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Tablet Suggestion for My Use

I was looking at the Samsung 10.1" tablet, looks nice. I'm looking to replace my netbook with a tablet. I'm currently running Windows 7.
My general needs are:
Office
Expression Web
Photoshop
Secure CRT (ssh client, commercial)
Ring Central (voIP software)
Any way to run Windows programs within Android? Any suggested tablet stand and external keyboard, portable enough to carry with you in the tablet case and bring to the bookstore/coffee shop?
Thanks

AFAIK there's no way to run windows apps on android. For what you have listed there I would recommend and Asus Transformer with keyboard dock and then some kind of remote control software. For speed you can't beat splashtop, but logmein is more fleshed out/feature-full.
At least this is what I do. I use google docs for any native creation of documents that I do and when I absolutely must use office, I remote to a windows PC.
I haven't used any ssh clients for android, though I see there are many on the market.
Hope that helps,
-Fiend

[Q] getting MS office installed on the eee pad transformer

Hi everyone,
I would like to get an eee pad transformer. However, with my previous laptop, I bought a legal version of MS office 2010, and would be a shame to loose it now.
I could find the files to create a dual boot with ubuntu on that device.
I found on a few topics that qemo could help emulate a x86 system, even on an ARM tablet.
Then I read that wine could enable installing MS designed softwares on Ubuntu.
Do you think following the 3 steps above could let me install Office 2010 on a eee pad transformer?
This would be critical for me to finally decide to buy it.
Thanks a lot for your help
Chris

I doubt it very much, there is a moderately working version of Ubuntu that moderately runs on the TF - but installing WINE and running MS Office, not a hope.
There are a few different versions of Android Office's you can install - none are anything like MS office though

Amazon, today (just a few more hours) has Documents To Go, free. I have been using it for a long while and it is very compatible with Word, Excel and Powerpoint. If that helps.

Thanks for your quick and honest answer. That sounds like a very bad news for me.
Unfortunately I can't go for Android designed office as for business purpose, I often develop some VBA programs, and I strongly doubt those are supported and possibe to edit under those softwares...
Thing is I am really looking for a good Android tablet (avoid Windows at all costs) on which I could use this only MS soft... Any solution could work for me (dual booting, emulation...)
Any idea then?

To be honest I don't think the processors they put in tablets are going to do a great job running a desktop OS (such as ubuntu) AND running emulation on top of it. Wine runs pretty clunky and buggy at best on a desktop processor. I can't imagine it's going to be a wonderful experience on a tablet, especially running Office 2010 or for developing VBA programs. Perhaps in the upcoming iteration of processors you might be able to but we won't know until they're out. Even then, it will probably still be fairly slow and buggy.

Ok so as a conclusion I should rather buy a windows tablet and emulate honeycomb using Android SDK.
Does it give the same experiance as an android tablet?
Any tablet to advise me?

There are rumors that the transformer 2 (Prime) will be able to run Windows 8
But it is only a rumor at this stage, and would be ARM based not x86 anyway
There are a few Windows 7 tablets if you Google for such, but from the video reviews I have seen they are slow and laggy at best
Maybe a touchscreen laptop / netbook would be more suited for your needs
Then when Windows 8 is released you will have the tiled Metro touch interface that is designed for touch.
You can get some touchscreen notebooks that allow swiveling of the screen, so it basically closes with the screen side facing up, giving the feeling of a tablet

Where Polaris Office fails to deliever what you need, I suggest you just switch to a Windows box for MS or Libre Office as needed. You can also use SplashTop (better than VNC IMHO) via MyNet and access your PC from your TF, that should work.
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This last solution gives me hope!! Splashtop could actually solve my issue.
Thanks a lot for your help!

As long as you don't need to track the mouse cursor's movements, SplashTop is very handy but can take getting used to. My own use of it, is mostly web surfing and video that requires a Wintel (e.g. XFinity).
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I figured out I could connect to a NAS in my company. It is using Windows server 2008. Does it work with splashtop?

chris-france said:
I figured out I could connect to a NAS in my company. It is using Windows server 2008. Does it work with splashtop?
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Just use 2x RDP client its freeand works great for remotedesktop

Some hope for you...
Microsoft is in the process of making their Windows 8 ARM compatible, which is the architecture "mobile" gadgets run on. I will probably find a way to run Windows/ Ice Cream Sandwich dual boot, similar to what I've done in the past on laptops. Windows is your only chance of running Office. That said, the functionality offered by Google Docs, Documents To Go, and other "Lite" Office apps should provide plenty of functionality for you. This is a tablet, not a laptop. It's a great product in it's class, but not a PC replacement. Asus makes the Eee Slate EP121 (played with one, very cool!) if you want a Windows Tablet, but for $1000, it's a product without much demand. Hope this helps.

Hacking possibilities

So after playing with my Surface for 5 days now, it is obvious there is a lot of capability in the back end through the Desktop. II have networked printers, and drives at both home and office going, streaming content etc. It is very capable for what it is, way beyond any other Ipad and Android tablet out there. So it seems to me it is just a matter of time before some XDAer figures out a way to unleash it and possibly load other programs (non-RT) programs some way. We know the official MS word is no, but it seems to me it is a fully capable Win8 machine that just has some goierners on it and limited processing power, just waiting to be cracked.
Am I just dreaming?

I would love to see this happen. The one thing holding me back from purchasing one. I'd love a Windows 8 Pro version tablet at the Surface RT pricing but wouldn't we all...

I dont think rt can run x86 app properly. Because the cpu is not as good as x86 core. I am interested in porting rt to compatiable device such as tergra 2 and 3 pad.
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liu2002 said:
I dont think rt can run x86 app properly. Because the cpu is not as good as x86 core. I am interested in porting rt to compatiable device such as tergra 2 and 3 pad.
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I don't think it's necessarily about the Tegra being "as good" as an x86 - the issue is that you'd need an emulator, or the source for the x86 app which you'd then need to re-compile for ARM. I believe MS made a developer toolkit available that allows simpler conversion from x86 to ARM but it's still up to the app vendors to do it.

In theory, the same code could compile for both x86/64 and ARM (RT), but VS2012 will not allow you to compile an ARM desktop app. There is no legit way to write/compile a desktop app on RT. Its an arbitrary BS limitation put in place by MS. You cannot side load apps, everything must come through the MS store, RT enterprise being an exception... which doesn't help us. And the MS store will only offer Metro apps. MS office shows that's desktop apps are fully possible, albeit recoded/recompiled for ARM, but MS will not allow it. In an ideal world, RT would be a fully supported OS, and the likes of Adobe and others could release desktop apps for RT, but sadly it won't happen.
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In an ideal world, RT would be a fully supported OS, and the likes of Adobe and others could release desktop apps for RT, but sadly it won't happen.
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Why do you say that?

Because its not allowed, only metro style apps published through the app store are allowed. Even if you compile compatible desktop software, the OS won't run it. Its a closed sandbox.
At best we can hope for a "homebrew" community to compile open source software, and find some hacks to get it running.
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Hello,
I’m a happy owner of the Surface RT and I just wanted to add my 2c.
I think that Metro UI is great for tablet, but lacks apps !
So I cannot understand why Microsoft didn’t include .Net on this platform ! I think the main goal and the first “Homebrew” must be recompilation of Mono for ARM. As this will allow us develop a lot of programs, quickly and using “good” tools (Visual )
I just started to study WinRT and I’m already hitting a lot of blocks (For instance, I cannot find a way to open Shared Socket ! So if any other app listen on 1900 port, I lose my SSDP discovery... )
But I think recompilation of Mono is definitely a way to go ! I think i’ll try it this week-end, if I have some time, but It’s sure I will not be able install on my surface  As for now it seems to be impossible to enter Testing Mode on it.
Jurion

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So I cannot understand why Microsoft didn’t include .Net on this platform !
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I think people seem to be missing something here (well, not just here, on other threads/forums.blogs too). MS have essentially (it’s really quite impressive) ported over the entire Windows OS to run on ARM – and this includes all of .NET v4 with supporting libraries/DLLs.
You only have to pop to C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319 on your Surface RT to see – all the same libraries for the same version of .NET a x86 desktop seem to be there - including Linq, SQL, reflection etc.
Now, this could be really great news! I’d bet that it would be entirely possible for standard .NET applications (by standard, I mean programs that only use managed code and nothing legacy) to be reasonably easily recompiled to run on ARM - ideally as easyily as changing a drop-down!
Furthermore, this is all supported in Visual Studio, it’s just locked down a bit - I’ve been able to compile, with VS2012 (and a minor tweak to remove the ARM compile block) a simple command line EXE for ARM (using .NET calls – though only in C++ which is a shame). The problem is, as soon I open it on Surface, I get an error saying the ‘digital certificate’ couldn't be validated – a common issue which has a simple fix documented online. The catch... that the instructions to remove this block don’t work with secure boot enabled, and - at present - we can’t disable this on the Surface (on normal PCs this can be turned off in the bios).
So – the key to all this, is for MS to open it up (not impossible, but who knows if or when) or for someone to get round this secure boot/certificate requirement. I’m sure there’s some smart people on here with abilities to work on, and hopefully succeed in doing this. Even if people aren't able to work a way round this block, I'm hopefully that eventually MS may release some firmware update tools that someone can hack to switch off UEFI secure boot. Or perhaps someone at MS or a partner may leak some file/app/boot that unlocks this for dev/enterprise purposes.
I look forward to it happening!
T

Skitals said:
In theory, the same code could compile for both x86/64 and ARM (RT), but VS2012 will not allow you to compile an ARM desktop app. There is no legit way to write/compile a desktop app on RT. Its an arbitrary BS limitation put in place by MS. You cannot side load apps, everything must come through the MS store, RT enterprise being an exception... which doesn't help us. And the MS store will only offer Metro apps. MS office shows that's desktop apps are fully possible, albeit recoded/recompiled for ARM, but MS will not allow it. In an ideal world, RT would be a fully supported OS, and the likes of Adobe and others could release desktop apps for RT, but sadly it won't happen.
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Everything doesn't have to come through the MS store, you can install applications that you build in Visual Studio 2012 for Windows Store, create an appx package and choose not to publish it in Windows Store. VS2012 then creates an appx package as well as a PowerShell script that you can run on Surface, accept security warning, get the developer's license on the device (it's free) and that's it!

It is fairly obvious why MS does not allow installation of "Desktop" apps on ARM tablets. Otherwise dev's would get lazy and just recompile desktop apps for ARM. The experience on a touch tablet would not be great on (unmodified) Desktop apps, hence Microsoft set this constraint on Windows RT in order to push dev's towards making a proper touch friendly app. The result is of course the lack of apps initially, but in the long run the benefits will be a greater experience as the apps would be optimized for touch.
Sure there are obvious downsides to this strategy, but the decision itself makes a lot of sense from a useability standpoint. You already read the complaints in reviews about "Office" not being Metro-style and unfriendly to touch. However this is naturally a decision due to time constraints, because MS would have also preferred to not include a desktop on RT. Office is the selling point now, to gravitate people towards RT and when there is enough demand, the touch friendly (Metro) apps will flow in eventually

Backflipping said:
I think people seem to be missing something here (well, not just here, on other threads/forums.blogs too). MS have essentially (it’s really quite impressive) ported over the entire Windows OS to run on ARM – and this includes all of .NET v4 with supporting libraries/DLLs.
You only have to pop to C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319 on your Surface RT to see – all the same libraries for the same version of .NET a x86 desktop seem to be there - including Linq, SQL, reflection etc.
Now, this could be really great news! I’d bet that it would be entirely possible for standard .NET applications (by standard, I mean programs that only use managed code and nothing legacy) to be reasonably easily recompiled to run on ARM - ideally as easyily as changing a drop-down!
Furthermore, this is all supported in Visual Studio, it’s just locked down a bit - I’ve been able to compile, with VS2012 (and a minor tweak to remove the ARM compile block) a simple command line EXE for ARM (using .NET calls – though only in C++ which is a shame). The problem is, as soon I open it on Surface, I get an error saying the ‘digital certificate’ couldn't be validated – a common issue which has a simple fix documented online. The catch... that the instructions to remove this block don’t work with secure boot enabled, and - at present - we can’t disable this on the Surface (on normal PCs this can be turned off in the bios).
So – the key to all this, is for MS to open it up (not impossible, but who knows if or when) or for someone to get round this secure boot/certificate requirement. I’m sure there’s some smart people on here with abilities to work on, and hopefully succeed in doing this. Even if people aren't able to work a way round this block, I'm hopefully that eventually MS may release some firmware update tools that someone can hack to switch off UEFI secure boot. Or perhaps someone at MS or a partner may leak some file/app/boot that unlocks this for dev/enterprise purposes.
I look forward to it happening!
T
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Hmmm, sorry my bad, didn't look enougth to find .Net assemblies.
As for open it for MS, may be, maaaay be it's the same scheme which they followed with Windows Phone 7.
No native developpment for 7.0 -- 7.8
But they open it for 8.0
May be they just want to force people developp Metro app to populate the store first.

So where's the best place to get one?
I'm looking into buying one very very soon, I found some on ebay for $585 with the cover, That sounds like a win to me. I wish QVC had it, That'd be lovely.
I'm praying we get a work around for all this, But still If the device isn't made for it, I can't be mad that it doesn't do it, That's like being angry that my car doesn't fly.
But it's such a tease, it worries me that I'll have an entire desktop, Sitting, Obselete, With nothing but Office, which I wont even use.

Can't_Live_Without_My_Evo said:
I'm looking into buying one very very soon, I found some on ebay for $585 with the cover, That sounds like a win to me. I wish QVC had it, That'd be lovely.
I'm praying we get a work around for all this, But still If the device isn't made for it, I can't be mad that it doesn't do it, That's like being angry that my car doesn't fly.
But it's such a tease, it worries me that I'll have an entire desktop, Sitting, Obselete, With nothing but Office, which I wont even use.
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It is made for it. It has the full desktop, and the full desktop Office suite. Its a big tease. The whole "do more" campaign advertises you can "click in" and have full laptop productivity with touchpad and mouse/keyboard. Except the only software to take advantage of it is desktop IE and Office.
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Decisions Decisions...RT vs Pro - Please assist

Hey Guys,
I am thinking about purchasing a Surface, but not sure which to go with. I would prefer the 64GB one but not sure if I should go RT or Pro.
What are the main differences between the RT and the Pro? Why go Pro and not RT?
Please help me out guys

Its a very blunt difference.
The Surface RT uses an ARM processor. The Surface Pro uses an x86 processor.
As a result of that the Surface RT uses Windows RT which is not the same as Windows 8. Windows RT only runs on ARM processors and will not run software from previous versions of windows. All of your existing windows software will no longer work on the RT. RT can only install software downloaded from microsoft app store OR there is a jailbreak on these very forums allowing you to download software specifically ported for windows RT. Note, it must be specifically ported and there is no way of taking a DVD of software you already own and converting it for windows RT, basically if its not a piece of open source software then there is a 0% chance of getting it on your RT, if it is open source software then *eventually* you might be able to have a port but right now there are hurdles we need to get over first. Windows RT does come preinstalled with microsoft office though (although some macro's and extra features are missing). Internet explorer is the only web browser on it right now but does work in both metro and desktop mode. Someone is working on chromium (googles open source version of google chrome) but that has alot of problems that need solving yet. There is an x86 emulator but its too slow to be used on anything but software from the 90's maybe.
Regular versions of windows (including windows 8) can only run on an x86 processor (such as almost anything made by intel or AMD). The Surface Pro does have this and comes pre installed with Windows 8 Pro accordingly. As a result all existing windows software that you may own will run on the Surface Pro. Downsides are that the battery life is significantly impacted (Toms hardware recorded over 7 hours on the RT but only 5 on the Pro), the weight is increased, fans are needed to cool the intel core i5 chip empowering the Pro so you have noise from them and it costs about twice as much as the RT. The pro also gets a fancy wacom stylus.
If your just web browsing and can live with only using the microsoft store and the limited pool of software available via the jailbreak (read in the relevant threads for more info) then go for the RT as its cheaper.
But if you do need full compatibility with previous windows software you own then RT will just annoy you, you'll have to splash out more cash sadly.
One other thing. The surface RT and the surface Pro are not the only windows tablets on the market. Windows RT tablet choice is a little limited (and out of the bunch then either the Surface RT or the Asus Vivotab RT are the best in my opinion) but there are plenty of full windows 8 tablets. Some of the other full windows 8 tablets use an intel atom processor instead of an intel core i3/i5/i7. The atom processor powered tablets often manage to ditch the fans featured in the core i series devices, boost the battery life to be competitive with ARM/WindowsRT devices, reduce weight inline with ARM tablets and most importantly reduces cost to be more inline with ARM devices. Infact thats the most annoying thing about current Windows RT on ARM devices, there is very little reason to buy them when in the same form factor, cost, weight and battery life you can have a tablet running full Windows 8 on the intel atom which is an x86 chip. Downside to the intel atom compared to the core i3/i5/i7 powered devices is processing power. They are not very powerful. The core i3/i5/i7 could possibly be used for some light 3d gaming but the atom will probably only cope with 2d games and not so much in the way of 3d (although that said, my friend plays minecraft on a previous gen lower clock speed intel atom quite happily and according to all benchmarks the intel atoms are more powerful than my current laptop which also copes with minecraft).

64GB Pro is a good compromise. It allows you to get rid of your tablet and your laptop and go for an all in 1 solution that can later be expanded via SD card to add additional 128 GB
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can later be expanded via SD card to add additional 128 GB
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via microSD not SD. Max size microSD available on the market right now is 64gb not 128.

Just go with the 64GB model Pro. You can always just add a MicroSD card for an extra 64 GB of space for movies, pics, etc..
The RT model will only use the RT software and the Pro will also use any PC software. No brainer for my choice.

Depends on what you need and want. The RT Imo blows the hell out of every other tablet on the market. The Pro is a desktop replacement. I went with the RT because I needed all day battery life, and have a pretty powerful desktop at home for gaming/encoding and most apps are available for the RT that use. Honestly the pro to rt compares are pretty pointless, it's like comparing an ipad with a mac book air (with way worse battery) and talking about the ipad like it's a POS because the air can do more. You also need to look at the Os's, Ipad and Android tablets are basically big phones honestly. Most android apps for tablets are phone apps just scaled to be huge. Windows RT is a watered down full OS which means printing is easy easier, full access to file system like you're used to, and a full office suite where you can actually be productive.
So long story short, do you NEED to run x86 apps on your tablet, is it your only PC, and do you not mind 3-4 hour battery? Then stick with the pro. If you want a kick ass tablet, RT is where it's at IMO.
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If you're only going to be doing regular tablet stuff, like browsing, watching videos/movies etc, but still feel like you need a full windows 8 experience, you should check out the Asus Vivotab smart. It uses a dual core Intel atom x86 processor clocked at around 1.8 ghz, had 64 gb storage, nfc, 10.1 inch screen with optional Bluetooth keyboard. Best of all, it only costs $499 (excluding the keyboard) and has 8.5 hours of battery life on regular use and 7 hours on heavy use. I checked out a couple of reviews (engadget and cnet) and both were very positive. The surface pro is geared towards 'prosumers' who create as well as consume and so require the processing power of an i5. But for the money, the vivotab is the best windows 8 tablet...... IN THE WORLD! (Jeremy Clarkson voice)
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RT is arguably more secure. Battery life is better. Cheaper. Very close to the full Windows experience compared to other popular tablets. Mail app is crappy. Can get sluggish like a netbook depending on how you use it. All plug-ins and drivers aren't compatible. So you couldn't root your android device with a RT for example or install a MMO you like.
Pro is a much faster full Windows experience with it's i5 and SSD and can do nearly everything your desktop/laptop can do but it's ports and screen size are limited. It has nifty pen input. Scaling issues. Its GPU is weak for games. Do you need a powerful computer that's mobile or a companion device that lasts most of the day? Basically what it comes down to.

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Best of all, it only costs $499 (excluding the keyboard)
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Thats what I like about the atom powered devices. Here in the UK I can only find the Surface RT on sale for £399.99 without keyboard. I can only find the ASUS VivoTab Smart on sale for £399.99 without keyboard. Hmm. Battery life is similar. OS feels equally responsive on both devices for Microsoft Store apps. Cost the same. Hopefully we'll see RT devices dropping in price soon. Hardware wise they are hardly different from existing android devices which somehow manage to be far cheaper....
Personally I am saving some money aside for the ASUS VivoTab. The 11" model with a wacom stylus, gorilla glass and a transformer style keyboard dock rather than the Smart (smart keyboard is instead just a bluetooth keyboard which clips into a wallet/case for the tablet, case can also double as a stand).

Asus?
Ryno_666 said:
64GB Pro is a good compromise. It allows you to get rid of your tablet and your laptop and go for an all in 1 solution that can later be expanded via SD card to add additional 128 GB
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I purchased an RT device and felt **** blocked by the ARM architecture, the whole OS is right there, but you can't do anything with it. I waited till the Surface Pro released with plans to buy one, but the battery life sucks. I ended up getting a VivoTab T810C and the dock, then upgraded to Windows 8 Pro to join a domain and it has been perfect. Other than the low res screen (720p, would love to have seen a 1080p option) and occasional lag due to lower power CPU than I'm used to (My old daily driver had a quad core i7, 8gb of ddr3 1333, and a SSD, so a real speed demon) I love this thing. The dock gives an extra 10 or so hours of use plus 2 extra USB ports. Using an adapter to get full sized HDMI, it can run an external monitor. I'd love to see a desktop dock with ethernet and two full sized display outputs, but I'm assuming the dock port doesn't have enough bandwidth.

RT!!!
Go RT, it comes with office, which is at least $100 otherwise. Battery life is better, lighter, etc. I have the RT and love it! Plus its way cheaper, and you can use the microsd. Definitely go RT if you don't absolutely NEED any x86 programs. Plus, no viruses! (which you shouldn't get anyway unless you are on lame sites ?

I bought the Pro and took it back for the RT.
The Pro's battery life was too short for me and the tablet was quite warm while using it.
I had Lightroom installed and it ran quite well. Storage was an issue though so I decided to use Lightroom on my desktop instead and use the RT for the other tasks.
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My main question is whether or not the RT connects to ad-hoc WiFi like from WMWifiRouter or USB tether? That I think is the only thing keeping me from jumping laptop ship and also ditching my TouchPad.

It runs Windows. Pretty much anything you can do in Windows 8 other than run desktop x86 apps (and even that's being worked on!) can be done in RT. This includes not only connecting to ad-hoc networks, but creating them, bridging them, and (I think; haven't tried yet) even Internet Connection Sharing through them, if you connect it to another network (for example, via a USB Ethernet adapter).

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It runs Windows. Pretty much anything you can do in Windows 8 other than run desktop x86 apps (and even that's being worked on!) can be done in RT. This includes not only connecting to ad-hoc networks, but creating them, bridging them, and (I think; haven't tried yet) even Internet Connection Sharing through them, if you connect it to another network (for example, via a USB Ethernet adapter).
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I was hoping so, but you never know what some will do to lock their stuff down. All of the WInMo phones are/were capable of the same thing yet we had to hack that in.
Thanks for the info, youve pretty much pushed me the last bit, now i need to go play with one to be sure.
Oh, does anyone know if on Office 2013 Outlook still works like 2007/2010 with POP3? Does 2013 come with Outlook? If not, can i somehow install an older version or setup my email like a cell phone client? I use the 'keep on server for 1 day' feature to synch my phone and computer which auto cleans out my Inbox on my phone. I will not use IMAP so please dont try to convince me.

Office 2013 comes with Outlook in the same editions that Office 2010 or 2007 did. Office RT (the Windows RT port of Office 2013) does not come with Outlook.
Outlook 2013 can use POP3 "correctly" (in quotes because there's no correct way to use a protocol that obsolete and poorly designed) in the same manner as previous versions, yes.
Outlook RT has not yet been released, and may never be. If it is, it will probably cost some money but will almost certainly support POP3.
The default "Windows Mail" (in quotes because it's a travesty compared to the Vista-builtin program of the same name) client on Win8 and Windows RT actually does act as a mobile client, not a desktop one; this can be useful in some situations, but is more often a hassle. It does not (currently) support POP3 and may never.
Out of morbid curiosity, what's your beef with IMAP? It's not an ideal protocol, but it beats POP3 hands-down for a multi-device scenario (things like keeping track between devices of what has and has not been read, access mail sent from one device while on another one, delete from one device and optionally have it removed from all).

My "beef" is for one, its slow and clunky and i keep all my emails on my main PC in one .pst file, which is not my server. Keeping the emails on the server for one day allows me to synch Todays emails only on any phone/device i want and it works flawlessly. I also dont have to manually delete or scroll through a million emails on my phone. I also have multiple accounts which go to Outlook but only 3 that go to my phone and i dont want all of them on my phone.
Basically, it works for me and no one can convince me otherwise
In comparison to your "obsolete" comment the VA Hospital network uses a program built in COBOL and BASIC back in the 70's, yet they still run it today because it still works and is quite solid and havent been able to come up with anything that beats it. So whats wrong with using something that works?

Have you actually looked at the wire traffic for POP3? It's very inefficient. Not sure where you got the idea that IMAP was slow or clunky by comparison. Granted, if you for some reason *really* don't want to store your email on the server, then POP3 works fine (you can use IMAP the same way, but you lose most of its advantages if you do so). Of course, you're hosed if anything ever happens to that single PST file on that single hard drive, so hopefully you make backups regularly (everybody should, anyhow)...
Your phone (or any other half-decent IMAP client) has options to only sync the most recent X number of emails. "... manually delete or scroll through a million emails on my phone..." shows that you've clearly never even looked at an IMAP client closely, much less tried to use one. I set most of my accounts to sync the last two weeks. Oh, that's another thing: why do you mention that you only sync three of your accounts on the phone as though that makes POP3 better? That's actually a downside of POP3, because you'll receive everything in those accounts, with no filtering. With IMAP, you could not only choose which accounts to sync, but which folders *in* those accounts. IMAP lets you automatically (for example) filter out spam from the inbox to another folder (possibly trash), and you'll never see it on the phone at all. Also, with IMAP, you can flag items on your PC for later reading on your phone (or vice versa). Your phone should offer the ability to filter by unread messages, which means that even if you get a lot of mail you can have your phone only show you the ones that you didn't already look at on the PC (with no searching needed on your part at all).
Why compare a network protocol to a hospital mainframe, when there's such a much more obvious apples-to-apples comparison available? Speaking of which, why the heck are you using HTTP and HTML? It's just terribly "slow and clunky" compared to Gopher! Think of all the bandwidth you're wasting with those headers and those markup tags and those images! Yes, sometimes we still use old things. ASCII, for example, is 50+ years old. Of course, so are B&W CRT analogue TVs and vacuum tubes, but I bet you don't still use either of those, either...
Meh, if you're still unconvinced, you're being willfully ignorant at this point, so carry on if you wish. Don't complain when you can't find any stores that still sell buggy whips, though. The world is moving on, and rightly so.

You are hilarious. Just quit derailing the thread. Thanks for pointedly answering my 2 questions though.

GoodDayToDie said:
Have you actually looked at the wire traffic for POP3? It's very inefficient. Not sure where you got the idea that IMAP was slow or clunky by comparison. Granted, if you for some reason *really* don't want to store your email on the server, then POP3 works fine (you can use IMAP the same way, but you lose most of its advantages if you do so). Of course, you're hosed if anything ever happens to that single PST file on that single hard drive, so hopefully you make backups regularly (everybody should, anyhow)...
Your phone (or any other half-decent IMAP client) has options to only sync the most recent X number of emails. "... manually delete or scroll through a million emails on my phone..." shows that you've clearly never even looked at an IMAP client closely, much less tried to use one. I set most of my accounts to sync the last two weeks. Oh, that's another thing: why do you mention that you only sync three of your accounts on the phone as though that makes POP3 better? That's actually a downside of POP3, because you'll receive everything in those accounts, with no filtering. With IMAP, you could not only choose which accounts to sync, but which folders *in* those accounts. IMAP lets you automatically (for example) filter out spam from the inbox to another folder (possibly trash), and you'll never see it on the phone at all. Also, with IMAP, you can flag items on your PC for later reading on your phone (or vice versa). Your phone should offer the ability to filter by unread messages, which means that even if you get a lot of mail you can have your phone only show you the ones that you didn't already look at on the PC (with no searching needed on your part at all).
Why compare a network protocol to a hospital mainframe, when there's such a much more obvious apples-to-apples comparison available? Speaking of which, why the heck are you using HTTP and HTML? It's just terribly "slow and clunky" compared to Gopher! Think of all the bandwidth you're wasting with those headers and those markup tags and those images! Yes, sometimes we still use old things. ASCII, for example, is 50+ years old. Of course, so are B&W CRT analogue TVs and vacuum tubes, but I bet you don't still use either of those, either...
Meh, if you're still unconvinced, you're being willfully ignorant at this point, so carry on if you wish. Don't complain when you can't find any stores that still sell buggy whips, though. The world is moving on, and rightly so.
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Maybe because not every email provider has IMAP and the Surface RT should be about flexibility. . . I certainly am not going to change my email provider of 5 years because RT can't handle it.

Windows RT - re: Microsoft Leave Us Alone

First off, it is silly that I cannot post a reply straight into the thread, and have to create a new thread in an unrelated area of the forums, as I am a new user (or have less than 10 posts).
Ok, as regards the Windows RT and lock down of the Desktop Applications development, how do the internal programs get past this block? As per many other comments it would appear that Windows RT is a recompilation of Windows 8 and has many like for like .dll's, etc. If the Office 2013 suite can run under the desktop, is it because Microsoft has signed the app with a certificate that is not available to other developers? Does this mean that under the previous EU ruling they are breaching some law in that they are using resources to give themselves an advantage that other developers cannot take advantage of?
I think the only reason they have locked down Windows RT like this is so that this cheap OS does not eat into their regular Windows 8 sales. Certainly I bought a Windows RT device because it is more compatible with my work habits (due to Office 2013) than the Android and iPads I have used in the past. If I could easily use tools like PuTTY, then there would be little reason for me to use a normal laptop or other device.
I doubt Microsoft really watches these discussions in any serious way, but one of the key reasons I chose Windows RT over Android and iPad is because when I need the flexibility of many windows open at the same time and side by side I can do that, but when I want the uncluttered quick environment then New UI does that as well.
Samsung, with Android, is starting to allow a couple apps together, but try to run an Excel Spreadsheet and read your banking web site at the same time to transpose the figures into your budgeting file, and iPad/Android are tedious but Windows RT is a breeze, it is what Windows does best. Microsoft should understand that apart from everything else they do, they provide an OS and should let developers get the most out of that OS, just like Android and iPad developers can push those OS's.

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What's more awesome is that new users can't post outside links either. This might be of interest to you www[dot]makeuseof[dot]com/tag/how-to-jailbreak-your-windows-rt-device-and-run-unapproved-desktop-software/

Thanks for the link
My post came as a result of researching the Jail Break idea, I had not seen that page yet. I downloaded the patch and it worked very well. Pity it does not detail why the program goes to the internet the first time it is run, but I assume it is to get the certificate?
Seems like most posters are really happy to have PuTTY working (which is exactly what I wanted). Is it hard to create a New UI App?, maybe someone just needs to compile PuTTY as a New UI app as a terminal emulator should be pretty straight forward.
While I understand that new Intel chips are just around the corner, Surface RT is only $400.00 (64Gb, Touch keyboard) so pretty cheap, so being able to sit on the couch and browse emails, internet and also manage my Linux boxes is really good.
I can do the same thing on my Android TAB, but it is tedious changing screens all the time. New UI has the same problem, always flicking between all the programs. This is what Windows does best, so don't understand why MS would take away from that tried and true model, except they are probably trying to protect their full Windows 8 investment. Instead what they will find is the Windows RT dies a quick death and that is a wasted investment (if that happens they should have just made a New UI only version and got Office to work within that environment if Office is the main reason for the Desktop in Windows RT).