Telus/Koodo is indeed selling what looks like the international GSM version.
Model: XT1032
Baseband: MSM8626BP_1032.3051.51.00R
I would love to know how to enable 1700/2100 bands on it!!!
Do we know if there are hardware differences? I would like to see if we can get a thread going for enabling AWS support on international GSM version. There is an extensive knowledge-base here on XDA when it comes to tinkering with the Galaxy S2 and S3 modems and NV parameters to enable Wind/TMO AWS. I remember at one point there was discussion of whether AWS was even possible on the S3 i747.
Any input would be appreciated!!
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Thanks maxqas, I added your info to OP.

same here. I hope we can enable 1700 AWS band on Telus/koodo version!

no1_cdn said:
Thanks maxqas, I added your info to OP.
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Glad to help! Is there any way to know the model number and baseband for the US GSM (AWS) version?? If it's the same model then I bet it is just a matter of flashing the relevant modem and nvdata parameters.

maxqas said:
Glad to help! Is there any way to know the model number and baseband for the US GSM (AWS) version?? If it's the same model then I bet it is just a matter of flashing the relevant modem and nvdata parameters.
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Hey
I'd have to dig some more to find out if all the models have same radios internally. Supposedly there were 5 models of Moto G approved by the FCC in the US:
XT1032, XT1033, XT1034, XT1035, and XT1036
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UK Version
Just wanted to add that the UK version, despite listing the 1700 UMTS on the UK Motorola site, does not list said band on the box. I checked in store today, and it only had UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100. Appears to be the same as the Global version being sold in the US.

Hi Irfan
If they have a working demo, would you be able to check the settings and look at the model number and baseband? Only if you get an opportunity that is...
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Moto G Model Numbers
XT1032, XT1033, XT1034, XT1035, and XT1036
XT1032 Global GSM
XT1033 Dual SIM Global GSM
XT1034 US GSM (T-Mobile?)
XT1035
XT1036 US GSM (T-Mobile?)
Can't find any info on XT1035...
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XT1031 CDMA version
XT1032 UMTS SS version
XT1033 UMTS DS version
XT1034 AWS version

Will moto g lte from fido with with wind if unlocked?

Sorry if this is stupid question but I'm new to this whole band thing. I've tried researching but no answers.
Fido moto g lte specs
Network and Wireless connection
LTE : AWS/2600/900/700 MHz
HSPA Bands: 850/1700/1900/2100 MHz
GSM Bands: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Download/Upload Speeds: HSDPA 42.2 Mbps, HSUPA 5.76Mbps
Bluetooth® 4.0
Wi-Fi®: 802.11 b/g/
Canadian motorola site lte specs
Networks - Moto G with 4G LTE
US GSM Model:
4G LTE Bands 2, 4, 5, 17 (1900, 1700, 850, 700 MHz)
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS (850, 900, 1700, 1900, 2100 MHz)
Wind requires AWS 1700 and 1900
I'm not sure if all UMTS 1700 is always AWS? I'm not sure if the US GSM model is the same as canadian model, but it seems to be. Fido doesn't list UMTS but I'm assuming it is since thats the only specs provided on the motorola site. If someone could explain or just let me know if it will work on WIND that would be great.
Thanks

Short answer: yes.
Longer answer: HSPA is a superset of UMTS (you may also see WCDMA, not to be confused with CDMA, which is for our purposes identical). Band 4, a.k.a AWS or UMTS 1700 is a bit unusual in that traffic from the phone to the tower is on 1700 MHz (uplink), but on 2100 MHz from the tower to the phone/user equipment (downlink).
There are three models sold in Canada: XT1032 ("Global" HSPA model) XT1034 ("US" HSPA model, AWS, sold by Wind and Videotron) and XT1040 (LTE model, the US one is the XT1045, what actual differences there are remain to be seen)

Were either of you able to confirm?
I'm on the same boat, conteplating buying the 4G LTE version from FIDO to use on Wind.
Thanks in advance!

Yes to wind
From everything i read it will work on wind as the the only moto g lte with lte 2600 is the same one that has 1700 3g band, Have either of you guys rooted and if so how and where did you find directions. Ill unlock tomorrow am and then let you guys know.

Thanks guys!
I've contacted wind tech support for an official confirmation.
As Darkshado mentioned, the only 4G LTE model listed on Motorola.ca is the US GSM 4G LTE model with the following specs:
Networks - Moto G with 4G LTE
US GSM Model:
4G LTE Bands 2, 4, 5, 17 (1900, 1700, 850, 700 MHz)
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS (850, 900, 1700, 1900, 2100 MHz)
Everything points to this being able to run on Wind - 1700 and 2100 MHz. It'll be cool if it can..
gthompson75 - by rooting, i suppose you mean a network unlock, right? I dont think you need to "root" to get it working on Wind

wind works
OK I unlocked my Fido moto g LTE today. My model is xt1040, once unlocked no problem on wind. Took a while to get a signal but worked none the less. Hope this helps you guys.

yup, so you're in the same situation as me, i went to 2 different fido stores and no one has it in stock
went online to order it the past few days, error in the last step
call the number and order it over the phone and save your time
hopefully i will be getting the phone soon
i actually found a store called wirelesswave and they had the moto g lte, i took a look at the box, it was the xt1040 (i was expecting the xt1045 just from reading around the subforums), the front of the box does not advertise the 4g/lte at all, it's in small print on the back of the box

I can also confirm it works. Thanks for the help guys.

where did you unlock it from and how much did it cost
gthompson75 said:
OK I unlocked my Fido moto g LTE today. My model is xt1040, once unlocked no problem on wind. Took a while to get a signal but worked none the less. Hope this helps you guys.
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hey i had a quick question, where did you get it unlocked from and how much did it cost.
if i could get a website.

I have the same problem : I can't find any website to unlock it for sure.
If those who already have unlocked their XT1040 could reply, it would be fantastic.
Thanks.

Fido phone on Wind network
They
p4png said:
Sorry if this is stupid question but I'm new to this whole band thing. I've tried researching but no answers.
Fido moto g lte specs
Network and Wireless connection
LTE : AWS/2600/900/700 MHz
HSPA Bands: 850/1700/1900/2100 MHz
GSM Bands: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Download/Upload Speeds: HSDPA 42.2 Mbps, HSUPA 5.76Mbps
Bluetooth® 4.0
Wi-Fi®: 802.11 b/g/
Canadian motorola site lte specs
Networks - Moto G with 4G LTE
US GSM Model:
4G LTE Bands 2, 4, 5, 17 (1900, 1700, 850, 700 MHz)
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS (850, 900, 1700, 1900, 2100 MHz)
Wind requires AWS 1700 and 1900
I'm not sure if all UMTS 1700 is always AWS? I'm not sure if the US GSM model is the same as canadian model, but it seems to be. Fido doesn't list UMTS but I'm assuming it is since thats the only specs provided on the motorola site. If someone could explain or just let me know if it will work on WIND that would be great.
Thanks
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Don't believe so. In Canada, phones which work on Bell, Rogers, Telus networks will not work on neither Wind or Mobilicity networks, even though Wind mobile phone have full functionality on Mobilicity and vice versa, after unlocking, of course. In my experience, however, the unlocked Wind/ Mobilicity phone does work on the other networks, you wont get 3G or LTE data connection though, only 2G.

@chichibud31: Dude.... Did you read the thread? Multiple posts from users in the field confirming it works.
The whole "Robellus phones don't work on Wind/Mobilicity/Vidéotron and vice versa" is mostly obsolete. (Caveat emptor, but usually the worst case scenario is that you'll have to play with QPST.)
There was some truth to it back when the new entrants launched their networks and penta-band HSPA SoCs were not common. But even back then you had devices like the Telus Galaxy S 2 X that worked on AWS HSPA because it was the same model as what T-Mobile USA sold.
I've been using a Mobilicity T889V on Virgin Mobile then Koodo for about two years. DC-HSPA worked out of the box and I got LTE working as well. Activating AWS HSPA on the Rogers/Bell/Telus variant is easy.
It's been said before, the non-LTE XT1032 won't work with AWS carriers; out of the box at least, it remains to be seen if it could be modded.
That's actually a non-advertised feature of the LTE Moto G versus it's HSPA-only siblings: it can roam pretty much worldwide on 3G.

[Q] HTC One M8 1800 MHz LTE Band

According to HTC.com, this phone has the 1800 MHz LTE band (LTE band 3).
I am currently in Australia, using a Telstra LTE SIM, and I can't pick up LTE on my phone.
I tested this SIM in another phone and it gets LTE, so the problem isn't the lack of reception in my area or the SIM.
I get 3G and H data but no LTE.
I know Telstra uses 1800 MHz for LTE.
I tried changing from Global to GSM mode and all the other modes as well as all the options available in the phoneinfo app.
It seems like this device has the 1800 MHz LTE band blocked, what can be done about this?
Thanks!