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[Q] what is ARM based and Intel Based Tablets

to whom is knowledgable and also like to explain like Ted mozbi in How I met Your Mother show.... please what is the defernce between ARM based tablet and Intel based tablet???? what concerns me the most is it like I can install exe. file on the intel while I can't in the ARM !?

The major difference between the two is that they typically refer to the the architecture of the cpu. This means how it was designed and how machine instructions are interpreted by cpu.
The answer is yes and no for whether you can install exe's. Yes, they will both be able to install different programs and applications. However, the application or program in question will have to be compiled for that architecture. I haven't done any windows mobile development but my guess is that most if not all apps you can download from the market place will be available for both architectures.
Hopefully that can clear things up a bit.

Wow fastest replay ever seen thanks a milion,,, it did clear out the picture clearer then before ...

To add a little more to the above, Windows on ARM (WoA) will only be able to run Metro style apps, specifically written for Windows 8. I also think that it will only be able to get these apps through the Windows Marketplace. I'm sure there'll be a jailbreak before it's even released, but I think this will still only allow metro style apps written for Windows 8, it'll just allow for them to be installed from other sources. Jailbreaking may also allow non-metro desktop style apps, it's too early to tell, but these will still have to be specially written for WoA.
Windows 8 on Intel chips will be able to run all legacy apps (which will now be called desktop mode apps to differentiate them from Metro apps), from any and all sources, just like your normal Windows PC can now. It will also be able to run Metro apps from the marketplace, and presumably from any other source as well.

See also http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1466400
for the Definitive guide to Windows on ARM

stevenmu said:
To add a little more to the above, Windows on ARM (WoA) will only be able to run Metro style apps, specifically written for Windows 8. I also think that it will only be able to get these apps through the Windows Marketplace.
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To add on, Windows on ARM is called Windows RT. Metro Style Apps is able to cross-platform on the x86, x64 and also ARM while Desktop Apps are able to run on x86 and x64. However, preinstalled Desktop Apps such as Office 15 (Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, OneNote, etc.) will be able to run on the ARM version.

What is the latest on App releases for RT?

I have a 64gb and cover on preorder, and should get it by Friday. Every day I have been Googling the latest Microsoft Surface and app store news and I am totally frustrated about the lack of info out there regarding the apps and other news other than the comparisons to Apple , blah blah blah I don't have the ability to load a preview of Win 8 or desire to go through the hassle,
Either Microsoft is very good about keeping the media at bay, or there is very little info or activity going on regarding App development. Is there a current App count and list somewhere of what's been developed and what's in the works. Last count I heard MS was at about 3600 US apps last week, but were expected to hit the 5k goal. So what's the latest.
Exciting and frustrating at the same time.

guitar1969 said:
I have a 64gb and cover on preorder, and should get it by Friday. Every day I have been Googling the latest Microsoft Surface and app store news and I am totally frustrated about the lack of info out there regarding the apps and other news other than the comparisons to Apple , blah blah blah I don't have the ability to load a preview of Win 8 or desire to go through the hassle,
Either Microsoft is very good about keeping the media at bay, or there is very little info or activity going on regarding App development. Is there a current App count and list somewhere of what's been developed and what's in the works. Last count I heard MS was at about 3600 US apps last week, but were expected to hit the 5k goal. So what's the latest.
Exciting and frustrating at the same time.
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Found an interesting site regarding the Apps on Windows Store
http://www.winappupdate.com/
Here's the lowdown from the sire:
"As of today, there are 7,873 Windows Store apps available worldwide. Of these, 88% (6,964) are free – mirroring the percentages first seen much earlier this month. The number of apps added per day has been rather significant, and includes 459 apps worldwide that have been added since I polled yesterday.
Almost all applications are available in both x86 and x64 architectures. Only two apps appear to solely target Windows RT (ARM), 31 target only Windows 8 x64 and don’t have Windows 8 x86 or Windows RT support. The gap I first noticed some time ago is still there, however. While almost all apps support Windows 8 on x86 and x64, 6% of apps do not support Windows RT on ARM at this time. This may change after GA when developers can test on Windows RT systems – but it may always stay lower, reflecting the challenges of developing WinRT apps on Windows RT that I have heard from several developers.
Speaking of developers, there are now 3,367 distinct developers who have apps available on the store at the current time.
Of the total number of apps added since I polled yesterday, 219 were added to the US Windows Store (likely added to others as well). Something interesting happened this week, though. More apps have been added to the Chinese Windows Store than US English. As a result, the US Windows Store is now the second largest, at 4,516 Windows Store apps – while the Chinese Windows Store features 4,795 Windows Store apps."
So it looks like MS will hit their goal of 5,000 US apps by launch. The question is how many quality apps will there be at launch.
But with Bluestacks for RT officially announced, then we will also have all the Android apps as well, but not sure how that will work as far as implementation.

At last someone other than me has pointed out about bluestacks lol

lumpaywk said:
At last someone other than me has pointed out about bluestacks lol
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I think you turned me onto Bluestacks (LOL). If it works as intended and is fluid (Not a crummy emulator) then that is a game changer for app counts with all the "fluff" apps which everybody seems to want.
I personally don't need a bunch of fluff apps and it looks like the majority of what I want is alreadiy planned for RT or released already.

start menu

Is there a way i can add the start menu on my rt, I installed pokki my desktop running windows 8,but cant seem to install on my rt.

ha, nope sorry buddy! windows RT is completely different to windows 8, RT is using a ARM processor 'tegra 3' this means the software will have to be made for an arm CPU, that's why it won't work on your rt device. this is also why there is a marketplace for downloading all of your apps....
sorry.

ssfirme said:
Is there a way i can add the start menu on my rt, I installed pokki my desktop running windows 8,but cant seem to install on my rt.
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you can jailbreak your device using this and then run classic start menu from here. works perfectly on my surface rt

Dane, you're actually incorrect... there's a hack available (on this very site, even), commonly referred to as a "jailbreak", that allows running apps which aren't from the store, sideloaded, or from Microsoft on Windows RT. They still need to be compatible with ARM, as you say, but recent .NET apps work fine with no changes, and many C/C++ open-source apps have been recompiled.
Classic Start has been available on RT for a couple weeks now, using this method. Download the jailbreak hack, unzip it and run it, then follow the instructions. Download and install Classic Start following the instructions in the post linked from my thread, List of desktop apps for hacked RT devices, then restart Windows Explorer (or just log off and log on again) and you'll have a Start menu if you want it so badly (I don't get the fuss; on a tablet, the Start screen really is a better option IMO, but it's available).
Also, there is actually a work-in-progress hack to allow running unmodified x86 programs on RT as well, using dynamic recompilation from x86 to ARM code.

Why would you need a start menu on Rt?

You actually can... I've got 7-Zip, PuTTY, Gvim, MirandaIM, IKVM (and through it, Burp Suite and some other Java programs), Fiddler 4, Python 2.7, and some other "legacy" programs installed on my RT. I'm working on porting Chrome (it's a chrome-plated ***** of a project, if you'll excuse the terrible joke). I also temporarily install additional apps to test them out as people port them to RT. Finally, I've installed the Win86emu beta, which isn't a legacy program but is a desktop program; it's written especially for Windows RT and allows running (some) x86 legacy apps on RT directly and unmodified.

deeman said:
Why would you need a start menu on Rt?
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more of a want than need but it's a familarity thing, i'm sure.

Can I get GOM player or any good player working on RT which can support most extensions ??

mohitgalaxy3 said:
Can I get GOM player or any good player working on RT which can support most extensions ??
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Unrelated to this thread

metro/modern app wish-list for win RT

VLC player - nearing completion
Facebook
Please also mention if the app on your wish list is already a windows phone 8 app. I will try to compile the most requested apps in this initial post.
After making this post, I discovered this nice table of the 100 "most popular" apps on iOS and if they are available for windows phone or windows 8:
http://www.infragistics.com/communi...-ios-android-windows-phone-amp-windows-8.aspx
I still think there are other apps worth mentioning. I'm also curious which of the apps the users on XDA would like to see the most. So feel free to post your support if you like an app that someone else has suggested.

Onlive
VLC
PayPal
Chrome
Steam
Sky Go
BBC Iplayer
There are so many it's quite hard to write them all down.

Onlive
-- never heard of this. Is it useful?
Chrome
-- I think this is unlikely to happen given the Microsoft vs Google war going on
Steam
-- interesting. Also had not heard of this. EDIT - see later post by "Good Day to Die" explaining why this seems impractical
Sky Go
BBC Iplayer
-- Both are very interesting. I think if enough people pressure the BBC then they will make an app.
There are so many it's quite hard to write them all down.
-- I think it is super useful to write these down. Trust me, this is a useful mini-project

You are not, I take it, a gamer? Not having heard of OnLive is understandable (people actually use that?) even though it would actually suit RT quite well. Not having heard of Steam is really, really weird. On the other hand, there is simply no point to having Steam on RT; you couldn't actually *run* anything. You could buy stuff and manage Friends lists and so on, sure, but you could do that from the website just as easily and with less downloading. I can *maybe* see the point of such a crippled Steam app on a phone, where website UI is difficult to use, but it should be quite usable on a tablet...

Well it's not really a Windows 8 app, but Spotify, but I take that's not an open source API?
Dropbox, but I suspect it would be closed off source also.

bigsnack said:
Well it's not really a Windows 8 app, but Spotify, but I take that's not an open source API?
Dropbox, but I suspect it would be closed off source also.
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We are making a wish-list of closed source apps. That is the first step.

Well then if that is the case:
Adobe Lightroom(even if it is an express version).
Windows Media Player Classic
Flipboard

At home finances
Quicken would be at the top of my list.

I have so many to wish!
VirtualBox
Steam
OnLive
Google Chrome
Minecraft
Its not an app but an OS. Ubuntu!
Sent from my Carbonized Blaze

Someone else did his homework with the same idea.http://www.infragistics.com/communi...-ios-android-windows-phone-amp-windows-8.aspx

I'm skeptical of the point of VirtualBox; you want a VM platform on ARM? I can see the desire to dual-boot, and I can see the desire for an emulator when you *really* need to run some code from some other architecture (or are trying to run something so low-footprint that it runs OK when emulated on a relatively weak CPU), but virtualization... why? VirtualBox on RT would not be able to run x86 VMs; it's not an emulator. You think Ubuntu for ARM would virtualize nicely alongside RT? Highly doubtful.
Also, again with the Steam. Steam offers exactly zero games which are compiled for ARM. Everything else useful that the app could do, you could do from the web site. I don't see the point. If you want to ask Valve to port their games to ARM, and encourage others to do the same, *that* would make sense - some of their slightly older stuff, like TF2, would probably play fine on RT - but Steam itself would be pointless.
Please, people - if you want a list like this to be taken seriously, be serious about (and put some thought into) your requests. Minecraft makes sense, for example; it's highly popular, the hardware can handle it, and it would be viable to port it. Chrome makes sense for the same reason (I really need to take another shot at that). Ubuntu even makes sense. Lightroom might be a bit of a waste on the hardware that your typical RT device has, but it could be useful and is not impractical to port.
Don't waste your time on pointless requests, though; that will just lead to you (and the platform you're asking for support on) being completely dismissed.

bigsnack said:
Spotify,.
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Apparently, the spotify website on windows RT is free. the app would cost money. Do we really want to lose the free website access?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2374692

I am using it on the web at the moment(on the desktop browser since the Metro one doesn't support music in the background). But, I was thinking that maybe the RT app would be more like their desktop app, i.e. free with ads, and not like their mobile app, radio only.

Okay, because you asked for my whole list here it is; (Some games Inc.)
Online (Cloud gaming)
VLC
PayPal
Chrome
Steam
Sky Go Sports
BBC Iplayer
Block Fortress
Worms
Bloons TD 5
Rise alarm clock
Youtube?
Google maps
GTA 3/VC
VLC Streamer
Sims
Nike + Running
Walking Dead
Now TV
Ubuntu One
Capital FM
Jelly Car 1,2&3
Real Racing
Drop box
Opera
Speedtest
D-Link Share Centre
MotoGP
Instagram
Gmail
Mail.com
Santander
Utorrent or Bittorrent
Photoshop
XDA Developers
ITunes
Devolo

Dane Reynolds said:
Okay, because you asked for my whole list here it is; (Some games Inc.)
Online (Cloud gaming)
VLC
Paypal
Chrome
BBC Iplayer
Bloons TD 5
Youtube?
VLC Streamer
Gmail
Mail.com
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Gmail and Mail.com both work in the included mail app, probably 3rd party mail apps on store already.
VLC has had a very successful kickstarter for a windows 8/RT port and is currently under development. I presume this includes streaming.
Youtube I think has an official app. Otherwise, there are plenty - and I mean plenty - of 3rd party alternatives. My favourite on my x86 desktop PC is metrotube which I think is also available on ARM. Otherwise, you've got a full blown desktop based web browser on RT, not some ****ty mobile browser. It can cope with youtube fine.
OnLive I thought went bust, screw that. But if its not gone bust, then that is definitely a good suggestion.
BBC IPlayer, browser.
Bloons TD5, browser.
Paypal. Browser, but is fair enough as a metro app.
Chrome. On x86 systems if you install chrome, set as default browser, click to open the menu in the top right and there is an option to relaunch as a metro app. Microsoft have banned web browsers from the store though so there is no hope of an official chrome port. Chromium for jailbroken systems may eventually happen but whether that would include the relaunch as metro functionality or not I have no idea. But the gist of it: on x86 its been done.
Some of your others are either fair enough suggestions or you can use browser.
My personal wish list might be just as far fetched sadly, or it may not.
Cave story
Minecraft (suggested already, not happening according to mojang)
Halo combat evolved
Halo 2
Halo 3
Halo wars (actually I imagine that being playable with touch alone, as a mouse/keyboard based game it would be pretty poor though)
Halo Reach
Halo 4
Halo ODST
ok, so I love halo, don't kill me for it. Just to make some other people happy:
Call of duty
Battlefield (I loved 2 actually, didn't mind the first bad company either)
I also want microsoft to lift the restrictions on COM ports (ie, they don't allow access from an app and I think they should) and network connections to localhost (I seriously dont get what harm there is in using localhost, why block from a store app). Even if it requires adding new permissions to do so.

Just Four
Minecraft
Quicken
Waze
Endomondo

is there an official XDA forum app from windows RT?
I'm starting to get sick of the advertisements on the IE 10 modern browser and occasional crashing of IE 10 modern that this XDA forum website causes....

SixSixSevenSeven said:
Gmail and Mail.com both work in the included mail app, probably 3rd party mail apps on store already.
VLC has had a very successful kickstarter for a windows 8/RT port and is currently under development. I presume this includes streaming.
Youtube I think has an official app. Otherwise, there are plenty - and I mean plenty - of 3rd party alternatives. My favourite on my x86 desktop PC is metrotube which I think is also available on ARM. Otherwise, you've got a full blown desktop based web browser on RT, not some ****ty mobile browser. It can cope with youtube fine.
OnLive I thought went bust, screw that. But if its not gone bust, then that is definitely a good suggestion.
BBC IPlayer, browser.
Bloons TD5, browser.
Paypal. Browser, but is fair enough as a metro app.
Chrome. On x86 systems if you install chrome, set as default browser, click to open the menu in the top right and there is an option to relaunch as a metro app. Microsoft have banned web browsers from the store though so there is no hope of an official chrome port. Chromium for jailbroken systems may eventually happen but whether that would include the relaunch as metro functionality or not I have no idea. But the gist of it: on x86 its been done.
Some of your others are either fair enough suggestions or you can use browser.
My personal wish list might be just as far fetched sadly, or it may not.
Cave story
Minecraft (suggested already, not happening according to mojang)
Halo combat evolved
Halo 2
Halo 3
Halo wars (actually I imagine that being playable with touch alone, as a mouse/keyboard based game it would be pretty poor though)
Halo Reach
Halo 4
Halo ODST
ok, so I love halo, don't kill me for it. Just to make some other people happy:
Call of duty
Battlefield (I loved 2 actually, didn't mind the first bad company either)
I also want microsoft to lift the restrictions on COM ports (ie, they don't allow access from an app and I think they should) and network connections to localhost (I seriously dont get what harm there is in using localhost, why block from a store app). Even if it requires adding new permissions to do so.
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do you have a link to where Mojang states that they refuse to make the game minecraft for windows RT?
Mint.com didn't want to make windows phone or RT app for ages, but enough people on the forum convinced them otherwise....

med007 said:
do you have a link to where Mojang states that they refuse to make the game minecraft for windows RT?
Mint.com didn't want to make windows phone or RT app for ages, but enough people on the forum convinced them otherwise....
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no link no but when windows 8 came out notch posted a few mini rants on twitter about how windows is moving to a closed platform and how they refuse to submit minecraft to any sort of verification process (blatent lie as it has the same for android, IOS and xbla). Carl manneh then backed that up stating that mojang will not be submitting minecraft to windows 8.
Even if they did want minecraft on the Microsoft store, they couldn't use the existing minecraft desktop version, its java. The store only allows .NET, HTML5/JS and C/C++ software, no java. If you did see minecraft for windows 8 and RT it would either be a modified pocket edition (pocket edition uses a C library with many common functions and then wraps this library into android and IOS apps, same could apply to RT in theory) or a new version based from the xbox version which is C# and XNA supposedly (not been confirmed but without full developers hardware that's all 3rd parties can use, its never been confirmed if 4j studios have the developers hardware or use xna, if they do use anything else it would be C/C++ again). C# is fine on RT but there is no XNA on the windows store so new render code would be required, or they could swap to monogame but to my knowledge monogame is Windows 8 on x86 at the moment and doesn't have an arm version (might be possible to port) but is allowed on the store.

[Q] Use unofficial apps Surface 2 RT + playstore ?

Hi,
I want to buy a Microsoft Surface 2 with Windows 8.1 RT.
I want to know is a jailbreak is possible for this tablet, to allow me to launch unofficial apps like "the no RT windows".
I also want to know if it's possible to install Android Playstore on it, and if it's possible to watch football stream like on this site on it : http://xn--frstrowsports-39b.eu/
Thanks

OK, first of all (and should be obvious): There's no jailbreak (which is a software mod) to make an ARM processor run x86 code. That's like asking if you anybody has a way to turn an iPad into a MacBook Pro.
Second: There's no (publicly released) jailbreak for RT 8.1 at this time, but if you want to you can downgrade to 8.0 (may take a little work to get it going but is said to be possible) and then use the 8.0 jailbreak. This will let you run code on the Desktop, but the programs still need to either be .NET based or need to be recompiled from x86 (normal Windows CPU architecture) to ARM (mobile device CPU architecture). See the link in my signature.
No, you can't run Android apps on it. Same way you can't run iOS apps on Android or Android apps on iOS, or Mac apps on Windows.
There are lots of apps on the Windows store for streaming sports videos; I don't know about one for that in particular.

Okay, thanks for your help.
Because i have to choose between a Galaxy Note 10,1" and the Surface 2.
But i don't know if the surface is a good choice, because of the market. The market is really poor i think...
So, on this tablet, we are unable to use Google Chrome for exemple ?

Google has not released a version for RT, so you are correct that it won't work.
On the other hand, the Surface has full IE8.1, not just a crippled mobile UI, meaning it can do things like tracking protect/ad-blocking. It also supports (comes with) full Flashplayer, which hasn't been available on Android for years. Don't know if you find that useful.