Why do people install CM or other non-stock based ROMs - Asus Transformer TF700

This is something that has always been bugging me,
Why do people install all these custom non-stock based roms like CM or Baked Black Beans or Paranoidandroid ?
I do understand the reason to install something like CleanROM that is stock-based, just to improve tablet's performance. But why a non-stock based rom ?
If I open up CM thread, I see that there is a lot of stuff that doesn't properly work in that ROM. What is the advantage of having it then ?

It's just a personal preference for some (I prefer stock-based myself). There are a lot more configuration options in the CM10-based ROM's (but at the some time, you lose other options that are available in stock).
Like I said, it's just something that some users prefer. It's good to have options!
In my opinion, the Transformer series of devices are just better off with stock since they have so many Transformer-specific functions. But, with a "normal" tablet, CM10 is actually a very good option...
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Non stock based ROMs can have a newer android version, more options, more features, higher customability, etc.
And having a 'completely different' ROM can give the feeling of owning a new phone which is nice too.

not uncommon to have a smaller footprint, which gives more memory. Sometimes there stuff only available on AOSP that isn't compatible with stock; usually it's a kernel issue.
Personally, I prefer CM over stock. Right now, since it's still early and some items I want are not working, I can wait. There's nothing must have on CM for me right now. Personally, I would love to have something like Boot Manager so I can have multiple ROMs.

Well there isn't that much that is missing in CM10 compared to stock as ASUS made a great decision in keeping the stock ROM as close to AOSP as they could to allow for faster updates. ASOP tend to get updates faster and performance usually is increased compared to stock. Clean ROM is faster right now but it is likely only a matter of time for CM to catch up and surpass it. I'm also waiting for it to become a little more stable before I switch. If you get bored one day, check out out for yourself to see if you like it or not.

Like @jtrosky said, it really comes down to personal preference. I prefer the AOSP roms because I think they perform better for what I use my TF700 for, but that is my opinion and a lot of people would disagree. You do have to remember when you read people complaining in the CM10 thread about things not working that it is very much a work in progress for this device.
I agree that unlocked stock and stock-based roms benchmark better than AOSP roms, but I really think ASUS has built their rom so it performs well in these types of tests (lets face it, all serious reviews of any device contain benchmark data). I think some would agree that real world testing shows that stock (even CleanROM) is more laggy than ASOP roms though. Again, this is my personal opinion and my experience of this device.
If you start a thread like this you are going to get a load of conflicting views. The only way to find out which is best is to do a bit of your own testing and see what works best for you. Happy flashing

Thanks for replies guys.
Although im still not convinced
Cleanrom + data2sd + OC kernel makes this tablet fly and the stock rom (on which cleanrom is based) guarantees that all the tablet's features workfine.
To be honest i dont see a reason for a non-stock bsed rom.
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jodvova said:
Thanks for replies guys.
Although im still not convinced
Cleanrom + data2sd + OC kernel makes this tablet fly and the stock rom (on which cleanrom is based) guarantees that all the tablet's features workfine.
To be honest i dont see a reason for a non-stock bsed rom.
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Can you watch your movies or play games on fullscreen (i mean real fullscreen with no status bar) with stock rom? I guess not.
Can use themes on stock rom? I guess not
I could go on and on about this but like others said it's just a matter of taste and if you don't see a point to use custom roms just stick with the stock.

jodvova said:
Thanks for replies guys.
Although im still not convinced
Cleanrom + data2sd + OC kernel makes this tablet fly and the stock rom (on which cleanrom is based) guarantees that all the tablet's features workfine.
To be honest i dont see a reason for a non-stock bsed rom.
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It's the difference between driving a stock car, or adding rims, tricking out the stereo, and tinting the windows - it's not for everyone, but some can't live any other way...

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[Q] New to transformers: rom/kernel/app advice

Hello,
I am coming from the Acer A500, which I really liked running flexreaper. Now I am looking at loading a custom ics rom for the Asus. I know there are lots of differences in roms like the acer so im looking for recommendations. Id like it to be fast (duh) and im big on widgets and making it look flashy, so a bare bones rom isnt for me. What would you recommend? Any custom kernels for it. I like the idea of overclocking. Finally, any must have apps specific to the asus that i should look at? Thanks for all your help!
I've found the Revolver 4 ROM quite stable. You can keep the tablet's functionality and customization pretty stock and it's one of the fastest ROMs available. Some of the other ROMs I've tried include the EOS and CM9 and have each displayed varying degrees of bugs currently, especially if you use the dock at all. When Revolver Parts comes available for Revolver 4, you'll get a lot more customization and the ability to try custom kernels when they show up for ICS.
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I second Revolver 4 1.3.1. I borked it up myself when I upgraded without a full wipe from Revolver 3.11.
If flashy and function featured is your goal go with Revolver 3 for now. It ran super fast for me with the O/C kernel from Pandatest and NO glitches. Revolver 4 ran fine once I installed it properly, but it felt limited in that there are no ICS kernels right now. I also experienced some strange battery drain.
At the moment I am testing CM9 with Cornerstone. Talk about flashy! Some annoying bugs but for me I might be willing to put up with them for this cornerstone app.
dman918 said:
Hello,
I am coming from the Acer A500, which I really liked running flexreaper. Now I am looking at loading a custom ics rom for the Asus. I know there are lots of differences in roms like the acer so im looking for recommendations. Id like it to be fast (duh) and im big on widgets and making it look flashy, so a bare bones rom isnt for me. What would you recommend? Any custom kernels for it. I like the idea of overclocking. Finally, any must have apps specific to the asus that i should look at? Thanks for all your help!
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Assuming you don't care about Cornerstone, it's either Revolver http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1518768 or Codename Android http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1534648
Since you said you like to customize, Codename Android might be a better option for you right now. It has several built-in customization options that other ROMs don't have.
Custom kernels and overclocking isn't possible until Asus releases the kernel source. We don't know when but they probably will release it like they did for Honeycomb.
Thanks for the responses. Ill start with revolver and check out codename android as well.
I should ask, is there some pros and cons listed about cornerstone? It wasnt an option on the a500 so im not too familiar with it other than being for multitasking.
I am getting used to cornerstone. I really like the ability to chat with my wife and browse the web simultaneously. I'm in afghanistan so our internet is really slow. It sux to type a sentence and go back and forth between instances just to make sure Gtalk is still connected.
However, as noted by other comments, CM9 is a bit buggy in its support for the dock and feel. I've had a few random bugs that seem to fix themselves after a reboot never to return. For me, not having the ability to disable the trackpad sucks. I constantly hit it as i type. Almost all of the top row hotkeys are either not functioning or slow to respond.
I really wish revolver 4 was further along now. Revolver 3 really impressed me (spoiled me) to the point I always want that next ROM with more features.
Running revolver at the moment. It's a nice ROM, but these random reboots are annoying. Are any of these other ROMs, such as CM9, as flashy and feature rich? Just thinking of trying something else out to compare.
Thanks!
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Running revolver at the moment. It's a nice ROM, but these random reboots are annoying. Are any of these other ROMs, such as CM9, as flashy and feature rich? Just thinking of trying something else out to compare.
Thanks!
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I'm running the CM9 without cornerstone and can't be happier. Actually, I could once theming and other misc tweaks are put into CM9, but the ROM is solid with amazing battery life. It is really snappy too. I just wish I could get a similar port for my Evo 4G, but I will have to wait until deck's release comes out of beta.
I also strongly recommend CM9, which is now Megatron 1.0
linuques said:
I also strongly recommend CM9, which is now Megatron 1.0
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There are now 3 custom kernels to
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All ICS roms for the TF is plagued by random reboots/SOD's, unfortunely.
That said, team EOS build 19 has now been running stable for me for 123h.
Goatshocker said:
All ICS roms for the TF is plagued by random reboots/SOD's, unfortunely.
That said, team EOS build 19 has now been running stable for me for 123h.
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Not from my experience. Since a couple of tests into guevors kernels, I've never had a RR or SOD anymore. Using CM9 btw

[Q] Whats the advantage of all these AOSP Roms

Just wondering what the advantage is of all these AOSP Roms available in the developer section?
Are these better for the developers or the users?
I ask because it seems these ROMs dont support things like the dock, asus keyboard, don't have those nice Asus apps or google apps.
I know I can flash gapps but no idea about the rest..
I flashed an AOSP a while ago and found so many things just didnt work so I avoid them now...
It would be good if they could mention in the title if their ROM is AOSP or not.
Maybe I got this all wrong and you're welcome to educate me
Malandro2011 said:
Just wondering what the advantage is of all these AOSP Roms available in the developer section?
Are these better for the developers or the users?
I ask because it seems these ROMs dont support things like the dock, asus keyboard, don't have those nice Asus apps or google apps.
I know I can flash gapps but no idea about the rest..
I flashed an AOSP a while ago and found so many things just didnt work so I avoid them now...
It would be good if they could mention in the title if their ROM is AOSP or not.
Maybe I got this all wrong and you're welcome to educate me
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AOSP is from android. its the cleanest possible rom u can ever find. its like a fish u just caught and cooked with just a pinch of salt only. probably u wont experience lag and alot of bloatware taken off. asus apps abd google apps you have to dl urself. i find that troublesome too. HAHA! using a custom rom is different tho. that depends on how the dev develop it. if ur happy with stock then stick with it man.
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I would say stick with custom stock at the moment like revolver or frozn but that's just my preference after trying the aosp roms.
Some like aosp better but for me I will wait awhile until there completely stable before I give them a decent try.
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Mmmm fish
I'm using ARHD at the moment but reading through FROZN posts as I really want to try some other ROM...
Danzano said:
I would say stick with custom stock at the moment like revolver or frozn but that's just my preference after trying the aosp roms.
Some like aosp better but for me I will wait awhile until there completely stable before I give them a decent try.
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I've tried both custom stock and AOSP roms and there's no difference in stability.
horndroid said:
I've tried both custom stock and AOSP roms and there's no difference in stability.
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Ok well not so much stability now I guess but bugs there is still a difference I just feel aosp on the transformer is a bit to young on my gt540 I love aosp its rock solid works and has awesome customization's etc
Like I said maybe after some time but for now I say stock custom is best
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Just wondering what the advantage is of all these AOSP Roms available in the developer section?
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I used Asus' official ICS for about 15 minutes before I decided it was ugly and thrown together quickly.. also comes with a bunch of Asus garbage files in the system partition and a bunch of crappy apps i never use.
I tried EOS and was happy. Now at build #21 its fast, its stable, its got some nice customizations but is otherwise bone stock AOSP ICS, like a Nexus device has.
I also tried AOKP and while I could prefer it in the long run as it is a very slick ROM, but it just doesnt seem as snappy and smooth as EOS at this time.
a.mcdear said:
I used Asus' official ICS for about 15 minutes before I decided it was ugly and thrown together quickly.. also comes with a bunch of Asus garbage files in the system partition and a bunch of crappy apps i never use.
I tried EOS and was happy. Now at build #21 its fast, its stable, its got some nice customizations but is otherwise bone stock AOSP ICS, like a Nexus device has.
I also tried AOKP and while I could prefer it in the long run as it is a very slick ROM, but it just doesnt seem as snappy and smooth as EOS at this time.
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Does EOS still have the minor lag when scrolling home screens? It's barely perceivable but enough to annoy someone like me. The build I tried was 18 or 19.
Hi, what do you say about CyanogenMod9 ROM? Have you tried it?
ezechiele25172012 said:
Hi, what do you say about CyanogenMod9 ROM? Have you tried it?
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I was dissatisfied with CM9. The one that I have been using most has been Android Revolution HD 3.1.0 (GPS locks quick, WiFi stable, dock works). Just recently I have dropped FROZN on my TF101 but have been unable to successfully transfer my APK's to it using APK Batch Installer During the process I receive a segmentation fault. So far it has been only with that ROM that I have had this issue with. Aside from that FROZN ROM is fast!! Can't say much about battery life seeing how I just started using it.
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I was dissatisfied with CM9. The one that I have been using most has been Android Revolution HD 3.1.0 (GPS locks quick, WiFi stable, dock works). Just recently I have dropped FROZN on my TF101 but have been unable to successfully transfer my APK's to it using APK Batch Installer During the process I receive a segmentation fault. So far it has been only with that ROM that I have had this issue with. Aside from that FROZN ROM is fast!! Can't say much about battery life seeing how I just started using it.
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Also I'm using last revolution HD with msticninja'kernel and it's very very stable and fast but it's also my first cooked rom (I just bought my TF101 a month ago). Why are you dissatisfied with CM9? Frozn is faster than CM9 and revolution?
thanks
ezechiele25172012 said:
Also I'm using last revolution HD with msticninja'kernel and it's very very stable and fast but it's also my first cooked rom (I just bought my TF101 a month ago). Why are you dissatisfied with CM9? Frozn is faster than CM9 and revolution?
thanks
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These custom ROMS vary in benchmarks but there really is no perceivable difference in speed with normal usage. They are all faster and more optimized than the stock Asus ICS.

What differentiates an Asus ROM?

I keep hearing about how when you pick a ROM, you need to decide on either vanilla ICS or the Asus flavor.
What things does the Asus ROMs have that Megatron and AOKP doesn't? Is it just the couple widgets/apps/wallpapers that you can download separately anyway or is there more to it?
Thanks for your input!
dman918 said:
I keep hearing about how when you pick a ROM, you need to decide on either vanilla ICS or the Asus flavor.
What things does the Asus ROMs have that Megatron and AOKP doesn't? Is it just the couple widgets/apps/wallpapers that you can download separately anyway or is there more to it?
Thanks for your input!
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The Asus based ROMs (I know of the two big ones, Revolver and Revolution HD) don't offer as many extras as the other ROMs that have e.g. a CM9 base. They may be a bit more stable, and they are not really different from the stock ROM (at least in terms of look and feel). What is unique: they have the original Asus customized settings, so they allow to Mao the mouse buttons, and have the extended notification area (both not present in stock ICS ROMs).
If you want to have the best of both worlds, I'd recommend the Megatron ROM which has a great set of nice options and tweaks (more than the standard Cyanogenmod tweaks), and also let you choose between ICS and Asus virtual buttons, and give you the Asus keyboard and the option to install Polaris Office, supernote, their live wallpaper and widgets...).
I loaded Revolver on mine and at first appearance, it looks basically the same. But as you use it, everything is smoother and faster. I went one step further and loaded a custom kernel by Guevor which made it smoother and faster yet. These 2 together have completely changed how I view & use my TF. Some people have had good results just by loading a custom kernel on the stock rom too. I would do a bit of reading through the forum to see what might work for you. Not every one has had good success when going the custom route, so do some digging and try to get all your questions answered before you start hacking.
You just lose a few ASUS customized settings, but you gain the AOSP settings, I like AOSP better, but some just don't like the feel:
E.G. Sense vs TouchWiz vs AOSP vs ??? vs Profit
Gummy ROM (nightlies) is my favorite AOSP rom so far. It's an AOSP rom with some features from CM9, some from AOKP, some of their own and some Asus stuff. Its the best of all the worlds.
Theres a link to my rom videos in my signature if it helps.
My 2 chosen roms are:
Asus based: Frozn by Jcarrz1 - theres a couple of little bugs and although its not fully completed, combine it with one of the overclock kernels and the speed is on a different level.
I posted up how to set it up in the Frozn thread. Hopefully Jcarrz is still working on Frozn as im sure if it turns out like Krakd then it will be sublime!. If its too much hassle then - Revolver for sure.
Aosp / Aokp: No question it would have to be Gummy nightly. Browsing speed is much faster imo than any of the TF roms, nice tweeks, the devs baked in some themes, stable.....it really is a must try. You also get the delight of the nyam cat but i wont spoil it for you. All i will say is you can switch it off in Gummy settings :victory:
Good for flashaholics with it getting almost nightly updates.
Everyones different and theres a rom for everyone.
Just make sure your backed up and read about how to get out of a pickle. Otherwise just give them all a go and see what you like.:good:
You may need to flash one of the Asus ones to get any updated firmware for the keyboard. I.m not sure the aosp ones will do that.
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Gummy has my attention. Does each update require a full wipe or just cache and dalvik? I do not want to have to do full wipes all the time.
I know I will most likely need to try all of these and see what I like most, but I'd prefer to have a good base to start from.
I pretty much only surf the web, get email, stupid stuff like that. Not really much for games outside of Draw Something, Hanging with Friends. Looking for a ROM that is "pretty" or "flashy". Needs to look good, flow quickly and smoothly when I use it, and is customizable so I can make it the way I want.
dman918 said:
Gummy has my attention. Does each update require a full wipe or just cache and dalvik? I do not want to have to do full wipes all the time.
I know I will most likely need to try all of these and see what I like most, but I'd prefer to have a good base to start from.
I pretty much only surf the web, get email, stupid stuff like that. Not really much for games outside of Draw Something, Hanging with Friends. Looking for a ROM that is "pretty" or "flashy". Needs to look good, flow quickly and smoothly when I use it, and is customizable so I can make it the way I want.
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with nightlies i think just wiping dalvik and cache will be fine
here is another rom to check out AOKPCB
looks really fancy basically is AOKP but themed. Haven't tried it yet though.
Im also in a situation on which rom to just stick with. Right now im using revolver because its based on stock firmware but i'm missing some AOSP. Was running Megatron a while back for a long time but i need a rom that gets updated every now and then.
Kinda feels like Megatron is laggier than the Asus ROMs. Anyone else find this? I did do a full wipe. Also, is there a way to increase the auto brightness value? It is awfully dim.
Otherwise, it is a great mix to get really everything that both variants have to offer. Really only missing the pretty power screen but everything else (and more) is there.
One hour later edit: This ROM is definitely laggy. I press to go into the menu and it's jerky. Really everything is... jerky. Ran a benchmark and had a good score (3200+) but the navigation throughout isn't fluid.
dman918 said:
Kinda feels like Megatron is laggier than the Asus ROMs. Anyone else find this? I did do a full wipe. Also, is there a way to increase the auto brightness value? It is awfully dim.
Otherwise, it is a great mix to get really everything that both variants have to offer. Really only missing the pretty power screen but everything else (and more) is there.
One hour later edit: This ROM is definitely laggy. I press to go into the menu and it's jerky. Really everything is... jerky. Ran a benchmark and had a good score (3200+) but the navigation throughout isn't fluid.
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I am also getting lags on all aosp roms that I have tried so far. I am on a B70.
Valbowski said:
I am also getting lags on all aosp roms that I have tried so far. I am on a B70.
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I have a B70 running Steel Droid v2. It's an AOKP based rom and I'm not having any lag issues. It might not necessarily be a hardware thing. Have you tried a custom kernel that you can overclock? I keep it oc'd at 1200MHz because I, personally, haven't seen a noticeable difference when I set it at a higher frequency.
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New observation
I tried both Harmony v3 for aosp and Guevor 22.6 and get the same issues. I tried the new aokp Milestone 6 with both guevor 22.6 for aokp and Harmony aosp v3 but still get bad framerates in many games. One new observation from tonight: In the game "Siege Hero", if the option "Stretch to fill screen" is selected, I get bad framerates but great graphics. If I select "Zoom to fill screen", graphics are low res but everything is very fluid. This does not happen on asus based roms.
Another example of what I am getting is the game "Extreme skater" that does not offer compatibility choices, probably because it supports native resolution, but rarely stays fluid on aokp/cm9/aosp but runs great on asus based roms.
It looks like some other users are getting the same problems but we are not a lot complaining.
Any ideas?
I am on a B70KAS... TF101.

CleanRom 2.3 or CM10 nigthly? can't decide.

I would like to know which one performs best or if its based on preference. I know the developers have made an outstanding job making these roms but I can't decide on wich one. Comments and opinions are highly appreciated!
itrof61 said:
I would like to know which one performs best or if its based on preference. I know the developers have made an outstanding job making these roms but I can't decide on wich one. Comments and opinions are highly appreciated!
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Here is my short opinion:
Performance=about the same
Stable=Cleanrom(zero bug for me), CM10=buggy.
Features=CM10 (more bells and whistles
So if you just want a stable fast rom then use Cleanrom with Clemsy Kernel and data2sd...you're flying.
If you want to play with feature sets (looking for cool things) then go with CM10
What kind of cool things?
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Thanks!!
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What kind of cool things?
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Like vol button control camera zoom in/out...Currently, not much, since there are many bugs, but the goal for CM10 here is (once all the bugs are done), to have all the bells and whistles (like stuff on note2 may be implement here). For Cleanrom the OP would like to stick to STOCK as much as possible.
I had Baked Bean a long time and decided to try CleanRom 2.3 and did so by first updating my hboot via the official jb. Changed kernel to Clemsyn's build 22 and boy my tab is flying! Turned Forced GPU rendering on too and its blazing performance wise. Baked beans got more customizing for you. Bit I'll stick with this setup for a while.
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Clemsyns kernel can be used with cleanrom 2.3 right?
Im asking because it says cm10 version in the tread.
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Clemsyns kernel can be used with cleanrom 2.3 right?
Im asking because it says cm10 version in the tread.
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Here ya go Click this ones for cleanrom 2.3
Cleanrom zero bugs here.
OK, here is a question. Is there a difference between stock and non-stock roms in how the device deals with the keyboard dock?
Also, non-stock will be missing the ASUS customized settings, correct? So what does that mean for the screen saver, dock-unlock, system performance settings, touchpad options, etc?
GaryParr said:
OK, here is a question. Is there a difference between stock and non-stock roms in how the device deals with the keyboard dock?
Also, non-stock will be missing the ASUS customized settings, correct? So what does that mean for the screen saver, dock-unlock, system performance settings, touchpad options, etc?
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Clean Rom has everything (apps / user settings) just as stock.
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Clean Rom has everything (apps / user settings) just as stock.
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Right, because it is based on stock. I was more asking about non-stock such as CM, AOSP or AOKP.
GaryParr said:
OK, here is a question. Is there a difference between stock and non-stock roms in how the device deals with the keyboard dock?
Also, non-stock will be missing the ASUS customized settings, correct? So what does that mean for the screen saver, dock-unlock, system performance settings, touchpad options, etc?
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To answer your question:
1. Yes, in that the CM/AOSP/AOKP ROMs do not properly support most keyboard shortcut keys, and some of them do funky things with the volume keys on the tablet as well.
2. Non-stock ROMs: No screen saver; dock unlock works fine, but see point 1 above. System performance settings: some work more or less okay, others do not. CPU scaling seems unreliable. Brightness settings varies as well: some report the highest brightness available being Super IPS+, others say the highest brightness is significantly less bright than that. I have no other light meters available than those that Nature gave me (meh ), so I wouldn't be able to definitively tell you. The touchpad cannot be disabled on non-stock ROMs (which is THE most important dealbreaker for me). Sound sometimes is funky as well.
I'm very happy with CleanROM (except for those dodgy notifications).
How big of a difference in speed and fluidity is there between stock JB and CleanROM 2.3?
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How big of a difference in speed and fluidity is there between stock JB and CleanROM 2.3?
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I do not believe in benchmarking (far too artificial), so I do not have hard numbers for you. On stock JB, I still saw I/O issues, even when transferring relatively small files. I transferred over 6 GB of files yesterday (e-books, specifically, lots of 'em) and it was fast -- the pauses have been reduced to very, very minor instances on CleanROM 2.3.
Fluidity... Very subjective. I was blown away by the smoothness of CleanROM 2.2, and told Scott I did not believe he could further improve on that. He just smiled. He did it again with 2.3 -- he has made some incredible strides. I haven't tried the latest and greatest ASUS stock JB ROM, however -- it might have improved on fluidity significantly. The only way to tell is to test it yourself.
My expectation, based on experience with the stock ROMs: they're built more for reliability than for speed or fluidity (relatively speaking), so I'm not even considering letting CleanROM go.
Hope it helps, even if a tiny bit.
Thanks! Yes it does. I'm picking up the 64gb next week so I guess I can just install the JB stock first before I switch over to CleanROM.
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I can just install the JB stock first before I switch over to CleanROM.
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NO! WRONG WRONG WRONG!
You're not actually wrong at all about the upgrade/rom sequence you should flash but I wanted to make sure I had your attention. I don't know how much you've scoured the forums, but for the love of god use NVFlash before you install any updates, linked here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1901479
This essentially makes a device-specific backup that can be restored no matter what you do to the device software-wise. As the thread points out, it is an absolute failsafe against any and all softbricks.
This process is incompatible with the bootloader packaged with stock JB, so it's essential that you use NVFlash first. You can use the backup you'll create with the new bootloader once you do upgrade, but you won't be able to make one in the first place if you OTA first. If you don't do this before JB and something goes awry with flashing, you're totally out of luck. Especially with the warranty you're giving up.
In summary you'll want to go:
NVFlash -> Stock JB -> CleanRom
Sorry for the drama I neglected to do this before JB, and I'm still kicking myself. I also realize there's a solid chance you know all of this already and are rolling your eyes at the three-post junior member right now. I figure the risk of sounding condescending is worth it if I could save someone else the hassle.
Best of luck!
B00T_Sp0rk said:
Sorry for the drama I neglected to do this before JB, and I'm still kicking myself. I also realize there's a solid chance you know all of this already and are rolling your eyes at the three-post junior member right now. I figure the risk of sounding condescending is worth it if I could save someone else the hassle.
Best of luck!
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No apologies necessary the risk WAS worth it! I had only started scouting the TF700 forum and did not realize I would have ended up screwing myself just like I had with my HOXL. Thanks for the heads up!

Best ROM for TF700?

I'm getting my tablet Monday and I really don't want to have to flash different roms just to find one that works best.
I prefer Cyanogen stuff, I'm running the nightlies on my Razr Maxx HD, and would like to continue using it on a tablet. HOWEVER, it seems that Cromi has a more developed ROM. Am I wrong? What do you guys think is the best rom and why?
yugendreams said:
I'm getting my tablet Monday and I really don't want to have to flash different roms just to find one that works best.
I prefer Cyanogen stuff, I'm running the nightlies on my Razr Maxx HD, and would like to continue using it on a tablet. HOWEVER, it seems that Cromi has a more developed ROM. Am I wrong? What do you guys think is the best rom and why?
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CROMi-X obviously
Try a few out though - see what you think.
yugendreams said:
I'm getting my tablet Monday and I really don't want to have to flash different roms just to find one that works best.
I prefer Cyanogen stuff, I'm running the nightlies on my Razr Maxx HD, and would like to continue using it on a tablet. HOWEVER, it seems that Cromi has a more developed ROM. Am I wrong? What do you guys think is the best rom and why?
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Wait a few weeks and you may not have to decide! sbdags and _that are continuing to work on ROM2SD for CROMi-X! Run his rom on internal and another rom on your microSD. Already works for CROMi-X, miniCROMi-X, but CM is coming - I can feel it
Linux is where the real funs at
JoinTheRealms said:
Linux is where the real funs at
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If only I had the time to study.....:crying:
yugendreams said:
I'm getting my tablet Monday and I really don't want to have to flash different roms just to find one that works best.
I prefer Cyanogen stuff, I'm running the nightlies on my Razr Maxx HD, and would like to continue using it on a tablet. HOWEVER, it seems that Cromi has a more developed ROM. Am I wrong? What do you guys think is the best rom and why?
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Cromi-x is highly recommended, but on my tablet it did run well at all. I would recommend going with cyan based rom, I run cyan on all my other android devices and i could not get used to the Asus based roms at all.
Currently running CMB even without data2sd like cromi-x had it way smoother and hasn't crashed yet. Plus has all the cyan features i know and love...
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 4
sjgieson said:
Cromi-x is highly recommended, but on my tablet it did run well at all. I would recommend going with cyan based rom, I run cyan on all my other android devices and i could not get used to the Asus based roms at all.
Currently running CMB even without data2sd like cromi-x had it way smoother and hasn't crashed yet. Plus has all the cyan features i know and love...
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 4
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You are the first person to say that so must be something else you did to cause poor performance.
I'd love to get you up and running properly on cromi-x.
sbdags said:
You are the first person to say that so must be something else you did to cause poor performance.
I'd love to get you up and running properly on cromi-x.
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@sjgieson
His rom, sbdags, is very fast and smooth. I don't know how are we going to accurately measure the speed of the tf700t. According to most of the testers, all the measurement apps are lied and can not be trusted but fast and smooth are even worst because there are no data or numbers associating with the test data to back up the conclusion. Otherwise, we can test them side by side... It is just my opinion and don't kill me if I am saying something wrong...
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@sjgieson
His rom, sbdags, is very fast and smooth. I don't know how are we going to accurately measure the speed of the tf700t. According to most of the testers, all the measurement apps are lied and can not be trusted but fast and smooth are even worst because there are no data or numbers associating with the test data to back up the conclusion. Otherwise, we can test them side by side... It is just my opinion and don't kill me if I am saying something wrong...
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I have had the TF700 for just a few weeks, but go back Droid1 days with running custom roms. Current devices is a Gnex running experimental KitKat, and Nexus 7 that is the wives DD running 10.1.
My experience with TF is as follows get device, unlock, try to load custom rom find out USB data port is DOA, return device, get new one, take two days to get unlock app to work (just kept trying) rejoiced due to unlocking, download Cromi latests, flashed with DATA2SD and choosing Hunds kernel. Running it that way for about 10 days, getting frustrated and returning to CM based ROM (I have ran CM on GNEX and previous devices 80-90% of the time).
First off, let me say I may be wrong about my Cromi situation and probably should have held off posting my experiences. In the last 24 hours I have spent a lot more time on these forums and have sdbags 1:1 helping me getting Data2SD up and running on CM based 4.3 rom. I have been reading more of the posts instead of just skimming them loooking for what I need to fix something and move on. I have to say I am impressed at folks here (specifically _that and sdbags), their ingenuity and expertise (not mention willingness to contribute) is impressively and rarely seen these days in my opinion.
To answer your question about speed, yes, Cromi-x was fast, by far the fastest 4.2 rom to date on any device I have ran. I am sure this is due to Data2SD and the many many tweaks that have been made. However I know 4.2 is plagued by no trim, and at least on my Gnex 4.3 based roms are more responsive (less times hung with no response) than 4.2 roms. So first off I have bad taste in my mouth with anything related to 4.2 because of my Gnex experiences (probably wrong way to look at things I know). So going in I was little worried about 4.2 based.
Here is a list of annoyances with the rom being based on Asus and not AOSP:
Pulldown menu (pull up in the table interface) not being Googles menu (why change it)
Softkeyboard layout (trying to get the at symbol), no swiping (IIRC)
No cCLOCK widget (I wish I didn't like that CM thing so much...)
None of those were deal breakers, I had planned on addressing those eventually but the following occured:
First boot, confirmed data2sd was working, ran benchmarks, was impressed how well it ran etc. Installed my apps, all was good with the world love at first boot....
Sat it down on table (was in dock) rebooted, came back up to welcome screen, lock tablet was restore to factory. Perplexed, I reinstalled my apps, and went about my merry way (never re-ran benchmarks or really looked into the files system too much, my bad).
Next few days crashed reboots occurred randomly (maybe due to the Hunds OC kernel, should have tried stock kernel i suppose)
Finally one day a reboot occured and I rebooted back into my original environment I had setup in the first few hours of Cromi, my data from the environment I was in appeared lost. At this point the annoyances listed above (related to Asus, not the Cromi-rom) were too much.
I wiped everthing (even formated SD card), and went to CMB (why I didn't go striaght 10.2 I don't know). I have not had one single reboot/crash since the move, it is pretty peppy and I am getting really good benchmarks for not having data2sd installed, which is odd. If I didn't see how fast cromi was, I wouldn't be looking to get data2sd back as of right now i feel like 4.3 AOSP with data2sd has to be faster than 4.2 ASUS w/ data2sd.
Obviously, after writing the above issues I didn't follow good trouble shooting practices and perhaps made emotional not logical decisions.
sbdags - I will give Cromi-X another go
sjgieson said:
I have had the TF700 for just a few weeks, but go back Droid1 days with running custom roms. Current devices is a Gnex running experimental KitKat, and Nexus 7 that is the wives DD running 10.1.
My experience with TF is as follows get device, unlock, try to load custom rom find out USB data port is DOA, return device, get new one, take two days to get unlock app to work (just kept trying) rejoiced due to unlocking, download Cromi latests, flashed with DATA2SD and choosing Hunds kernel. Running it that way for about 10 days, getting frustrated and returning to CM based ROM (I have ran CM on GNEX and previous devices 80-90% of the time).
First off, let me say I may be wrong about my Cromi situation and probably should have held off posting my experiences. In the last 24 hours I have spent a lot more time on these forums and have sdbags 1:1 helping me getting Data2SD up and running on CM based 4.3 rom. I have been reading more of the posts instead of just skimming them loooking for what I need to fix something and move on. I have to say I am impressed at folks here (specifically _that and sdbags), their ingenuity and expertise (not mention willingness to contribute) is impressively and rarely seen these days in my opinion.
To answer your question about speed, yes, Cromi-x was fast, by far the fastest 4.2 rom to date on any device I have ran. I am sure this is due to Data2SD and the many many tweaks that have been made. However I know 4.2 is plagued by no trim, and at least on my Gnex 4.3 based roms are more responsive (less times hung with no response) than 4.2 roms. So first off I have bad taste in my mouth with anything related to 4.2 because of my Gnex experiences (probably wrong way to look at things I know). So going in I was little worried about 4.2 based.
Here is a list of annoyances with the rom being based on Asus and not AOSP:
Pulldown menu (pull up in the table interface) not being Googles menu (why change it)
Softkeyboard layout (trying to get the at symbol), no swiping (IIRC)
No cCLOCK widget (I wish I didn't like that CM thing so much...)
None of those were deal breakers, I had planned on addressing those eventually but the following occured:
First boot, confirmed data2sd was working, ran benchmarks, was impressed how well it ran etc. Installed my apps, all was good with the world love at first boot....
Sat it down on table (was in dock) rebooted, came back up to welcome screen, lock tablet was restore to factory. Perplexed, I reinstalled my apps, and went about my merry way (never re-ran benchmarks or really looked into the files system too much, my bad).
Next few days crashed reboots occurred randomly (maybe due to the Hunds OC kernel, should have tried stock kernel i suppose)
Finally one day a reboot occured and I rebooted back into my original environment I had setup in the first few hours of Cromi, my data from the environment I was in appeared lost. At this point the annoyances listed above (related to Asus, not the Cromi-rom) were too much.
I wiped everthing (even formated SD card), and went to CMB (why I didn't go striaght 10.2 I don't know). I have not had one single reboot/crash since the move, it is pretty peppy and I am getting really good benchmarks for not having data2sd installed, which is odd. If I didn't see how fast cromi was, I wouldn't be looking to get data2sd back as of right now i feel like 4.3 AOSP with data2sd has to be faster than 4.2 ASUS w/ data2sd.
Obviously, after writing the above issues I didn't follow good trouble shooting practices and perhaps made emotional not logical decisions.
sbdags - I will give Cromi-X another go
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Wow, thanks for the good explanation... What I said was just my opinion, I hope that you are not offended..
Also, there is a trim supported on Cromi X but that would depend on the version of the kernel. You can ask _that or sbdags to help you mount it if it is not currently mounting as an option...
Good luck...:fingers-crossed:
Nope no offense taken! As you had a point .
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 4
The only time I experience a crashing application is with boat browser. I leave the setting for flash set to always on and flash itself isn't a clean application. That is what causes my tablet to force close the app. I've not experienced the rebooting that I did running pure stock Asus firmware either and it otherwise runs perfect.
Maybe try using one of _that's OC kernals. While not as fast as hunds, they are stable and still offer a greater experience than stock. I haven't found needed to use the 1.8ghz performance mode in his kernals and for my needs the balanced setting at 1.3ghz works fine. The extra boost is there if needed.
Speed doesn't mean you will have the best user experience from the tablet. While hardware specs are meant to be the same for all TF700s, each component is different due to the manufacturing process for each tablet assembled. The CPU/components in your tablet may not play nice with hunds kernal.
a very good one
try cmbroms running 4.3.1 but very close to building 4.4 weekly updates and there great love it. if you have any question there team is very fast to respond http://forum.xda-developers.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=47629521:cowboy:
I have been running Cromi-X 5.1 for a few weeks now and it works great.
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were running cmbroms over here and loving it i hear from up the grapevine there getting kitkate soon so will be getting 4.4.1 cant wait the 4.3.1 is solid as a rock and i build them myself on my linix machine loving it
yugendreams said:
I'm getting my tablet Monday and I really don't want to have to flash different roms just to find one that works best.
I prefer Cyanogen stuff, I'm running the nightlies on my Razr Maxx HD, and would like to continue using it on a tablet. HOWEVER, it seems that Cromi has a more developed ROM. Am I wrong? What do you guys think is the best rom and why?
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Cromi-X will be a good option. I think it give you more freedom to install what you want a bit more flexible.
sbdags said:
You are the first person to say that so must be something else you did to cause poor performance.
I'd love to get you up and running properly on cromi-x.
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Hello and greetings from new user of TF700T.
I have been using this ROM for 3 days and I can say while the performance of cromi-x is not poor, it's not great either. Certainly better than CM11 (tried that before switching to cromi-x), but navigating the entire Android OS still feels sluggish. Not to say my TF700T is always slow, but tapping home button for instance, could take me 2-3 seconds before it starts reacting. When I open any apps, the transition animation is also sluggish, which is worse if I navigate apps from recent apps button. Lastly and the worst, Google Now and Google Now Launcher are very unpleasant to use, freezes on the opening and lags almost on the entire time.
I wonder if this kind of experience normal in TF700T considering the tablet is 2 years old? Or there are some tweaks I missed? I am currently running CROMi-X 5.4 Xenogenesis DEODEX.
For whatever the reason is, I'm still thankful for such a great ROM. It's the guys like you who make Android different and beautiful
Anggrian said:
Hello and greetings from new user of TF700T.
I have been using this ROM for 3 days and I can say while the performance of cromi-x is not poor, it's not great either. Certainly better than CM11 (tried that before switching to cromi-x), but navigating the entire Android OS still feels sluggish. Not to say my TF700T is always slow, but tapping home button for instance, could take me 2-3 seconds before it starts reacting. When I open any apps, the transition animation is also sluggish, which is worse if I navigate apps from recent apps button.
I wonder if this kind of experience normal in TF700T considering the tablet is 2 years old? Or there are some tweaks I missed? I am currently running CROMi-X 5.4 Xenogenesis DEODEX.
For whatever the reason is, I'm still thankful for such a great ROM. It's the guys like you who make Android different and beautiful
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Would you like to try my Extreme Tweaks, ET? Give it a shot and tell us what you think...:laugh:
Will hold on to this ROM for a week. If there is no possible improvement could be made, I'll different ROMs, your Extreme Tweaks, and basically anything dangerous
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Anggrian said:
Will hold on to this ROM for a week. If there is no possible improvement could be made, I'll different ROMs, your Extreme Tweaks, and basically anything dangerous
Sent from my Nexus 5 using XDA Free mobile app
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Actually, it is a part of the Cromi X v5.4. It is working fine with Cromi X ROM only and never test with other ROMs. It is running perfectly fine with all of my testers except one that he had a weird waking up issue....

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