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Wanting To Go Windows Phone

With Windows 8 and Surface coming out soon and the fact that I've enjoyed Windows 8 on my laptop and it's new ecosystem, I think I may dump Android for WP8.
I know the biggest thing to come up is Apps. Android apps I use on a daily basis or ones I really like are:
Flipboard
Google Reader
Google Maps (and navigation)
YouTube (Official App)
I am tied into the Google ecosystem for my contacts and google services and I know they can be converted to a Microsoft Account. But, I do have a Windows Phone 7 as my work phone and while I love the OS much more than Android, I love the above mentioned apps much more on the droid. I've tried the third party Reader and YouTube apps and they just don't measure up. But I am also ready for one ecosystem and since I already have an XBOX and a Microsoft shop at home, I am ready to go all Microsoft for my mobile world. But so want my apps!
Anyone else face this quandary?

garak0410 said:
With Windows 8 and Surface coming out soon and the fact that I've enjoyed Windows 8 on my laptop and it's new ecosystem, I think I may dump Android for WP8.
I know the biggest thing to come up is Apps. Android apps I use on a daily basis or ones I really like are:
Flipboard
Google Reader
Google Maps (and navigation)
YouTube (Official App)
I am tied into the Google ecosystem for my contacts and google services and I know they can be converted to a Microsoft Account. But, I do have a Windows Phone 7 as my work phone and while I love the OS much more than Android, I love the above mentioned apps much more on the droid. I've tried the third party Reader and YouTube apps and they just don't measure up. But I am also ready for one ecosystem and since I already have an XBOX and a Microsoft shop at home, I am ready to go all Microsoft for my mobile world. But so want my apps!
Anyone else face this quandary?
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you need to decide what you can do without more.
Personally I don't give too hoots about the apps on any platform which then leave the OS choice its self as the main reason for change, and hence why im on WP7 as well.
If I were you I would consider this, those apps you talk about have alternatives on WP7, so its not like its completely missing, so the question you need to ask yourself is this, is the overall OS and general phone features of WP more important than half a dozen apps that are still available to WP but not quite as youd want?
in my humble opinion again, a WP device is a phone first device, everything else is secondary inc apps.

dazza9075 said:
you need to decide what you can do without more.
Personally I don't give too hoots about the apps on any platform which then leave the OS choice its self as the main reason for change, and hence why im on WP7 as well.
If I were you I would consider this, those apps you talk about have alternatives on WP7, so its not like its completely missing, so the question you need to ask yourself is this, is the overall OS and general phone features of WP more important than half a dozen apps that are still available to WP but not quite as youd want?
in my humble opinion again, a WP device is a phone first device, everything else is secondary inc apps.
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Well, I understand the apps arguments. If there isn't an app, I can always use the browser. And I really don't care that I have every Angry Birds edition. But it is important to me that the platform is shown some love. I can't imagine why it is so hard for Yahoo! to release a Fantasy Football App for example. It is much easier to use in an app than in a mobile browser.
As mentioned, I have Verizon's one and only Windows Phone for work, the HTC Trophy. It is very lackluster hardware but I am able to get my WP7 fix. I just don't find myself using it much, mainly because I really don't like carrying two devices (often just forward the number to my personal phone.) I took your advice and looked for good, alternative apps:
PrimeTube: Prime tube seems to work quite well as my YouTube app. The Android YouTube app is pretty good but I was quite surprised with this app as it may surpass the Android App. Nice Work.
NextGen Reader: A passable Google Reader app. Kind of generic looking but it does the job. The small screen of the Trophy doesn't help so I imagine it will look good on a larger phone. The mobile web page for Google Reader isn't a bad option either.
Those are the only two I found. I do enjoy playing Madden 12 from time to time on my Android devices. The YouVersion Bible app is good but it is lacking the LIVE notes option.
My next step is to try out navigation on WP7 to see how is measures up with Google Maps. Going on a trip in a few weeks, so will test it. I will also try merging my Google contacts with my live account to see how I like the cloud services that MS offers.
I am also a long time ZunePass subscriber. I am disappointed at the lack of playlist options for streaming music. It if becomes more like Spotify, Microsoft will have a hit on their hands here.
Again, I want WP to succeed but I also don't want to ditch what I am comfortable with. I have a few months until Surface and WP8 are released. We will see what happens when that time comes.

Hacking possibilities

So after playing with my Surface for 5 days now, it is obvious there is a lot of capability in the back end through the Desktop. II have networked printers, and drives at both home and office going, streaming content etc. It is very capable for what it is, way beyond any other Ipad and Android tablet out there. So it seems to me it is just a matter of time before some XDAer figures out a way to unleash it and possibly load other programs (non-RT) programs some way. We know the official MS word is no, but it seems to me it is a fully capable Win8 machine that just has some goierners on it and limited processing power, just waiting to be cracked.
Am I just dreaming?

I would love to see this happen. The one thing holding me back from purchasing one. I'd love a Windows 8 Pro version tablet at the Surface RT pricing but wouldn't we all...

I dont think rt can run x86 app properly. Because the cpu is not as good as x86 core. I am interested in porting rt to compatiable device such as tergra 2 and 3 pad.
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liu2002 said:
I dont think rt can run x86 app properly. Because the cpu is not as good as x86 core. I am interested in porting rt to compatiable device such as tergra 2 and 3 pad.
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I don't think it's necessarily about the Tegra being "as good" as an x86 - the issue is that you'd need an emulator, or the source for the x86 app which you'd then need to re-compile for ARM. I believe MS made a developer toolkit available that allows simpler conversion from x86 to ARM but it's still up to the app vendors to do it.

In theory, the same code could compile for both x86/64 and ARM (RT), but VS2012 will not allow you to compile an ARM desktop app. There is no legit way to write/compile a desktop app on RT. Its an arbitrary BS limitation put in place by MS. You cannot side load apps, everything must come through the MS store, RT enterprise being an exception... which doesn't help us. And the MS store will only offer Metro apps. MS office shows that's desktop apps are fully possible, albeit recoded/recompiled for ARM, but MS will not allow it. In an ideal world, RT would be a fully supported OS, and the likes of Adobe and others could release desktop apps for RT, but sadly it won't happen.
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Skitals said:
In an ideal world, RT would be a fully supported OS, and the likes of Adobe and others could release desktop apps for RT, but sadly it won't happen.
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Why do you say that?

Because its not allowed, only metro style apps published through the app store are allowed. Even if you compile compatible desktop software, the OS won't run it. Its a closed sandbox.
At best we can hope for a "homebrew" community to compile open source software, and find some hacks to get it running.
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Hello,
I’m a happy owner of the Surface RT and I just wanted to add my 2c.
I think that Metro UI is great for tablet, but lacks apps !
So I cannot understand why Microsoft didn’t include .Net on this platform ! I think the main goal and the first “Homebrew” must be recompilation of Mono for ARM. As this will allow us develop a lot of programs, quickly and using “good” tools (Visual )
I just started to study WinRT and I’m already hitting a lot of blocks (For instance, I cannot find a way to open Shared Socket ! So if any other app listen on 1900 port, I lose my SSDP discovery... )
But I think recompilation of Mono is definitely a way to go ! I think i’ll try it this week-end, if I have some time, but It’s sure I will not be able install on my surface  As for now it seems to be impossible to enter Testing Mode on it.
Jurion

jurion said:
So I cannot understand why Microsoft didn’t include .Net on this platform !
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I think people seem to be missing something here (well, not just here, on other threads/forums.blogs too). MS have essentially (it’s really quite impressive) ported over the entire Windows OS to run on ARM – and this includes all of .NET v4 with supporting libraries/DLLs.
You only have to pop to C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319 on your Surface RT to see – all the same libraries for the same version of .NET a x86 desktop seem to be there - including Linq, SQL, reflection etc.
Now, this could be really great news! I’d bet that it would be entirely possible for standard .NET applications (by standard, I mean programs that only use managed code and nothing legacy) to be reasonably easily recompiled to run on ARM - ideally as easyily as changing a drop-down!
Furthermore, this is all supported in Visual Studio, it’s just locked down a bit - I’ve been able to compile, with VS2012 (and a minor tweak to remove the ARM compile block) a simple command line EXE for ARM (using .NET calls – though only in C++ which is a shame). The problem is, as soon I open it on Surface, I get an error saying the ‘digital certificate’ couldn't be validated – a common issue which has a simple fix documented online. The catch... that the instructions to remove this block don’t work with secure boot enabled, and - at present - we can’t disable this on the Surface (on normal PCs this can be turned off in the bios).
So – the key to all this, is for MS to open it up (not impossible, but who knows if or when) or for someone to get round this secure boot/certificate requirement. I’m sure there’s some smart people on here with abilities to work on, and hopefully succeed in doing this. Even if people aren't able to work a way round this block, I'm hopefully that eventually MS may release some firmware update tools that someone can hack to switch off UEFI secure boot. Or perhaps someone at MS or a partner may leak some file/app/boot that unlocks this for dev/enterprise purposes.
I look forward to it happening!
T

Skitals said:
In theory, the same code could compile for both x86/64 and ARM (RT), but VS2012 will not allow you to compile an ARM desktop app. There is no legit way to write/compile a desktop app on RT. Its an arbitrary BS limitation put in place by MS. You cannot side load apps, everything must come through the MS store, RT enterprise being an exception... which doesn't help us. And the MS store will only offer Metro apps. MS office shows that's desktop apps are fully possible, albeit recoded/recompiled for ARM, but MS will not allow it. In an ideal world, RT would be a fully supported OS, and the likes of Adobe and others could release desktop apps for RT, but sadly it won't happen.
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Everything doesn't have to come through the MS store, you can install applications that you build in Visual Studio 2012 for Windows Store, create an appx package and choose not to publish it in Windows Store. VS2012 then creates an appx package as well as a PowerShell script that you can run on Surface, accept security warning, get the developer's license on the device (it's free) and that's it!

It is fairly obvious why MS does not allow installation of "Desktop" apps on ARM tablets. Otherwise dev's would get lazy and just recompile desktop apps for ARM. The experience on a touch tablet would not be great on (unmodified) Desktop apps, hence Microsoft set this constraint on Windows RT in order to push dev's towards making a proper touch friendly app. The result is of course the lack of apps initially, but in the long run the benefits will be a greater experience as the apps would be optimized for touch.
Sure there are obvious downsides to this strategy, but the decision itself makes a lot of sense from a useability standpoint. You already read the complaints in reviews about "Office" not being Metro-style and unfriendly to touch. However this is naturally a decision due to time constraints, because MS would have also preferred to not include a desktop on RT. Office is the selling point now, to gravitate people towards RT and when there is enough demand, the touch friendly (Metro) apps will flow in eventually

Backflipping said:
I think people seem to be missing something here (well, not just here, on other threads/forums.blogs too). MS have essentially (it’s really quite impressive) ported over the entire Windows OS to run on ARM – and this includes all of .NET v4 with supporting libraries/DLLs.
You only have to pop to C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319 on your Surface RT to see – all the same libraries for the same version of .NET a x86 desktop seem to be there - including Linq, SQL, reflection etc.
Now, this could be really great news! I’d bet that it would be entirely possible for standard .NET applications (by standard, I mean programs that only use managed code and nothing legacy) to be reasonably easily recompiled to run on ARM - ideally as easyily as changing a drop-down!
Furthermore, this is all supported in Visual Studio, it’s just locked down a bit - I’ve been able to compile, with VS2012 (and a minor tweak to remove the ARM compile block) a simple command line EXE for ARM (using .NET calls – though only in C++ which is a shame). The problem is, as soon I open it on Surface, I get an error saying the ‘digital certificate’ couldn't be validated – a common issue which has a simple fix documented online. The catch... that the instructions to remove this block don’t work with secure boot enabled, and - at present - we can’t disable this on the Surface (on normal PCs this can be turned off in the bios).
So – the key to all this, is for MS to open it up (not impossible, but who knows if or when) or for someone to get round this secure boot/certificate requirement. I’m sure there’s some smart people on here with abilities to work on, and hopefully succeed in doing this. Even if people aren't able to work a way round this block, I'm hopefully that eventually MS may release some firmware update tools that someone can hack to switch off UEFI secure boot. Or perhaps someone at MS or a partner may leak some file/app/boot that unlocks this for dev/enterprise purposes.
I look forward to it happening!
T
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Hmmm, sorry my bad, didn't look enougth to find .Net assemblies.
As for open it for MS, may be, maaaay be it's the same scheme which they followed with Windows Phone 7.
No native developpment for 7.0 -- 7.8
But they open it for 8.0
May be they just want to force people developp Metro app to populate the store first.

So where's the best place to get one?
I'm looking into buying one very very soon, I found some on ebay for $585 with the cover, That sounds like a win to me. I wish QVC had it, That'd be lovely.
I'm praying we get a work around for all this, But still If the device isn't made for it, I can't be mad that it doesn't do it, That's like being angry that my car doesn't fly.
But it's such a tease, it worries me that I'll have an entire desktop, Sitting, Obselete, With nothing but Office, which I wont even use.

Can't_Live_Without_My_Evo said:
I'm looking into buying one very very soon, I found some on ebay for $585 with the cover, That sounds like a win to me. I wish QVC had it, That'd be lovely.
I'm praying we get a work around for all this, But still If the device isn't made for it, I can't be mad that it doesn't do it, That's like being angry that my car doesn't fly.
But it's such a tease, it worries me that I'll have an entire desktop, Sitting, Obselete, With nothing but Office, which I wont even use.
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It is made for it. It has the full desktop, and the full desktop Office suite. Its a big tease. The whole "do more" campaign advertises you can "click in" and have full laptop productivity with touchpad and mouse/keyboard. Except the only software to take advantage of it is desktop IE and Office.
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Certain Windows Store apps will not install. Surface doesn't meet minimum requirement

What the hec!!!
Am trying to install Microsoft Solitaire Collection from the Store app. It supports X86 and X64 processors. However I cannot install as the store says "Sorry, this app can't be installed as your PC doesn't meet the minimum system requirements".
What? Can anyone install this? There are a few apps that say this. Shazam also.

The App Market is shared for WIndows 8 and Windows 8 RT. I've come across this too and it is because unlike the Play store, you can see all apps on all devices, even if they're not compiled for ARM.
It would be up to the app designed to recompile for ARM and publish.

Are you trying to install it from the "Your apps" application bar in the store?
That section is not filtered by supported platform.
If I use my surface to search the marketplace, Microsoft solitaire collection doesn't show up. Only ARM compatible applications show up. (You may have noticed that the references to Desktop applications outside the windows store do not appear on the surface either)

Seems pretty straight-forward to me. It says the supported processors for that app are x86 and x64. Your RT device has an ARM processor.

I hope MS bring this our for ARM as I love card games and I know there are other free options but I really fell in love with this one on my desktop.

lumpaywk said:
I hope MS bring this our for ARM as I love card games and I know there are other free options but I really fell in love with this one on my desktop.
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If you read the store description for all of the Microsoft games, they all say "ARM support coming soon."

When you open the store you should only be greeted by apps that work with RT, however if you follow a link from the web (i.e. chrome ) or you open xbox games from the xbox app, then you can access these applications and when trying to install the app, recieve the message you have seen.

jhoff80 said:
If you read the store description for all of the Microsoft games, they all say "ARM support coming soon."
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Top news good spot

[Q] Any hope for Silverlight on Android

I have a Galaxy Note 10.1 WiFi GT-N8013. I would like to be able to watch live television coverage from CNN. Presently, they (CNN and Google) say that their app does not work on this device and they will not advise when, or if, this problem will be resolved.
Looking for an alternative solution, I turned to some apps that still run Flash Player, such as the UC Browser. I thought that I was getting close to getting the CNN website to load within UCB (as it was mimicking a desktop version), until it requested that I install MS Silverlight. Well, so much for that.
It seems that there is no equivalent to running Silverlight on the Android platform. Apparently, some time ago, there was a Moonlight project, but that appears to have come to a permanent halt based upon what I believe to be threats of litigation from M$.
So my question is whether this project may have come back to life in a different format? I can't imagine that I am the only GT-N8013 that has an interest in using the device from time to time to watch current events on CNN (or other live media cable networks). It seems to work fine on My Droid Razr Maxx XT-912, however I assume that it works there because of also being on the LTE network.
Does anyone know what the future holds for getting Silverlight working on Android?

bookbean said:
I have a Galaxy Note 10.1 WiFi GT-N8013. I would like to be able to watch live television coverage from CNN. Presently, they (CNN and Google) say that their app does not work on this device and they will not advise when, or if, this problem will be resolved.
Looking for an alternative solution, I turned to some apps that still run Flash Player, such as the UC Browser. I thought that I was getting close to getting the CNN website to load within UCB (as it was mimicking a desktop version), until it requested that I install MS Silverlight. Well, so much for that.
It seems that there is no equivalent to running Silverlight on the Android platform. Apparently, some time ago, there was a Moonlight project, but that appears to have come to a permanent halt based upon what I believe to be threats of litigation from M$.
So my question is whether this project may have come back to life in a different format? I can't imagine that I am the only GT-N8013 that has an interest in using the device from time to time to watch current events on CNN (or other live media cable networks). It seems to work fine on My Droid Razr Maxx XT-912, however I assume that it works there because of also being on the LTE network.
Does anyone know what the future holds for getting Silverlight working on Android?
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Silverlight is a dead platform for most practical purposes. Even netflix is working to switch from it. I dont think that anyone would bother to build an Android port for it.

It's closed source from Microsoft and mono can give you a try the .net framework but not silvernight.
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8redd said:
Silverlight is a dead platform for most practical purposes. Even netflix is working to switch from it. I dont think that anyone would bother to build an Android port for it.
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That's how I understood it as well. Strange that Amazon just switched over in the past month

ziddey said:
That's how I understood it as well. Strange that Amazon just switched over in the past month
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HTML5 will be the new standard.

so there is no way having silverlight on android? for now? I need to watch some programs on my tablet

sefra3 said:
so there is no way having silverlight on android? for now? I need to watch some programs on my tablet
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Like a workaround - you can use RDP or VNC and use a "normal" computer for opening silverlight pages...

it's a year later, and Microsoft is still reluctant to give an honest answer. However, if you go to their developer web site msdn.com and click on "I build Android apps", they take you to a page that tells you why and how to port your app to Windows 8. "Windows 8 is the fastest-growing mobile OS. Your app belongs here".
In other words, Microsoft considers *Android* to be a dead platform. Silverlight is closed source, so only Microsoft can port it. I think it's safe to say the chances of them changing their minds and porting Silverlight to Android after all, when they're taking such a bath on all Windows 8 platforms, is .... zero.
Is anybody still using Silverlight for web apps in 2013? Maybe this thread is moot.

ehartwell said:
it's a year later, and Microsoft is still reluctant to give an honest answer. However, if you go to their developer web site msdn.com and click on "I build Android apps", they take you to a page that tells you why and how to port your app to Windows 8. "Windows 8 is the fastest-growing mobile OS. Your app belongs here".
In other words, Microsoft considers *Android* to be a dead platform. Silverlight is closed source, so only Microsoft can port it. I think it's safe to say the chances of them changing their minds and porting Silverlight to Android after all, when they're taking such a bath on all Windows 8 platforms, is .... zero.
Is anybody still using Silverlight for web apps in 2013? Maybe this thread is moot.
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I, too, am nneding Silverlight for my tablet. I am in a RN program that makes us test/quiz on a program called ATI that requires Silverlight to be able to answer and read test questions. I wish I had an answer for this. I know that if someone did figure this out that a great bounty would come from it. I would definitely donate.

rayandreas said:
I, too, am needing Silverlight for my tablet. I am in a RN program that makes us test/quiz on a program called ATI that requires Silverlight to be able to answer and read test questions. I wish I had an answer for this. I know that if someone did figure this out that a great bounty would come from it. I would definitely donate.
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acebeace had the best advice. Assuming you have access to a Windows PC, you can run the Silverlight app on the PC but use your tablet as a remote control: go to Google Play and search for "remote desktop". Note that there may be additional challenges if the PC and tablet aren't on the same local network; there are paid apps that handle this better. It's clear that Google is working towards their own version: see Chrome Remote Desktop.
If you don't have access to a Windows desktop, you might be able to find an online browser that supports Silverlight.
Finally, I've never tried this, but Onlive Desktop claims to have an Android app that connects to a virtual PC desktop in the cloud. Their browser was supposed to support Silverlight, but it's not clear if it actually does. Fortunately, there's a free trial.

bookbean said:
I have a Galaxy Note 10.1 WiFi GT-N8013. I would like to be able to watch live television coverage from CNN. Presently, they (CNN and Google) say that their app does not work on this device and they will not advise when, or if, this problem will be resolved.
Looking for an alternative solution, I turned to some apps that still run Flash Player, such as the UC Browser. I thought that I was getting close to getting the CNN website to load within UCB (as it was mimicking a desktop version), until it requested that I install MS Silverlight. Well, so much for that.
It seems that there is no equivalent to running Silverlight on the Android platform. Apparently, some time ago, there was a Moonlight project, but that appears to have come to a permanent halt based upon what I believe to be threats of litigation from M$.
So my question is whether this project may have come back to life in a different format? I can't imagine that I am the only GT-N8013 that has an interest in using the device from time to time to watch current events on CNN (or other live media cable networks). It seems to work fine on My Droid Razr Maxx XT-912, however I assume that it works there because of also being on the LTE network.
Does anyone know what the future holds for getting Silverlight working on Android?
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Did you guys heard about "Moonlight" project?
Source: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1207785

venki5star said:
Did you guys heard about "Moonlight" project?
Source: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1207785
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the more I use this Sony Xperia tablet the more I realise I should have purchased a pc......

Re-compiling Pipelight
Hi,
I have just been reading about a open-source project called pipelight and just thought that this could be re-compiled and used with ARM based devices (such as tablets).
If this is posible then you could have silverlight on tablets, alternatively re-compile moonlight (only problem with moonlight is that there is no DRM support).

Silverlight on android
Dear Medworthy
That gives us hope.
If you now more of this solution let us now.
Regards
Pierre:fingers-crossed:
medworthy said:
Hi,
I have just been reading about a open-source project called pipelight and just thought that this could be re-compiled and used with ARM based devices (such as tablets).
If this is posible then you could have silverlight on tablets, alternatively re-compile moonlight (only problem with moonlight is that there is no DRM support).
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medworthy said:
Hi,
I have just been reading about a open-source project called pipelight and just thought that this could be re-compiled and used with ARM based devices (such as tablets).
If this is posible then you could have silverlight on tablets, alternatively re-compile moonlight (only problem with moonlight is that there is no DRM support).
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amandus88 said:
Dear Medworthy
That gives us hope.
If you now more of this solution let us now.
Regards
Pierre:fingers-crossed:
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Pipelight uses Wine to run Silverlight on Linux based OSes. While there is some work being done to run Wine on Android, the binaries for Silverlight would still need to be rewritten for ARM. These aren't open source, I think it's way too simplistic to think those could be just "compiled" for ARM.
Unfortunately, I think we'll just have to wait until HTML5 completely supports DRM and the content providers make that switch. It's very irritating to see how they've chosen such a biased and proprietary system at the moment.

ehartwell said:
it's a year later, and Microsoft is still reluctant to give an honest answer. However, if you go to their developer web site msdn.com and click on "I build Android apps", they take you to a page that tells you why and how to port your app to Windows 8. "Windows 8 is the fastest-growing mobile OS. Your app belongs here".
In other words, Microsoft considers *Android* to be a dead platform. Silverlight is closed source, so only Microsoft can port it. I think it's safe to say the chances of them changing their minds and porting Silverlight to Android after all, when they're taking such a bath on all Windows 8 platforms, is .... zero.
Is anybody still using Silverlight for web apps in 2013? Maybe this thread is moot.
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I need silverlight on my HTC one for my school timetable :/

Silverlight Android
Not in a position to try this at the moment but pls see:
http://gizmodo.com/5037919/skyfire-...icrosoft-silverlight-plus-100-more-beta-codes
and report back if it works.
Cheers
bookbean said:
I have a Galaxy Note 10.1 WiFi GT-N8013. I would like to be able to watch live television coverage from CNN. Presently, they (CNN and Google) say that their app does not work on this device and they will not advise when, or if, this problem will be resolved.
Looking for an alternative solution, I turned to some apps that still run Flash Player, such as the UC Browser. I thought that I was getting close to getting the CNN website to load within UCB (as it was mimicking a desktop version), until it requested that I install MS Silverlight. Well, so much for that.
It seems that there is no equivalent to running Silverlight on the Android platform. Apparently, some time ago, there was a Moonlight project, but that appears to have come to a permanent halt based upon what I believe to be threats of litigation from M$.
So my question is whether this project may have come back to life in a different format? I can't imagine that I am the only GT-N8013 that has an interest in using the device from time to time to watch current events on CNN (or other live media cable networks). It seems to work fine on My Droid Razr Maxx XT-912, however I assume that it works there because of also being on the LTE network.
Does anyone know what the future holds for getting Silverlight working on Android?
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Silverlight on Android
This has now become a mute subject for me. I have given up on the CNN app in favor of Xfinity's app which works great. Not only can I watch CNN, I can now watch pretty much anything that I get on my TV.

opera
if this help...i use opera-browser(not opera-mini) on my android, because silverlight based sites works...

lorvix said:
if this help...i use opera-browser(not opera-mini) on my android, because silverlight based sites works...
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they dont ~ or well at least sky go etc doesnt work

Surface RT w/ 8.1

Hey everyone. Looking at trying to pickup a Surface RT during the black friday sale. I primarily want to use it for taking notes in class. What do you all think of the original RT with the 8.1 update? Worth getting it, or should I spend my money on something else?
On a side note: It's between a Surface RT (at black friday prices), a chromebook, and the Nvidia Note 7. I can see the pros and cons of all the devices, but a) I am entrenched in google's ecosystem (gmail, google keep, google drive, google music, etc) and b) I am going to school for computer engineering.
So what do you all think?
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It will work great for notes if you get the Type Cover, there is no active pen support. But it's not that great with Google services. You will have a much better experience using Outlook, OneNote och Skydrive with the Surface.
Sorry I'm not much help here, never used a chromebook nor the Nvidia =).

I used my RT for note taking for a few months before moving on to the pro model, and it was a pretty good experience. I would have a notes doc open in reader and copy/paste stuff from it into one note and type additional info in various combinations. If you are interested in using google docs on the RT, that may dissuade you, as it's quite laggy. I had no such issues just using the office software for that sort of thing. For google apps, the only workaround I really had to look for was a google voice app, the rest of what I use was just fine via browser and the built in mail app.
I ended up moving to a Pro due to a few limitations that I ran into:
- inability to run the e-testing software we use on the RT (lockdown browser and a security.exe file)
- desire to do more pen writing for some notes (really just chemical reactions and such, things that don't lend themselves to typing)

If you have a laptop as a backup for any software you need on your course then yeah. Chances are on a computer engineering course it will be useless for anything other than a glorified pen and paper replacement (as would the other 2 choices).

As long as you are ok using Google Apps in a browser only, an RT can work well enough (I can't comment on the rest of your use cases). My employer uses Google Apps for Education as our primary email so I've done it. If a jailbreak is released for RT 8.1 I am curious how well (or not) Outlook RT will work with gmail, especially since I won't be able to run the sync software Windows 7 and previous could (I don't know if it works with Windows 8).

domboy said:
As long as you are ok using Google Apps in a browser only, an RT can work well enough (I can't comment on the rest of your use cases). My employer uses Google Apps for Education as our primary email so I've done it. If a jailbreak is released for RT 8.1 I am curious how well (or not) Outlook RT will work with gmail, especially since I won't be able to run the sync software Windows 7 and previous could (I don't know if it works with Windows 8).
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You have always been able to add IMAP accounts in outlook and GMail offers full IMAP support.
MS Office can save in open document formats (ODT instead of doc/docx etc). Google docs also use these formats under the hood or can at least attempt (albeit poorly) to import .doc and .docx etc anyway. Could certainly download your file, open it in MS Office, save it in open office formats, re-upload to google drive. In my experience MS Word outputting to ODT works better than google docs or libre office importing DOC and DOCX

SixSixSevenSeven said:
If you have a laptop as a backup for any software you need on your course then yeah. Chances are on a computer engineering course it will be useless for anything other than a glorified pen and paper replacement (as would the other 2 choices).
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My original plan was chrome book + chrome remote desktop to my gaming PC at home, but the surface and tegra note 7 wouldn't provide that. Then again, the surface is a bit stronger in the notes department and portability, and the tegra note would excel at math notes (its a math and physics heavy degree)
Unfortunately, my budget is very limiting, and I cannot get multiple devices. I have an old netbook loaded with my sata2 ssd, and mint Linux right now, but the performance is meh, and the resolution is abysmal...
My desktop should suffice for specialized software, but I am really needing a device for notes (I write slow, but type fast, at least with a real keyboard).
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bluefalcon13 said:
My original plan was chrome book + chrome remote desktop to my gaming PC at home, but the surface and tegra note 7 wouldn't provide that. Then again, the surface is a bit stronger in the notes department and portability, and the tegra note would excel at math notes (its a math and physics heavy degree)
Unfortunately, my budget is very limiting, and I cannot get multiple devices. I have an old netbook loaded with my sata2 ssd, and mint Linux right now, but the performance is meh, and the resolution is abysmal...
My desktop should suffice for specialized software, but I am really needing a device for notes (I write slow, but type fast, at least with a real keyboard).
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Surface would do remote desktop just fine. Windows RT being a near straight port of windows 8 to ARM (minus the desktop lockdown) does include RDP support which is the default windows remote desktop software, although there are 3rd party RDP servers for OSX and linux too. RDP is very effective.
You also have VNC as an alternative to RDP. There are VNC clients and servers for most major platforms including android and jailbroken windows RT devices (this does limit to windows RT 8.0, although looks like the 8.1 jailbreak isnt far off).
Although in all honesty. I wouldnt rely on remote desktop access.
Will you be returning home each day and can you also use the machines at university? You may be able to get away without bringing your own full x86 machine. Otherwise I would seriously be considering a laptop or x86 windows tablet. There is the ASUS T100 for £350 which is a windows 8.1 10" tablet with a proper keyboard docking option too and using intel bay trail, but at £350 you can get a laptop with a bigger screen (also important) which is morepowerful too.
There are people on my course that bring surface RT's (and a few pro's too) and take notes in lectures, but they all end up fighting for lab computers the rest of the time and I dont think you can rely on remote desktop always being available or having a low enough latency, not to mention some university or college firewalls blocking it.