Here it is...
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_4_16gb
$350 unlocked....
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Seems like I'd rather get the 8GB version for $50 less and just buy an SD card, lol. Does anyone know the specifics of that processor?
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Seems like I'd rather get the 8GB version for $50 less and just buy an SD card, lol. Does anyone know the specifics of that processor?
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Well, for one it doesn't support SD (expandable memory) And it's processor is a SnapDragon s4 pro quad core 1.5ghz I believe.
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Seems like I'd rather get the 8GB version for $50 less and just buy an SD card...
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Given what I've seen looking into kernel/framework code for the SGS4G, I'd want as much internal memory as I could get. Using a FAT-formatted card and "faking" a permissions-protected file system on top of that is just an ugly hack.
Burned once by the 1G in the SGS4G, I'm already wary of T-Mobile's decision to ship the Note II with the minimum internal memory that they can be configured with.
It seems like the trend for storage is cloud now, and with unlimited plans like the new one from T-Mobile it is starting to make sense to me....especially with multiple android devices. The external SD card days may be numbered.
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Wow, a quad-core processor already? This may just be the next phone I purchase. @Jeff, do you really think you'd use up all of that 8GB for ROM & apps? That question sounds sarcastic and rhetorical, but i'm genuinely curious, especially since you know much more of how Android works than I do.
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Wow, a quad-core processor already? This may just be the next phone I purchase. @Jeff, do you really think you'd use up all of that 8GB for ROM & apps? That question sounds sarcastic and rhetorical, but i'm genuinely curious, especially since you know much more of how Android works than I do.
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Its not so much about how much you use but the partitions. But being as it is a nexus device it has to follow the open source guidelines so that should never be a issue. matter of fact I dont think any phone that is not a Samsung uses a proprietary partition system like bml and such.
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@Jeff, do you really think you'd use up all of that 8GB for ROM & apps?
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If it is a $50 difference over a two-year lifespan of the phone, that is something like $2 a month. For that, I'd rather not have to hope that app/data size wouldn't grow quickly. For example, I bought some motherboards for lightly loaded servers a couple years ago. I though that 1 GB would be plenty of memory for them. Now I'm cursing that I can't expand them over 2 GB as they only have one DIMM slot.
I don't know where things are going, but I am sure that the phone manufacturers would love to be able to get you to buy a new phone sooner rather than later. A related example is that Intel had a big problem in the mid 90s -- they realized that their processor power was getting to the point where any home user would not need to upgrade. So they invested heavily in digital TV, cable, and broadband so that there was demand for faster processors.
I think I might be able to get this
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Check the video at the end of this post...pretty cool.
http://m.engadget.com/2012/10/29/android-photo-sphere-panorama-google/
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Swipe, toggles, aosp feeling.. damn i love google..
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Mmm, this will be my next phone .
I'm definitely getting this for Christmas.
I mean seriously, 2 GB of RAM! Plus a Quad core! That beats my old laptop! Which has 2 GB and 1.7 GHz processor (just one ).
I'm definitely getting the 16 GB, but I would really enjoy it if they added external storage :\
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"Does TV Out work?"
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What about wifi calling?
Would've been perfect but the lack of a microSD card slot and the lack of a 32gb model killed it for me. 16gb just simply isn't enough to hold my music collection as well as my pictures and videos and if you're an audiophile like me, then you know that music just streaming off the cloud won't cut it compared to music at 320kbps or lossless stored on the device itself. I wanna be able to listen to music while I'm on a roadtrip or on a plane, so if I have to rely on cloud service, I won't have most of my music with me... Unless they make a 32gb model, looks like I'm taking the iPhone 5 route...it was either a nexus android phone (I just cannot take the lack of updates anymore) or a iPhone and well the nexus was this close but they just had to have one downfall...you would think that they would have figured it out by now but no...
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if you're an audiophile like me
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No.
You are using a mobile device not a high end audio system at home.
Pictures would be better backed up to the cloud using something like Picassa or dropbox. That way they can be viewed anywhere.
I dont like the idea of being limited to a certain size of internal memory and no sdcard. But only because if the internal memory goes wonkers it costs more to replace than buying a new sdcard. Not because I want to claim to be a audiophile and need 320kbps files on my phone.
Okay yeah, this is a mobile device but why not make the most out of what you have? Why listen to crappy really compressed mp3's when you can store things at 320kbps where compression is minimal. With a good pair of headphones, I can hear the difference. It doesn't take a super high end system. I wanna be able to enjoy my music on the go, there's nothing wrong with that..even on YouTube you can tell the difference in sq between 720p and anything below it.
But what's the point in argueing about that on a phone forum, we both agree that we would rather not be confined to only 16gb of internal storage.. I don't understand why can't they simply include it. Every year, that's what people ask for and yet every year, they have to have some downfall.
Nexus S: No external storage and no HD Video Recording
Galaxy Nexus: No external storage again, sub par camera in comparison to other phones, and a pentile display.
Nexus 4: No external storage ONCE AGAIN.
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The biggest reason..cost. They dont care if you are willing to pay for it. They are looking to make a unlocked unrestricted phone. Its kinda like not putting LTE radios in. They are looking to make a good phone that is cheap enough people can buy it and not spend 600 bucks. They have found 350 is the price most people will pay for a unlocked phone and not be upset.
16GB is the point they can produce a phone and still make money at the 350 price point.
I think it's just part of the push towards cloud storage. The slight reduction in audio quality in return for the convenience of having their complete audio and video library on all of their devices is a trade I think the majority (not all ) of consumers have no problem with. Besides, with the trend of wider bandwidth for less money that has been with us since dial-up, I don't think it will be such a long time before the streaming quality improves further....historically that's what it's always done.
If audio is your prime concern then I would be more concerned with the type of DAC's in the phone as ultimately that will give you your real world "ceiling" on your audio quality.
I think Google had done fantastic job of providing the consumer with a feature packed, unlocked phone at a hell of a price. Much like with the N7 this will force down the prices of other manufacturers products in order to compete...a win for the consumer.
For anyone that thinks this phone isn't a great deal, Google "unlocked GS3 or iPhone 5" and get back to me.
Plus Whitehawkx, Romann, and the other aokp guys have been lighting up Twitter with tweets about how eager they are to get one, so the development should be strong right off the bat.
Just my 2 cents lol
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But think about it, it takes a lot more battery to steam music and continually use data in the background than it does to simply play music on your phone's memory. And what are you supposed to do when say you are on a roadtrip where signal is edge at best or when you are in a subway or plane where you don't have any signal at all? When I have a smart phone, it is my all-in-one device. It holds my music, works as my GPS, and acts as my phone. And what about apps? The whole point of the smartphone is to have apps right? Where are you gonna store your apps and games if they continue to go the cloud route and completely remove internal storage? Imagine using this galaxy s 4g without the 16gb micro sd card. In my opinion, that would be horrible. I don't wanna have to carry around an extra mp3 player around with me just to be able to fit less than half of my music collection. I don't think adding a micro SD card slot would have added that much to the costs. Whatever. I personally have no problem at all with signing a phone on contract because really, I am just saving money on the phone and paying as much as I would on a prepaid non-contract plan. I don't really see what is so bad with that. It would be more of a hassle switching constantly to different service providers than it would be to just stay with one.
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I was just short od preordering a One S here in Germany when I noticed that it had 16GB of internal storage but NO SD-Slot.
This seems to be an ugly trend in the industry. Right now I have a Sensation with a 32GB card and I rarely have more than 10GB free. So the 16GB (some say only 13 of it are usable to the user on stock firmware) will be a tight fit, even taking into account the fact that there is a 2 yr. 25GB Dropbox allotment included.
I wonder, whats the point of a really good cam on a smartphone, able to take quick succession pictures while limiting the storage in this way?
Also what do you think of the fact that the battery suddenly became a "non user serviceable part"? I like the looks of the phone, and no, the One X s not an option for me due to size... I compare them to Desire HD (One X) and my Sensation (One S) and the Sensation suits my hands better.
What do you think of this trend? Will you all happily use the Dropbox and give your data to some data center far away? Is there the option to strongly encrypt the data BEFORE sending it out?
Will there be drop-in replacements for the Dropbox implementation making use of VPN / SFTP connections to home servers / NAS devices that only you have access to or will it have to be using ugly workarounds like Flderync or AndFTP ?
Do you think there will be options later on to purchase One S models with 32GB on board? Or options to exchange the memory chip or is this going to be soldered in for good? What other options are there? Custom ROMs with USB Host mode that supply enough power to a USB dongle with an additional memory card?
This is looking all very apple-ish to me and I am not sure if I like the direction this is going or if I should hold out and see if they turn some of their awesome concepts that leaked recently into real products?
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I am concerned about the same things on this phone. I thought it was perfect until I read about the limited 16 g memory and no battery access. my phone upgrade has been available to me for over a month now and I am impatient for a new phone! but do I get this or wait even longer hoping something else comes along soon.
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I am concerned about the same things on this phone. I thought it was perfect until I read about the limited 16 g memory and no battery access. my phone upgrade has been available to me for over a month now and I am impatient for a new phone! but do I get this or wait even longer hoping something else comes along soon.
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I've said this in the One XL forum as well, which like the One S only has 16gb of internal storage (9.8 user, 2.2 for apps). Only the European / international varient of the One X has 32gb. Before anyone mentions google music, that's U.S.A only, not Canada.
HTC is following Apple with non expandable storage and a non removable battery.
HTC, take this one step further and offer the same multiple storage options Apple does. If the One x/xl and One S came with 8/16/32 or, even better 16/32/64gb of storage and allowed you to pay if you wanted more, waaaaaaaaay more people would consider these phones.
Hopefully HTC either realizes this for the second one series, introduces/announces larger storage varients by summer, or in the next series brings SD cards back.
As I live in Canada and have a choice of 16gb,or 16gb! I will wait until the summer or fall to upgrade from my desire. My experience with the desire is to NOT buy a phone where you are concerned about the storage.
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On the battery, I think it would be a non-issue for most consumers. A question that helps understand this decision is "How many smartphone users buy extra batteries and swap them regularly?" There are savings to be made on device size and manufacturing materials, which ultimately can bring the cost of the device down.
However, I agree there are potential issues, e.g. defects in the battery become a bigger warranty problem if the battery can't be swapped out (difference between HTC being able to just send you a new battery and you needing to send them your phone), but good QA can mitigate this to some extent.
I have an 8GB card in my desire with 5.5GB free so for me it's not an issue. If you're concerned about security of cloud storage you might want to look at other alternatives to drop box like SOS Online Backup, Wuala or SpiderOak which use encryption and also have android apps.
I wouldn't consider a phone as secure storage for anything so if you take a lot of photos or something like that then you should have a backup routine so huge amounts of storage isn't that necessary. Of course an external sd card is much more convenient.
Obviously you do not take lots of pictures, no video, have no music on your phone, no large games, or in my case have the need to carry documents on it that you CAN'T use the cloud for. It's not that I'm concerned about the security of the cloud, when I'm at work (I am an airline Pilot) I need stuff on my internal storage as there is no data signal......period.
I use my a smartphone while at work because it has replaced many devices in my flightbag, namely phone, camera, calculator, PDA, flashlight, and a few more. I used to carry around a PSP for watching video and playing games during "down time", and an mp3 player for the gym during overnights, etc. My smartphone has replaced all of those devices.
Without enough internal storage, for me and alot of other people it is a big deal, not everyone only needs 3gb of space like you.
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Guess it is good we have choices then...if it's not right for you there's another phone to buy.
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I have been out of the phone loop for a while. What are the other new/good phones? are there other good Tmobile phones on the horizon?
I like the One S for the new android version and the camera.
I mostly use my phone for pictures. hardly any music or videos
I am currently using the HTC HD2. with running Windows I really dont have a whole lot on there as far as extra apps. I am only using around 5g of my memory so I'm not sure if the limitations of the One S are an issue for me or not.
I dont know how much space I will need if I go crazy getting apps or games on this new phone lol
As I understand it there is about 2GB reserved purely for apps and games so the 10GB or so for storage shouldn't be used.
@ jmitr please don't take it personally, I was mainly addressing the OP's concerns about security with cloud services. I understand that some people really need the extra storage but the reality is that they are a minority of the smartphone market.
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As I understand it there is about 2GB reserved purely for apps and games so the 10GB or so for storage shouldn't be used.
@ jmitr please don't take it personally, I was mainly addressing the OP's concerns about security with cloud services. I understand that some people really need the extra storage but the reality is that they are a minority of the smartphone market.
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Ah, just reraed the op, sorry for going off on you.
I'm just upset with HTC's North American decision making, I'm finally reaching the magic upgrade point and here in Canada you can't get a flagship HTC phone with more than 16gb of space (or 2gb apps, 10gb user to be precise). If I want more space, or an SD card I either have to get the low end One V with marginally better specs than my two year old desire, or a different Company. They fit an SD card one the Sprint one evo, and offered 32gb on the international version of the X only. Seriously HTC will never come close to Apples sales with limited choices like that.
Anyways, I'm sure the One line will turn HTC's fortune around enough, but they've lost me as a loyal customer since 2005 with their recent decisions.
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I am picking up the HTC one s this week. So I want to know if there are any dev that are picking up the phone from mytouch4g. I love the work yall done to this phone.
We have plans on supporting the HTC One in the near future
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See you there!!!
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Awesome. I see a lot of port in the near future
Zips just got one. I took a look at one today. I don't think I like it.
I was considering one, but it doesnt have removeable sd card and 16gb is just not really enough for me. Hopefully they come out with a similar htc phone that is more like the new sprint evo with removeable storage.
eqjunkie829 said:
I was considering one, but it doesnt have removeable sd card and 16gb is just not really enough for me. Hopefully they come out with a similar htc phone that is more like the new sprint evo with removeable storage.
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+1 the lack of expandable memory and no removable battery is what drove me away from this device and finished concluding my mind set on the amaze.
I have a 32gb SD and I'm already over 16gb and too me, drop box is an inconvinience and really do not trust it.
My bother had the phone for 2 days. He work for tmobile. And it have great battery life. He went a whole day with usage and at the end if the he had over 30 something percent life. And he talk on the phone like a school girl. I myself have a 8gb card but since I have a mp3 It's never filled. I just use it for games and back up. so the phone is perfect for me.
The non-removable battery is a little off-putting, but I think I might overlook the 16GB storage limit. Music is what takes up most of my 16GB SD card, but I'm considering uploading my entire iTunes library to Play Music. And maybe every few days, I'll change up the albums I download to my phone. I only really use the music for working out so I just need a few hours worth of songs. Has anyone tried Play Music this way?
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The non-removable battery is a little off-putting, but I think I might overlook the 16GB storage limit. Music is what takes up most of my 16GB SD card, but I'm considering uploading my entire iTunes library to Play Music. And maybe every few days, I'll change up the albums I download to my phone. I only really use the music for working out so I just need a few hours worth of songs. Has anyone tried Play Music this way?
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Yup, I have over 2,000 songs on play and I stream it through my tablet instead of using the internal storage and sdcard. It's so much more convenient
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Yup, I have over 2,000 songs on play and I stream it through my tablet instead of using the internal storage and sdcard. It's so much more convenient
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I know Google advertises that you can upload 20,000 songs for free, but is that (for lack of a better word) a gimmick? My library sits at approximately 7000 songs, equivalent of about 40GB of music. So Google is just giving away about 120GB of cloud space for free? Seems too good to be true, but if it is, I'm on board.
I'll be at the one s hopefully
lcambriz said:
I know Google advertises that you can upload 20,000 songs for free, but is that (for lack of a better word) a gimmick? My library sits at approximately 7000 songs, equivalent of about 40GB of music. So Google is just giving away about 120GB of cloud space for free? Seems too good to be true, but if it is, I'm on board.
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you guys ever check out Audiogalaxy? great app, look it up sometime
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Yup, I have over 2,000 songs on play and I stream it through my tablet instead of using the internal storage and sdcard. It's so much more convenient
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So you're saying that carrying your cell phone and an extra, bigger device with you to listen to music is more convinient than just having your music in an SD card in the one only, smaller device that fits in your pocket?
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So you're saying that carrying your cell phone and an extra, bigger device with you to listen to music is more convinient than just having your music in an SD card in the one only, smaller device that fits in your pocket?
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You totally missed the point.
It's more convenient that I can use the storage on my tablet for other things and still access my whole music library through the play music app...
You guys are a bunch of smart asses.
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I know Google advertises that you can upload 20,000 songs for free, but is that (for lack of a better word) a gimmick? My library sits at approximately 7000 songs, equivalent of about 40GB of music. So Google is just giving away about 120GB of cloud space for free? Seems too good to be true, but if it is, I'm on board.
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It appears so. Worth a try.
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I'm interested in seeing the Samsung galaxy s3. Its not really a friendly device for hacking though
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It appears so. Worth a try.
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It'll probably take me a good while to upload it all but I'll give it a shot. Probably a good idea to have an online backup of all my music, should my hard drive and iPod crash. If I really can upload my entire library, the 16GB strike against the One S has gotten that much smaller. The only con left I can think of is that it won't be compatible with T-Mo's 4G LTE network when it goes up in a year (according to a review I read on USA Today). But since my upgrade will expire well before that, I may as well pull the trigger.
By the way, has anyone heard about a $100 discount from T-Mo if you trade in your current 4G smartphone? I briefly heard something to this effect on the radio this morning but didn't pay close attention.
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I'm interested in seeing the Samsung galaxy s3. Its not really a friendly device for hacking though
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Especially since they have flash counters now, and I read that there's another counter for how many times you reset the flash counter as well.
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It'll probably take me a good while to upload it all but I'll give it a shot. Probably a good idea to have an online backup of all my music, should my hard drive and iPod crash. If I really can upload my entire library, the 16GB strike against the One S has gotten that much smaller. The only con left I can think of is that it won't be compatible with T-Mo's 4G LTE network when it goes up in a year (according to a review I read on USA Today). But since my upgrade will expire well before that, I may as well pull the trigger.
By the way, has anyone heard about a $100 discount from T-Mo if you trade in your current 4G smartphone? I briefly heard something to this effect on the radio this morning but didn't pay close attention.
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Yea, i was smart to wait til I got back on campus to do mine. My download and upload speeds here are insane. I uploaded about 20gb of music over night. Opposed to my dad who's still probably uploading his. He can't do it during the day cause my brothers hog the bandwidth with their ipods, phones and consoles to stream netflix and play mw3. I hate my Internet at home. Lol
And t-mo does do that I think.
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Though I was holding out for the S3, could not help pass off a $49 upgrade on the HTC One X. I have seen disassembly pics of the HTC One X and am wondeing if they use a microSD card for the internal memory (like Samsung did for Captivate? ) and if it would be possible to swap out the memory card with a cloned say 32 gb / 64 gb card?
Disassembly pics
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Though I was holding out for the S3, could not help pass off a $49 upgrade on the HTC One X. I have seen disassembly pics of the HTC One X and am wondeing if they use a microSD card for the internal memory (like Samsung did for Captivate? ) and if it would be possible to swap out the memory card with a cloned say 32 gb / 64 gb card?
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Good question
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Oh man, I'll be so pissed if that turns out to be the case. If so, why would they give the XL only 16GB when the Tegra edition has 32?
Maybe the difference in price between the S4 and T3 is the same as a 16GB mSD card and 32GB. There's always trade-offs to be made in hardware design. HTC probably wanted to keep the phone below a certain threshold regarding component cost.
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Though I was holding out for the S3, could not help pass off a $49 upgrade on the HTC One X. I have seen disassembly pics of the HTC One X and am wondeing if they use a microSD card for the internal memory (like Samsung did for Captivate? ) and if it would be possible to swap out the memory card with a cloned say 32 gb / 64 gb card?
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I was wondering the same thing the other day. I love almost everything I'm seeing about this phone but the 16GB (actually, only about 12GB usable) thing is really making me hesitant to buy it. Too bad the captions in the pictures aren't translated!
I don't see any microsd or microsd slot in any of those pics. Internal memory is usually a soldered chip on the board. Would be pretty difficult to swap those out.
sanumaj said:
Though I was holding out for the S3, could not help pass off a $49 upgrade on the HTC One X. I have seen disassembly pics of the HTC One X and am wondeing if they use a microSD card for the internal memory (like Samsung did for Captivate? ) and if it would be possible to swap out the memory card with a cloned say 32 gb / 64 gb card?
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Actually, none of the Samsung phones ever used internal microSD cards. Samsung phones always use NAND chips (Captivate included).
In the past, HTC always use miroSD cards for internal storage. But it may have changed recently. Who knows.
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Internal memory is usually a soldered chip on the board. Would be pretty difficult to swap those out.
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Yes, and the solder joints are usually tiny on the chips. Very difficult to do by hand (if not almost impossible), with little room for error.
The words in simplified Chinese are simply describing how to take the phone apart. The original pictures are a part of a series of pictures teaching you how to take apart the phone and the text are things like "The camera is connected to the main circuit board, so be sure to be careful when disassembling." I went through all of the pictures on the original site and none of it mentions where data storage is.
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The words in simplified Chinese are simply describing how to take the phone apart. The original pictures are a part of a series of pictures teaching you how to take apart the phone and the text are things like "The camera is connected to the main circuit board, so be sure to be careful when disassembling." I went through all of the pictures on the original site and none of it mentions where data storage is.
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Thanks for taking time to review the pics and the translations.. Its a shame that HTC decided to skimp on the internal memory and provide no expandable options. Suspect att strategy involves increased dependence on cloud storage that would force users to increase data consumption... Chi ching!
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Since the at&t version only has 16 gb, does anyone have the ACTUAL real storage space? Does it end up being like 14.92 gigs or something? This phone looks really sweet, but I currently have about 12-13 gigs of music on my captivate and the 16gb could pose as a real annoyance.
It is a nand chip, so no hidden microsd slot.
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It is a nand chip, so no hidden microsd slot.
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Thanks for the confirmation DG.
On a different note, I have been following you since the captivate days. Love your work and am a big fan.
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Since the at&t version only has 16 gb, does anyone have the ACTUAL real storage space? Does it end up being like 14.92 gigs or something? This phone looks really sweet, but I currently have about 12-13 gigs of music on my captivate and the 16gb could pose as a real annoyance.
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9.93 usable, 2 for apps
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JayFReaZy said:
Since the at&t version only has 16 gb, does anyone have the ACTUAL real storage space? Does it end up being like 14.92 gigs or something? This phone looks really sweet, but I currently have about 12-13 gigs of music on my captivate and the 16gb could pose as a real annoyance.
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Google Music is probably the only realistic solution for you... Stream some music and pick and choose what to keep on your phone.
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Google Music is probably the only realistic solution for you... Stream some music and pick and choose what to keep on your phone.
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Would use data plan if not on wifi. Still if you are 3GB or more with att should be doable with moderate use
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sanumaj said:
Thanks for taking time to review the pics and the translations.. Its a shame that HTC decided to skimp on the internal memory and provide no expandable options. Suspect att strategy involves increased dependence on cloud storage that would force users to increase data consumption... Chi ching!
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WE HAVE A WINNER!!!! I completely bet this was ATT's decision.
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9.93 usable, 2 for apps
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Thanks for the info, but WOW is that a small amount of space. I have close to 5GB on just pictures and videos alone.
I was thinking about google music, however, I mostly listen to music while in the subway; which means no reception/wifi. I had my sights on getting this phone, I guess I may need more time to think about it. If HTC was able to put a slot for a microSIM, why not a micro SD as well? . But, like someone stated in an earlier post, I'm sure it is to force people to use the cloud, which uses data, and ultimately creates overages.
I've been waiting to see a teardown to see if replacing the nand would be possible. If it was that would make a huge market for broken International One-X boards. I can't judge by the pictures if it's possible. Usually on a teardown there's at least 20 pics.
As far as AT&T's plan and why they knocked us down to essentially 10 gigs..
You had one thing right when you said cloud dependency, but I think it goes much further than that. Think of the 23GB free Dropbox space they're giving us all, the Google Music they are all undoubtedly expecting us to use. It's the precursor to their future attempt to hold your data hostage! What are you going to do if you don't pay your bill and your service goes out? You can't access your dropbox on the go, you can't stream your music through Google Play. They know that nobody wants to actually fill that measly 10 gigs with music. It's an attempt to get you more motivated to pay your monthly bill, and to extend your contract for another two years once this one is up. It's funny how they give you 23 gigs on your dropbox for 2 years, the same as your contract length. Something tells me that extending your contract will get you another 2 years once it's up. It might look like simple marketing, but honestly it's quite shady of them.
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I've been waiting to see a teardown to see if replacing the nand would be possible. If it was that would make a huge market for broken International One-X boards. I can't judge by the pictures if it's possible. Usually on a teardown there's at least 20 pics.
As far as AT&T's plan and why they knocked us down to essentially 10 gigs..
You had one thing right when you said cloud dependency, but I think it goes much further than that. Think of the 23GB free Dropbox space they're giving us all, the Google Music they are all undoubtedly expecting us to use. It's the precursor to their future attempt to hold your data hostage! What are you going to do if you don't pay your bill and your service goes out? You can't access your dropbox on the go, you can't stream your music through Google Play. They know that nobody wants to actually fill that measly 10 gigs with music. It's an attempt to get you more motivated to pay your monthly bill, and to extend your contract for another two years once this one is up. It's funny how they give you 23 gigs on your dropbox for 2 years, the same as your contract length. Something tells me that extending your contract will get you another 2 years once it's up. It might look like simple marketing, but honestly it's quite shady of them.
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http://fashion.pconline.com.cn/mobile/1204/2754053.html
If you go to the original article, there are 21 picks but it's not that helpful. The article is in Chinese but pictures are pictures. Most of the words say things like "screw here", etc.
It should be noted that this is the international version of the HTC One X.
In short, SD card is too complicated. What?!
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Why don’t Nexus devices have SD cards?
Everybody likes the idea of having an SD card, but in reality it's just confusing for users.
If you’re saving photos, videos or music, where does it go? Is it on your phone? Or on your card? Should there be a setting? Prompt everytime? What happens to the experience when you swap out the card? It’s just too complicated.
We take a different approach. Your Nexus has a fixed amount of space and your apps just seamlessly use it for you without you ever having to worry about files or volumes or any of that techy nonsense left over from the paleolithic era of computing.
With a Nexus you know exactly how much storage you get upfront and you can decide what’s the right size for you. That’s simple and good for users.
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When galaxy nexus was launched, It was the perfect phone for me .after I discovered that it has no external SD ,it is not my concern anymore
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In short, SD card is too complicated. What?!
https://plus.google.com/114892667463719782631/posts/JAAMUzx1PFX
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The vast majority of people are not tech savvy so simple is better for Google and they will sell more. Same reasoning for the phone hybrid ui on the tablets.
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Happy to accept what google are saying, but if you wont offer the option of an SD card you probably need to up the max capacity from 16, to 32 and possible 64. Thats if you want the best product going anyway
I used to believe external SD card support is a must have. But in reality, I never needed it. And having everything in the ROM = Faster access.
TBH, I have yet to reach even 8GB let alone 16gb in my GNex.
16 gb are way to low for me. i am using my device as a mp3 player and i now have about 20 gb of music on my sd card. i seriously cant follow the arguments against an sd card slot
20gb of music? Wow...
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16 gb are way to low for me. i am using my device as a mp3 player and i now have about 20 gb of music on my sd card. i seriously cant follow the arguments against an sd card slot
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You really need access to 20GB of music all the time? Why not use Google music to stream most of it and just keep your most listen songs on your device
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lol that's some insultingly poor marketing bs. Even Apple wouldn't make such a crappy argument to justify the removal of a very crucial and popular feature from one of their flagship devices.
If you backtrack and stop supporting something that people used to take for granted with your product, you better have a damn good reason.
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You really need access to 20GB of music all the time? Why not use Google music to stream most of it and just keep your most listen songs on your device
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Seriously?
1) capped, expensive data plans.
2) 3G/wifi are not a given for many users and usecases.
3) take longer to play a song that you already have a local copy of (why?)
4) Google Music does not have a public API and the official app sucks.
And for the record I definitely "need" at least 20 GB worth of music at any given time
It sounds like a statement Apple would issue. My old "dumb" phone had a setting for whether to save camera pics and videos on internal memory or external microSD. Is is really that hard Google, or would you rather take the Apple approach.
Here are my reasons why phones should have SD slots:
-You can get tons of cloud storage for free, but using that storage will cost a lot if you don't have unlimited data. It will also be slower to access than locally stored files.
-Programs, especially games are getting bigger. Its not uncommon to have a single game want a GB of space for its files these days. They will only continue getting bigger and that phone you just bought is stuck with the same amount of memory. It may be enough space now, but what about in a year?
-The price to buy a device with larger internal storage costs much more in $ per GB than a microSD would. Its $50 more to go from the 8GB Nexus 4 to the 16GB. Meanwhile I've seen 64gb microSDXC cards go on sale for $50.
-The memory is not stuck in one device. If I invest in a 64gb card I can take it to my next phone without paying more.
-Its very cheap for an OEM to add a microSD slot, were not asking for a lot of hardware.
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16 gb are way to low for me. i am using my device as a mp3 player and i now have about 20 gb of music on my sd card. i seriously cant follow the arguments against an sd card slot
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Dude 20GB is a LOT of music. It's probably a few days 72 hours worth of music. Don't keep it on your phone, keep about 14 hours, that's the plane ride from USA to China (halfway across the world). I can't even begin to justify the need of so much music.
I only have maybe 4 hours or so of music, that's enough for me. I don't care if a few songs repeat, it's like the radio.
EDIT assuming each 10MB file is 3 mins long, then you actually have 100 hours of music.
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When the argument becomes about how much space a consumer really needs, then the answer is obvious: let the consumer decides.
But if you are willing to concede and let the maker make the choice on storage capacity, at a time when storage has become so dirt cheap, then a good option is to buy a product whose name begins with i.
That is one weak argument from google.
Why not make the nexus 8 or 16gb as it is AND keep sd card support?
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That is one weak argument from google.
Why not make the nexus 8 or 16gb as it is AND keep sd card support?
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They had reasons about being secure and faster data transfer before too, but those were also pretty weak arguments.
I would like SD cards, but that's the tradeoff for owning a Nexus, I guess.
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Yeah it's too complicated. 16GB internal storage is perfect for me.
Nexus one.
Removable battery
Sd slot.
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Nexus one.
Removable battery
Sd slot.
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Nexii had a removable battery until the Nexus 7, that is relatively new.
And the N1 had an internal storage of what? 300mb? If it didn't have microSD it would be one messed up phone
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Your Nexus has a fixed amount of space and your apps just seamlessly use it for you without you ever having to worry about files or volumes or any of that techy nonsense left over from the paleolithic era of computing.
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Frankly, that's almost insulting to assume that we are that stupid. i chose Android over iOS why? Because I am not stupid, I do not want to be spoon-fed technology like a drooling infant. I chose android because I have a choice- I can choose what to do with my device, how I do it, everything like that. I can choose the software I want to install--and I can chose where I get that software from. I can even choose the operating system, or write one myself, if I want. That's what makes Android such a great platform. Choice, scaleability.
To just write that off as "too complicated" is absolutely...dumb. And makes me question just what the future of the android platform will be.
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Dude 20GB is a LOT of music. It's probably a few days 72 hours worth of music. Don't keep it on your phone, keep about 14 hours, that's the plane ride from USA to China (halfway across the world). I can't even begin to justify the need of so much music.
I only have maybe 4 hours or so of music, that's enough for me. I don't care if a few songs repeat, it's like the radio.
EDIT assuming each 10MB file is 3 mins long, then you actually have 100 hours of music.
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maybe it is a bit offtopic but imo 20gb of music is not much. i still use a mp3player (much better than using the smartphone) and there i got 8gb & 32gb (sd card).i really like to have discographies on the go of my favourite bands.
also: not everyone is using .mp3 - people also use .flac which takes a lot of space.
regarding the topic: sounds a bit stupid to me. probably the production is just cheaper this way and it makes it more difficult to put custom roms on it.
I think the google android chief is brilliant, that philosophy should be applied everywhere:
-4 doors in the car? Too confusing for the user, seal 3 doors, that way we always know how to get in and out.
-6 windows in the house? Make it just one, so we don't look out through the wrong one.
-who needs cable tv? Block all channels but one, so we don't get confused as to what's on tv.
-you have 2 kids? Send the other one to google, keep just the 1. That way you'll always know who failed their math test, or who fed the hamster to the cat.
It's a marketing strategy to get more $$$. That way they can sell very expensive gb of internal space.
FYI Samsung S4 will be featuring on BBC Watchdog over its memory claims. Details http://gavinsgadgets.wordpress.com/...may-bbc-watchdog-will-feature-the-samsung-s4/
Lets hope this makes all companies display clearer info on actual free memory.
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FYI Samsung S4 will be featuring on BBC Watchdog over its memory claims. Details http://gavinsgadgets.wordpress.com/2...he-samsung-s4/
Lets hope this makes all companies display clearer info on actual free memory.
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Could also give people the chance to contact them about the screen problems too
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Could also give people the chance to contact them about the screen problems too
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That would be good. The S4 also has incompatibility issues with many headphones, causes audio clipping (cracks and pops)
Why are people moaning about this? I thought everyone knew manufactures advertise the maximum capacity not the available capacity. I mean it's not like some HTC without an sd card slot. I think the smearing is more of an issue.
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The smearing is an issue as is the audio clipping.
Most of the tens of millions buying the S4 won't be aware. . Any why should any company claim it has a certain memory, but then not clarify whats useable. Thats being transparent surely?
If anything I am hoping it pushes the need for 32gb versions to appear or become the minimum standard for JB.
To me its not the claiming 16 but only providing 9 usable GB, its the insinuation that you can just buy and use a microsd and the issue goes away when in fact all you can do with the msd is download content from your PC ie movies n music, I expect they'll blame Google for the change and to some degree they'll be right but it's still down to Samsung to provide more actually usable by the phone memory, it's the only real reason stopping me buying an s4 now.
Actually that's the reply I did get from Samsung. They blamed Google. That's ok, but let people know what the memory free is and about saving apps, caches etc...
They didn't as they were selling millions of devices.
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Actually that's the reply I did get from Samsung. They blamed Google. That's ok, but let people know what the memory free is and about saving apps, caches etc...
They didn't as they were selling millions of devices.
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That figures, they might get away with it as for many 16gb will be enough and a % of folk angered by the limit will swallow the Google did it spin however Sam are living off a previous good reputation hard earned IMHO this will cost them sales of the s5 and limit the longevity of s4 sales.
I dont think its acceptable because all companies have less. The 16GB N4/iPhone have 13GB free and Im sure the S3 had 12GB free. The fact the S4 uses so much up is silly. Losing a few GB isn't too bad. Losing all that is terrible.
Why do they blame google for the free space issue. Maybe samsung should put less bloatware on their phones.
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This is an issue across the board. When you buy a computer with a 500gb hard drive you get less space due to the os being installed. It's just in this case nearly 50% of the capacity is gone.
They may as well put 32gb in from now on, use up to 16gb for their os and sell it as a 16gb device.
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FYI Samsung S4 will be featuring on BBC Watchdog over its memory claims. Details http://gavinsgadgets.wordpress.com/2...he-samsung-s4/
Lets hope this makes all companies display clearer info on actual free memory.
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Gavin, what's appended to your link?
No info found on your blog page.
Not sure what happened there but correct link is
http://gavinsgadgets.wordpress.com/...may-bbc-watchdog-will-feature-the-samsung-s4/
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Not sure what happened there but correct link is
http://gavinsgadgets.wordpress.com/...may-bbc-watchdog-will-feature-the-samsung-s4/
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Cheers.:good:
I'm not pleased about having almost half the internal storage being taken up but can someone answer me this:
If external memory can't be used for large games (supposedly goggles restrictions) why can the game 'Bards tale' install it's game data to your sd card if you choose to?
I have and the 3.5gb went on my 32gb sd.
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I'm not pleased about having almost half the internal storage being taken up but can someone answer me this:
If external memory can't be used for large games (supposedly goggles restrictions) why can the game 'Bards tale' install it's game data to your sd card if you choose to?
I have and the 3.5gb went on my 32gb sd.
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That's good news. Probably the exception rather than the rule and decent developers, and a fav game of mine. I believe Bards Tale specifically has an option that understands also the S4 partition. Sadly other games like Need for Speed MW dont do this. If you use Google Music, it caches songs into internal memory. If you rent a film from Google Play, again it goes into internal memory.
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That's good news. Probably the exception rather than the rule and decent developers, and a fav game of mine. I believe Bards Tale specifically has an option that understands also the S4 partition. Sadly other games like Need for Speed MW dont do this. If you use Google Music, it caches songs into internal memory. If you rent a film from Google Play, again it goes into internal memory.
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Thanks, so apart from Google being annoying the other game devs are perhaps being a bit lazy.
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Thanks, so apart from Google being annoying the other game devs are perhaps being a bit lazy.
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I agree. I know nfs can run if rooted and foldermount is set up to use the msd. So if developers added the option to install on to msd in their programs this wouldnt actually be as big an issue for some of us.
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Google doesn't want apps on the memory card, internal memory is better for running stuff, and I have no problem with this so long as we have a reasonable amount of internal memory to start with. I personally would love to root and use foldermount but some key apps of mine detect if phone rooted and if rooted they don't work. Bummer.
marcadam said:
Why are people moaning about this? I thought everyone knew manufactures advertise the maximum capacity not the available capacity. I mean it's not like some HTC without an sd card slot. I think the smearing is more of an issue.
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It is not an issue of moaning. The device was released with a fancy chipset and content providers pushing 3d and social cloud apps with a device with less than 9 gb out of the gate. To make matters worse, there is only one carrier and just in the US offering a 32gb option for the customers- that want to actually use the apps being marketed and pushed by content providers.
The big issue is both Samsung and major retailers misleading customers that the 16gb is fine, since you can install apps to the sd card. Something that Android team got rid of for two reasons. Android team hated the feature and carriers complained about the customer service cost (a lot of people did not get that swapping cards or using cheap cards was the problem).