The exciting features of the Nexus 4 just keep on coming. It seems it will support a technology called SlimPort which allows you to use the micro USB to connect the phone to a second display via HDMI, DVI, VGA and DisplayPort.
The only connector available at present is for HDMI, which also charges the device while connected. Other connectors are to be released in the future.
Info from Engadget.
EDIT: New review from AnandTech. See below:
In my Nexus 4 review, I noted that the device was the first shipping handset to include support for SlimPort via an Analogix ANX7808 SlimPort transmitter. When I wrote that review it wasn't immediately clear what advantages SlimPort offered over MHL, which has become relatively ubiquitous in the year or so since its introduction. Since then I've acquired the SlimPort microUSB to HDMI 1.4 SP1002 and VGA (D-SUB) SP2002 adapters from Analogix for testing out SlimPort on the Nexus 4.
SlimPort is a new video output standard which works over microUSB, and is effectively an MHL alternative based on the DisplayPort standard administered by VESA. SlimPort is offered both license and royalty free, and supports up to 1080p60 or 1080p30 with 3D content over HDMI 1.4 (up to 5.4 Gbps of bandwidth), in addition to support for DVI, VGA (up to 1366x768 and 720p at 60 Hz), and DisplayPort. What's different about SlimPort from a user-facing perspective is that external microUSB power is not required for the adapter to work and is instead only required for optional charging. At the same time, the adapters draw no power from the source to operate.
I've spent some time playing around with the SP1002 HDMI adapter, which I believe is based on ANX7730, and the SP2002 VGA adapter, which is likely based on ANX9832. As of this writing, the Analogix SP1002 adapter is available on Amazon for around $30 USD. I haven't seen the SP2002 available online anywhere yet, however.
When connected to the Nexus 4, the HDMI adapter rotates the UI into landscape and mirrors the display just as expected. Resolution is scaled to 1080p60 on the Nexus 4 up from the panel resolution of 1280x768, which results in some letterboxing. As expected there's no requirement to have microUSB power connected to the adapter, I tested it with and without external microUSB power, all this does is just enable charging.
I posted a video review (shot on the Samsung Galaxy Camera) demonstrating the Nexus 4 doing mirroring with the SlimPort SP1002 adapter and received a query about whether the combo enables multichannel audio over HDMI as well. I tested VLC for Android with some .MKVs I had laying around with 5.1 AAC tracks and found that VLC will decode the multichannel audio and ship it over as 5.1 PCM to my A/V Receiver, so this does work, surprisingly enough. There's no bitstreaming support as far as I can tell, however. As an aside I was able to playback a number of 720p MKVs with hardware decoding checked in VLC for Android and 5.1 audio out with no dropped frames. The Nexus 4 seems to be a passable platform if you're looking to play the occasional 720p video over HDMI — provided you have the free storage for it.
I also tested out the SP2002 microUSB SlimPort to VGA adapter, which has a longer cable and correspondingly beefier module for accommodating the D-SUB connector on the end. I tried with a Dell G2410 LCD display and XGA resolution DLP projector and saw an output resolution of VGA (640x480 at 60 Hz), which wasn't quite what I expected. The SP2002 should work just fine with 720p60 over VGA, and I know both monitors expose the proper EDID, it seems as though the Nexus 4 just defaults to this mode. Just like the HDMI adapter there's a microUSB port on the back for optional charging, though the dongle doesn't require external power to operate.
Thus far I'm fairly impressed with SlimPort. I enjoyed discrete microHDMI connections on devices when that was the norm, though finding a microHDMI to HDMI cable was always the challenge. Later MHL seemed a step in the right direction, but requiring three cables to do display mirroring seemed like a bit much. With SlimPort I think we've finally arrived at something close to ideal with the standard not requiring external power to function. It will be interesting to see how SlimPort, MHL, and Miracast adoption fare in the coming year as mirroring to a larger display is in the cards as a convergence trend for smartphones and tablets.
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Charges the device while it's connected? That's awesome!
I questioned that at first as well. If you follow the link to the adapter and look at the pics you'll notice that it has a USB input. I assume this has to be connected to charge the phone. As far as I'm aware HDMI doesn't carry power.
Only TVs with built in MHL HDMI Ports provide power.
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I read that the adapter has to have a power source to work... I assume then that this additional micro USB input is to enable use with TV's that dont support MHL.
Nothing like this exists now? Intriguing concept.
Will this work without having the charger connected? It seems nearly identical to Samsung MHL adapters.
I bought one. It seems like the packaging said something about the micro usb port being optional if you want it to charge, but I threw that stuff away and don't have an N4 to test with.
I think the "HDTV Cable" on the SlimPort site is going to be a cable that's micro usb (SlimPort) on one side, and HDMI on the other without any power input.
I ordered one as well
Cant wait to try it
FatalityBoyZahy said:
Charges the device while it's connected? That's awesome!
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As funny as that sounds, that would actually be nice. I know it's not SlimPort, but I use a Monoprice MHL-HDMI adapter currently. It requires power to work. Unfortunately, it can't negotiate high current and the phone shows USB charge mode. But with the screen active, it ends up losing 10-100ma. I haven't researched the actual micro-usb pinout to see if video uses the usb data pins or what. If somehow it doesn't, I might be able to short them out and have it go into AC charge mode.
Or maybe the better MHL adapters actually do negotiation and do charge?
Either way, hopefully the initial feedback on the N4 is good enough that I can overlook the fixed battery and storage.
ziddey said:
As funny as that sounds, that would actually be nice. I know it's not SlimPort, but I use a Monoprice MHL-HDMI adapter currently. It requires power to work. Unfortunately, it can't negotiate high current and the phone shows USB charge mode. But with the screen active, it ends up losing 10-100ma. I haven't researched the actual micro-usb pinout to see if video uses the usb data pins or what. If somehow it doesn't, I might be able to short them out and have it go into AC charge mode.
Or maybe the better MHL adapters actually do negotiation and do charge?
Either way, hopefully the initial feedback on the N4 is good enough that I can overlook the fixed battery and storage.
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My MHL adapter charged my GS3 charged when watching the Avengers movie Samsung gave T-Mobile GS3 customers. It was a pretty slow charge, but prevented my battery from dying like it should have.
I think this would be a lot more appealing in dock form.
The cable+block adapters are always a bit awkward to connect up and actually use in my opinion.
Will an MHL adapter work? I was using one on my GS2 and want to know if I will be able to use it on my N4
the video on this page specifically says that no external power source is needed.
http://www.analogix.com/products/slimport.html
I tried mine yesterday
I works with no power at all
Although I must say the phone got pretty hot when watching a YouTube video
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Just ordered one of these Slimport adapters from Amazon since my Google order has just shipped. Reasonably priced and power is optional unlike MHL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK6HttbgTaI&feature=plcp
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I tried mine yesterday
I works with no power at all
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Mine arrived from Amazon yesterday but I can't get a picture on the TV, when I plug everything in the screen on the N4 rotates to landscape and the phone loses sound, all good so far. But when I select HDMI source on the TV I just get a black screen.
This is annoying because the S3 worked perfectly with the Samsung adaptor.
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Mine arrived from Amazon yesterday but I can't get a picture on the TV, when I plug everything in the screen on the N4 rotates to landscape and the phone loses sound, all good so far. But when I select HDMI source on the TV I just get a black screen.
This is annoying because the S3 worked perfectly with the Samsung adaptor.
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Is your TV set to the correct HDMI port?
Nexus4, Tapatalk
There are apparently 3 dongles out there being marketed with a male microusb and female hdmi output:
Can someone please provide clarity on which ones will work with the nexus 4? Specifically looking for someone to post results for example 1
1. Generic MicroUSB MHL dongle cable : these are sold on ebay and optionally have an extra female microusb on them for OTG or power. This one will NOT work on Galaxy S3 bc of pin change. Can someone report if this type works on Nexus 4? It would be the most affordable solution if so
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MHL-Micro-U...748540?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item1e74de5c3c
2. Samsung SGS3 MHL dongle cable: bc of samsung pin change, this cable was specifically required for SGS3. - Reported not working on Nexus 4
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/09/galaxy-s-iii-incompatible-with-previous-mhl-dongles/
3. Slimport microUSB cable - Reported working on Nexus 4, but pricey
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009UZBLSG?tag=5336653508-20
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Many of the reviews labeled the video-out port as micro-HDMI, despite MS' saying that it requires a proprietary $40 adapter. Can anyone plug in a micro-HDMI cable and get a signal out to your TV?
It's not proprietary. One of the reviews from one of the bigger tech sites (can't remember which one right now) said they used a standard cable and it worked.
Edit: This might be where I saw it: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2411249,00.asp
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It's not proprietary. One of the reviews from one of the bigger tech sites (can't remember which one right now) said they used a standard cable and it worked.
Edit: This might be where I saw it: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2411249,00.asp
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Confirmed. It works connecting to a 1080p TV. And, you can either extend, mirror, or display only on external monitor just like with a normal laptop external HDMI connector. If display only on external monitor, the resolution becomes 1920x1080. Very nice...
This is the cable I used:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10253&cs_id=1025301&p_id=7558&seq=1&format=2
yep, its not proprietary. got mines working with no issues using one from ebay. connected to my receiver and outputting 1080p. windows RT actually auto installed a driver for my receiver so it could output sound via hdmi.
So I went and did some research into this. Here's what I found so that others can avoid the issue that I ran into.
MHL is connection agnostic. It does not have a standard connector, which is both good and bad.
The original Galaxy S II MHL adapter was a 5-pin design. Samsung still sells it, but there is no point in buying it (keep reading)
Samsung HDMI Smart Adapter - $39.99
Later products, like the S3, Note II, and S4 use the 11-pin design. Samsung also sells an adapter for this, but again, not worth buying (keep reading).
Samsung MHL HDTV Smart Adapter (11 pin) - $39.99
For those using the old 5-pin design (or a monitor/HDTV with native MHL support and a 5-pin cable), Samsung sells a 5 to 11 pin converter, which is smaller than a thumb drive. This is worth buying if you already have the 5-pin cable(s). Otherwise, keep reading.
Samsung HDTV Adapter Tip (5 to 11 pin converter) - $9.99
Next up, Samsung now sells a universal kit, which is a combination of the 5-pin cable and the 5 to 11 pin converter. This is the best deal for those with mixed devices as it will work with anything, and costs the same as the single cables (best deal, this is why you kept reading!).
Samsung Universal HDTV Adapter (5-pin) w.5-pin to 11-pin MHL Conversion Tip - $39.99
Lastly, Samsung now sells the MHL 2.0 adapter. My understanding is that this will ONLY work with 11-pin devices, so mixed-device owners may want to stick with the 5-pin + converter combo. However, MHL 2.0 does a few advantages over the prior spec. MHL can only pass 0.5a to charge the device while in use. This isn't enough to sustain a charge in most cases given that the screen remains on, so the device will eventually run out of juice even when plugged in. MHL 2.0 nearly doubles this to 0.9a, which is enough to run and slightly charge the device in most cases. Also, MHL is limited to [email protected] MHL 2.0 does [email protected]
Samsung MHL 2.0 HDTV Smart Adapter - $39.99
Keep in mind that while the S3/Note 2 can use this adapter, those devices are not MHL 2.0 compatible, which leads to the other advantage of MHL 2.0. The S4, being MHL 2.0 compliant, can power the adapter, meaning that an external charger is not needed. For the S3 and Note 2, the external charger will still be needed, because while the adapter is MHL 2.0 compliant, these devices are not.
Here's some more information on the subject.
http://blog.clove.co.uk/2013/03/28/which-mhl-cable-should-i-buy/
Do you have the 11pin adapter?
IamPro said:
Do you have the 11pin adapter?
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What I have is this:
http://www.expansys-usa.com/samsung-mhl-micro-usb-micro-hdmi-adapter-for-galaxy-s-ii-217883/
I'm guessing that I need this:
http://www.amazon.com/Original-Sams...59471&sr=8-1&keywords=samsung+5+pin+to+11+pin
I believe so
IamPro said:
I believe so
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What you really need is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYX0Q-E31yk
I know for a fact that one works. I got mine on ebay actually, and was worried it might not be legit but it works for my s4 on any hdmi tv, without having to connect external power.
This is the one I bought: http://www.ebay.com/itm/271221429430?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
Cheaper, seemingly same one and more importantly it says: "no external power source needed"
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MHL-2-0-AV-...Phone_PDA_Cables_Adapters&hash=item3f272962c4
I know it sucks, but I've been through multiple adapters and had problems with all of them. Only a genuine s4 mhl adapter worked for me in an acceptable manner.
Updated OP with better information.
kudosmog said:
What you really need is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYX0Q-E31yk
I know for a fact that one works. I got mine on ebay actually, and was worried it might not be legit but it works for my s4 on any hdmi tv, without having to connect external power.
This is the one I bought: http://www.ebay.com/itm/271221429430?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
Cheaper, seemingly same one and more importantly it says: "no external power source needed"
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MHL-2-0-AV-...Phone_PDA_Cables_Adapters&hash=item3f272962c4
I know it sucks, but I've been through multiple adapters and had problems with all of them. Only a genuine s4 mhl adapter worked for me in an acceptable manner.
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eBay one works properly like genuine? 1080p at 60fps?
As far as I remember yeah. I'll plug it up again and test. I was more concerned with it working without needing an external power supply, which it does. I played a few games on it and it was working without any disconnects or lag.
I've also not tried plugging my ps3 controller into the extra micro port to see if it will work through it. I assume it won't, but I'll try it anyway!
my query with these MHL adapters is with regards playing back 24p movies. touched on this in another thread. most mkv movies are 24p (actually 23.976). does the MHL 2.0 adapter ONLY output at 60p? or can it also output 24p? if the MHL 1.0 adapter does output 24p, then bizarrely it may playback 24p mkv files better...
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...also, can anyone confirm that these 2.0 adapters do actually pass charge to the s4 while attached? i don't mean whether they need a charge supply to operate, i mean if they actually charge the phone on their own when connected to the TV? there seem to be conflicting reports on this.
whatsisnametake2 said:
my query with these MHL adapters is with regards playing back 24p movies. touched on this in another thread. most mkv movies are 24p (actually 23.976). does the MHL 2.0 adapter ONLY output at 60p? or can it also output 24p? if the MHL 1.0 adapter does output 24p, then bizarrely it may playback 24p mkv files better...
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...also, can anyone confirm that these 2.0 adapters do actually pass charge to the s4 while attached? i don't mean whether they need a charge supply to operate, i mean if they actually charge the phone on their own when connected to the TV? there seem to be conflicting reports on this.
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I can't confirm it, I don't have a TV that can do it but here's a list of the TV's that can supposedly provide a charge through the hdmi port: http://www.mhlconsortium.org/productlist/display-devices/
Normal HDMI ports won't pass power as far as I understand but an MHL compliant TV will.
I found these two adapters from MonoPrice. Will they work on my Microsoft Surface Pro?
Mini DisplayPort | Thunderbolt® to HDMI®, DVI & DisplayPort Adapter
Mini DisplayPort | Thunderbolt to VGA Adapter
gksmith said:
I found these two adapters from MonoPrice. Will they work on my Microsoft Surface Pro?
Mini DisplayPort | Thunderbolt® to HDMI®, DVI & DisplayPort Adapter
Mini DisplayPort | Thunderbolt to VGA Adapter
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Neither one as they are both thunderbolt plugs *NOT* mini display port, poor advertising on their part. A thunderbolt plug contains electrical signalling for both thunderbolt and mini display port but does not share the same physical connector.
SixSixSevenSeven said:
Neither one as they are both thunderbolt plugs *NOT* mini display port, poor advertising on their part. A thunderbolt plug contains electrical signalling for both thunderbolt and mini display port but does not share the same physical connector.
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One of the Apple FAQs I read indicated that DisplayPort will work with devices with a Thunderbolt port but not the other way around and that the wiring on Thunderbolt was bi-directional.
I was hoping to get a couple of adapters instead of a bunch of cables.
Just done some research. Thunderbolt and displayport sockets and plugs are very much related it turns out. The thunderbolt cable uses a displayport socket with additional contacts added in locations which shouldnt interfere with displayport wiring. So you should be able to plug a mini displayport straight into a thunderbolt socket, but you cannot necessarily plug a thunderbolt cable into a displayport, but a "thunderbolt" > HDMI adaptor would most likely just use the cheaper displayport plug for maximum compatibility. So it should work, but it might not, depends on whether the company is genuinely using a displayport plug or a thunderbolt plug.
SixSixSevenSeven said:
Just done some research. Thunderbolt and displayport sockets and plugs are very much related it turns out. The thunderbolt cable uses a displayport socket with additional contacts added in locations which shouldnt interfere with displayport wiring. So you should be able to plug a mini displayport straight into a thunderbolt socket, but you cannot necessarily plug a thunderbolt cable into a displayport, but a "thunderbolt" > HDMI adaptor would most likely just use the cheaper displayport plug for maximum compatibility. So it should work, but it might not, depends on whether the company is genuinely using a displayport plug or a thunderbolt plug.
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I spoke with MonoPrice and they claim they will work - I'm going to give it a try. If they don't work I'll ship them back. If they do, they are a nice alternative to the Microsoft ones which are pricey.
I'll post a review of the adapters when they come.
Now I'm searching for a AC charger for the unit. I need a spare and I don't want to pay the $80 Microsoft wants.
I use this one from amazon. its a good price and worked instantly out the package. very good quality picture and sound connection.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003XCVQ3C/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
demandarin said:
I use this one from amazon. its a good price and worked instantly out the package. very good quality picture and sound connection.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003XCVQ3C/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Is there one like this W/ out audio?
ericerk said:
Is there one like this W/ out audio?
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Not sure what you mean. I plug my hdmi cable into the adapter and plug into tv. Video and sound is automatic. Now if the tv has a dvi port on back, you can get the display port to dvi adapter. Then I guess you'll have no sound then and have to route sound through headphone jack or so on the pro ?????
demandarin said:
Not sure what you mean. I plug my hdmi cable into the adapter and plug into tv. Video and sound is automatic. Now if the tv has a dvi port on back, you can get the display port to dvi adapter. Then I guess you'll have no sound then and have to route sound through headphone jack or so on the pro ?????
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The RT, Basically I'd want to plug it into my monitor (no speakers).
ericerk said:
The RT, Basically I'd want to plug it into my monitor (no speakers).
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These are for the pro not the RT. The RT does *not* have a display port. It has HDMI instead (which I also think the pro should have had, seriously, who the hell has a display port, I have *never* in my life seen one, plenty of HDMI, DVI and VGA ports though).
I dont have an HDMI device without speakers sadly so I dont know how windows would handle sound. But I do know that if you plug an HDMI device into windows, and then plug in separate speakers (USB or 3.5mm audio jack) then windows outputs to the external speakers by default. Or you can right click the audio icon on your system tray, Playback devices, change it so that the RT speakers are in use and not HDMI speakers or whatever.
If your monitor is not HDMI, you can buy an HDMI>DVI cable, or external HDMI>VGA adaptor units. Contrary to the above, DVI *DOES* contain audio, source: I have an NVidia GTX460 with twin DVI ports on the back, I have a DVI to HDMI cable which connects to the HDMI on my TV, there are no other speakers connected and no other cables between TV and GPU, I get audio from TV fine, therefore DVI must be carrying the audio signal just fine and dandy (and windows does indeed say that the audio device is a TOSHIBA HD TV or something like that).
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These are for the pro not the RT. The RT does *not* have a display port. It has HDMI instead (which I also think the pro should have had, seriously, who the hell has a display port, I have *never* in my life seen one, plenty of HDMI, DVI and VGA ports though).
I dont have an HDMI device without speakers sadly so I dont know how windows would handle sound. But I do know that if you plug an HDMI device into windows, and then plug in separate speakers (USB or 3.5mm audio jack) then windows outputs to the external speakers by default. Or you can right click the audio icon on your system tray, Playback devices, change it so that the RT speakers are in use and not HDMI speakers or whatever.
If your monitor is not HDMI, you can buy an HDMI>DVI cable, or external HDMI>VGA adaptor units. Contrary to the above, DVI *DOES* contain audio, source: I have an NVidia GTX460 with twin DVI ports on the back, I have a DVI to HDMI cable which connects to the HDMI on my TV, there are no other speakers connected and no other cables between TV and GPU, I get audio from TV fine, therefore DVI must be carrying the audio signal just fine and dandy (and windows does indeed say that the audio device is a TOSHIBA HD TV or something like that).
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I Think I need to go back to kindergarden and learn how to read again, I'm missing everything...
SixSixSevenSeven said:
These are for the pro not the RT. The RT does *not* have a display port. It has HDMI instead (which I also think the pro should have had, seriously, who the hell has a display port, I have *never* in my life seen one, plenty of HDMI, DVI and VGA ports though).
I dont have an HDMI device without speakers sadly so I dont know how windows would handle sound. But I do know that if you plug an HDMI device into windows, and then plug in separate speakers (USB or 3.5mm audio jack) then windows outputs to the external speakers by default. Or you can right click the audio icon on your system tray, Playback devices, change it so that the RT speakers are in use and not HDMI speakers or whatever.
If your monitor is not HDMI, you can buy an HDMI>DVI cable, or external HDMI>VGA adaptor units. Contrary to the above, DVI *DOES* contain audio, source: I have an NVidia GTX460 with twin DVI ports on the back, I have a DVI to HDMI cable which connects to the HDMI on my TV, there are no other speakers connected and no other cables between TV and GPU, I get audio from TV fine, therefore DVI must be carrying the audio signal just fine and dandy (and windows does indeed say that the audio device is a TOSHIBA HD TV or something like that).
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The reason for display port is its the newer high standard in media transfer or whatever. Hdmi "supposedly" tops out at 1080p content. Display port can put out 4k or higher content. All or most apple devices use display port also. Its just including the latest and greatest like the pro usb 3.0 port.
Display port is a higher functioning port than just plain hdmi. For example hdmi does not support daisy chain devices but display port does. This means you can run multiple displays from a single port, with the right adapter.
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Neither one as they are both thunderbolt plugs *NOT* mini display port, poor advertising on their part. A thunderbolt plug contains electrical signalling for both thunderbolt and mini display port but does not share the same physical connector.
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gksmith said:
I found these two adapters from MonoPrice. Will they work on my Microsoft Surface Pro?
Mini DisplayPort | Thunderbolt® to HDMI®, DVI & DisplayPort Adapter
Mini DisplayPort | Thunderbolt to VGA Adapter
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I forgot to come back and post my results. Both adapters work just fine. They appear to be 100% compatible with the Surface Pro.:good:
demandarin said:
The reason for display port is its the newer high standard in media transfer or whatever. Hdmi "supposedly" tops out at 1080p content. Display port can put out 4k or higher content. All or most apple devices use display port also. Its just including the latest and greatest like the pro usb 3.0 port.
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Hmm, the new Haswell based Dell's we got at work are all Display Port based. I guess it's something we're going to see more and more of. The new video card I got for my PC at home also came with Display Port along with all the other types.
DisplayPort appears to be intended more for the computer industry (for connecting to computer monitors, primarily), while HDMI appears to be intended more for most other consumer electronics (for connecting to TVs, primarily). I imagine that Microsoft figured that the Pro would more likely be used for real work, including in business environments, so DisplayPort made more sense, whereas the RT is more of a personal media consumption device (the kind that you use in front of the TV), so HDMI made more sense.
demandarin said:
The reason for display port is its the newer high standard in media transfer or whatever. Hdmi "supposedly" tops out at 1080p content. Display port can put out 4k or higher content. All or most apple devices use display port also. Its just including the latest and greatest like the pro usb 3.0 port.
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FWIW, the new HDMI 2.0 spec (I believe announced a few days after your post) supports 4K content. We ought to start seeing products with it by the end of the year.
Just an FYI but display port and thunderbolt both support daisy chaining devices, HDMI does not. This means you can attach multiple monitors to a single display port with the correct adapter.
HDMI is limited to a single output. You can amplify and split the output but it will not allow multiple independent displays.
I would much rather have a display port than an HDMI port.
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I still have never in my life seen a display with displayport as an option here in the UK with my own eyes.
I can confirm that I have both of these adapters, and they work just fine with my Surface Pro.
gksmith said:
I found these two adapters from MonoPrice. Will they work on my Microsoft Surface Pro?
Mini DisplayPort | Thunderbolt® to HDMI®, DVI & DisplayPort Adapter
Mini DisplayPort | Thunderbolt to VGA Adapter
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SixSixSevenSeven said:
I still have never in my life seen a display with displayport as an option here in the UK with my own eyes.
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HP sells 24" monitors with display port and DVI connections. They sell these globally.
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Hi,
I am looking for tablet to use in my car - I want it to be a multimedia device used for playing audio /or/+/ video (outputting it to rear-seat monitors as well), being ready for usb stick connection anytime and have dvb-t tuner connected 24/7.
Now after a long search I cannot really find a tablet that's around 7-8 inches, is powerful enough to handle full hd mkv's, and have mini hdmi along with double micro-usb otg, so I can have both usb stick and dvb-t tuner connected, and still have car charger attached to it, so I thought someone here may be able to help.
Anyone?
how about this tablet?
http://www.amazon.com/PPTab%C2%AE-Inch-Android-4-2-Tablet/dp/B00KAJ9444/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1401839610&sr=8-9&keywords=hdmi+tablet
That won't work smoothly with 1080p high-bitrate video for sure
I gotta admit there's [probably] no high-end tablets with separate hdmi out currently on the market, I keep searching and searching and nothing comes up...
ntdm 3000 is a cheap chinese tablet which i use its great for 1080p on bs or mx player,.
idont know if its hdmi though.
Yeah, it doesn't.
The point it it does not need to be cheap - but there's none with hdmi out.
Found some of the tablets by "KURGER & MATZ" to have 2 micro usb ports but... they don't have both gps and bluetooth
freqfreq said:
Yeah, it doesn't.
The point it it does not need to be cheap - but there's none with hdmi out.
Found some of the tablets by "KURGER & MATZ" to have 2 micro usb ports but... they don't have both gps and bluetooth
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Nexus 7 2012 has mhl (HDMI through USB port) and DVT tuner support and has car specific roms . Samsung tablets (8 inch and up) all have capability also . older 7 inchAcer a100 has HDMI and a500 10 inch. Nexus 7 2013 has slimport (newer HDMI through USB) capability. Slim port and mhl plug are only around 10- 30 $ nexus's and Samsung both have USB host and charging at the same time capability (need for DVT support) there is still active development on the old nexus its the one I'd go with. And its pretty easy to solder to the volume and power buttons so u can permently mount in your dash...
HDMI throught usb doesn't do the job for me.
I found only one tablet actually that fills my needs - Chineese PIPO T9.
One thing that sucks, is that it has 4.2.2 and they don't plan on any updates to kitkat.
Aside from that, it has everything needed.
http://www.pipo-store.com/pipo-t9-t...hone-call-tablets-gps-bluetooth-2gb-32gb.html
Separate charging port, mhl-host usb, hdmi, aux, octa-core.
Anyone has better ideas?
In case anyone googling the topic wants to know how I sorted it out in the end:
Bought PIPO M7T tablet (t9 turned out to not have separate hdmi out),
upgraded it with stock rom to 4.4.2.
32 GB MicroSD.
Full HD, even with very high bitrate plays smoothly there.
Has usb otg, hdmi, aux and dc connectors.
Got headphones out connected to aux in my car,
HDMI out heads to hdmi->av converted and goes to car av inputs.
A USB 2.0 4x hub is connected to micro usb, to which I have connected dvb-t tuner, hdmi->av converter power cord and any pendrives I want.
Tablet is constantly connected to external power using DC in.
Works superb, couldn't been better.
Do Micro USB to USB/HDMI adapters exist? Basically, an OTG cable with an HDMI split, as well. Please recommend a good one if you know of one that works.
I don't know of any myself because I haven't used them, but I believe they do exist. I remember reading about them before. though you'd need your device to support it.
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I looked it up, and it's not exactly HDMI output (which some devices do have), but they do have adapters for micro USB to HDMI - look up MHL
I asked that in general troubleshooting.
Note4 has a mhl 3.0 allowing it to output 4k resolution to 4k hdtvs. For now just content taken with it like photos and recorded video.
Ok, ive tested a generic mhl 2.0 and it didn't work (the mhl drive needs power to abs from the note4 so you have to have the 5pin to 11 pin adaptor on top of the mhl drive) but!
An oem samsung one (usually white) works out of the box. Retail 40 dollars on samaungs w3bsire. Amazon i think 35 dollars. Again the this on3 only works with the power cord to the drive.
But!! If you are lucky to have a samsung smart dock from the note2 it works for the note4. (When the note4 came out first staples was clearing out the shelves of the note2 docks users reported as a working wired dock to hdmi screen mirroring.)
Woreless? Chromecast...most miracast devices. And the new roku stick hdmi version work
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I don't know of any myself because I haven't used them, but I believe they do exist. I remember reading about them before. though you'd need your device to support it.
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I looked it up, and it's not exactly HDMI output (which some devices do have), but they do have adapters for micro USB to HDMI - look up MHL
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-Definition_Link
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/ET-H10FAUWESTA
...and according to gsmarena.com the Note 4 supports MHL 3.0 - technically up to 4k resolution, but I've not tried this.
e: I've just bought one of these:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00K6COMKG/ref=sr_ph?ie=UTF8&qid=1415275550&sr=1&keywords=mhl+patuoxun
...to test. I'll post a report when it arrives/I've tried it.
SquidgyB said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-Definition_Link
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/ET-H10FAUWESTA
...and according to gsmarena.com the Note 4 supports MHL 3.0 - technically up to 4k resolution, but I've not tried this.
e: I've just bought one of these:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00K6COMKG/ref=sr_ph?ie=UTF8&qid=1415275550&sr=1&keywords=mhl+patuoxun
...to test. I'll post a report when it arrives/I've tried it.
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Yup, works a treat.