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16 GB or 32 GB?

I've been seeing differing stories about the size of storage that will come in the AT&T version if the XL. Haven't seen any info on AT&T's website. Anyone know the true story? It's bad enough there's no expansion.
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as far as I am aware, the AT&T One X is coming in 16gb. Which upsets me. I was hoping to replace my iPod with it. But I have more than 16gb of music.

x3phyr said:
as far as I am aware, the AT&T One X is coming in 16gb. Which upsets me. I was hoping to replace my iPod with it. But I have more than 16gb of music.
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Pretty upset myself. I understand changing the processor due to LTE compatibility, but don't see the need to decrease the storage size, especially considering there's no expansion slot. It's the one thing that's turning me off to getting it.
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GrandAdmiral said:
Pretty upset myself. I understand changing the processor due to LTE compatibility, but don't see the need to decrease the storage size, especially considering there's no expansion slot. It's the one thing that's turning me off to getting it.
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I'm considering getting a Vivid and seeing what's available in the fall. I have another upgrade coming up in October. If it's the same old bull**** with At$t at that time I will most likely look at TMobile.

From what I've heard, it looks like it will be 16GB. Add to the fact that the ATT version will not have Tegra 3 and I have decided to get an unlocked HTC One X as I already have 2 LTE devices. The fact that it is a quadband 3G phone wells my eyes with joy remembering the old Win-Mo days of buying the HTC TyTN and TyTn II which had 850/1900 3G built in without ATT meddling.
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I wouldn't be surprised if AT&T released a 16GB AND a 32GB version a month or so from each other. Kind of like a reversed situation with the 16GB Galaxy Nexus coming to Verizon.

Actually, the One X has 32GB. The One XL only has 16GB.

the_scotsman said:
Actually, the One X has 32GB. The One XL only has 16GB.
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We know the difference. Just like we know the One X is what's going to be in the UK, and the one XL will be the AT&T version. IF it's going to be differentiated.
And every trustworth news source I've seen so far that has posted the specs has quoted it at 16GB... keep in mind you should look for specs a day or two after it was released, since the market is flooded with confusion about which is which.
also to the dude w/ 3 phones, 2 lte... WHY do you need so many phones? share with the less fortunate.

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We know the difference. Just like we know the One X is what's going to be in the UK, and the one XL will be the AT&T version. IF it's going to be differentiated.
And every trustworth news source I've seen so far that has posted the specs has quoted it at 16GB... keep in mind you should look for specs a day or two after it was released, since the market is flooded with confusion about which is which.
also to the dude w/ 3 phones, 2 lte... WHY do you need so many phones? share with the less fortunate.
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The specs are already on the HTC website.

GrandAdmiral said:
I've been seeing differing stories about the size of storage that will come in the AT&T version if the XL. Haven't seen any info on AT&T's website. Anyone know the true story? It's bad enough there's no expansion.
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16GB
http://www.htc.com/us/products/htconex-att#tech-specs

There's still hope.... kind of.
There's still a mysterious HTC Totem/Tahiti that is yet to be revealed.

Sigh I was waiting for this phone but 16gb w/ no microSD slot is just too small and unusable for me. I guess I'll wait for Galaxy S3 =( or Skyrocket HD if it ever comes out...

Well how about this to further complicate things and **** AT&T customers off more. According to this article, the Sprint version of the One X will also come with only 16 GB of storage space, but WILL have an expansion slot. Really? What the hell happened to simplicity with one phone?
Next week I will be going to the invitation only HTC Sprint event, where we hope to see the new version of the HTC One X that Sprint has renamed the HTC EVO One.
Android Central has brought us some pre-event information regarding the changed specifications for the new version HTC One X. The HTC EVO One is different in few ways that I believe may seriously effect the performance in comparison to the HTC One X.
The same 4.7 inch, 720p Amoled screen will be on the HTC EVO One but the changes come in with the 1.5 dual-core Krait processor, 2650mah non-removal battery, 16GB internal memory with a microSD card slot.
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http://htcpedia.com/news/Sprint-Changing-More-Than-The-Name-For-The-HTC-One-X.html

just curious but why would anyone need more than 16 gbs? i've uploaded like 17gb of music to google music and htc is giving you 25 gb from dropbox in which to upload pictures and videos too (which you can see similarly to google music).
i have a note with 16 built in and a 32 removable but looking at the settings right now and ignoring the 29gb i have free on the card, i have 8.76gb free combined between system and "usb" storage (don't ask me why it's labeled that).
so from total os, formatting, loads of apps (71 apps, widgets don't show), pictures (over 200), and whatever else i missed, i still have over 8gbs. i guess my point is, quit downloading porn people. lol, kidding, but i think 16 inside is fine.

chaosjh said:
just curious but why would anyone need more than 16 gbs? i've uploaded like 17gb of music to google music and htc is giving you 25 gb from dropbox in which to upload pictures and videos too (which you can see similarly to google music).
i have a note with 16 built in and a 32 removable but looking at the settings right now and ignoring the 29gb i have free on the card, i have 8.76gb free combined between system and "usb" storage (don't ask me why it's labeled that).
so from total os, formatting, loads of apps (71 apps, widgets don't show), pictures (over 200), and whatever else i missed, i still have over 8gbs. i guess my point is, quit downloading porn people. lol, kidding, but i think 16 inside is fine.
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yea 16 gigs is plenty with google music and others it makes taking your music with you simple and easy

CheesyNutz said:
yea 16 gigs is plenty with google music and others it makes taking your music with you simple and easy
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Tell yourself that as you prep for your next round trip cross country flight. 32GB on a flagship 2012 product should have been a no brainer regardless of the model. Since it wasn't, you'll have to decided what music you want to dump in order to fit more movies on-board.

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Tell yourself that as you prep for your next round trip cross country flight. 32GB on a flagship 2012 product should have been a no brainer regardless of the model. Since it wasn't, you'll have to decided what music you want to dump in order to fit more movies on-board.
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Quite true, and keep in mind that NAND backups, especially when you have multiple backups for different ROMs take up quite a LOT of space. Add that to HD videos, movies, high-resolution pictures, music, GPS map files, and that 16GB starts to look pretty damn small really damn fast lol. Then you think "Oh that's fine, I'll just take this MicroSDHC car....oh my God no..." So you pause for a moment and then you might think "Hey at least I have dropbox and a massive amount of files there!" but AT&T is currently doing their best (or worst) to get rid of people that have their unlimited data plan. And even then, after 3-5GB of used bandwidth, you're still on badly throttled speeds until your next billing cycle begins.
So how far can you honestly expect to get with 16GB of memory that is not expandable? Once you eat up your 2GB or 3GB of data, you're $#%@!&, especially if you're in a place where you have no computer access to retrieve files - which would be annoying to have to do anyway. And especially if you're on LTE so the bandwidth flies that much faster. If by some chance you ARE on unlimited data, enjoy downloading and swapping out 200MB of MP3 files or a 500MB movie or a 400+MB backup from your dropbox with heavily throttled speeds. So in the end you're @$#&^* again lol.
I hate to say it, because I was waiting for this device, but the lack of a storage expansion absolutely kills this for me. Add to that the non-removable battery and it's just not worth the money. Yes, there are absolutely amazing features on this device, the screen, the S4, the camera, the unified body like my Inspire - but there are certain deal-breakers that just ruin the entire experience and unfortunately, the One XL for AT&T has two of them.

chaosjh said:
just curious but why would anyone need more than 16 gbs? i've uploaded like 17gb of music to google music and htc is giving you 25 gb from dropbox in which to upload pictures and videos too (which you can see similarly to google music).
i have a note with 16 built in and a 32 removable but looking at the settings right now and ignoring the 29gb i have free on the card, i have 8.76gb free combined between system and "usb" storage (don't ask me why it's labeled that).
so from total os, formatting, loads of apps (71 apps, widgets don't show), pictures (over 200), and whatever else i missed, i still have over 8gbs. i guess my point is, quit downloading porn people. lol, kidding, but i think 16 inside is fine.
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Man, I am sick of reading posts like this.
Google music is fine for cloud storage IF you live in the U.S. In Canada we will be stuck with the XL an one S, both only 16gb.
I'm personaly waiting until the fall to see if HTC figures out their failure, if they want iphone features like no expandable storage and a non emovable battery then offer different storage options like Apple does.
If the one S and X / XL came in 16,32 and 64gb options, they'd sell waaaaaaay more.
If HTC wants to stick with low storage than my next phone will be the galaxy s3 instead, that's too bad

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Man, I am sick of reading posts like this.
Google music is fine for cloud storage IF you live in the U.S.
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This.

chaosjh said:
just curious but why would anyone need more than 16 gbs? i've uploaded like 17gb of music to google music and htc is giving you 25 gb from dropbox in which to upload pictures and videos too (which you can see similarly to google music).
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The One X uses about 4-6gb of the 16gb of storage, so we only have 10-12gb to actually play with. After loading a few games, apps, music, pictures, tv shows and movies, I might just make it under the 10gb limit. I hated constantly having to delete apps, movies from my HTC Desire because of the lack of internal storage. I don't want to go through this again with the One X.

[Q] Memory limitations etc.

I was just short od preordering a One S here in Germany when I noticed that it had 16GB of internal storage but NO SD-Slot.
This seems to be an ugly trend in the industry. Right now I have a Sensation with a 32GB card and I rarely have more than 10GB free. So the 16GB (some say only 13 of it are usable to the user on stock firmware) will be a tight fit, even taking into account the fact that there is a 2 yr. 25GB Dropbox allotment included.
I wonder, whats the point of a really good cam on a smartphone, able to take quick succession pictures while limiting the storage in this way?
Also what do you think of the fact that the battery suddenly became a "non user serviceable part"? I like the looks of the phone, and no, the One X s not an option for me due to size... I compare them to Desire HD (One X) and my Sensation (One S) and the Sensation suits my hands better.
What do you think of this trend? Will you all happily use the Dropbox and give your data to some data center far away? Is there the option to strongly encrypt the data BEFORE sending it out?
Will there be drop-in replacements for the Dropbox implementation making use of VPN / SFTP connections to home servers / NAS devices that only you have access to or will it have to be using ugly workarounds like Flderync or AndFTP ?
Do you think there will be options later on to purchase One S models with 32GB on board? Or options to exchange the memory chip or is this going to be soldered in for good? What other options are there? Custom ROMs with USB Host mode that supply enough power to a USB dongle with an additional memory card?
This is looking all very apple-ish to me and I am not sure if I like the direction this is going or if I should hold out and see if they turn some of their awesome concepts that leaked recently into real products?
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I am concerned about the same things on this phone. I thought it was perfect until I read about the limited 16 g memory and no battery access. my phone upgrade has been available to me for over a month now and I am impatient for a new phone! but do I get this or wait even longer hoping something else comes along soon.

Crazypostalgirl said:
I am concerned about the same things on this phone. I thought it was perfect until I read about the limited 16 g memory and no battery access. my phone upgrade has been available to me for over a month now and I am impatient for a new phone! but do I get this or wait even longer hoping something else comes along soon.
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I've said this in the One XL forum as well, which like the One S only has 16gb of internal storage (9.8 user, 2.2 for apps). Only the European / international varient of the One X has 32gb. Before anyone mentions google music, that's U.S.A only, not Canada.
HTC is following Apple with non expandable storage and a non removable battery.
HTC, take this one step further and offer the same multiple storage options Apple does. If the One x/xl and One S came with 8/16/32 or, even better 16/32/64gb of storage and allowed you to pay if you wanted more, waaaaaaaaay more people would consider these phones.
Hopefully HTC either realizes this for the second one series, introduces/announces larger storage varients by summer, or in the next series brings SD cards back.
As I live in Canada and have a choice of 16gb,or 16gb! I will wait until the summer or fall to upgrade from my desire. My experience with the desire is to NOT buy a phone where you are concerned about the storage.
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On the battery, I think it would be a non-issue for most consumers. A question that helps understand this decision is "How many smartphone users buy extra batteries and swap them regularly?" There are savings to be made on device size and manufacturing materials, which ultimately can bring the cost of the device down.
However, I agree there are potential issues, e.g. defects in the battery become a bigger warranty problem if the battery can't be swapped out (difference between HTC being able to just send you a new battery and you needing to send them your phone), but good QA can mitigate this to some extent.

I have an 8GB card in my desire with 5.5GB free so for me it's not an issue. If you're concerned about security of cloud storage you might want to look at other alternatives to drop box like SOS Online Backup, Wuala or SpiderOak which use encryption and also have android apps.
I wouldn't consider a phone as secure storage for anything so if you take a lot of photos or something like that then you should have a backup routine so huge amounts of storage isn't that necessary. Of course an external sd card is much more convenient.

Obviously you do not take lots of pictures, no video, have no music on your phone, no large games, or in my case have the need to carry documents on it that you CAN'T use the cloud for. It's not that I'm concerned about the security of the cloud, when I'm at work (I am an airline Pilot) I need stuff on my internal storage as there is no data signal......period.
I use my a smartphone while at work because it has replaced many devices in my flightbag, namely phone, camera, calculator, PDA, flashlight, and a few more. I used to carry around a PSP for watching video and playing games during "down time", and an mp3 player for the gym during overnights, etc. My smartphone has replaced all of those devices.
Without enough internal storage, for me and alot of other people it is a big deal, not everyone only needs 3gb of space like you.
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Guess it is good we have choices then...if it's not right for you there's another phone to buy.
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I have been out of the phone loop for a while. What are the other new/good phones? are there other good Tmobile phones on the horizon?
I like the One S for the new android version and the camera.
I mostly use my phone for pictures. hardly any music or videos
I am currently using the HTC HD2. with running Windows I really dont have a whole lot on there as far as extra apps. I am only using around 5g of my memory so I'm not sure if the limitations of the One S are an issue for me or not.
I dont know how much space I will need if I go crazy getting apps or games on this new phone lol

As I understand it there is about 2GB reserved purely for apps and games so the 10GB or so for storage shouldn't be used.
@ jmitr please don't take it personally, I was mainly addressing the OP's concerns about security with cloud services. I understand that some people really need the extra storage but the reality is that they are a minority of the smartphone market.

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As I understand it there is about 2GB reserved purely for apps and games so the 10GB or so for storage shouldn't be used.
@ jmitr please don't take it personally, I was mainly addressing the OP's concerns about security with cloud services. I understand that some people really need the extra storage but the reality is that they are a minority of the smartphone market.
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Ah, just reraed the op, sorry for going off on you.
I'm just upset with HTC's North American decision making, I'm finally reaching the magic upgrade point and here in Canada you can't get a flagship HTC phone with more than 16gb of space (or 2gb apps, 10gb user to be precise). If I want more space, or an SD card I either have to get the low end One V with marginally better specs than my two year old desire, or a different Company. They fit an SD card one the Sprint one evo, and offered 32gb on the international version of the X only. Seriously HTC will never come close to Apples sales with limited choices like that.
Anyways, I'm sure the One line will turn HTC's fortune around enough, but they've lost me as a loyal customer since 2005 with their recent decisions.
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Are you guys at all concerned with space? My wife has a 16gb captivate and it's almost full from pictures. The one x only had 16gb internal and no external Sd card right? What do i do about her wanting to keep current pictures and have room for the future?
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Minor723 said:
Are you guys at all concerned with space? My wife has a 16gb captivate and it's almost full from pictures. The one x only had 16gb internal and no external Sd card right? What do i do about her wanting to keep current pictures and have room for the future?
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Not that concerned. My old phone was an iPhone 32GB. I used a little more than half of it only because of all the apps I had. Knowing that, it hasn't been a problem on the HTC One X. A lot of my old apps I should have deleted anyways.
For pictures, I've set Drop Box to auto upload pictures from the camera folder when on Wi-Fi. So far, it hasn't been a problem. As of this writing, I can take 5579 more pictures before the local storage is full. Hope this helps.

The one x has integrated dropbox and 25 gb of extra space for free.On my rogers one x I can set the camera to automatically upload pictures taken right to dropbox. So if its primarily pics you're concerned with it shouldn't be too bad.
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Google + integration too. I have mine set to sync automatically on wifi.

I have a 16GB iPhone and haven't come close to filling it.

Minor723 said:
Are you guys at all concerned with space? My wife has a 16gb captivate and it's almost full from pictures. The one x only had 16gb internal and no external Sd card right? What do i do about her wanting to keep current pictures and have room for the future?
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Take pics off the phone. that's like 6k++ pictures.
Beyond that, you have a 25gb Dropbox account, as well as 5gb Google drive.

No. Had a 32GB iPhone 4. Only used about 8GB in almost 2 years.

I don't watch video on my phone anymore since I have the new iPad, I mostly use my phone now for photos and music only. I only synce about 5-6 gigs of music, so dump the photos to Dropbox and a few apps and I will be happy. I am just excited about Chrome and LTE on a 4.7" screen.

Not worried either. I've had an 8GB mSD card in my EVO without an issue. Especially these days with Google Play Music streaming, Dropbox and Google Drive.

I was a little concerned about the space but with integrated drop box. I have set my pictures to upload then delete them from my device then I use doubletwist for my music and sync and change my playlists once every few days.
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16 GB will fit approx. 3,000 pictures. If you have 3,000 pictures and haven't uploaded any to the cloud, something is wrong.

I have 10 gigs of podcasts on my captivate. being a security guard means audio is a essential part of my day. don't like the thought of whittling that figure down but the one x is looking mighty fine. just wish it was 32 gigs then i wouldn't hesitate.

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16 GB will fit approx. 3,000 pictures. If you have 3,000 pictures and haven't uploaded any to the cloud, something is wrong.
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Which cloud are you talking about. Also, can the pictures be uploaded to a cloud but still browsed as if they are on your phone?

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Which cloud are you talking about. Also, can the pictures be uploaded to a cloud but still browsed as if they are on your phone?
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I don't know how tightly dropbox is integrated, but if you put them up on Picasa or in your google folders, it is pretty much seamless to browse those albums from the cloud.

What kind of speed do you need to use Google music? I have LTE at home and at school, but some places I drive through don't. It's incredibly irritating that ATT ruined an otherwise perfect phone by halving storage and removing the SD card slot.

vinuneuro said:
What kind of speed do you need to use Google music? I have LTE at home and at school, but some places I drive through don't. It's incredibly irritating that ATT ruined an otherwise perfect phone by halving storage and removing the SD card slot.
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Except that at&t had no say in the manufacturing an the design of the phone.
... delegated to a Nigerian prince. Send money.

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Except that at&t had no say in the manufacturing an the design of the phone.
... delegated to a Nigerian prince. Send money.
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The phone is capable of more. The carriers are HTC's customers of these and are the ones that spec the phones. It's not an accident that the intl version has 32gb and ATT/Rogers only has 16gb. Or that the Sprint version has a microSD slot and ATT/Rogers doesn't.

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The phone is capable of more. The carriers are HTC's customers of these and are the ones that spec the phones. It's not an accident that the intl version has 32gb and ATT/Rogers only has 16gb. Or that the Sprint version has a microSD slot and ATT/Rogers doesn't.
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The phones are spec'd, then the carriers choose which to buy. The early adopting carriers are getting the 16gb version, the first of the variants. The international xl is 16gb too. The 32gb variant (only listed in Australia so far) won't be in the market for several weeks if not months to come (partially because of the issues quallcom is having with tsmc). The bom (bill of materials) will most likely be quite different as well.
The carriers choose what they want of what's made available at the time and make orders. Then those orders are then fulfilled. Adjustments, such as branding, must be implemented before manufacturing begins. Each design change costs money, the bigger the change the bigger the bill. The Rogers one is a vanilla xl with only software customization.... the volume of their order was probably pretty small as well.
The at&t one has just the at&t branding above the screen. Sprint, on the otherhand, has probably paid htc almost double ppu (price per unit) for their variant. And their orders were put in much later than rogers & at&t. Their unit quantity order is also much higher than at&t's. They'll have a finite number available. Because the at&t & rogers units are pretty much vanilla, it makes it much easier for them to make repeat orders when needed.
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Which cloud are you talking about. Also, can the pictures be uploaded to a cloud but still browsed as if they are on your phone?
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Yes, open up the drop box acct. and than all your pics can be put there.You can access them from your phone quite easily!!

I'm not concerned about the space necessarily because of the cloud services, but I am concerned about the amount of data I'll use while uploading items to the cloud service.
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Nexus 4, your first impressions....

Here it is...
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_4_16gb
$350 unlocked....
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Seems like I'd rather get the 8GB version for $50 less and just buy an SD card, lol. Does anyone know the specifics of that processor?

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Seems like I'd rather get the 8GB version for $50 less and just buy an SD card, lol. Does anyone know the specifics of that processor?
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Well, for one it doesn't support SD (expandable memory) And it's processor is a SnapDragon s4 pro quad core 1.5ghz I believe.
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Seems like I'd rather get the 8GB version for $50 less and just buy an SD card...
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Given what I've seen looking into kernel/framework code for the SGS4G, I'd want as much internal memory as I could get. Using a FAT-formatted card and "faking" a permissions-protected file system on top of that is just an ugly hack.
Burned once by the 1G in the SGS4G, I'm already wary of T-Mobile's decision to ship the Note II with the minimum internal memory that they can be configured with.

It seems like the trend for storage is cloud now, and with unlimited plans like the new one from T-Mobile it is starting to make sense to me....especially with multiple android devices. The external SD card days may be numbered.
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Wow, a quad-core processor already? This may just be the next phone I purchase. @Jeff, do you really think you'd use up all of that 8GB for ROM & apps? That question sounds sarcastic and rhetorical, but i'm genuinely curious, especially since you know much more of how Android works than I do.

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Wow, a quad-core processor already? This may just be the next phone I purchase. @Jeff, do you really think you'd use up all of that 8GB for ROM & apps? That question sounds sarcastic and rhetorical, but i'm genuinely curious, especially since you know much more of how Android works than I do.
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Its not so much about how much you use but the partitions. But being as it is a nexus device it has to follow the open source guidelines so that should never be a issue. matter of fact I dont think any phone that is not a Samsung uses a proprietary partition system like bml and such.

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@Jeff, do you really think you'd use up all of that 8GB for ROM & apps?
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If it is a $50 difference over a two-year lifespan of the phone, that is something like $2 a month. For that, I'd rather not have to hope that app/data size wouldn't grow quickly. For example, I bought some motherboards for lightly loaded servers a couple years ago. I though that 1 GB would be plenty of memory for them. Now I'm cursing that I can't expand them over 2 GB as they only have one DIMM slot.
I don't know where things are going, but I am sure that the phone manufacturers would love to be able to get you to buy a new phone sooner rather than later. A related example is that Intel had a big problem in the mid 90s -- they realized that their processor power was getting to the point where any home user would not need to upgrade. So they invested heavily in digital TV, cable, and broadband so that there was demand for faster processors.

I think I might be able to get this
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Check the video at the end of this post...pretty cool.
http://m.engadget.com/2012/10/29/android-photo-sphere-panorama-google/
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Swipe, toggles, aosp feeling.. damn i love google..
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Mmm, this will be my next phone .
I'm definitely getting this for Christmas.
I mean seriously, 2 GB of RAM! Plus a Quad core! That beats my old laptop! Which has 2 GB and 1.7 GHz processor (just one ).
I'm definitely getting the 16 GB, but I would really enjoy it if they added external storage :\

"Does TV Out work?"

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"Does TV Out work?"
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What about wifi calling?

Would've been perfect but the lack of a microSD card slot and the lack of a 32gb model killed it for me. 16gb just simply isn't enough to hold my music collection as well as my pictures and videos and if you're an audiophile like me, then you know that music just streaming off the cloud won't cut it compared to music at 320kbps or lossless stored on the device itself. I wanna be able to listen to music while I'm on a roadtrip or on a plane, so if I have to rely on cloud service, I won't have most of my music with me... Unless they make a 32gb model, looks like I'm taking the iPhone 5 route...it was either a nexus android phone (I just cannot take the lack of updates anymore) or a iPhone and well the nexus was this close but they just had to have one downfall...you would think that they would have figured it out by now but no...
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if you're an audiophile like me
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No.
You are using a mobile device not a high end audio system at home.
Pictures would be better backed up to the cloud using something like Picassa or dropbox. That way they can be viewed anywhere.
I dont like the idea of being limited to a certain size of internal memory and no sdcard. But only because if the internal memory goes wonkers it costs more to replace than buying a new sdcard. Not because I want to claim to be a audiophile and need 320kbps files on my phone.

Okay yeah, this is a mobile device but why not make the most out of what you have? Why listen to crappy really compressed mp3's when you can store things at 320kbps where compression is minimal. With a good pair of headphones, I can hear the difference. It doesn't take a super high end system. I wanna be able to enjoy my music on the go, there's nothing wrong with that..even on YouTube you can tell the difference in sq between 720p and anything below it.
But what's the point in argueing about that on a phone forum, we both agree that we would rather not be confined to only 16gb of internal storage.. I don't understand why can't they simply include it. Every year, that's what people ask for and yet every year, they have to have some downfall.
Nexus S: No external storage and no HD Video Recording
Galaxy Nexus: No external storage again, sub par camera in comparison to other phones, and a pentile display.
Nexus 4: No external storage ONCE AGAIN.
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The biggest reason..cost. They dont care if you are willing to pay for it. They are looking to make a unlocked unrestricted phone. Its kinda like not putting LTE radios in. They are looking to make a good phone that is cheap enough people can buy it and not spend 600 bucks. They have found 350 is the price most people will pay for a unlocked phone and not be upset.
16GB is the point they can produce a phone and still make money at the 350 price point.

I think it's just part of the push towards cloud storage. The slight reduction in audio quality in return for the convenience of having their complete audio and video library on all of their devices is a trade I think the majority (not all ) of consumers have no problem with. Besides, with the trend of wider bandwidth for less money that has been with us since dial-up, I don't think it will be such a long time before the streaming quality improves further....historically that's what it's always done.
If audio is your prime concern then I would be more concerned with the type of DAC's in the phone as ultimately that will give you your real world "ceiling" on your audio quality.
I think Google had done fantastic job of providing the consumer with a feature packed, unlocked phone at a hell of a price. Much like with the N7 this will force down the prices of other manufacturers products in order to compete...a win for the consumer.
For anyone that thinks this phone isn't a great deal, Google "unlocked GS3 or iPhone 5" and get back to me.
Plus Whitehawkx, Romann, and the other aokp guys have been lighting up Twitter with tweets about how eager they are to get one, so the development should be strong right off the bat.
Just my 2 cents lol
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But think about it, it takes a lot more battery to steam music and continually use data in the background than it does to simply play music on your phone's memory. And what are you supposed to do when say you are on a roadtrip where signal is edge at best or when you are in a subway or plane where you don't have any signal at all? When I have a smart phone, it is my all-in-one device. It holds my music, works as my GPS, and acts as my phone. And what about apps? The whole point of the smartphone is to have apps right? Where are you gonna store your apps and games if they continue to go the cloud route and completely remove internal storage? Imagine using this galaxy s 4g without the 16gb micro sd card. In my opinion, that would be horrible. I don't wanna have to carry around an extra mp3 player around with me just to be able to fit less than half of my music collection. I don't think adding a micro SD card slot would have added that much to the costs. Whatever. I personally have no problem at all with signing a phone on contract because really, I am just saving money on the phone and paying as much as I would on a prepaid non-contract plan. I don't really see what is so bad with that. It would be more of a hassle switching constantly to different service providers than it would be to just stay with one.
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Google Android Chief: Why don’t Nexus devices have SD cards?

In short, SD card is too complicated. What?!
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Matias Duarte said:
Why don’t Nexus devices have SD cards?
Everybody likes the idea of having an SD card, but in reality it's just confusing for users.
If you’re saving photos, videos or music, where does it go? Is it on your phone? Or on your card? Should there be a setting? Prompt everytime? What happens to the experience when you swap out the card? It’s just too complicated.
We take a different approach. Your Nexus has a fixed amount of space and your apps just seamlessly use it for you without you ever having to worry about files or volumes or any of that techy nonsense left over from the paleolithic era of computing.
With a Nexus you know exactly how much storage you get upfront and you can decide what’s the right size for you. That’s simple and good for users.
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When galaxy nexus was launched, It was the perfect phone for me .after I discovered that it has no external SD ,it is not my concern anymore
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lost_ said:
In short, SD card is too complicated. What?!
https://plus.google.com/114892667463719782631/posts/JAAMUzx1PFX
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The vast majority of people are not tech savvy so simple is better for Google and they will sell more. Same reasoning for the phone hybrid ui on the tablets.
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Happy to accept what google are saying, but if you wont offer the option of an SD card you probably need to up the max capacity from 16, to 32 and possible 64. Thats if you want the best product going anyway

I used to believe external SD card support is a must have. But in reality, I never needed it. And having everything in the ROM = Faster access.
TBH, I have yet to reach even 8GB let alone 16gb in my GNex.

16 gb are way to low for me. i am using my device as a mp3 player and i now have about 20 gb of music on my sd card. i seriously cant follow the arguments against an sd card slot

20gb of music? Wow...
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Hotte175 said:
16 gb are way to low for me. i am using my device as a mp3 player and i now have about 20 gb of music on my sd card. i seriously cant follow the arguments against an sd card slot
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You really need access to 20GB of music all the time? Why not use Google music to stream most of it and just keep your most listen songs on your device
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lol that's some insultingly poor marketing bs. Even Apple wouldn't make such a crappy argument to justify the removal of a very crucial and popular feature from one of their flagship devices.
If you backtrack and stop supporting something that people used to take for granted with your product, you better have a damn good reason.
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You really need access to 20GB of music all the time? Why not use Google music to stream most of it and just keep your most listen songs on your device
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Seriously?
1) capped, expensive data plans.
2) 3G/wifi are not a given for many users and usecases.
3) take longer to play a song that you already have a local copy of (why?)
4) Google Music does not have a public API and the official app sucks.
And for the record I definitely "need" at least 20 GB worth of music at any given time

It sounds like a statement Apple would issue. My old "dumb" phone had a setting for whether to save camera pics and videos on internal memory or external microSD. Is is really that hard Google, or would you rather take the Apple approach.
Here are my reasons why phones should have SD slots:
-You can get tons of cloud storage for free, but using that storage will cost a lot if you don't have unlimited data. It will also be slower to access than locally stored files.
-Programs, especially games are getting bigger. Its not uncommon to have a single game want a GB of space for its files these days. They will only continue getting bigger and that phone you just bought is stuck with the same amount of memory. It may be enough space now, but what about in a year?
-The price to buy a device with larger internal storage costs much more in $ per GB than a microSD would. Its $50 more to go from the 8GB Nexus 4 to the 16GB. Meanwhile I've seen 64gb microSDXC cards go on sale for $50.
-The memory is not stuck in one device. If I invest in a 64gb card I can take it to my next phone without paying more.
-Its very cheap for an OEM to add a microSD slot, were not asking for a lot of hardware.

Hotte175 said:
16 gb are way to low for me. i am using my device as a mp3 player and i now have about 20 gb of music on my sd card. i seriously cant follow the arguments against an sd card slot
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Dude 20GB is a LOT of music. It's probably a few days 72 hours worth of music. Don't keep it on your phone, keep about 14 hours, that's the plane ride from USA to China (halfway across the world). I can't even begin to justify the need of so much music.
I only have maybe 4 hours or so of music, that's enough for me. I don't care if a few songs repeat, it's like the radio.
EDIT assuming each 10MB file is 3 mins long, then you actually have 100 hours of music.
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When the argument becomes about how much space a consumer really needs, then the answer is obvious: let the consumer decides.
But if you are willing to concede and let the maker make the choice on storage capacity, at a time when storage has become so dirt cheap, then a good option is to buy a product whose name begins with i.

That is one weak argument from google.
Why not make the nexus 8 or 16gb as it is AND keep sd card support?

dxppxd said:
That is one weak argument from google.
Why not make the nexus 8 or 16gb as it is AND keep sd card support?
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They had reasons about being secure and faster data transfer before too, but those were also pretty weak arguments.
I would like SD cards, but that's the tradeoff for owning a Nexus, I guess.
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Yeah it's too complicated. 16GB internal storage is perfect for me.

Nexus one.
Removable battery
Sd slot.
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amandez said:
Nexus one.
Removable battery
Sd slot.
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Nexii had a removable battery until the Nexus 7, that is relatively new.
And the N1 had an internal storage of what? 300mb? If it didn't have microSD it would be one messed up phone
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Your Nexus has a fixed amount of space and your apps just seamlessly use it for you without you ever having to worry about files or volumes or any of that techy nonsense left over from the paleolithic era of computing.
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Frankly, that's almost insulting to assume that we are that stupid. i chose Android over iOS why? Because I am not stupid, I do not want to be spoon-fed technology like a drooling infant. I chose android because I have a choice- I can choose what to do with my device, how I do it, everything like that. I can choose the software I want to install--and I can chose where I get that software from. I can even choose the operating system, or write one myself, if I want. That's what makes Android such a great platform. Choice, scaleability.
To just write that off as "too complicated" is absolutely...dumb. And makes me question just what the future of the android platform will be.

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Dude 20GB is a LOT of music. It's probably a few days 72 hours worth of music. Don't keep it on your phone, keep about 14 hours, that's the plane ride from USA to China (halfway across the world). I can't even begin to justify the need of so much music.
I only have maybe 4 hours or so of music, that's enough for me. I don't care if a few songs repeat, it's like the radio.
EDIT assuming each 10MB file is 3 mins long, then you actually have 100 hours of music.
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maybe it is a bit offtopic but imo 20gb of music is not much. i still use a mp3player (much better than using the smartphone) and there i got 8gb & 32gb (sd card).i really like to have discographies on the go of my favourite bands.
also: not everyone is using .mp3 - people also use .flac which takes a lot of space.
regarding the topic: sounds a bit stupid to me. probably the production is just cheaper this way and it makes it more difficult to put custom roms on it.

I think the google android chief is brilliant, that philosophy should be applied everywhere:
-4 doors in the car? Too confusing for the user, seal 3 doors, that way we always know how to get in and out.
-6 windows in the house? Make it just one, so we don't look out through the wrong one.
-who needs cable tv? Block all channels but one, so we don't get confused as to what's on tv.
-you have 2 kids? Send the other one to google, keep just the 1. That way you'll always know who failed their math test, or who fed the hamster to the cat.
It's a marketing strategy to get more $$$. That way they can sell very expensive gb of internal space.