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Opinion: Samsung’s Galaxy Note is the iPhone of the Android world

http://www.sammobile.com/2014/03/27/opinion-samsungs-galaxy-note-is-the-iphone-of-the-android-world/
Great Article, worth reading.
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sohebq said:
http://www.sammobile.com/2014/03/27/opinion-samsungs-galaxy-note-is-the-iphone-of-the-android-world/
Great Article, worth reading.
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Actually no, the Sx (last year S4, soon S5) is the iphone of the Android world, with around 30-40 million units sold for the yearly Sx vs about 3-5 for the corresponding Note. Vs around 50 million iphones.
The Note is like a super-iphone, which in 1-2 years Apple will probably also "invent" (read - steal the idea) in order to reverse the current trend in their sales.

^^
Actually the article compared the loyality of iphone with Samsung. Its true that note series users are more satisfied with samsung than S series users. I have hardly seen anyone going from note 2 or note 3 to small screens or even similar but I have seen a lot of users from S series moved to sony, htc and Lg.
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sohebq said:
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Actually the article compared the loyality of iphone with Samsung. Its true that note series users are more satisfied with samsung than S series users. I have hardly seen anyone going from note 2 or note 3 to small screens or even similar but I have seen a lot of users from S series moved to sony, htc and Lg.
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Former S user using Note 3 and more then happy, next phone will be a Note series, S series no more thanks.

xclub_101 said:
Actually no, the Sx (last year S4, soon S5) is the iphone of the Android world, with around 30-40 million units sold for the yearly Sx vs about 3-5 for the corresponding Note. Vs around 50 million iphones.
The Note is like a super-iphone, which in 1-2 years Apple will probably also "invent" (read - steal the idea) in order to reverse the current trend in their sales.
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What the article was really saying is people with the note series tend to be more faithfully then the s series just like Apple fanboys are with iPhones
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dakunclear said:
What the article was really saying is people with the note series tend to be more faithfully then the s series just like Apple fanboys are with iPhones
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A lot of that is not a matter of "being faithful to the brand" but instead a combination of a very minor part of that plus:
- no alternative to S-Pen
- no alternative phablets with microSD + replaceable battery + enough mass to have both a decent accessory market and a decent ROM prospect in the future (if you think that Samsung is not great with the updates consider that most of the Chinese stuff never gets any update and are never supported by something like CM).
That being said - the Note line is not the main cash-cow, 3-5 million units is very little compared to 50 million units; it is far from zero so it is a pretty lucrative niche, but still not in the first line, and the way I see the evolution of things with Samsung I would expect that S5 mini might get a lot more attention from a certain segment of the market (but that depends a lot on the specs and even more so on the price).

It's much easier to be faithful to a unique product that meets specific needs, than it is to a product designed to have as wide an appeal as possible.
The iPhone, like the Galaxy S4/S5, is designed for mass-market, to be a flagship, primarily bought on contract by technical and non-technical consumers and primarily from network operator stores. People walk in wanting 'an iPhone' or 'a Galaxy' and will be led to what is considered 'best' at the time.
The Note is not going to appeal to everyone due to its size - something some people hate it for - so when people buy one, they are doing so having researched and thought carefully about their needs. They buy that product specifically and tend to know their requirements technically and specifically.
Therefore loyalty will be higher, it has been a very deliberate and considered decision.

Robster83 said:
It's much easier to be faithful to a unique product that meets specific needs, than it is to a product designed to have as wide an appeal as possible.
The iPhone, like the Galaxy S4/S5, is designed for mass-market, to be a flagship, primarily bought on contract by technical and non-technical consumers and primarily from network operator stores. People walk in wanting 'an iPhone' or 'a Galaxy' and will be led to what is considered 'best' at the time.
The Note is not going to appeal to everyone due to its size - something some people hate it for - so when people buy one, they are doing so having researched and thought carefully about their needs. They buy that product specifically and tend to know their requirements technically and specifically.
Therefore loyalty will be higher, it has been a very deliberate and considered decision.
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Very true. I do miss the size of the smaller phones though. But when it comes to reading and watching media, note is brilliant
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How?
iPhones have hardware of 2 years ago, the Note is ahead of everyone.
People who use iPhones are blind to all their faults, we grumble and complain about KNOX on a daily basis.
iPhones are meant for users who want simple, our Note has more features than an iPhone user can handle.
iPhons are meant for the common cattle, our Note 3 is meant for a specific group of people.
I'm not seeing it. We love our Note 3 because there is, in terms of hardware, nothing out there of equal level. Even the newer devices are less. But we are not blind to its faults.

ShadowLea said:
How?
iPhones have hardware of 2 years ago, the Note is ahead of everyone.
People who use iPhones are blind to all their faults, we grumble and complain about KNOX on a daily basis.
iPhones are meant for users who want simple, our Note has more features than an iPhone user can handle.
iPhons are meant for the common cattle, our Note 3 is meant for a specific group of people.
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IPhone is not a phone, it's more like your buying IOS with the hardware you can afford.... and speaking my mind, the moment Nokia WP8 has a pen device( or enhanced screen tap precision), bye bye arrogant Google android& crappy Sammy...:good:

htc9420 said:
IPhone is not a phone, it's more like your buying IOS with the hardware you can afford.... and speaking my mind, the moment Nokia WP8 has a pen device( or enhanced screen tap precision), bye bye arrogant Google android& crappy Sammy...:good:
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I hate Windows phone metro style
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ShadowLea said:
How?
iPhones have hardware of 2 years ago, the Note is ahead of everyone.
People who use iPhones are blind to all their faults, we grumble and complain about KNOX on a daily basis.
iPhones are meant for users who want simple, our Note has more features than an iPhone user can handle.
iPhons are meant for the common cattle, our Note 3 is meant for a specific group of people.
I'm not seeing it. We love our Note 3 because there is, in terms of hardware, nothing out there of equal level. Even the newer devices are less. But we are not blind to its faults.
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I do agree with you, but not entirely. I am a huge Android fanboy and after switching from iOS I've never looked back. However Apple has made iOS very specific to it's hardware it's a marriage between software and hardware that works They do have some very cool features aswell. Sapphire glass, a faster response touch screen, 64bit processor, camera that does 120fps video.
I still recommend iPhone to certain people that aren't interested in custom Roms and want a phone with a very basic interface. iPhone does that really well. The phone itself is very pretty and has a really premium feel to it.
I personally cannot handle the restrictions especially iTunes! As well as not being able to simply bluetooth a simple file from one device to another.
Credit where credit is due though.
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LiMz said:
I do agree with you, but not entirely. I am a huge Android fanboy and after switching from iOS I've never looked back. However Apple has made iOS very specific to it's hardware it's a marriage between software and hardware that works They do have some very cool features aswell. Sapphire glass, a faster response touch screen, 64bit processor, camera that does 120fps video.
I still recommend iPhone to certain people that aren't interested in custom Roms and want a phone with a very basic interface. iPhone does that really well. The phone itself is very pretty and has a really premium feel to it.
I personally cannot handle the restrictions especially iTunes! As well as not being able to simply bluetooth a simple file from one device to another.
Credit where credit is due though.
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You do realize a 64bit CPU is entirely pointless with only 1GB RAM? Its main feature is to support more than 3GB... Another one of those typical "I have it. Can't use it, don't know what it's for, but I have it and you don't" gimmicks on an iPhone...
What I hate most about Apple is the ridiculous process of files communicating between itself and the system. Try editing a .mp3 and then setting it as a ringtone. Can't be done without a computer with itunes to transfer the file from the phone to the pc and back to the phone. What. The. Bleeding. Hell.
I've had iPhone users comment on how much faster my Note 3 is than their iPhone 5S... So... (Also, how they love the homescreen and its freedom.)
As for premium feel... So far I've seen maybe 6 iphones without a broken screen. (And I commute an average of 7 hours a day on the busy Berlin-Schiphol airport train.) There's not much premium about a shattered screen, nor is there anything premium about needing a hideous rubber case to prevent said screen from breaking when you drop it from more than 5cm...
I'll recommend iPhones too, to 92 year old grannies who have never used a phone, or the sad little people who think more than 1 button is too complicated. (Those are the same people I recommend they remove themselves from the gene pool to improve it.)
My dad has never owned a smartphone until last month (He never saw the point. He does now.) and the very first thing he said was "I'd rather have no phone at all than one of those dictator-iphones. I want to decide what it does, not the phone. If I wanted to be dictated in everything by someone else, I'd go live in North Korea." The man has a point... :highfive: (So he bought an LG L5-II, and this morning he shows up at the breakfast table with a "I've been thinking about getting the same phone as you." :victory: Success!)

ShadowLea said:
You do realize a 64bit CPU is entirely pointless with only 1GB RAM? Its main feature is to support more than 3GB... Another one of those typical "I have it. Can't use it, don't know what it's for, but I have it and you don't" gimmicks on an iPhone...
What I hate most about Apple is the ridiculous process of files communicating between itself and the system. Try editing a .mp3 and then setting it as a ringtone. Can't be done without a computer with itunes to transfer the file from the phone to the pc and back to the phone. What. The. Bleeding. Hell.
I've had iPhone users comment on how much faster my Note 3 is than their iPhone 5S... So... (Also, how they love the homescreen and its freedom.)
As for premium feel... So far I've seen maybe 6 iphones without a broken screen. (And I commute an average of 7 hours a day on the busy Berlin-Schiphol airport train.) There's not much premium about a shattered screen, nor is there anything premium about needing a hideous rubber case to prevent said screen from breaking when you drop it from more than 5cm...
I'll recommend iPhones too, to 92 year old grannies who have never used a phone, or the sad little people who think more than 1 button is too complicated. (Those are the same people I recommend they remove themselves from the gene pool to improve it.)
My dad has never owned a smartphone until last month (He never saw the point. He does now.) and the very first thing he said was "I'd rather have no phone at all than one of those dictator-iphones. I want to decide what it does, not the phone. If I wanted to be dictated in everything by someone else, I'd go live in North Korea." The man has a point... :highfive: (So he bought an LG L5-II, and this morning he shows up at the breakfast table with a "I've been thinking about getting the same phone as you." :victory: Success!)
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iTunes really is a killjoy.
And yup, widgets and home screens make your phone a whole lot more informative and pretty.
If you could change something about your note 3. What would it be?
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LiMz said:
iTunes really is a killjoy.
And yup, widgets and home screens make your phone a whole lot more informative and pretty.
If you could change something about your note 3. What would it be?
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"Skate where the puck’s going, not where it’s been.”
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Apart from KNOX?
I'd want the USB3 to work as USB3 and not as 2.1 , get rid of that bottleneck MTP (google's fault that) and a different, bigger sensor in the camera. The camera is rubbish, but I didn't buy the phone for that. (I own an EOS70D) It's still a flaw, though.
I haven't had the same issue with speaker quality as others mention so I can't comment on that.

ShadowLea said:
Apart from KNOX?
I'd want the USB3 to work as USB3 and not as 2.1 , get rid of that bottleneck MTP (google's fault that) and a different, bigger sensor in the camera. The camera is rubbish, but I didn't buy the phone for that. (I own an EOS70D) It's still a flaw, though.
I haven't had the same issue with speaker quality as others mention so I can't comment on that.
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Speaker sound is "muffled" that's for sure, and the volume a bit low... Even my previous S3 sounded better, especially when applying the volume increase MOD (Ahhhh... miss the root features, :crying... I know it's too much to ask for apart from all the premium features, but another speaker on the top would have given the sound a great stereo, surround feel

ShadowLea said:
Apart from KNOX?
I'd want the USB3 to work as USB3 and not as 2.1 , get rid of that bottleneck MTP (google's fault that) and a different, bigger sensor in the camera. The camera is rubbish, but I didn't buy the phone for that. (I own an EOS70D) It's still a flaw, though.
I haven't had the same issue with speaker quality as others mention so I can't comment on that.
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I enjoy the camera though. I have a Sony SLT-A57. Obviously can't mention the two in the same breath but For a tiny sensor it does quite well. What's your take on the HTC upx sensor? I'm contemplating an M8
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LiMz said:
I enjoy the camera though. I have a Sony SLT-A57. Obviously can't mention the two in the same breath but For a tiny sensor it does quite well. What's your take on the HTC upx sensor? I'm contemplating an M8
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Dual 4MP, not familiar with that system, but it's still a 1/3.0" sensor. The problem is they make smartphone CMOS from the rubbush left over from the plate they use to make the rest of the sensors. Middle bit of the plate is the best and goes in a Full-frame, next the APS-C, then the lower end DSLRs, then the high end compacts, then the low end compacts, and whatever is left over is used in smartphones.
So even with 100Map ,you'd still get the aquarel effect, blur, noise and colour issues. We're quintessentially dealing with rubbish.
Wait for a few of the serious picture tests, they might give a better indication.

imho the only android device that competes with an iPhone is the Google nexus series . Apple is a lot better than Samsung quality wise , also their warranty is a lot less a hassle , Sammy has lost its way and is actually writing its own version of the communist manifesto.

Despite KNOX and things like cheap plastic, I still like Samsung for many reasons. They will always create products that will fit users need and they will present it that way. For those who are not on note series considers it huge in size, not pocket friendly and so on. But those who have used it knows that this is true class of Samsung and this is to be kept. I have seen many S series users moving away from Samsung but hardly saw anyone from note series to move. This is Loyalty.

[Q] Invite - to buy or not to buy?

Hi there.
A simple question, I got an invite to buy a Sandstone Black OnePlus One today. I'd probably take it in an instant if it weren't for the yellow band.
Tell me, are the new batches any better or is one of the software fixes working well enough to make it not so much of an issue?

I haven't had any issues. I think there is a vocal minority with the yellow band. The touch screen issues are absolutely fixed it the latest firmware versions (not in stock yet, but in franco kernel)

There really aren't that many phones around with a yellow band...

That is encouraging. It seems there are a lot of people who are pleased.
Have you had any issues with the signal when on 3G/LTE/WiFi/BT? That is the only other area I can say I am concerned. I have an SGS3 fight now and the lack of LTE support is killing me. Well that and how crushingly slow it can be to multitask at times, it is actually struggling with XDA right now lol
I guess with all hardware there are risks associated, I had a perfect S3 but I know of people who have had dead motherboards and a line down their camera so it is not uncommon with a £500 flagship to have glaring defects.

I get better reception with my opo than my note 3.
Anyway, for the price, it can't be beat.

I have not had any issues at all and have owned the one+ since July now. The sandstone case is the only thing which bothers me, it's very easy for it to show signs of wear.

I just got 2 one plus one last week
No problem here at all. Highly recommended.
Will never go back to my note 3 again
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let me say, all three of my friends, including me bought the OPO around late august and ALL of us got the yellow band, BUT after a week or less than a week, for some reason it all disappeared on ALL of our phones.

Interesting that you say it went. Most people said it didn't, but the software trick might do it then. It might even be slightly region specific.
So, I may bite the bullet.

I bought mine mid august and it definitely still has a slight yellow band at the bottom. But it does not annoy me at all. You can only see it when the screen is white and even then it looks like an effect of the application rather than something wrong with the screen. When the screen is any other colour, you can't see it at all.
If this is your only reason for not buying it, then you should get it now. It's a non-issue for me (and most other people I think).

And even if it is a problem, look into the Android development forum as there's a app that creates a filter to make the yellow go away. It's a workaround to the problem.

asking for an invite of 64gb
can i get an invite please i really wanted to buy one but i haven't invited till now

Well, I bit the bullet and did it. Went for express delivery so should hopefully see it soon. Wish me luck!

Good decision. I also went from an S3 to a OPO just last week. Other than the size, which is borderline for me, it smashes the S3 out of the park. Honestly it is pretty much flawless - the screen is fantastic (with no band for me), the performance on another level, and the battery is ridiculous - couldn't be happier with it, and the price is the cheery on top

I confirm that Oneplus is a great piece of kit if you are one of the fortunate to get a device with no issues. The one thing I don't understand is how people can even compare this to a Note 3. I have both, of course the Note is mine and the Oneplus has been a surprise gift for my wife.
She still didn't make the full transition to the 1+ and I am impressed with the specs sheet, however the Note 3 is better in almost every way. The only thing that someone can say about Note 3 is that the CPU is 1 generation behind as the 1+ uses the new 801 vs the 800 which is basically a +/-300Mhz OC if I understood that correctly.
With the Note 3 you get a removable battery, a microsd card and the same amount of RAM and screen resolution. Furthermore you get the S pen which is actually a useful addition, Samsung support (invaluable if you have any issues with your new gadget), and a ton of high quality cases that will protect it from harm.
I'm not saying that 1+ is not a great smartphone for the price, however I don't get people switching from a Note 3 to 1+ and criticising Note 3. Is the Snapdragon 801 that much better?
Just my 2 euro cents, take it with a grain of salt

Dead pixel problem

Hello, i got a tab pro 12.2 on Friday but i had a dead pixel and to make a long story short i have had to exchange it close to 10 times to the note pro 12.2 i have now. I got it replaced yesterday and i took it home after not finding any dead pixels at the store and now i see 2
This is ridiculous, can this best buy juat have a bad batch of both tab and note versions?
I have a note 10.1 2014 and i changed it one and no issues for a year. I wanted the larger screen but i kinda want to just get my money back

The amount of times BestBuy has had a bad batch oved the years is downright ridiculous.
Back with the Asus TF700T, BestBuy had three bad batches that had severe issues with lag (and by that I mean 'open setting, devive reboots from the strain'), broken hinges and dents.
With the Note 3, BestBuy had two batches with severe lightbleed issues.
With the S4, 98% of all their sold devices had to be returned for a battery swap within a week. This was a global issue, but percentages elsewhere were 30% in 3 months.
Two of their batches of S5's had faulty backcovers resulting in waterdamage.
And these are just the ones I know about from other users.
Either BestBuy only sells rubbish, or quality control in the USA is a bad joke. (I do know the EU has severely high legal quality demands.)
A device should last at least two years without any hardware related issues. Users should not have to exhange it within those two years. At least, such is the quality demamd law here.
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I would like to see a full screen capture of one dead pixel. I remember reading on the laptop forums that the vendors would not exchange laptops if they had 3 or less dead pixels. More than 3 would warrant a exchange. With the high resolution of the 12.2 tablet is one dead pixel even noticeable? I guess for the OP it was.

As an android developer dozens of devices pass through my hands, I have never noticed a dead pixel. I am either lucky, don't know how to spot them, or have an eye sight problem. I am curious too to see a full screen capture with a dead pixel.
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ShadowLea said:
The amount of times BestBuy has had a bad batch oved the years is downright ridiculous.
Either BestBuy only sells rubbish, or quality control in the USA is a bad joke. (I do know the EU has severely high legal quality demands.)
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I'd be curious to know what factories the batches are coming from. Are there many factories, just a few, or just one?
Not sure if the issue is quality control in the USA though in this case since my BB purchased tablet came from Vietnam. BB doesn't open and check products.
I do wish we had better regulations like EU for consumer protection though.

A screen capture won't show dead pixels
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Odd, if part of the screen is not visible wouldn't that be seen in a screen capture? If not, how about taking a digital photo of the screen with a camera.?

The screen memory (where the image is stored) is typically okay, it is one or more transistors in the screen itself that don't work. So the processor and memory know nothing about the dead pixel and therefore a screen shot will be perfect no matter how many dead pixels.... (as the screenshot is a copy of the internal memory it doesn't know about the actual screen)
Taking a picture with a camera will show dead pixels of course as that looks at the actual screen...
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muzzy996 said:
I'd be curious to know what factories the batches are coming from. Are there many factories, just a few, or just one?
Not sure if the issue is quality control in the USA though in this case since my BB purchased tablet came from Vietnam. BB doesn't open and check products.
I do wish we had better regulations like EU for consumer protection though.
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Well, some devices come from Vietnam, some Korea, some China..
It's not that they open them to physically test them once they arrive in country of destination. The difference lies well before they even enter the packaging area of the factory. The US has a quality control organisation (the name escapes me, the FCC?) that approves of devices before they're even officially announced. (Which is where most pre-release device specs releases come from). The EU has their own equivalent, which has much higher regulations and demands. A higher quality level is more expensive to produce. (Which is part of the reason why devices are so much more expensive in the EU.)
Given what I know about the US market, you truly need more customer-orientated laws. Did you know it is strictly illegal in the EU to buy a device, use it for a week as you please, put it back in the box, return it and get your money back? And they sure as hell don't re-sell it as 'new' without risking a million euro fine. I've heard from quite a few that's normal practise in the US, with the resulting trouble of dents, scratches and malicious software. I've even seen people getting a rooted device as 'new' in stores like Staples. (I mentioned that in the Staples here. They were utterly horrified.)
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Odd, if part of the screen is not visible wouldn't that be seen in a screen capture? If not, how about taking a digital photo of the screen with a camera.?
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The physical screen is not the same as the displayed image. If you were to mirror it on another display, you wouldn't see the dead pixel. A dead pixel is a malfunction in the hardware, the image displayed is purely digital. Think of it like a scratch on the glass not affecting the photograph beneath in a picture frame. Using a camera to take a photograph would work.

no MKBHD or Unbox Therapy

Correct if I'm wrong but I don't see V10 review videos from the top two YouTube reviewers with well over one million subscribers each. I know they reviewed LG's previous phones like the G4. You would think with the aggresive LG promotional offer that these two reviewers would have had an interest in informing the public that LG were throwing everything and the kitchen sink behind their first V series phone, both in terms of features that touch on many of their favorite topics like audio (32 bit DAC) and photo (full manual controls on video) and the unique second screen feature as well as the marketing. Was there ever another flagship phone that gave away $250+ in accessories? I can't think of one. This phone and it's launch has more than enough to distinguish it from most other phones in the flagship category. It sounds like there is either some politics or payola going on. There's no way they aren't aware of this phone and it's unique position as the last combination of SD card and removable battery.
Again apologies if I missed their reviews of the V10 but I subscribe to both and didn't notice a notification for the V10.

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Correct if I'm wrong but I don't see V10 review videos from the top two YouTube reviewers with well over one million subscribers each. I know they reviewed LG's previous phones like the G4. You would think with the aggresive LG promotional offer that these two reviewers would have had an interest in informing the public that LG were throwing everything and the kitchen sink behind their first V series phone, both in terms of features that touch on many of their favorite topics like audio (32 bit DAC) and photo (full manual controls on video) and the unique second screen feature as well as the marketing. Was there ever another flagship phone that gave away $250+ in accessories? I can't think of one. This phone and it's launch has more than enough to distinguish it from most other phones in the flagship category. It sounds like there is either some politics or payola going on. There's no way they aren't aware of this phone and it's unique position as the last combination of SD card and removable battery.
Again apologies if I missed their reviews of the V10 but I subscribe to both and didn't notice a notification for the V10.
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I don't have anything particularly noteworthy to add, other than the fact that my impression is also that the V10 has been a little (oddly) overlooked in the press and media. At least compared to other phones like the Note 5 and S6 models that pretty much every site and reviewer covered ad nauseam. I also noticed Mobile Tech Review didn't touch the V10, that's usually the first Youtube review I hit.
It's strange considering not only the promotion, but the fact that the phone has no glaring flaws, excellent specs with a lower than average price (with T-Mobile at least) and includes 2 things many are still demanding in a phone - a removable battery and SD expansion. LG deserves extra respect and acknowledgement for not trying to nickle & dime the customer with ridiculous storage upcharges. Not sure about conspiracies, but considering that most "reviewers" are beholden to manufacturers for review units, it wouldn't surprise me. The only reviewers I really trust anymore anyway are MTR, Erica Griffin, and Max Lee. I noticed Erica posted some video taken with the V10, so I would assume she has a review coming soon.

Pocketnow just posted their review for the v10.. Seemed like they do not like the v10 too.. Its a shame that reviers are butt licking Samsung and Apple phones these days.. You are absolutely right on Erica Griffin and max Lee being the most informative goutebers.. Max Lee already released like 5 videos on the v10!
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I guess this begs the question are the bigger reviewers paid to do their reviews? Even if they have to pay for their own review phones wouldn't it be penny wise but pound foolish to pass up all the views and new subscribers by doing another flafship? As a top reviewer your subscribers expect you to weigh in on all the flagships phones. I even recall MKBHD doing an Amazon Fire phone video even though he didn't have the phone and He told everyone not to buy it! I guess he was mad they didn't include him on the list of people to demo the phone pre-release. It seems the same thing has happened here.

I'm actually dumbfounded that MKBHD hasn't given any LG V10 love he seemed to live the G4 iirc. I've been waiting for his video on it then bam Black Berry Priv... Okay... Awkward...

The phone just came out what, a few weeks ago right? Marques usually takes at least 2 weeks to get around to a new device and when he does he'll take several days of using it as a daily runner before putting together a video. Yes, I'll admit I checked earlier myself to see if he'd done one yet on the V10 and I know he will, it's just going to take some time.
I figure within another 2 weeks we'll see a review on his YouTube channel and I look forward to it.
Realize that he made a video recently that gets the point across that we don't compare new smartphones on what's new anymore or what's better - the comparisons are pretty much "Ok, thanks for tuning in and viewing, here's what's wrong with this device..." and that's about it.
While I do like his videos for the information they provide, I also find the video reviews by Lisa at MobileTechReview to be very well done too. Those are pretty my go-to channels on YouTube when I'm interested in getting opinions of hands on usage overall.

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The phone just came out what, a few weeks ago right? Marques usually takes at least 2 weeks to get around to a new device and when he does he'll take several days of using it as a daily runner before putting together a video. Yes, I'll admit I checked earlier myself to see if he'd done one yet on the V10 and I know he will, it's just going to take some time.
I figure within another 2 weeks we'll see a review on his YouTube channel and I look forward to it.
Realize that he made a video recently that gets the point across that we don't compare new smartphones on what's new anymore or what's better - the comparisons are pretty much "Ok, thanks for tuning in and viewing, here's what's wrong with this device..." and that's about it.
While I do like his videos for the information they provide, I also find the video reviews by Lisa at MobileTechReview to be very well done too. Those are pretty my go-to channels on YouTube when I'm interested in getting opinions of hands on usage overall.
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MKBHD usually does a quick preview video and then a longer full review. He's done neither.
The more I think about it, the more I think LG decided to carefully select which reviewers they wanted to get first crack a preview model. I think they picked Max Lee because he's a big advocate of consumers being able to use SD cards and change their own batteries. We all know that blocking those two things is just a transparent attempt by Samsung, Apple, etc. to shorten the shelf life of phones so that you're buying a new phone every year and half. And to fleece us out money by marking up the price for storage even when its gotten to be really inexpensive. Apple are the most flagrant abusers of this, $650 only get you 16GB in the year 2015. Ridiculous!
Max was very critical about Samsung dropping these deal-breaker features for many former Samsung, and now LG V10, customers. LG must have picked up on that and made sure he received a demo unit. He's become my #1 reviewer. I like to Erica Griffin as well, she does a great job of checking for color accuracy on displays. Jaime from Pocket Now and Armando Ferreira are my two other favorites.

Speaking of reviews, which independent reviewers do you guys recommend, or trust the most? By "independent" I mean review products using their own money, not getting anything from the manufactures. I feel like using a device provided by the manufactures could more or less affect their opinions toward the product.

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Speaking of reviews, which independent reviewers do you guys recommend, or trust the most? By "independent" I mean review products using their own money, not getting anything from the manufactures. I feel like using a device provided by the manufactures could more or less affect their opinions toward the product.
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My top 3 are - Flossy carter，Max Lee and Erica Griffin.. Flossy Carter already did a 50 minutes review on the v 10..check it out
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yeah ^^ i usually like to see what Erica Griffin has to say about a device. she's very thorough! hope she gets her hands on a V10

YrrchSebor said:
yeah ^^ i usually like to see what Erica Griffin has to say about a device. she's very thorough! hope she gets her hands on a V10
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https://plus.google.com/+EricaGriffin/posts/DimkJLER19X
That's ericas newest post on g+. Its safe to say she is very fond of the phone.

I tend to buy phones on my impressions and desires. I was unimpressed by the G4 and I'm glad the V10 came out of nowhere. My only complaint is that they could have came up with LED style app for the second screen, but I'm sure with time a Xposed module will come out for it similar to the ones that have been made for Samsung phones.

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MO3iusONE said:
Yeah but it would of been nice if he did an actual review for a phone that's unique and under rated.
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It did feel slightly like a pity review as many are probably asking him about the phone.

I bet you MKBHD did his review a little later because dbrand didn't send him a phone. Probably the same reason why UnboxTherapy hasn't done one yet too.
dbrand even tweeted this out: Can people stop saying the LG V10 has a "second screen"? That pathetic bar at the top is not a "second screen".
Obviously, they got something against the V10... So maybe they didn't send MKHBD or UT the phones.
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Also how could Marques not mention the DAC?!

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I bet you MKBHD did his review a little later because dbrand didn't send him a phone. Probably the same reason why UnboxTherapy hasn't done one yet too.
dbrand even tweeted this out: Can people stop saying the LG V10 has a "second screen"? That pathetic bar at the top is not a "second screen".
Obviously, they got something against the V10... So maybe they didn't send MKHBD or UT the phones.
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Also how could Marques not mention the DAC?!
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That was part of the reason it felt a little forced quick style review. A lot of factors could come to play though.
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chaitea said:
I bet you MKBHD did his review a little later because dbrand didn't send him a phone. Probably the same reason why UnboxTherapy hasn't done one yet too.
dbrand even tweeted this out: Can people stop saying the LG V10 has a "second screen"? That pathetic bar at the top is not a "second screen".
Obviously, they got something against the V10... So maybe they didn't send MKHBD or UT the phones.
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Also how could Marques not mention the DAC?!
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Sounds like this 'dbrand' person is a bit of a boob considering that yes, the second screen is "a second screen" with dedicated circuitry which is discrete from the main display situated below it. It ain't much in terms of size but it is indeed a second screen in the device itself.
As for someone sending phones, from my understanding MKBHD buys his phones directly and never gets them for free just to do a review - he's always maintained that stance so that people won't have issues with the reviews whether they're favorable or not, and considering how many views he gets on his YouTube channel, he's most certainly making some income from it. That Red Dragon camera he uses to film his videos didn't come cheap and it sure as hell wasn't free either, so I have no reason to doubt that he does indeed purchase all the devices he does reviews on or even mentions.
If he doesn't well, that would just make him a scumbucket human being then wouldn't it?

I find it very unusual that he MKBHD calls the V10 underrated. I think you have to even know it exists in the first place to call it underrated. I have yet to meet a single person in my daily life who knew what the V10 was or had any idea it was coming out. But overall, I think that his reason for not doing a full review by now was flat out weird. "Better late than never?". That's not a really high standard for a guy with 3 million subscribers. I absolutely mystified why he hasn't done one of his 30 minute reviews given what he a fan he is of audio and video, the ability to customize the skin making Nova Launcher unnecessary, just so many features that are packed into one device for 64GB standard.
Oddly enough I was driving my car Sunday evening and a radio commercial came on for the V10 announcing the 64GB free SD card and free battery/cradle. That has to be the first time I have ever heard a radio commercial for a tablet or phone. It seems pretty clear to me that LG are not on Apple or Samsung's level yet on being able to mount a flagship phone marketing campaign. But who cares we should support them simply because they gave us SD card and removable battery. And giving us all a 200GB card, that's about the complete opposite of what Apple and Samsung do for their customers, which is basically to nickel and dime them.

dbrand aka douche brand can be childish and annoying sometimes.
lol @ the second screen not being a "second screen". is an extended display better?

Chances of a variant of this phone

In the past, Asus has been keen to release an assortment of phones per generation. Sometimes they were not the usual variety based on budget, rather, Asus would often release models that would be more of a master of a certain trade than its sibling and vice versa.
Point being, what is the probability that Asus will release a variation of this phone with an AMOLED display? I know it's a petty thing to ask, but I'm just antsy because the IPS screen is the one thing holding me back from throwing my money at Asus immediately and commending this as the greatest smartphone of all time, on paper (lol).
What are your thoughts?

The probability is zero.

nykreimox said:
In the past, Asus has been keen to release an assortment of phones per generation. Sometimes they were not the usual variety based on budget, rather, Asus would often release models that would be more of a master of a certain trade than its sibling and vice versa.
Point being, what is the probability that Asus will release a variation of this phone with an AMOLED display? I know it's a petty thing to ask, but I'm just antsy because the IPS screen is the one thing holding me back from throwing my money at Asus immediately and commending this as the greatest smartphone of all time, on paper (lol).
What are your thoughts?
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Take it like this. How many phones have you seen that after release (that is to say after fully revealing all the specs of the phone and selling the first batch to the public), they change specs such as screen technology (which is a huge change)?
Cant do a full research on that but i can almost guarantee that the answer will be zero LOL. Unless a manufacturer encounters an unfixable issue with the screen for which they would be forced to change to another technology, i don't think they will release one with AMOLED display. (and maybe not even that, maybe if there is a huge unfixable issue they would decide to skip the whole phone and just stop the manufacturing and move on to a newer model (with a different name, and fixed issues). We can take for example the Note 7 and their batteries, or the galaxy fold, or the many lg series phones with the bootloop issues (at least some of them) and the list can go on and on. But.... If you can find an AMOLED screen manufacturer maybe he/she can help you out

Personally I wouldn't worry about the screen. You may want to do some research on the flipping camera module as there seems to be a number of complaints around its functionality. If there's problems with it already, I can only imaging it getting worse the longer one has the phone in use. Also, there are now people complaining about boot-loops and constant UI freezes. I think Asus needs to get on top of these issues yesterday or this will turn out to be a big flop.

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Take it like this. How many phones have you seen that after release (that is to say after fully revealing all the specs of the phone and selling the first batch to the public), they change specs such as screen technology (which is a huge change)?
Cant do a full research on that but i can almost guarantee that the answer will be zero LOL. Unless a manufacturer encounters an unfixable issue with the screen for which they would be forced to change to another technology, i don't think they will release one with AMOLED display. (and maybe not even that, maybe if there is a huge unfixable issue they would decide to skip the whole phone and just stop the manufacturing and move on to a newer model (with a different name, and fixed issues). We can take for example the Note 7 and their batteries, or the galaxy fold, or the many lg series phones with the bootloop issues (at least some of them) and the list can go on and on. But.... If you can find an AMOLED screen manufacturer maybe he/she can help you out
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Good points, but not really in the scope of what I was wondering. I said *variant*, not replacement. I am questioning weather the situation would occur where Asus would keep the IPS model as a cheaper alternative to a more premium AMOLED model.
The most tricky problem when it comes to this situation is what the heck else Asus would add to the "more premium" AMOLED model to make it any more appealing than the "budget" IPS model, since the Zenfone 6 offers more beyond the screen than most competitors in the price range of $500+AMOLED=roughly $630 (adjusted for adequate profit) by MILES.

jaseman said:
Personally I wouldn't worry about the screen. You may want to do some research on the flipping camera module as there seems to be a number of complaints around its functionality. If there's problems with it already, I can only imaging it getting worse the longer one has the phone in use. Also, there are now people complaining about boot-loops and constant UI freezes. I think Asus needs to get on top of these issues yesterday or this will turn out to be a big flop.
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Yikes, that is spooky. I'd hope to not worry about the camera module as its almost literally a pet idea I'd had sketched in my brain for years that would be one of the best instances of killing two birds with one stone I'd ever imagine: solving the offensively awful quality of selfie cams (which I don't use as much as most but the few times I need it are important) and destroying the bane of my interest in new smartphones known as notches with one stone.
However, AMOLED is near a requirement seeing as I use my current IPS equipped phone for rhythm games and other input intensive tasks and sorely miss the lower latency of my previous AMOLED phone. Night and day stuff, for me.

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Also, there are now people complaining about boot-loops and constant UI freezes.
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Please, calm down. They tinkered with Developer options...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone-6-2019/help/uk-shipping-date-t3933035/post79765293
But anyway ASUS confirmed this animations bug, it'll be resolved in the next update.

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Please, calm down. They tinkered with Developer options...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone-6-2019/help/uk-shipping-date-t3933035/post79765293
But anyway ASUS confirmed this animations bug, it'll be resolved in the next update.
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I am calm...but to have such issues out-of-the-box is unacceptable. But none of what you point to as a bug fixes the problem with the camera module rattling, or not opening or closing properly. Is that a bug? Can software fix mechanical issues? I read where people are using strategically placed strips of duct tape to "solve" the rattling problem. So maybe Asus can throw in a small roll of duct tape along with a clear case? Yes, some people say theirs doesn't rattle or make added noise when the vibration motor is activated. So is this going to be a hit-or-miss proposition? What about when the module loosens from continual use, and someone wants Asus to do something about it, and they just say it's normal wear-and-tear, not covered by warranty? (Let's face it...this camera is a novelty and most people who get one are going to be flipping this thing in and out until the fat lady sings.) No offense to the more rotund feminine gender out there!!!
Don't get me wrong, I'm interested in this phone for many reasons, but along with limited/missing LTE bands, and a possibly faulty camera module design, I will wait until there are many more end users here in the US who give us their personal hands on reviews to make my decision. I never buy any tech of any kind without doing my homework.

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I am questioning weather the situation would occur where Asus would keep the IPS model as a cheaper alternative to a more premium AMOLED model.
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But this is exactly what im talking about. Here is how the market works most of the time. If i give you all the specs of a product before hand (including all the models i will be releasing), i take the liberty To make an event so that people can see what im offering and to test it. and i start selling each model of that product. Then all of the suden i decide to add an extra model out of the blue, now that's a risky move from where they might lose rather than gain. Lets number the issues that could happen.
1) People who already bought the IPS screen models would probably not buy it if there are things they already consider as defect (but might no be) in the phone (This alone decreases the sales by a good portion).
2) The cost of production will obviously increase with AMOLED screens, which in terms would also make the sale price of that model to significantly increase. (One of the main reasons this phone is being sold somewhat good is the price, and you will most likely see prices of at least $900+ on that new variant (which in terms kills the appealing price the zenfone has).
3) Following on issue two, (if asus decides to sell the AMOLED screens for repairments, that will obviously increase the repairment price of a cracked screen (accidentally or not accidentally). Believe it or not, more and more people are getting involve on the *fixing their own phones* thing now a days. Some of them will completely disregard the new variant with AMOLED released just because the dont deem it worthy if the cost of the screen repairs exceeds a certain price (which its often the case with AMOLED screens).
4) Following on issue 3, a portion of people are aware of Burn In screens that might develop on AMOLED screens (which we all know it is irreversible). Like always, a portion of people will end up wanting an exchange for a new phone within the warranty time given, then asus have 2 options there: give the customer a new phone if he is not satisfied with the screen performance (because lets say he left the screen on in google maps for 8 hours straight and the status bar got burned into the display, or basically any other app that if left untouched with the screen on for a long time, it might develop burn in image); or withstand the depreciation/anger they will have from those who got the AMOLED variant and got Burnt image on their phones.
These are probably the major issues they could face by doing this out of the blue. (It is just a volatil move). They could have done it if they had announced it along with the other ones at the same time. But now, their best move could be to wait for the next zenfone the are planning to release in the future.
Here is a Bonus issue: I can say with confidence that at the moment of dispatching the phones they might deliver the wrong products since whats going to change is just the screen. (which means returns, exchanges, more time for the consumer to wait, and some bad reviews (like any angry customers would attribute for a very silly mistake) lol)

Your reply is again all about malfunctioning camera mechanism despite that I commented just this your sentence "Also, there are now people complaining about boot-loops and constant UI freezes." I give you the post right here on XDA why it is happening and that this bug will be rectified. But these poor users have caused it to themselves, they made changes at the developer level, and not recognize the negative consequences of doing so, they didn't understand the causal link between the changes they made themselves and the phone's behavior. And then they complained about a broken phone.
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I never buy any tech of any kind without doing my homework.
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When doing your homework you missed above information, so that's why I came up with a fix for this fake news, not just for you, but mainly for others.
I don't even comment about your hijacking of this thread.